Mayweather-Marquez buys could reach 1.6 million

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 9:38 AM EDT in Rumors Comment 64 comments

Reports are optimistic about the Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view buys. Sources close to the numbers are saying it could reach as high as 1.6 million, with a million a "definite."

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As if Kevin Iole saying last night that one million buys was possible for Mayweather-Marquez didn't kick off enough of a strange, near-violent reaction, I did some asking around myself last night after being somewhat perplexed by the venom the very idea of this brought forth. In short, I went straight to the man who had the sources: Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports.

The number could go as high as 1.6 million, as Kevin Iole told me last night over some back-and-forth messaging. Iole told me that a million is "definite," and says that HBO will release the numbers either today or on Thursday.

Some will be skeptical, and I am, too. But when I compare this to how the Hatton-Pacquiao numbers came out, it's a bit different. You'll recall, probably, that the first numbers we heard for that fight were supposedly between 1.6 and two million buys, that being the number that Bob Arum threw out there. Arum had previously stated during the press build-up that he felt the fight could break the all-time PPV record, which is 2.4 million, as set by Oscar de la Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2007.

That came down to about 825-850,000 buys in America when Dan Rafael of ESPN did some digging in the following days, after Arum, perhaps feeling a bit embarrassed by his leap of faith coming down at about half of what he was saying, didn't want the numbers to be released, claiming it was nobody's business but that of the promoters and fighters. He did not address the fact that he was so giddy to proclaim massive numbers just days before, but that's another story for another time.

Golden Boy and HBO were not pleased with Arum's insistence that the fight's buys not be released to the public. They felt good about what everyone accomplished, but for Arum, it could have been seen many ways. Negotiating tactic with Mayweather and Pacquiao down the line, for one. That number didn't beat Mayweather's number with Hatton, and it sure doesn't look like it's going to beat this one.

This is, again, not official. But if this turns out as it looks right now, a lot of people may need to re-evaluate how they're looking at Mayweather as a draw. This fight may have seemed limp on paper to the diehards, but the casual audience didn't really know that.

This is not promoters throwing numbers around, like with Arum and the Hatton-Pacquiao fight. This seems like it's coming out much differently than that. We'll keep you posted on any developments, but for the time being, everything is looking very good for Mayweather-Marquez.

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I’m sure there will be a lot of all-caps “HOW DARE YOU SIR” vitriol here, but I for one would be pretty shocked if 1.6M people actually ordered this fight. I order just about every PPV fight I can afford, but even with the decent undercard I was looking to leach off of someone. I don’t really feel one way or the other about it, but it would really surprise the hell out of me.

I mean, I take it with a grain of salt of course, given that about 365 million people watched Pacquiao-Hatton by Bob’s first count. If the number is released and it’s anywhere close to this, it would be an unmitigated success and truly amazing given how awful the promotion was. I was thinking it would be a wild success if it got past 600K, quite frankly.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I guess this might mean the promotion was just super by the standards of the casual fan. They’re an entirely different animal from “us”; they want and expect different things. I really think the back-to-back PPV flops of Pavlik-Hopkins and Calzaghe-Jones late last year finally cemented to the promoters and even HBO that you can’t ask boxing fans to pay for just anything, so this year there will have been all of three major PPV cards: Hatton-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Marquez, Cotto-Pacquiao. All PPV-worthy, even considering the weak matchmaking of Mayweather-Marquez, because it was an event being Mayweather’s comeback. A bigger event than I saw coming, frankly.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might be right. If so, then I’ll just shut up about predicting PPV sales from now on because I apparently have fallen very far out of touch with what the average fan actually wants to see. I mean, I didn’t think that either May-Hatton or May-Marquez were very compelling matchups, but there just seemed to be a lot more excitement for the Hatton fight than for this one. I mean the redcoats invaded Vegas for that fight, the style matchup was boxer/brawler and Hatton even had somewhat of a fanbase in the Mexican market. Weird.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 23, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think 24/7 might be the best thing to happen to boxing… Honestly, for someone who isn’t interested in boxing it just draws you in. Heck… even my mom was hooked into it.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't underestimate Floyd's ability to self-promote

Also, some other factors:

- Movie theaters
- Solid number of other venues airing the fight (bars, clubs, etc.), more so than most boxing matches
- Highest rated 24/7 so far
- Scarcity creates demand, and Floyd has been awfully scarce lately
- Not a Top Rank PPV, so there wasn’t a free tape delay airing on Azteca, meaning the Latino population actually had to buy the pay per view (who knows how many buys are lost because of this)

Also, if you get this many buys, most people who are watching it are casual fans, not even boxing fans. Mayweather is a name people recognize, much more so than even Pacquiao. There were 2.4 million buys for one of his fights, plus he’s been making appearances on a show that gets about 8 million viewers a week, plus he was on a reality show that gets 15 million viewers a week. I wouldn’t be surprised if a substantial number of people bought the fight or went to theaters never having bought a boxing pay per view before, mostly wanting to see whether Floyd could back up his cocky persona.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not a Top Rank PPV, so there wasn’t a free tape delay airing on Azteca, meaning the Latino population actually had to buy the pay per view (who knows how many buys are lost because of this)

Yeah, but neither was Mayweather-Hatton. I mean, maybe the difference there was that Hatton was too unknown in the U.S. (and/or that his Mex and Mex-American fanbase was overstated).

I am very curious about the theater numbers, and I hope they’ll itemize the results somewhat so we can get a feel for how successful they were. It is a pretty interesting idea.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, but Pacquiao-Hatton was

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think most Hispanics like Pacquiao but they don’t love him like they do Marquez or Margarito.

I think that kinda adds to the people who went the PPV route…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

They like the “Mexicutioner?” Maybe Puerto Ricans and Dominicans…

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 23, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mexican fans have taken quite well to Pacquiao, actually. He’s always refused to use that “Mexicutioner” nickname and been very respectable to the great fighters he’s beaten.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you mean ‘respectful’ which is definitely true. But I have heard some very loud and angry dismissals of Pacquiao from Mexican fans. And not just on the internet. I’m talking in my ear at high volume. It could be different south of the border, though (the “border” being Jersey :)).

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 23, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean he fights like a Mexican… and most Hispanic fans acknowledge how good he is… but they would rather have him have a last name like Martinez or Rodriquez instead of Pacquiao.

For the most part Hispanic( namely Mexican/Mexican American fans) are pretty well educated in boxing… they boo’ed the hell out of the JCCJr/Vanda fight when the scores were announced. I mean… Chavez is like a demigod over there but they called it how they saw it… and showed their dissproval.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rumor: Mayweather-Marquez does around 1 million buys

I reckon this is a sequel to the previous article for the sole reason of pissing the pacnuts, pacfanatics and pacmaniacs… I’m afraid this would boomerang when in the end, all can be said is… nothing but rumor.

by Covev on Sep 23, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The official number — as stated in the article — will be released either today or tomorrow.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Long time reader de-lurking here. I’m a “Floyd hater” of sorts, but I believe the numbers. This fight was actually being talked up on sports talk radio where I live. If you ever want to know what’s on the mind of the average sports fan, always look to sports radio, not the web, which is for enthusiasts and other people with idiosyncratic tastes. Just like if you want to know the pulse of the average voter on political issues, don’t look to cable news or the major papers or especially blogs, look to local news radio.

But I don’t think the fight did well for good reasons. People want to see Mayweather because he’s an American and a “star”. It has F-all to do with the quality of the event. These are essentially the same people who will only watch the World Series if the Yankees or Red Sox are playing, regardless of whether those teams are in fact the best or most exciting in a given year. ESPN’s programming is heavily geared toward these folks – the mindless repetition of stories about Brett Favre, Alex Rodriguez, etc. The “American” part of it is also important. There are a great many casual sports fans out there who think this era of men’s tennis is tepid compared to the McEnroe/Connors and Sampras/Agassi eras. It doesn’t matter that the quality of play is basically the best it’s ever been – the top guys (except for Roddick) aren’t American so who cares.

The “analysis” I was hearing on the radio reflected the types of lazy generalizations you might expect from fans like this. I hate to say it, but I was really feeling an undertone from the hosts along the lines of “Mayweather can’t be beaten because black Americans are superior athletes compared to everyone else.” That kind of stuff just shows a total ignorance about boxing history and, if you think about it, is insulting not only to the Pacquiaos of the world but also to Mayweather because it gives short shrift to his craft. But it fits the stereotypes that most lazy people have about athletes: black guys are athletic but don’t work hard, white guys and Mexicans are unathletic but scrappy, Asians are too small, etc.

by taco pal on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Ring's new p4p rankings

by gunranger on Sep 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I saw they dropped Marquez down to No. 5, with Mosley up at 3 and Hopkins at 4 now, too. Fair enough all around.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t get how they have Donaire and Caballero but no P will?

And Hasegawa is on mine :)

by gunranger on Sep 23, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doug Fisher thinks Mayweather’s placing is unfair because it is pushing out PW but he really, really doesn’t like Mayweather. He actually makes quite a sensible and eloquent (for a change) argument about why he thinks Mayweather should be ranked lower.

Oh and I agree that it is a great shame that they don’t rank Hasegawa who is brilliant and deserves much praise. certainly more than Caballero.

by Drunken cutman on Sep 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't get how Caballero is rated higher than Williams

There’s no comparison when you look at their recent resumes objectively.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Caballero is um skinnier that is why… p4p is biased I tell you against fatties like Paul Williams…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to concur with Dana White that if this fight did 1.6 million buys, it just underscores that there are a lot of stupid people out there. The fact that this fight played out exactly as we all knew it would underscores what a waste of $60 it truly was. If they got 1.6 million people to shell that out, good for them, but it will have an overall damaging effect on the sport, as people will be unwilling to shell out that money for another snoozefest again in the future.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 23, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The only actual problem I have with White’s statement is that it assumes EVERYONE was bored by the fight. Apparently a lot of people like Floyd a lot more than we thought. They might well have been very entertained. Casual and even non-fans that ordered might well have been impressed with Mayweather’s utterly dominant performance, and might now be totally pumped to see him against Manny, Mosley or Cotto.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And for the record, no, I was not entertained by the fight. I’d rather watch Manny Pacquiao fight a cardboard cutout of Miguel Cotto than sit through Mayweather-Marquez again.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the telling moment was the knockdown in the second. Mayweather says on 24/7 that he loves contact, right? Okay, well you have Marquez hurt, and Marquez is very difficult to stop. If you’re the present/future/GOAT for boxing, close the fucking show. Make the fucking statement. Don’t just coast to a win over the next 10 rounds.

Say what you want about Pac, if he gets them hurt, he steps on the gas pedal. Even DLH who was obviously just to big for him to put to sleep, he just punished with combos until it got stopped in the corner. And Hatton he showed no mercy to at all. Pac is an assassin, and that’s why money spent on watching him is cost I never regret.
While Floyd is technically brilliant, and I don’t mind him shoulder-rolling to death in a competitive fight, if he gets somebody hurt, I’d like to see that same killer instinct.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion

by The Kittitas Kid on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Every casual I know talked about how brilliant Floyd was. It was an entertaining one sided fight.

by gunranger on Sep 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't the think Marquez was really hurt,

and ever-cautious Mayweather saw that. This isn’t to say one can’t wish Mayweather would have tried for the KO, but I have my doubts that this knockdown was going to set it up.

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by Matt Miller on Sep 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i loathed just about every minute of the floyd fight but the guys who i watched the fight with in chicago (floyd fans) loved every minute of it. it was only around the 11th round where they got frustrated and wanted floyd to knock him out.

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by sonofapsycho on Sep 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said the same thing after Mayweather-de law Hoya

Yet people keep buying Mayweather fights. Go figure.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It wont damage the sport, i really dont recall that many people calling it a robery after the fight, only the pacman fan boys calling mayweather boring…

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

Looking at the bigger picture there have been a few million sellers in the last twelve months with another million seller potentially coming this year(Cotto vs Pac).

I think these numbers are wildly optimistic.. I mean Kevin Iole is a great guy but he seems extremely opinionated at times so I will wait and see but even a million would be incredible.

I was expecting 300K or so.. not close to a million and certainly not near 1.6 million.

by MannyPacquiao on Sep 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

300k was a ridiculously low expectation

That’s like Pacquiao-Solis territory.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pyrrhic victory

If these numbers are true, then great. The question that should be asked is, will people do it again?

Will people balk at buying more boxing because “it’s only slipping and ducking” with no action or Mayweather just being cautious and hugging? For a casual fan watching John-Juarez and the main event, isn’t it safe to say that they felt they may have not gotten the most bang for their buck and may go elsewhere?

Mayweather and Co. may have won this round, but I wonder how it will affect buyrates for future events based on what the buyers saw.

by cyke on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

pretty big and surprising number for a crap fight. the mexican base is loyal thats for damn sure.

@mikefareri on twitter.

by sonofapsycho on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mosley.. Please....!!

All Mosley wants is a big payday. I hope Shane and Mayweather do fight so that he can

finally realize that he isn’t as fast as he thinks anymore. If he had Nazim in his corner

training him a little earlier before that Margaritta fight, his stock would have been up.

Shanes’ problem is the same as Hopkins and both of them are great fighters without

a doubt but their ages are the problem. If you beat them it really doesn’t enhance

your career that much either, because the questions and doubt will surface about

them being too old and could you have beating them when they were younger in their

prime.

by Haans Bishop on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Some people will question everything anyone ever does. If you put a little effort in, you can start discrediting every win everyone’s ever had.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing for sure at least in my mind, Mosley was on par with Duran when he fought at Lightweight.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To have seen Mosley vs Floyd at LW

is one of my all-time unfulfilled boxing dreams.

Still, I would be pumped to see this fight come through, and I wouldn’t doubt if it did, what with Mayweather’s confidence so high and Mosley’s seeming willingness to take a smaller cut than other potential PBF opponents.

And if the Mosley who beat Margarito shows up, I believe he has a really solid shot.

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by Matt Miller on Sep 23, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too Bad

It’s a shame that Marquez drunk all that urine for nothing. I guess he didn’t drink enough to stop that ass wooping. For those who didn’t understand why Mayweather pummeled Marquez for twelve rounds … It was a statement for Pac Man to take notice of for the fighter that he had trouble with.

Mayweather vs Pacman 2010. …… Mayweather wins!!!

by Haans Bishop on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I watched the UFC up til this fight came on (it was a decent but not spectacular card). Pumped for the 1st half…..but by the 6th round, my eyelids were getting heavy. Struggled to watch the fight w/o falling asleep. Mayweather just refused to take even the slightest chances getting Marquez out of there. I went back to watch Franklin / Belfort & woke the f_ck up!!

My point is……I’m stunned by the rumored number. Good for Floyd to draw like that but I can’t understand how!

by frickshun on Sep 23, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, you switched over, you know? You were pumped to switch over. The fight being boring as all hell — and for sure it was — doesn’t mean people get to take back their buys.

(War Dr. Octagon)

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey SC, meant to say it on the BE site……I really appreciate when you jump in there for some good insight & perspective. I’m a fan of both sports. I might be the only guy I know that loves watching B-Hop win “just enough” rounds to win.

My fave boxing match is Morales-Barrara I. That’s where I set my bar. Floyd is great. But he’s not scintillating. I was @ someone’s house but I wouldn’t buy this fight. If he faces Cotto/Pac/Shane, I’d buy. I know those guys will bring the fight to him & he won’t be able to elude them all night.

by frickshun on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it was a very solid undercard anyway

I fell asleep near the end too for a bit

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Sep 23, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

MMA/UFC BUYS?

I’m totally ignorant of this man-wrestling phenomenon – but have details of the numbers for the MMA/UFC (?) fight emerged yet? Wasn’t it going head to head with May-Marq? And wouldn’t it reveal what a decreped state boxing was in !?!

by MCM on Sep 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think they’re talking 400,000 or so for UFC 103, which is a really solid number for a show that didn’t have a huge fight anywhere on the card.

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by SC on Sep 23, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a pretty respectable number given that by all accounts it was a lackluster card.

It just comes to prove that there are diehards out there for both sports that can and will pay for PPVs.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can this be like the music industry

where the artist/record company buy there own release to boost up the first weeks release numbers?

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by J Theory on Sep 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jesus i guess floyd is right, they look for excuses for everything he does…

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Probably not.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not for pay per view numbers

For live ticket sales, sure, but word was that they were able to sell out the show the old fashioned way – by drastically dropping prices at the last minute.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

still full respect for the numbers

thats huge, especially for a fight that played out as uncompetitively as most people thought. I don’t think anyone’s looking for excuses, he beat up a much smaller man and looked flashy while doing it, awesome….well marketed anyway(despite the noises coming out before…bar Oscar, for whom a lot of credit has to go to?!) Hopefully bigger challenges ahead, in more than one sense of the word….

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Sep 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oscar, HBO and Floyd deserve a ton of credit with these projections. Oscar was the guy who kept saying Marquez could win, and although he’s unpopular with some segments of the boxing audience, he’s still a mainstream name. HBO’s “24/7” was really quite excellent again, arguably the best one they’ve done, and it did phenomenal ratings. They did a WONDERFUL job getting Marquez’s personality across — the guts, the heart, the pride. And Floyd did what Floyd does, which for three straight fights has driven boffo PPV numbers.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What were the ratings for the 24/7?

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 23, 2009 4:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Apparently they were the best the show’s ever done, meaning the three best-rated series in the show’s history are Mayweather-Marquez, de la Hoya-Mayweather and Mayweather-Hatton.

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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well what helps is that there is HBO Latino… and that fills a big niche market as well.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BOIEMACHO

This is how I base the number of PPV buys.
We always have a PPV-BBQ- gets together every fight of Pacman.
We always buy a box of oysters for our "Polutan" to a fish wholesaler. The fish wholesaler told me that every time there is a big fight, they have to make sure they have plenty of oysters because it always sold out. Most of the people buying are "Mexicans."
I have experience that myself one time during Pacman’s fight it sold out and was advised to call for reservation next time, which I always do since.
The one fighting is Marquez, a true Mexican lightweight champion and #2P4P fighters fighting against the former #1P4P king of boxing, Floyd Cheaterweather.
The day after their fight (Sunday), my family and friends decided having a get together and have some oysters. I told my brother in law to call the fish wholesaler first if they still have some oysters; it may sell out because of Marquez-Cheaterweather fight.
Guess what, they have plenty and selling it at 50% off because they cannot keep the oyster for long. That means, the Mexicans are not even having a PPV.
Now the question is where they get those 1.6 millions buys. They want us to believe that they sold a million buys from the Martians?

by BOIEMACHO on Sep 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Nice…lol

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 23, 2009 8:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

heh

This made no sense, but it made me laugh.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 23, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um… Que?

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love this story. I just do.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 23, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that his subject line is always his name

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by Brickhaus on Sep 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not entirely sure that anecdotal evidence is considered better than statistics but even if you are right and Mexicans didn’t buy this PPV in large numbers Floyd is definitely a bigger attraction to many Americans. I do not wish to detract from Pacquiao in boxing terms but as far as cross over appeal and casual fans are concerned Floyd is a much bigger star and therefore likely to bring in large numbers in the USA, larger numbers than Pacquiao.

Also I love the way you start your posts; it gives me the impression of someone shouting there name loudly every time they are about to speak. Makes me smile…

by Drunken cutman on Sep 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look at SC… with the connections….

It is kinda funny to see that idiot Dana White make an idiot out of himself by continuing to marginalize the Hispanic market. Marquez who? Well… clearly Mr White… you don’t know what you are talking about…

It makes me wonder how big a Mayweather/Manny PPV can be…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Sep 23, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs