Mayweather overwhelmingly routs Marquez over 12 rounds in Vegas
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 12:51 AM EDT
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. returned to the professional rings with a dominant, completely one-sided performance over a clearly smaller, slower, and overmatched Juan Manuel Marquez, winning an easy unanimous decision to improve to 40-0 (25) in his career.
It was the fight the naysayers feared. Mayweather won on scores of 120-107, 119-108 and 118-109, and Bad Left Hook saw it even wider, at 120-105. Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KO) was knocked down hard on a left hook in the second round, and I scored two other rounds 10-8 as well. The fight was nothing like a competitive event, really, with Mayweather winning basically every moment of the fight.
Final CompuBox punch stats were just absurd:
Mayweather: 290/493, 59%
Marquez: 69/583, 12%
Marquez was never in this fight, overwhelmed physically from the start. He was unable to do anything offensively, his defense was broken apart, and he ate good, clean shot after good, clean shot. We'll have more tomorrow, but little more about this fight, but rather what could be next for both. It's exactly what it was, a complete rout. There's nothing more to analyze. Floyd Mayweather absolutely destroyed Juan Manuel Marquez.
After the bout, Shane Mosley was in the ring and confronted Mayweather for a future fight. It seems like a probable ploy, and I'd actually expect Mayweather-Mosley is next. Good post-fight commercial.
On the undercard
Chris John defeated Rocky Juarez in their WBA featherweight title rematch, winning on scores of 117-111, 119-109 and 114-113. Bad Left Hook had it 117-111 for John. John again tired late in the bout, as he did against Juarez in February, and the drama got high in the final two rounds, especially in the 12th round when John was badly shaken on a short left hook. John survived the round and the fight.
Michael Katsidis dominated Vicente Escobedo with pressure and power punching, but the official scores were closer than Bad Left Hook's 119-109 Katsidis card. Escobedo won Mike Fitzgerald's card 116-112, but the other two went to Katsidis, 115-113 and 118-110. Katsidis is now the mandatory challenger to Juan Manuel Marquez's WBO lightweight title. I don't think Escobedo was bad, really, and certainly not as bad as my score may indicate. But he just plain lost the rounds.
In the PPV opener, Cornelius Lock dropped Orlando Cruz in the first round and knocked him out in the fourth in an entertaining, back-and-forth fight where Cruz really was the more accurate man by far, but Lock simply landed the much harder shots.
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Greatest fighter right now. Top ten of all-time. Without question. Hell, I’d put him in my top five but only because I’ve seen him a lot more than other fighters.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
UM….NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Think before you post…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Differing opinions, dude. Argue, debate, but don’t just dimiss stuff.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Top 10 of all time… NO.
Some things aren’t worthy of a reasonable and educated reply because they are so off the wall.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
There is really to respond to comment like that... but I will try
Think about this… was that said before this fight? No.
He fought a guy who was 126 pounds the majority of his career, and only had 2 fights at 135, and went up to welterweight. He had all the advantages going his way and even then… he wasn’t good enough to make weight vs the smaller man.
If you can’t conceptualize that, then things can be dismissed as uneducated dribble.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Is there even a debate to be had?
Lets face it we all got fucked.
The fight was supposed to be at 144 so both fighters would be giving something up to make the catchweight.
Mayweather fucked Marquez over by lying about the weight he was coming in.
Mayweather was walking around that ring basically having given nothing up while Marquez was 7 pounds heavier than he has been in his entire career.
What Marquez gave up was hand speed. His hand speed was absolutely atrocious. I mean so bad it was nearly unwatchable. Even when he landed a punch there was literally no power in it.
How they let him fight without noticing how atrocious his hand speed was is really beyond me. I’m surprised they didn’t think he was going to get mauled. To make matters worse he didn’t even fight the fight he usually fighters he switched up things completely.
Taking everything into consideration this is why people say boxing is dead.
Boxing isn’t dead but after watching this fight I wonder how it is surviving.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, there’s a debate. Give reasons. It’s a forum for discussion is all. I’m not being mean to anyone. I think you’re all great members of the BLH community.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Some things aren’t debatable…
Of the top of my head and in no order…
Robinson, Ali,Louis, Duran, Armstrong,Pep, Johnson, Leonard, Dempsey, Marciano,
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
They are debatable. One guy says one thing. You say another. It may be a one-sided debate, but it’s a debate. Like how Mayweather-Marquez was a fight.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
handpicking opponents is nothing new
floyd did what he was supposed to do and he did it in dominating fashion. i bet the ppv numbers were good so this is not a sign of boxing being dead. think of it as a glorified tune up fight to set up bigger things. if he does fight shane i think its the best fight that can be made at these weights. if he fights manny its the BIGGEST. either way floyd is back and at the center of the boxing universe like he likes it
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess you could say that but this fight is just a complete sham.
Floyd is a good fighter and even though people accuse him of “picking” fights(which I do kind of agree with) he has still fought some great fighters.
The problem with this fight tonight is it was stacked against Marquez worse than any fight I think I’ve ever seen.
The Marquez that fought tonight just couldn’t get off he was ripe for the picking. The amount his speed was effected was just atrocious I mean he just couldn’t hit no matter what he tried.
The Marquez that fought Mayweather tonight would get ripped apart by practically anybody at welterweight. Claiming this as some big victory really shows we need more focus on simple biomechanics in school.
Physics don’t lie.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s no welterweight. He just isn’t. I thought he’d be stronger than that, but he had no zip on even the big shots he DID land.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest if you drop in handspeed that much the amount of strenght you gain from going up a few pounds is irrelative.
In boxing speed kills. Take away speed and it is all irrelative against a guy that does have it.
Marquez was just too slow it’s just impossible seeing him landing a punch that would hurt with him screwing his body up by packing the pounds on.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Jermain Taylor is much faster than Kelly Pavlik. If Pavlik didn’t have power he never beats Taylor, probably.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
speed kills power
in a fight lik roy jones vs john ruiz. but lik sc said speed doesnt always beat power. floyd woulda been quicker at whatever weight really.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Floyd was faster than Marquez if you compare the two at 130 and 135, too, so yeah.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is faster but the point is the discrepancy in between the two in handspeed was exacerbated by the shift in weight.
When you get to lighter weight classes handspeed becomes more important as these fighters are smaller so they rely less on mass/speed than velocity.
Velocity is generally considered a greater trait almost always for a lighter fighter considering it may not give you a KO on its own but it will let you land more points.
Taking away velocity from a lighter fighter is the worst thing you can do as they cant get off with fast punches and they also cant land anything with power in it(strenght on its own is useless, otherwise Mariusz Pudzianowski and his power lifting buddies would be world champions).
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No one’s talking about “muscle-man strong,” otherwise a more realistic example like Jeff Lacy would’ve been a lot better than he was.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
i think the fight plays out the same way in any weight class. Floyd 1. doesn’t get hit and 2. won’t take enough risks to get into trouble. He fights his fight, at times painstakingly. But that discpline is what makes him as great as he is.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
but PLENTY of fighters couldnt hit floyd
oscar couldnt and floyd went UP to oscars weight. but jim made a good point during the fight. plenty of times great fighters take on smaller guys moving up. the examples he used were roy vs paz and oscar vs gatti. the difference is the smaller guy floyd fought was a LINEAL champ and recognized as a GREAT all around fighter and a top 3 p4p guy, not some one dimensional puncher or brawler. he is a HALL OF FAMER.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct but you are talking in relative terms. Yes Oscar had problems landing on Floyd but that was a shot Oscar that was past his prime and even then he took it to a very tightly contested split decision. It was even more telling when Floyd ducked out of the rematch.
Styles make match ups and different fighters react differently to moving up and down in weight class. Many consider RJJ to be one of the greatest fighters of all time. I personally rate him very highly yet I think if he hadn’t been screwing around with different weightclasses he would have never ended up the way he did.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
the rematch was unnecessary
nothing would have changed and if anything floyd would have won easier.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It was even more telling when Floyd ducked out of the rematch.
Eh, I still think Floyd did this because the fight was met with REALLY lukewarm reception by the fans and the media. No one wanted it at all.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is only motivated by money and that rematch with DLH would have at least done the numbers Marquez did and probably a hell of a lot more.
Hell you could sell quite a few PPV’s off DLH’s name alone when you put him in there with a big fighter.
I think DLH vs Mayweather 2 would sell enough to make them both enough money.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It was not a desired fight at all. They had the press stuff all set up and then Floyd “retired.” If he was only motivated by money and the fight would’ve made lots of it, he would’ve fought.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn you guys must be hardcore Floyd fans to buy into the he doesn’t care about money bs.
I was watching 24/7 and he sure did seem to enjoy the money you know showing off about how great his mansion is and how many cars he has and then the money shuffling thing.. oh and the fact that hes called “Money”.
Last thing I heard his next spending expenditure will be his grand move to England.
Damn with living costs in this country if he plans to live Lavish like he is in the US hell need to throw down 60-80 million dollars just for a new palace(in London those are rich people properties, we dont really do mansions we dont have that much space).
I think the man loves every penny he gets and he wants to make more and more money. In fact I think no matter how much money he makes he will find a way to tear through it.
A lot of athletes are the same way and Floyd seems to be one of the worse. Shit lets not forget he wrestled Big Show for 25 million while he was turning good fighters down.
In fact he turned Cotto down because he said there wasn’t enough money involved I believe.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say he doesn’t care about money. Obviously he does. And he’s sure as hell motivated it by now with the IRS stuff and what have you. But if he ONLY cares about money, he would’ve fought Oscar a second time and made a bunch of it.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who wouldnt love millions
but i dont think he boxes JUST for the money. boxing is a horrible profession, youre constantly gettin hit in the head. you gotta LOVE it to do it for as long as floyd has.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
except that mayweather doesn’t get hit in the head :)
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
boxing is a horrible profession, youre constantly gettin hit in the head.
Well, not if you’re Floyd. ;)
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
lol i know
but what i mean is, if you look at boxing as you would any other job. can you think of a performance based job as physically taxing as boxing. you give so much physically. itd be hard to do it JUST for the money
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he is HIGHLY motivated by money.
I mean I don’t think you guys will try and convince me that Floyd vs Cotto wasn’t a fight in demand yet he didn’t take it.
Now if he is only interested in pleasing box fans and money is irrelevant to any real degree for him wheres our Cotto vs Floyd match up?
Again like I said money matters to him more than pleasing fans. If he was trying to please boxing fans that fight is long overdue and his reasoning for not making it was money.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
playing devil’s advocate here: but when money may decided to officially comeback from his pseudo-retirement both pacman and cotto were already locked up in fights.
agree with you btw that money may does love his money, but i do also believe that mayweather generally loves the sport of boxing. the man loves working out, and he loves having highlight reels of his defensive genius on his shelf somewhere. but money is indeed a major factor in choosing who he fights
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont buy the floyd motivated by money thing. Dude has been a student of the sport since he was a todler, and grew up in boxing.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
thank you
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
question
So what happened postfight with Max, Mosley, and Money Mayweather?
After the weigh-in fiasco, I went with the UFC instead.
Thanks in advance for answers.
Apparently they got into a scuffle but I don’t know much other than that I switched over to the UFC too(and it was too late as the damn show had basically come to an end.. grrr).
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Mosley confronted Mayweather about a fight, Max egged it on, and then when Mayweather got kinda pissed, Max cut it off. It was kinda weird, and I thought an obvious thing to set up a fight, but it was probably effective.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
max got scared
he should have let each of them say what they had to say. b hop wasnt helping tho lol
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
B-Hop is hilarious in these situations. He’s like Raymond in White Men Can’t Jump in the crowd at the big 2-on-2 tournament trying to get guys to fight.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
big ass bully
“shane get in there and stir shit up” lol b hop sees dollar signs. instigatin with the lil guys
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Sep 20, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
On the coverage i was watching you got to see after the post fight interview and B-hop was talking to Folyd snr going on about Shane calling him out then as Floyd snr went to walk off he said “and he can make weight” haha
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
When Max asked Floyed about Mosley as Shane was coming over. Mayweather said “i aint sacred of him or no man” (or something) then apparently Shane said you are scared. B-hop was putting in his bit over Shane’s shoulder and they got seperated. Floyd then went on to said “respect me as a man even if you dont as a fighter”.
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
I don’t care what Pacquiao has done in the last year, Floyd is the best fighter in the world, and I’m not even a fan. That was utter domination.
Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it.
-George Foreman
how can you tell
how can you tell if he’s the best fighter in the world, he’s never fought anyone in his weight class except carlos baldomir and zab judah
This.
Why the hell is everyone going nuts over PBF beating a blown-up featherweight. He beat a great but smaller fighter and didn’t even bother to cut a few pounds to make the weight that was originally agreed upon. All odds were stacked against Marquez on this one.
Mayweather may be a brilliant fighter and all, but he needs to grow a pair and start taking fights that actually mean something.
+1
That’s why a fight with Pacquiao or Mosley is what we need. He and Mosley have the aggression and the balls enough to come forward with more successfulness . Hatton comes in, but doesn’t have the necessary boxing intelligence to go up against a fighter like Floyd,but both Mosley and Pacquiao do.
Mosley gets picked apart by Floyd in a boring UD. Mosley’s not aggressive. I mean, I’ll watch it, and it’ll probably be more exciting than this joke was.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
If you think Mosley isn’t an aggressive fighter, than who is?
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Pac, Margarito, James Kirkland, Alfredo Angulo,
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
Mikkel Kessler, Kelly Pavlik. Mosley counters in a retaliatory fashion, in a bigger manner than Floyd, but not a more effective way for pure point scoring. I want to see Floyd get his ass kicked, or at least lose. I don’t think Mosley does either of those
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
I think he has a good point, actually. Mosley struggles against guys that make him work first a lot of the time, and is best not as a counter-puncher so much as he is best as a guy throwing BACK and working with someone else’s aggressiveness. Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest both worked Mosley perfectly, and Floyd is better than both of them.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly. eryone else has to move up in weight and beat a bigger man to even be considered a top p4p fighter. not taking away from floyds masterful performance tonight, but eryone else needs to beat a bigger man, floyd has hardly beat anyone his own size,
by ianflo on Sep 20, 2009 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Floyd beat Oscar and clearly didn’t belong at 154, and he’s moved up plenty in his career. That’s not how P4P works, either. It’s just best fighters regardless at weight, not how many times they move up in weight and win.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get your P4P.
“best fighters regardless of weight” – so if Pac fought Chris Arreola, Pac would win? Explain this. My interpretation is that it’s the best fighter, technically, emotionally, mentally, tactically, if everyone weighed the same. Maybe it’s just semantics but I never know what you mean when you say “regardless of weight”.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
"best fighters regardless of weight" – so if Pac fought Chris Arreola, Pac would win?
REALLY? You’ve been here for how long and your first thought here is that I’m actually the stupidest person you’ve ever seen say anything ever?
My interpretation is that it’s the best fighter, technically, emotionally, mentally, tactically, if everyone weighed the same.
That’s what I’m saying. The exact opposite of the first thing you said. That even though head-to-head Arreola beats Pacquiao, he is not a better P4P fighter. No matter what division it is, No. 1 P4P fighter is the best fighter. It’s not about running around different weight divisions, which a lot of people seem to think it means. It has nothing to do with how many weight divisions you can fight effectively in, it’s just how good you are, no matter what your weight class.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think I've seen you...
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
So click on my profile. There I am. I have a hat!
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s your team? Just curious. I’m sure it’s butt ugly to a whole lot of people, but the mighty M is my No. 2 sports passion.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
banned
Nah. But I don’t like your football team. Though I gave a begrudging “goddamn right” when Tressel stuck up for Michigan’s “too much practice” nonsense. Maybe you guys SHOULD practice more so that maybe you can beat OSU one of these years.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
ok well that’s gotta be stated instead of ‘regardless of weight’. Maybe ‘independent of weight as a factor’.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
I didn’t think it was so hard to figure out.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I’ve read you try to explain it several times. This guy above is about the 20th time I’ve seen your explanation and been confused by it. For a not too confusing thing, many people seem confused by it, or your explanation of it.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
well OK
I hope that clears it up then.
Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was pretty obvious and I don’t think I’m that smart…
by Drunken cutman on Sep 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So what happens if cotto beats manny?
by AllDayBoxing on Sep 20, 2009 1:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mayweather landed 221 more punches than Marquez yet threw 90 fewer. He landed at a 47% higher clip than Marquez. He dominated the fight from the opening bell to the closing bell. It wasn’t close. As usual, Marquez started off slow but, this time, he wasn’t able to gain any steam as the fight dragged on. The true defining characteristic of a champion, at least in my opinion, is how he handles adversity. Floyd took nearly two years off. He had a run-in with the law, sort of, and his uncle is going through a similar situation with the law. He had a rib injury. Delayed the fight a few months. Came in overweight and still proceeded to pound the living crap out of the #2, and arguably #1, pound-for-pound fighter in boxing today. Floyd Mayweather is the greatest fighter of his generation. And that’s not an overstatement. That is the truth. This was Mayweather-Baldomir all over again.
In the seven biggest fights of his career, opponents have landed just 20.0% of their punches. That’s 714 of 3567. He’s landed 45.2% of his punches. That’s 1312 of 2903. Those seven fights were Marquez, Hatton, De La Hoya, Baldomir, Gatti, and the two against Castillo. I didn’t think the Judah fight was a big fight for him. He’s landing 25% more than his opponents are. In fact, he’s landed 598 more punches despite throwing 664 fewer. That, in itself, is amazing.
No other fighter in boxing today possesses the footwork, speed, defense, counter-punching, technicality, and smarts of Floyd Joy Mayweather, Junior. It’s as simple as that. True, Manny made Oscar quit but Floyd made him retire. Floyd exposed Hatton and destroyed his career. Manny just finished him off. All Manny is doing is following the blueprints that Floyd is laying out. Manny’s blueprint on Marquez was horrible and Floyd showed that by exposing Marquez with superior speed, defense, technicality, and smarts.
Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer in the world today. And, in my opinion, he’s in the top ten of all-time.
http://twitter.com/FlyByKnite
actually manny made him retire AND quit
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Youre breaking down statistics in a meaningless way every boxer has his own strenghts and weaknesses.
If you start to measure PWill’s career in how many punches he has thrown he may be the greatest fighter in history. Measure Tysons career in how many bobs and weaves he has pulled off and hes the greatest. Measure greatness in sheer punching strenght and Ernie Shavers is now the greatest.
When we talk about great fighters we talk about fighters that would be the stark opposites of each other.
Most of us have the fantasy fight of Tyson vs Ali.
The reason that is a good fight is because it would be interesting to see how Tyson would deal with Ali’s lighting jab and how Ali would handle Tysons powerful combinations.
You have to think out of the box the reason boxing is so beautiful is because there is no best. Even Robinson, Ali, Pep and Armstrong lost. Now to Mayweather fans with the way their simple brains work they think everybody that loses sucks but nobody is undefeatable and these fighters lost because they took on somebody that simply had the style to beat them.
The reason its called the sweet science is because boxing is science at its most complicated. First you have to take the extremely complex biomechanics at work with two fighters and then put those alternative biomechanics at work against each other. It’s as mind boggling as it is beautiful.
If Ali hand picked his opponents he could have been undefeatable as well. All he had to do was avoid Joe Frazier and fight slower guys like Liston who were more tailored to his style. He didn’t do that and somebody that is not as “great” as him beat him simply because he had the right style.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
tyson would bob and weave his way through ali’s jab and floor him. FNR4 proves it
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I’m hitting the hay tonight. Thanks to everyone for talking boxing tonight, and hope everyone had a good time despite a rather, well…I don’t even know the correct word for the main event tonight.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
“hitting the hay tonight” = “hitting the hay now”
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
someone else in here mentioned it, but how is that pre-fight EVERYONE was calling this a crock of shit, and mayweather would dominate and it wouldn’t be a big deal. so mayweather comes out and does exactly what everyone is expected him to do, and suddenly he’s a god. this was a predictable fight for money may, and i DO NOT come out of this impressed. i do agree that he was an ATG before this fight, but this fight did not elevate him passed that.
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:06 AM EDT reply actions
I don’t think he raised his profile, either. It was what it was. It doesn’t mean nothing, but it doesn’t mean a whole lot either. This is exactly what people expected, maybe slightly more dominant, but those people also largely hated this fight and used this as a reason to not order it.
(Fuck, I’ve probably got another 20 minutes in me, THEN I’ll go to bed.)
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
i know i turncoated by buying this fight and getting the pre-megafight jitters, but honestly i saw this coming. there were some things a tiny bit off with money may, but it was pretty much the exact same guy. now thats not a bad thing, but i’m just saying against a CLEARLY overmatched guy (everyone knew he was going to get dominated right when the fight was announced) it just isn’t awe inspiring.
it’ll be interesting to see how JMM ends up after this fight. he got thoroughly dominated in this fight, so i’ll be interested to see if he continues his warrior like ways whenever he moves back down to lightweight. the man ain’t getting any younger, and after a shellacking like tonight who knows how well he performs in the future
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I appreciated Marquez. He stayed true to his colors. He fought down the stretch, there was just nothing there. He couldn’t hit him, and the few times Juan landed something, it was anemic shit.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
oh yeah
as much as i hate on the guy for his stupid 100 year long grudge against pacquiao, the man is a fucking warrior and i respect the hell out of him. BUT it was obvious from the start there was zero chance of him winning this fight. somewhere in the 11th round i actually said that i felt sorry the guy despite my own stupid grudge against him. he is mos def a future HOF, one of Mexico’s ATG, and he was thoroughly completely utterly devastatingly embarrassingly crushed by money may
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s the epitome of ‘tough sonuvabitch’.
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
yeah i was quite impressed when he took that lennox-like combo that floored rahman. i was expecting him to wobble after seeing that perfect combo, but he just stood there and taunted mayweather to bring some more. straight up warrior JMM is
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
After a while, his toughness (which I already thought was amazing) really started to wow me. A lot of fighters would have just quit. He had no desire to do that.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
actually thought he was going to quit when weeks came by the corner a few times. he lost all hope by the end of the 4th round, yet he stuck in there and took shot after shot.
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest I think he lost heart after he got off the canvas in the second round.
He didn’t look very confident throughout the fight but apparently they were going to stop in it the 10th round(or 9th I can’t recall).
He took the shots well though but that wasn’t his problem.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 20, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
you summed it up perfectly. eryone is treating mayweather like he is a god. if we saw anythin less from him tonight, people would be all over how he wasnt the same, the time off hurt him, etc. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, be the same fast, defensive, smart fighter he was. i jus dont see how anyone opinions of him rise after this.
in regards to the p4p thing up there, i see it as bet fighter regardless of weight also, and dont get me wrong, floyd is without a doubt up there, but jus because marquez was the consensus #2 fighter after floyd retired and floyd jus beat him doesnt mean anything for me in terms of floyds own ranking or what not. he beat an outclassed smaller man who ha no business fighting above 135. floyds a great great fighter but in the last 4/5 years he’s onlu fought 3 guys that were his size. it cant be thaat hard to look this good when he refuses to fight anybody thats not smaller than he is.
by ianflo on Sep 20, 2009 2:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
By the way
whatever happened to our BLH ‘picks stat sheet’? I think I was in pretty poor condition the last time I saw one, but are we done with that or what?
"I swear to God, I'll take this ******* ball and shove it down your ******* throat" - Serena Williams
It was really hard to keep track of properly. I kept missing picks just by the volume of them, and losing track of who was “active.” I’m going to figure out a way to automate it if I can, or if someone else wants to take up the task, hey, I’m open to hosting it.
I think you and I were pretty close in “record.” Solidly in the middle of the pack!
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a good feature but as it got bigger and bigger i was expecting it to go, it would of been hard to keep up with everyone. You get enough good stuff up on this site as it is anyway. Maybe just mega fight pics
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
got too hectic for SC and co. didnt have the time to do it
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Btw y’all jinxed my man orlando cruz!! I should have never asked about him lol…
by AllDayBoxing on Sep 20, 2009 2:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That was as good as I’ve ever seen Cornelius Lock look. He really does have talent, but he’s always used his length sparingly and put himself into bad situations. Even though Cruz kind of outboxed him in a lot of ways, he found a way to use his reach advantage right and land good, hard shots. Those two had a hell of a good fight.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched this fight at a movie theatre and it was pretty fun
I had never watched boxing with so many people, and it was cool hearing everyone go ‘OH’ after the knockout. Everyone there was rooting for Floyd besides me. When he knocked Marquez down, it got so loud I couldn’t hear the announcers. Juan just couldn’t hit him. It’s a shame the weight thing happened, because I think it took some luster off the dominance Floyd showed. The worst part for me was when JM went to the corner after the 3rd round and you could see the discouragement. And to join in the Floyd-Shane argument, I think Floyd would decision him easy. I hope they fight next
That’s awesome. That’s one thing I thought sounded REALLY fun about the theater experience. It’s like going to the movies but you’re expected to yell and shit.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Like in 1984???
Boxing is the beginning of all sports. I'm willing to bet that the first sport was a man against another man in a fight. (Omar Epps)
What just happend...
So Floyd proved that he still has great hand speed and great counter-punching skills. Pac v. Floyd should happen at 147. Seriously stop this catch-weight BS. Either you are a legit welterweight or you are a pretender. Floyd is the best fighter at 147. Shane isn’t a challenge. Cotto isn’t a challenge unless he beats the pac-man. There is going to be one fight that everyone will be clamoring for…and that is pacman v. FMM for the p4p crown. Let go of the ego and make it 40%-40% with the extra 20% going to the winner…mega-fight does not begin to describe this fight…
I agree with a situation like that in the split but maybe not 20%. They should make it winner gets the bigger cut
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
But wouldn’t that be the bigger cut? If you split it like waldo said, both are guaranteed 40, but the winner gets 60 which I heard is what some fighters of Floyd’s prominence want regardless of the decision.
by black dragon on Sep 21, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
ESPN doing a typically horrible job. i’ve had it on for 30 minutes now and not one mention of the fight (or THAT other combat sport). god damnedable NCAA
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 3:38 AM EDT reply actions
You know what would help? If HBO would stop overprotecting their fight footage and give them real highlights to air. They never show knockouts on SportsCenter because HBO won’t let them show that. Gotta save it for the replay in a week! Which is just a fantastic strategy in the internet age, when any yokel can go on YouTube and see the fight within hours.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
well yeah but at least talk about the fight, simply isn’t enough to have it on the ticker. do we really have to know about the 23rd/25th ranked amateur football team in the nation or the wnba?
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You probably got it late since it was one of the first segments they did, it was like in the first 10 minutes…
by AllDayBoxing on Sep 20, 2009 3:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ahh alright then. usually though they at least bring it up every now and then with the oft repeated highlights of college ball
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
do we really have to know about the 23rd/25th ranked amateur football team in the nation
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Sadly, more popular than boxing.
or the wnba?
No, we don’t.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Last night on ESPNews
they showed the Floyd presser, Kenny interviewed Floyd, some other guy interviewed Floyd, and they had Atlas break it down.
I sadly saw what i was expecting tonight. I knew coming in that it could be a Floyd show and it was. I dont believe this adds to Mayweathers legacy and ill treat it as a tune up fight.
Marquez was beaten not only by speed but Mayweathers skill as a defencive fighter and the reason it looked much easier was his reach. He could pop with his jab and Marquez (a good counter-puncher) would miss trying to get him on the return. Even if Marquez hadn’t lost any speed Mayweather could see him step toward him and throw.
Now im not trying to say reach cant be over come or without it Floyd would of been hit alot, Im saying that his reach AND his awesome defence made it simple for him.
Marquez knew if he went after Floyd he would be countered all night and take alot of damage, and was to slow and to limited to counter himself.
For me Pac is still 1 p4p and Floyd 2, Marquez drops but not a whole lot.
I hope that moving up in weight this much wont do havoc with Marquez droping back down. He put on muscle which is hard to loose and stay fit and he aint to young. I think this is the begining of his final days as a top level fighter.
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
What do you guys think would of happened if it was manny vs marquez at this weight?
by AllDayBoxing on Sep 20, 2009 1:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Manny-Marquez III at any weight likely ends up with Manny dominating. I am a huge fan of both guys, but Marquez is just older and more worn out. It’s just time.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew that since post-babyull.
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 20, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured on it earlier than that. After Manny whipped Oscar, I think that’s when I decided that maybe I’d dig Manny-JMM III, but eh, I think I know the ending.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed- At this weight!
Would be a slaughter which no one would sensibly enjoy watching.
by Drunken cutman on Sep 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Really, even at 135, I really feel Manny would have just overwhelmed him. Pacquiao has kept most of his speed and power, is fighting smarter now, and seems even to take a shot better at the higher weight — the exact opposite, sadly, seems to be happening to Marquez.
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