Freddie Roach now picking Pacquiao to stop Cotto
by Scott Christ on Sep 30, 2009 2:51 AM EDT
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Trainer Freddie Roach has stopped talking with caution, and he's getting confident. After seeing Manny Pacquiao train, Roach now says that his fighter will knock out Miguel Cotto on November 14. Roach had previously said he saw the fight going to a decision, and hailed Cotto as the toughest test of Pacquiao's career. This came after fights where he said Manny would stop Oscar de la Hoya (it happened) and he'd take out Ricky Hatton fast (also happened).
From Dennis Principe at The Inquirer:
"I picked him to win by decision, but until I started working with him to this camp, the way he’s punching, his speed, we will knock this guy out."
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"Basically we’re going to have a fast start and we’re not going to give [Cotto] any momentum. The way Manny is really fighting right now, I guess we’re going to frustrate Cotto with his speed."
Roach changing his tune could just be gamesmanship, but he's been right the last two fights. A confident, big-talking Freddie seems like good news for the Pacquiao camp.
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in the event this does happen
which would be more impressive.. Mayweather taking apart Marquez or Pac knocking out Cotto..
Mayweather taking apart Marquez was impressive?
by Areglado on Sep 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d for telling the 100% truf
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously bro, I was watching it with a friend (an MMA fan). He was impressed with Mayweather’s skills and the way he completely shut down JMM. I, however, was outraged and he couldn’t understand why. After the fight, I was trying to explain to him just how and why Floyd looked the way he did in that fight — it was a scam, smoke and mirrors. Marquez just wasn’t in the same galaxy in terms of physical ability, at least not at 147. The sad thing is, I totally appreciate Mayweather and his skills, I do. I think he’s brilliant. But he’s also a coward, a bully, an opportunist, and a man-child. If he were to just fight one, just ONE elite welterweight, I would be happy. I would shut up about him. Instead, who is fighting Miguel Cotto? The former flyweight champion of the world. It’s time for Money to grow a pair.
by an infinite margin
Pac knocking out Cotto. Agree with Areglado’s sentiment there
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Question should have been: Mayweather taking apart Marquez or Cotto taking apart Pacquiao?
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Pac still more impressive
If Mayweather took apart Williams, he might have an argument.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think it depends a lot on the Cotto that shows up on the night.
If an incredible Cotto fights his heart out and Pac still wins it would be a very very big victory for him.
I think Roach may just be talking it up here but then again thats what I thought during the last 2 fights and his predictions were remarkably accurate.
Maybe Pac does belong at 147 and isn’t a lightweight with 20 pounds on him.
by MannyPacquiao on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think i can pretty confidently say that Pacquiao is NOT a welterweight. At least not by modern (last 30 odd years) standards for this sport. Most true welterweights today are men who walk around at 160 or close to that. Pacquiao could take a jog around the park, head to the can with the morning paper, and chew a pack of gum in a sauna and make the weight. If you told Pacquiao at 7 am that he’d have to make welterweight by say, 7 pm, that same day, I doubt it would bother him much. The guy walks around at 150-151. So no, Manny isn’t a true welter, and no, he does not “belong” at 147. He could certainly make occasional forays into the division, but I don’t think he could stay there without seriously jeopardizing his health.
Cotto is an interesting case because while he is thought of as a “big” welterweight in terms of weight, mass, by some, his actual ummm, “dimensions (?)” don’t differ a great deal from Manny’s. His head and body are well within Pacquiao’s punching range. Contrast that to someone like Paul Williams, or Kermit Cintron for instance, who Manny would have trouble hitting without taking some serious punishment himself.
I ask myself sometimes how Manny would fare against some of the welterweight legends of yesteryear and I see him losing against almost every single one: Napoles, Robinson(obviously), Gavilan, Trinidad, Leonard, Hearns, Cuevas, Benitez, Palomino, the list goes on… Now, at 140, things might be different.
I see Pac beating all of the above
save for Leonard and Hearns and the battle against Gavilan would be great.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You actually see Pacquiao beating Robinson? (????)
Trinidad Pacquiao maybe, maaaaybe able to outspeed and frustrate. But could he avoid a giant Trinidad shot for twelve rounds? Doubt it.
Palomino would shrug off Pacquiao’s power and break him down with body shots in my opinion. No WAY Pacquiao stops Palomino. That guy was as tough as they come.
Cuevas is perhaps the 2nd biggest Welterweight puncher next to Thomas Hearns. Nuff said.
A prime Benitez was absolutely masterful. I think he’d box Manny’s ears off.
Jesus Christ, now we’re picking Pacquiao over Sugar Ray Robinson at 147? Cuevas and Trinidad would’ve caved his face in at some point too. Tito was nasty at welter. Pacquiao-Benitez would’ve been pretty awesome.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
ashamed to say i have no idea who napoles, gavilan, cuevas, or palomino are
now requesting a list of all of those dudes’ most entertaining bouts
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Duran-Palomino 1979 (Duran UD – I loved this fight)
Duran-Cuevas 1983 (Duran TKO 4)
Cuevas-Hearns 1980 (Hearns TKO 2)
Cuevas-Harold Weston (Cuevas TKO 9)
Jose Napoles-Curtis Cokes I and II 1969
Jose Napoles-Billy Backus 1970
Good luck finding clips of Gavilan. There’s stuff on youtube vs Olson and Graham in black and white, of course.
by Areglado on Oct 1, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so gavilan is super old school. thanks for the list dude, rec’d
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 1, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re welcome.
Yes, Gavilan is super old school. He fought Ray Robinson twice, and didn’t too badly either.
Hearns-Cuevas was just a shootout. The winner was gonna be the first guy who landed big. It was Tommy.
Duran’s my favorite, so it’s his fights with Palomino and Cuevas that I remember best. Be sure to watch the Palomino one. It’s a showcase for a) How tough Carlos was, and b) Just how great Roberto was. Duran-Cuevas, well, Cuevas just wasn’t himself anymore and Duran had his way with him — but you asked for “entertaining” and I thought it was.
yeah this might sound awful, but with these “old” dudes i can be f’d watching something like Leanard-Duran II/III.
so far i’ve been able to track down duran-palomino, and hearns-ceuvas. i need my 20 posts on unifiedchamp before i can browse for videos there, so i might be able to get the rest. thanks again duderino.
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by battle axe of doom on Oct 2, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacquiao knocking out Cotto
Mayweather hasn’t even shown a remote desire to fight Cotto.
But if you want me to explain, here’s one: Pacquiao is fighting a legit top welterweight. Can that even be said of Mayweather? So if he knocks him out, there you go…
been saying it all along and now i have freddie the non-joke coach roach to back me up
pacquiao via evisceration 6th round
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions
Time to place your money
On whatever Roachstradamus calls as the finish.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Sep 30, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the Weigh-in
If Pac comes in at 143 and Cotto at 147 then if the pacman knocks him out, impressive as all get out. Cotto comes in 144 and pac 144 with Cotto looking drained and drinking 9 sports drinks after the weigh-in, not so impressive. If Cotto comes in big and takes the early rounds to punish pacman to the body, I think he has a chance. If he is head-hunting all night, I like the pacman.
TKO Cotto on cuts? Maybe. KTFO Cotto or even score a KD? Doubtful.
Up and coming middleweight Shawn Porter, who has been sparring with Pacman this camp, was recently quoted as saying he is not so much impressed with Pacman’s power as much as he is by his speed. If Pacman even knocks down Cotto I will be speechless. I don’t see it happening honestly. Cotto withstood Margacheato’s plaster bomb assault for 11 rounds and still never actually got knocked down. OTOH, Porter is a middleweight, Cotto is only a welter, so maybe that has to be taken into account when evaluating Porter’s assessment.
If Cotto comes in at 147, he’ll pay a $2 million penalty ($1 million per pound over the agreed upon catchweight of 145). Cotto weighed in against Clottey at 146. He should make 145 without too much trouble. Losing 1 extra pound probably amounts to at most one extra day of running/drying out.
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