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Shane Mosley needs to fight Joshua Clottey

Shane Mosley never did fight Zab Judah in 2008, and he apparently won't fight him in 2009, either. Mosley wants a good opponent, and seems willing to name drop everyone but the one that's available: Joshua Clottey. (Photo via www.boxnews.com.ua)

Shane Mosley never did fight Zab Judah in 2008, and he apparently won't fight him in 2009, either. Mosley wants a good opponent, and seems willing to name drop everyone but the one that's available: Joshua Clottey. (Photo via www.boxnews.com.ua)

Robert Morales' Insider Notebook includes a lot of discussion with WBA welterweight titlist Shane Mosley, who is finding himself a tough sell to everyone else in the division and is coming a bit unglued about his situation. Mosley hasn't fought since January, when he stunningly destroyed Antonio Margarito in Los Angeles.

Mosley is fully set to return on December 26, a date that was moved from December 5 to hopefully accommodate a middleweight championship fight between Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams, but he's still unable to find an opponent -- or so he says.

Really, the problem seems kind of obvious to me: No one's willing to just say, "Look, we're going to have to fight Joshua Clottey here."

Mosley is still talking about Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr., but he needs to let that go until next year. Both of them are locked in to fights and aren't going to fight him before 2009 is out. Miguel Cotto is another name, and he's fighting Pacquiao.

Andre Berto and Dan Goossen don't seem to want that fight just yet. Berto is working on a deal to fight Isaac Hlatshwayo, it appears. Golden Boy went to Zab Judah with an offer that was first said to be about $500,000 and 5% of a pay-per-view, but Richard Schaefer now says was about $350-400,000. Yoel Judah, Zab's father, immediately turned them down. Zab went on an infantile rant about it, which didn't surprise Schaefer.

Shane seems totally hyped on name-dropping guys who aren't going to fight him this year (Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto) or guys that have basically said no for now (Judah, Berto), but he's not mentioning Joshua Clottey at all.

It's not that Clottey's name hasn't come up. At various points he's seemed to be the leading candidate to fight Mosley in December, but then as recently as two days ago there was this out-of-the-blue offer to a totally undeserving Judah, who lost to Clottey last fall, which was the last time Judah fought. In the meantime, Clottey narrowly lost a tough decision in a really good fight to Miguel Cotto in June, which did nothing but raise Clottey's stock.

No, Clottey is not a big star. In fact, he's not even really a regular sized star. So the money won't be big, and Shane has said he wants the big fights. But the fact of the matter is this. Mosley turns 38 on Monday and there is no really big money fight out there for him right now. And if he waits around on one, he might be waiting until he's 39.

If Berto and Judah have decided they don't want to take this fight, and obviously Pacquiao, Cotto and Mayweather are unavailable, who does he think he's going to land?

It's got to be Joshua Clottey. The rest of the pretenders in the myth that is the "deep" welterweight division aren't going to bring more money. What, Selcuk Aydin? Jesus Soto Karass? Alfonso Gomez? Sebastian Lujan? Is he hoping Ricky Hatton might go, "You know, I'd like to fight Shane Mosley"?

Unless a surprise comes about from Berto, or Mayweather wipes out Marquez in two rounds on September 19 and decides he's ready to go right at Shane Mosley in three months, there's no question it's Clottey. There really almost has to be some other reason that Mosley-Clottey isn't already on the docket and getting some early hype.

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Seriously, Clottey proved that he was legit vs. Cotto. This would be a very good fight although unappealing to the public at large. I’m sorry Mosley but a cheater beating another cheater, the master of plaster disaster, does not get you a big nam fight. A win over Clottey will give you cred in the community and give a mandate to fight a bigger name. If you use this fight to expose yourself, either Clottey or Mosley, this could be a big stepping stone fight!

by waldo47 on Sep 3, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe Clottey's just not worth the risk....

for the money on offer. He’s a tough, tough fighter, and if he lost that there’s no potential big money fight with Mayweather, rematch with Cotto or chasing the dream with Pac. It might make more financial sense to take a softer option or even no option and get that mega fight in 2010.

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by BrianBrock on Sep 3, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you hit the nail on the head. Clottey is the second most under rated fighter only behind PWill.

Thats a pretty big risk and for what reward?

I was hoping they could make Berto vs Mosley to be honest but if not then I think he should fight Clottey and if he comes out on top it will raise his stock for a rematch against Cotto or a battle vs Mayweather or Pacman.

Cotto vs Mosley rematch is just natural. Mayweather will fight anybody, especially a 2 belt holder after his next fight flops and sells 14 PPV’s and Pacman wouldn’t mind unifying the division if he beats Cotto.

by MannyPacquiao on Sep 3, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a pretty big risk and for what reward?

There is literally nobody else for him to fight right now. The reward would be a payday.

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by SC on Sep 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Williams says he can still make 147.....

And he keeps getting messed around by Kelly Pavlik, why not make that fight?

Williams vs Mosley at 147 is potentially a brilliant fight.

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by Chaos100 on Sep 3, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is not a bad idea at all. If Williams could beat Mosley at 147 in winter, then beat Pavlik at 160 in the spring, it would be a tremendous, Armstrong-like feat. I think he could do it, too.

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by jrok on Sep 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see that fight. PW coming after Mosley, Shane throwing wicked counter-combos. It’s a fight I have a hard time seeing as possibly sucking. It could really be a great fight.

by lcollins1 on Sep 3, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cannot see it

stylistically PWill is a tougher test than Clottey and is also not bringing any big money or fanbase, although that would be an amazing fight.

He needs to realise he’s never going to get Pac and in all honesty Cotto(if he pulls off the upset) would naturally fight Mayweather next too. Brickhaus’ line of thinking sounds like a plan to get Berto, which looks the easiest ‘name’ option.

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by BrianBrock on Sep 3, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's part of why Mosley is waiting

But Mosley needs to fight someone already. Even if it’s just Kermit Cintron or Isaac Hlatswayo. If I were Mosley, that’s what I’d do to force Berto’s hand. I’d make a better offer to Hlatswayo to take that fight away from Berto, then tell DiBella that the alternatives are to fight Mosley or have no big fight for Berto. Mosley has the ability to cockblock Berto if he wants to.

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by Brickhaus on Sep 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mosley getting old!

Mosley don’t want to see PW. That will be a long night for the veteran, just ask Winky Wright. He better do something though, because he has been inactive for a while now.

by Haans Bishop on Sep 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there’s no doubt it would be a tough fight for Mosley, but he’s found some damn good success against pressure fighters. Also, Wink was never an output guy, he’s more of a pure, technical fighter and obviously a defensive wizard at his best.

A come forward fighter is made to order for Mosley. Plus, he doesn’t have a history of gassing down the stretch as far as I can remember, especially down at 147. From a hardcore fan perspective, a win over PW would etch his legacy among a chosen few. I’d be hard pressed to pick against him in that fight if it happened tomorrow. I absolutely love watching Mosley against guys that come forward relentlessly. As I’ve said many times, I want to see what happens when PW gets hit three times consecutively and never sees the last two. Mosley does that to PW, win or lose.

While the Mayorga fight was ugly down the stretch, the finish was spectacular. Plaster-hands was legendary, and the fights with DLH were great too. I find Shane to be a captivating guy: his mental makeup is interesting to me because I really think he’s a guy who thrives under ‘pressure’, actual and metaphorical.

While a fight with PBF would be interesting because of the names and the history, I don’t think Shane would do well there. He doesn’t carry the pressure to his opponent’s well unless it’s in the form of massive retaliation. That’s why either PW or Pac would be great and Pac ain’t happening. And shit, Clottey I’d take, too.

by lcollins1 on Sep 4, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

great post

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by Matt Miller on Sep 4, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how stubborn is this man? just fight clottey already for christ’s sake

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by battle axe of doom on Sep 3, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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