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The Mayweather-Mosley Whirlwind: How big could a fight be?

Shanemosley_90_medium Floydmayweather2_90x94_medium "To be the best, you've got to beat the best in that era. It's not really about weight classes. … Shane Mosley is a good fighter, but I don't have to duck and dodge nobody." -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. (USA Today)

"I think Floyd's a little intimidated and afraid of me and he doesn't really want to fight me. He wants to jump around and fight these little guys.." -- Shane Mosley (FightHype)

Floyd Mayweather Jr. against Shane Mosley. Two of an era's best pound-for-pound fighters. For years, Mosley was the bigger star. Today, it's Mayweather, and the competition is no longer close.

The last time the fight was discussed was 2006. Mosley was in the middle of his two-fight rivalry with Fernando Vargas at the time, fighting at 154 pounds to make the most money. Mayweather had moved up to 147, beating Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah. The win over Judah was to be for Judah's Ring Magazine welterweight championship. Carlos Baldomir, though, upset Judah three months prior, taking some of the shine off of Mayweather's win before the two could even get in the ring.

While preparing for his July 2006 rematch with Vargas, Mosley heard all the talk about Mayweather needing an opponent for November of that year. He snuffed it out, saying, "They can stop thinking about that because it won't happen." Mosley had a reason: He wanted to get back down to 147 pounds the right way, instead of rushing it at all. After all, Shane was already getting on in years. Going up, coming down; it all gets harder over the years.

He also had some advice for Mayweather on what he should do for his November '06 fight: "Go fight Margarito -- then we can fight the winner."

Mayweather didn't, instead choosing to fight Baldomir for more money and the legit world championship at welterweight. Mosley kept his word, not fighting again until 2007, and moving back to welterweight. He fought and defeated Luis Collazo in February of 2007, then took a shot at then-unbeaten Miguel Cotto, losing a great fight in November.

2007 was the breakout year for Mayweather, as he matched up with Oscar de la Hoya at junior middleweight, defending his claim as pound-for-pound king by beating a clearly bigger, stronger man at a weight that was obviously too high for him. He and Oscar set an all-time pay-per-view record with that fight, and the introduction of HBO's "24/7" program made Mayweather a star outside of boxing for the first time in his career. He parlayed that into a big-money December showdown against Ricky Hatton, another win on the biggest of stages.

Star-divide

And then, with an Oscar rematch on the horizon, Mayweather "retired," just as he had after the wins over Baldomir and Oscar. This past Saturday, he came back to the sport. After his fight, he was half-confronted by Shane Mosley and Mosley's business partner, Bernard Hopkins.

Mosley says Mayweather flagged him over during Max Kellerman's post-fight interview, and that he didn't disrespect Mayweather or ruin his moment. In an interview at FightHype, Mosley simply said, "There wasn't no shine. There wasn't no shine," referring to Mayweather accusing Mosley of "stealing his shine." Mosley believes Mayweather truly has nothing to be proud of.

Mosley also notes that he called out Mayweather before Marquez did, and this is something I wondered as soon as Mayweather-Marquez was signed on May 2 of this year. You cannot ignore the facts:

  • When Shane Mosley stomped Antonio Margarito in January, Richard Schaefer told Shane he'd get him a fight with Mayweather. Mayweather said, "I'm retired."
  • A month later, after an exciting win over Juan Diaz, Marquez called out Mayweather in his post-fight interview. Most of us dismissed the very idea. It didn't make sense.
  • On May 2, Mayweather-Marquez was signed. Apparently Marquez's challenge was enough to get Floyd out of retirement. Mosley's was not. Why?

Some will answer that last question with the idea that Marquez somehow offered more money than Mosley did. It's unlikely there would have been any real difference. Mayweather got around a $10 million guarantee, with Marquez at $3.2 million, reportedly. (Add in the $600K that was paid after the weigh-in, and Marquez got just under $4 million before everything else comes back.)

Could Mayweather-Mosley have been made for that money? Would Shane have taken $3.2 million? Would Mayweather have fought Mosley for a $10 million guarantee? Maybe, maybe not. This fight has been an option before, more than once. David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press presented the case that Mosley has opted out every time, and he's not the only one that believes that to be the case when this fight has come up in the past.

But the really important thing is this: What is Mayweather-Mosley worth now? If Miguel Cotto scores what some would consider an upset in November over Manny Pacquiao, this becomes the most likely fight for Mayweather, if only because dealing with Golden Boy and Shane Mosley is likely to be easier than Floyd having to negotiate with Bob Arum and Top Rank to get a fight with Cotto, who would certainly be the hotter name.

Mayweather has stirred up boxing once again, and there's nothing bad about that. Mosley, nearing the end of his career, is trying to stir up Mayweather.

At the end of the day, how big of a fight do you think Mayweather-Mosley could be? They've created some buzz around it already, and despite his poor reputation as a drawing "A-side," Shane has proven in the past that he's a great opponent as a "B-side" fighter, so to speak.

Is this a fight more for the long-time fans? How big of a fight would this be among the casual fans? I hope we find out, but for now, these are questions posed to everyone.

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Great Article

I’ll comment later, but I just learned that Arreola weighed in at 251. Not good.

"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb

by jrok on Sep 24, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haven’t been able to read this, but just look at max’s face. what else did he expect by calling out mosley while he was standing 3 feet away from him

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why isnt mosley a draw? And i think it would be very big two very good american fighters going at it and it and mosley having a decent chance of beating mayweather should bring out all of mayweathers many haters that want to see him lose bad to buy the fight and the 24/7 should do for a very entertaining one!

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 24, 2009 6:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Why isnt mosley a draw?

He’s just never done very good TV ratings or anything. His PPVs were never big sellers outside of the shows with Oscar, who could have drawn fighting you or me at that point. He did set a record at the Staples Center this year, but a lot of that is credited to Margarito bringing in the Mexican fans.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 24, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that, but i just wonder why more people dont care for him, ive always seen sugar shane as an exciting fighter…

Btw what were the ppv numbers for shane vs magarito, cotto and oscar?

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 24, 2009 7:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

margarito was on WCB aka just plain ol’ hbo, not a PPV. oscar dominated every PPV statistic so i’m sure he got high numbers for those two fights.

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 24, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh ok thats what i thought but i really didnt remember so i did a quick search and it said it was ppv, my bad!

by AllDayBoxing on Sep 24, 2009 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think Shane just never made himself enough of a personality and never connected with a specific fanbase well enough to become a big star. Mayweather got a big personality out there starting in 2007, and he’s done very well. Oscar appealed to women in a way no other fighter did and became a big crossover guy. The Mexicans and Filipinos and Puerto Ricans, etc., have their ethnic ties. Shane was just a good fighter, good guy, generally pretty fun to watch. He became one of my favorite fighters and still is.

I also think that the two straight losses to Vernon Forrest were just horribly timed. Here was Mosley, he’d beaten Oscar in 2000, and then he followed that up with wins over Antonio Diaz, Shannan Taylor and Adrian Stone. By the time he’d gotten to Vernon, he was regarded by many as No. 1 P4P in the sport, but he’d also cooled off after the Oscar win with some “eh” victories (decent fighters, but clearly not on his level) and then when he met up with Vernon, he was a huge favorite and lost convincingly. Kinda screwed him up.

So he lost two straight and then fought Oscar again, won, and THEN lost to Winky twice in a row. Pretty shitty stretch for Shane, and it took him a while to get his mojo back. He’s probably as big a star now as he’s been since he beat Oscar for the second time in 2003.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also didn’t help that people still think he lost both fights to oscar. haven’t seen the first one, and the rematch was my first fight ever but i seem to remember being pissed off that he did win the rematch so idk maybe that adds to it

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 24, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...This one pulls in more $$$ than the Marquez fight

This one doesn’t need the flat out lies and bs to sell it that ODLH was saying about the Marquez fight. You know the ‘Marquez is ready’ or ‘Marquez is going to do it’ crap we were fed.

While Mosley’s speed might be a step slower than Floyd’s, he’s got the power and stamina to make Floyd fight every second. Not to mention, the power to take his head off. If this one happens, my money’s on Shane.

by SmittytheCutman on Sep 24, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about the JMM-PBF numbers? they out yet?

The Dude Abides

by battle axe of doom on Sep 24, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Waiting on it.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 24, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New update on the front page. Schaefer says he’s waiting to release the number until he is sure he can stand behind it. These numbers do tend to go up and down in the waiting stages.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 24, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mosley vs Mayweather

Floyd needs to fight Mosley and get it over with. He’s Afraid if he Loses he won’t get to fight the winner of MP and Cotto.

by rgb on Sep 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He would get the winner just not as much money. Take a wild guess about what Floyd cares about more, Mosley shit-talking or money…

by waldo47 on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayweather Mosley

The buys for Mayweather Mosley should beat the JMM numbers but i dont think by much. There was alot of casual fans that wanted to see Mayweather and the boxing fans wanted to see how his return went, if he had any rust etc, and then add on the big mexican fan base behind JMM and you got alot of buys. Im not sure if Shane could draw in the crowd that JMM did. It would balance up by people knowing this is the fight to watch and a must see for anyone

"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone

by sigidy on Sep 24, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

floyd’s just waitin for mosley to get old. they’d make good money fight, enough hardcore boxing fans would tune in…but it’s not enough guaranteed money for floyd to take a risk, like when he passed on 8 million to fight Margarito.

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

like when he passed on 8 million to fight Margarito.

…for the same money to fight a weaker fighter who was legit welterweight champ. That’s the part people fail to mention when they go, “He ducked an $8 million offer to fight Margarito!”

If I offered you x amount of money to replicate a Picasso and then offered you the same amount of money to do an OK job of drawing Garfield, you’d probably draw Garfield, too.

Bad Left Hook
"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes

by SC on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice analogy

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Sep 25, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think Mosely’s last win is maybe as good as he’s ever looked, and that together with the animosity between the two could really sitr it up to be big also for the casual fans, beyond the fact that Moseley doesn’t have a big set fanbase…

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Sep 25, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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