Fight Preview: Floyd Mayweather Jr. v. Juan Manuel Marquez
I had planned to do a big preview post last night, but then the weigh-in issue took precedence and sort of made picking the fight a whole new bag.
The weight is a big deal now. It's not the weight itself, it's the dishonesty going on. This fight feels like a put-on now, because I doubt Mayweather caught everyone off-guard when he made it clear he wasn't making 144. I wouldn't doubt that most of the guys in charge of this fight knew all along he wasn't going to make 144. I'm not a conspiracy guy, especially with boxing, because too many people think every fight has a conspiracy involved. And I'm not an idealist, either. And I don't expect my fighters to be all nobility and honor, because this isn't Gladiator, it's real life.
But I'd prefer not feeling as a fight fan that a bunch of fighters and promoters pulled the wool over my eyes, and for that reason, I am openly rooting for Juan Manuel Marquez tonight. I'm not saying I'm Mr. Professional, but I rarely openly root for guys to win fights on this site. Mostly I just want to see good fights, watch the greatest sport in the world continue to unfold, and see the special things that only boxing brings.
And a Marquez win tonight would be truly special, especially now.
I'm not 100% convinced that Mayweather is significantly faster than Marquez. When's the last time we saw Floyd against a guy with really good speed? It was Zab Judah. Since then, it's been lumbering Carlos Baldomir, Oscar de la Hoya at 154, and a 147-pound Ricky Hatton who wanted mostly to push Floyd around, which was a good strategy for Hatton, but in the end it didn't work.
Marquez is faster than those three guys, though he's not quite Judah (I may find Zab to be one of the most annoying guys in boxing, but the guy can throw those hands and is still one of the fastest guys in the game). I also don't know how Marquez is going to fight Floyd. They've mentioned Jose Luis Castillo's gameplan, but JMM also has said he has to adapt that to what he can do.
I think that's as good a chance as he's got now. I'll repeat what I said yesterday in the Classic Round-by-Round I did:
Can Marquez lean on Mayweather and attack his body like Castillo did? No. Not a chance in hell that'll work for him. Marquez won't be nine pounds bigger than Floyd, as Castillo was in this fight. This fight had Mayweather going 130 to 135, and tomorrow night, Marquez will go from 135 up to 144.
But are there psychological tips to study here? Yes, and Oscar de la Hoya's fight with Mayweather had a lot of the same stuff. If you make Floyd question himself, he's beatable. Nobody in the entire history of boxing has been unbeatable, and Floyd can hype his status as undefeated as much as he wants, but he's had his scares. Castillo got in Floyd's head from the get-go in this fight. Yes, Floyd clearly won the first two rounds, and a lot of people think he dominated the first half of the fight. But you could see his gears working in there, as Castillo came out and didn't attack. Team Mayweather expected a guy that was going to come full throttle, try to make it a barroom brawl. They could have countered and outboxed that guy all night.
Instead, for as rough as Castillo wanted it to be inside, he boxed in this fight. He moved Floyd around, trapped him constantly, and made good use of his power advantage when he had a chance to throw some big shots. He didn't headhunt; the vast majority of his good work went to the body.
Mayweather's public persona is brash, arrogant, cocky, and all that, but a lot of armchair psychologists will tell you that that comes from insecurity, and I think Floyd in a lot of ways is obviously insecure. As a fighter, he's generally confident, because he's the best guy in the ring, clearly, almost every time he's ever been in one. Castillo and Oscar tested him, and most of that came from getting Floyd to question his ability.
Now, the elephant in the room of this psychobabble nonsense is the fact that Floyd was lighter than Castillo on fight night and was clearly smaller than Oscar at junior middleweight. He won't have that problem against Marquez.
But however he has to adapt it to fit what he can do, Marquez hopefully looked at the things Castillo and Oscar did to mentally bother Floyd as much as physically bother him.
That's what he has to do, however he does it. Floyd is confident when things are going well. Watch the way he batters Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti, and you might see that being what happens to Marquez. But I see Marquez as someone who brings more to the table than Corrales and Gatti did as a fighter, someone that has the ability, no matter the size, to make Floyd think. When Floyd isn't just reacting and working his routines, he has to think, and he gets a little more hesitant then. He doesn't handle combination punching as well then. He doesn't move as fluidly then. A lot of things change just enough to bring him down from Superman-level fighter to Batman-level fighter. In other words, he's still great, but he becomes very human.
Picture that pad routine he runs with Roger. It's reflex and memory for him at this point. It looks wonderfully impressive and is a great training routine, but it's a routine. He knows what he's doing. If he did that routine with a new trainer that smacked him in the side of the head in the middle of it, it'd look different.
Floyd is an amazing talent to watch, but he's a comfort zone guy. Marquez, on the other hand, is a fighter that excels when the pressure is on him, figuratively and literally. Shane Mosley is much the same, Marco Antonio Barrera was the same.
Mayweather is a genius defensive fighter, and that in turn makes him an excellent counter-puncher, one without peer. But if Marquez can take him out of that comfort zone, like Castillo did, like Oscar did for half a fight, like Ricky Hatton did for a few rounds, he can get something done.
Will he? Maybe. My heart says he can do this, my head does not agree. My head keeps yelling down at my heart to stop being a dummy, in fact. I'm going with a Floyd Mayweather unanimous decision win.
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Another prediction
If and when Mayweather wins, he will retire for the fourth straight fight. Lost in his post-Hatton, pre-aborted rematch with Oscar “retirement,” don’t forget that he retired after he beat Baldomir, then Oscar “lured him back,” then he retired after that and Hatton “lured him back.” This time, Marquez “lured him back.” As soon as someone that isn’t a major challenge (or is a past-prime, very beatable, No. 1 money man in the sport-type) calls him out again, he’ll be “back.”
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
brilliantly put SC
He won’t want any of Pac or Cotto. He’s shown his true colors and clearly only wants the dice loaded in his favor.
I still have to go with heart over head and say KO6
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
or rather
head over heart, Mayweather KO6
We're all given some sort of skill in life. Mine just happens to be beating up on people. (Sugar Ray Leonard)
The fact that the contract was finalized today makes me think that Marquez's camp knew about everything
It’s been a welterweight fight all along. So they get some extra money outta it. Don’t act like JMM has nothing to lose if he loses tonight. He has a lot to lose. With that being said, I think they would have asked for much more than just money. The 2 pounds won’t matter for Floyd Joy anyways. Me personally, I would rather had him down to 144 or 142 but that’s just me.
I just think he works better the lighter he is
Marquez’s contract was filed. Mayweather’s was not.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going with Mayweather KO 7. I didn’t “hate” this fight for Marquez even two days ago, but I hate it now. The image of Marquez being banged around in the early going by Juan Diaz just won’t leave my brain. It was that fight that just convinced me I knew what his max weight was and that he was fighting over it. I guess my reasoning isn’t very unusual: too old, too worn, too small (and at the same time, too big).
It’s going to be strange watching Floyd brag about this one. Scott put it well: it’s not that it necessarily feels “fixed”, but it sure as hell feels engineered for a highlight reel knockout of a great, but mismatched and cherrypicked, fighter.
Also think:
John UD leaving no doubt this time
Escebedo KO 5 in a small war
Cruz KO 9
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
ah, other picks
John UD
Katsidis KO8
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
FM UD
I don’t think I’ve ever rooted against an American as much as I will be tonight.
Viva Mexico! Viva Marquez!
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
HOPE
I simply dont want to look if Marquez is banged like a dummy; rather, I hope that he will adjust himself in the first rounds to complicate Floyd “Pounds” Mayweather power.
I think if it goes the distance than Mayweather better retire… It is in the eyes of many a loss if he can’t put him down for the count.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Rocky TKO 10
Escobedo TKO 10
Money May TKO 10
night of the tenth round folks
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Sep 19, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Marquez's best hope is to confuse Floyd
When is the last time Floyd has fought somebody even less aggressive than him? Marquez should come out and just RUN. Piss Floyd off. Get him off his game. Backpedal entire rounds at a time. Just make Floyd look like a fool by not coming forward and giving him what he wants. JMM almost beat Manny when he was coming at him and Manny is a much better offensive fighter than Floyd is… So what happens when Floyd is the one moving at a masterful counterpuncher?
Quite possibly the same thing, but its certainly something we’ve never seen
Gimme 1 round!
When is the last time Floyd has fought somebody even less aggressive than him?
Castillo did this in the first fight. He moved at him, but he didn’t open up. Mayweather won those first two rounds, but he was confused as hell and it messed him up in the middle rounds, and he never quite got to the level he’s usually at.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 19, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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