Dana White needlessly insults Juan Manuel Marquez
by Scott Christ on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT
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PrintUFC's Dana White believes nobody asked for Floyd Mayweather Jr. versus Juan Manuel Marquez. Actually, scratch "Juan Manuel Marquez." Dana refers to him as "What's his name?" in this video:
I'm not saying Dana White has no point. Mayweather-Marquez is not looking like the major event boxing would have hoped for it to be.
But this is just an obnoxious insult. It's petty and it's contrived and it's a wack attempt to sell his show and downgrade Floyd-JMM. I get it from a business standpoint. But it's not like this is going to actually affect sales, either. People have probably made up their minds about which show -- if either -- they're going to order. Both Mayweather-Marquez and UFC 103 are strong shows top-to-bottom, but the biggest star of the night is Floyd Mayweather Jr., even with the recent talk that he's not the star he thinks he is.
You know what UFC's countering with as a main event? Rich Franklin v. Vitor Belfort. I mean no disrespect to either of those men, but in fairness to what Dana's saying, I don't recall asking for Franklin-Belfort or wanting to pay for it. (I'm a big Vitor fan and have nothing against Franklin, really, I'm just saying. Not exactly a huge fight for UFC.)
But as I said over at Bloody Elbow, this is really just more of the same. I'm really not upset or anything like that, I just hate that Dana put on this annoying, fake face and pretended he doesn't know who Juan Manuel Marquez is. Marquez is a credit to combat sports, a guy who will fight anyone, takes risks, and leaves it all in the ring.
If boxing wins the night on PPV, Dana will say the two sports aren't competitors. If UFC wins, he'll tell you for the hundredth time that boxing is in trouble. It's the same ol' schtick he's been doing for a couple years now, as the world has been infested with "Is MMA killing boxing?" stories, while boxing just keeps existing. Yada, yada, yada.
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It’s this kind of crap that makes Dana look (as he usually puts it) like a retard. I dunno what the hell he was thinking here. Way to piss off all your new Mexican audience, Dana.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Great point about Franklin BTW. Dude was given a gift with his decision win over Wanderlei.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
always hated UFC/MMA, and i hate it even more now. what an ass
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 10, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Digital green screen background
Video is edited
Echo…
Seems scripted
All this = LAME
X2
MMA is awesome though…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Sep 10, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
my thoughts exactly.
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by sonofapsycho on Sep 10, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
according to this he is http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/8/1020664/is-bulking-up-the-only-option-in. And in the cage, he does not look 245 at all. Frank Mir is 245.
I don’t know what’s to gain here either.
I watch MMA, I just don’t pay for it.
But really, if he wants to make an argument about how his sport’s beating ours, just roll out the PPV numbers. The only thing him bringing this up does is make him sound as if he’s in a weaker position than he actually is. Dana White has the world by the balls, he’s breaking new ground daily, and he needs to resort to bashing this? Why?
typical dana crying like a spoiled 8 year old.
i mentioned on watch kalib run an mma board how ridiculous this video looked. hes obviously alone and not in a press conference which is what hes playing up and the background with the 103 logo is a green screen or that shit the weather guys use.
very lame indeed.
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so i finally saw this. lol he’s talking about boxing as if its a sentient being. “boxing won’t give you pacqiaou-money may”. its not boxing its the fucking promoters
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Sep 10, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
btw i’d rather watch mayweather “dance” around a ring than watching the ground game of MMA
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by battle axe of doom on Sep 10, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
I love the part: I’m a big Boxing fan yet he doesn’t know the name of a legend.
You know what… he sold me. I am going to save my money and buy the UFC PPV to watch 5 fights. Sickle will hide his crossed fingers in hope that the UFC PPV fight will be longer than 2 grown man hugging each other on the floor for a few minutes to be over.
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Big MMA fan but this comment was Low i know mayweather talks trash about MMA fighters but why offend JMM no need 4 that. if he was so sure he was winning the PPV (fight) he wouldn’t resort to standing infront of 1 guy with a cam and have another guy change the green screen into a fake 103 press conference. If anything dana made me realize how good the boxing card looks, and how bad he wants to force may vs pac
Dana makes a habit of trashing everything and everyone he is not making money off. The sad thing is that many of his fans take his word as gospel (see bloodyelbow commentary.) I dont think there is a boxing fan who would take PBF’s ranting as seriously.
We can all take solace in the fact that this has come back to bite him in the ass before. Fedor recently choose not to do business with White who had trashed the world greatest HWT for years.
And youre right, this card is garbage. The co-main event is Cro Cop v Dos Santos, a washed up kick boxer against an undersized puncher they are trying to hype.
check your facts, Dos Santos is definitely not undersized.
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according to this he is http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/8/1020664/is-bulking-up-the-only-option-in. And in the cage, he does not look 245 at all. Frank Mir is 245.
I find it funny, that you all react basically the same as MMA fans when Mayweather or Lampley are trashing MMA.
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I think that while those who adore the UFC may not see the harm in what Dana says, it really galvanizes the opposition against him. Read the post on BE about why strikeforce should go head to head with the UFC based on the fact that Affliction did and Dana created so much press that it exceeded PPV expectations by 80%. Dana’s trash talking turned Affliction into front page news.
Casual fans may not care about FMM/JMM, but if its enough of a threat to garner a Dana White rant, it may be worth checking out.
I think MMA fans see all the flaws of Dana, but no matter how many stupid things he says, Affliction is now out of promoting MMA and UFC is doing more than fine
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I think you missed my point.
JMM is not playing the hype game with PBF. Lucky for him Dana has stepped in to fill that roll.
So boxing fans should be happy, because Dana is doing something even ODH couldn’t do. Instead, most of you are upset and say how UFC/MMA is garbage. :)
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I think if you look at my profile and comments youll see im not exclusively a boxing fan.
However, I am NOT a fan of Dana White engaging in petty hype arguments with a boxer most people in the sport acknowledge is boring and protects his record. Put the better product out there and let the fans decide.
In defense of the UFC, they didn’t want to go head to head with Floyd. It was Floyd/GBP decision to move the fight to that date and Zuffa was not happy about it. UFC 103 is obviously not the best card, because they put all their eggs into 100,101 and 102.
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Hogwash
There’s a huge boxing match on Mexican Independence Day of EVERY YEAR, just like there’s a huge fight on the day of the Puerto Rican Day Parade in NYC. If Mayweather-Marquez hadn’t been rescheduled for that day, some other huge fight would have been made scheduled for that day.
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There aren’t many other possible fights of Mayweather vs. Marquez caliber.
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Now you are kidding yourself
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
What?
Mayweather Cotto, Mayweather Williams, Mayweather Margarito, Mayweather Mosley. Mosley-cotto II, Williams Mosley. There’s a bunch of fights that are at least as big as this.
I wasn't specific enough
There aren’t many other fights of Mayweather vs. Marquez caliber which would have been possible for that date if for instance it had been rescheduled for 26th of September.
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They're stupid too when they do that
It doesn’t change the fact that what White did is unnecessary.
Still, anything that gets the MMA fans talking about boxing isn’t completely bad in my book.
I haven’t seen anyone here say MMA is garbage though. One person says they don’t like it (I don’t really enjoy it either) and a bunch of people bashing Dana White. That’s very different than bashing MMA as a sport.
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well I wasn’t accurate, however one person wrote that he hates MMA even more now and the other wrote that UFC 103 is garbage (It’s not the best UFC card, but it’s pretty decent, all five PPV fights are good).
I always find Dana and Mayweather rants hilarious. When Dana disrespects JMM you can experience what MMA fans feel when PBF says that MMA fighters have no skills.
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I think the guy who wrote he hates MMA is a great example of how Dana has become a mouth piece for the sport (not just his promotion.) PBF is not boxing, he is a boxer. Dana is the personification of MMA to many casual fans. I mean, how often do you hear people (albeit morons) say they “want to train UFC” ? Dana represents the UFC and to many, thats all they know of MMA.
Dana is the biggest star of UFC/MMA and PBF is the biggest star of boxing (at least the most outspoken star). Dana is bigger than Liddell or Lesnar and Floyd is bigger than Bob Arum.
I can assure you that when Floyd disrespects MMA fighters, MMA fans feel that this is boxing attacking their sport. Same thing with Dana and boxing fans.
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And I find it funny...
…that you joined Bad Left Hook to trash boxing fans for trashing MMA fans for trashing boxing fans.
Anyway, you’re completely wrong. If you hung around for more than five minutes, you’d know you won’t find that kind of sentiment here. Many members of this blog are fans of both Boxing and MMA.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I have done front page stuff on both Mayweather and Larry Merchant dumping on MMA before, too. It’s stupid on both sides, and I’ll say particularly in Merchant’s case, as he doesn’t even really have a business reason to do it.
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by Scott Christ on Sep 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than the needless JMM bashing
He’s right about his central point. Boxing gave us the fight nobody was asking for. “The Mexican fanbase” even knew that Pacman-floyd was 10x the fight this one will be.
When Zuffa signed Henderson-Franklin 2 for UFC 103, a bunch of people called it out for being a terrible idea, much like JMM-PBF. And the UFC actually went out, signed the best free agent still on the market (fedor was already gone), and put him in the main event instead.
Say what you want about Dana being a dick, and I’ll probably agree. But his argument is spot-on.
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by Jeremiah Johnson. on Sep 10, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
Like I said, I don’t disagree with his point about the fight not exactly coming from the on demand menu. It’s just the shitting on Marquez that deserves to be called out as a completely useless and obnoxious move. I even understand why he did it, although I also think the idea behind it is dumb.
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"Well Howie, I think I'm going to stay outside and outjab him." -- Tex Cobb telling Howard Cosell how he would approach Larry Holmes
by Scott Christ on Sep 10, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana White is an idiot...
He’s been talking shit about Fedor for years now as well.
Fedor would eat these plastic UFC champions for breakfast. He already beat two of them in the space of one round.
Problem with MMA is you can easily put people into fights where they are clueless.
The last three fights Anderson Silva had he only dominated the last one against Griffin a man that pretty much ran into Silvas fists. The two that kept distance from him fared significantly better.
It’s the same with Chuck Liddell the most dominant fighter in UFC history with the most wins. He beat up on wrestlers and fighters who can’t take a punch. When he started fighting guys who can hit back he lost a few in a row.
MMA will end up going the way of Wrestling at this rate eventually. I mean lets not forget at its height the WWE was an actual real world sport unlike both boxing and MMA. It sold PPV’s around the planet, had Wrestlemania hosted in 60 countries in dozens of languages and was just so much bigger at its height than boxing and MMA combined at their heights(no exxageration, on a worldwide basis there wasn’t a bigger sport apart from football aka soccer).
I don't know about that
With Dana White having a virtual monopoly on the sport, and being as business savvy as he is, he’ll make more even matches when the fans demand it.
Also, it’s almost a given that the overall skill level in MMA isn’t at its peak. People have been boxing under the Queensbury rules for 150 years and it’s been a popular sport for most of that time, so there’s been a ton of time to figure out what does and what doesn’t work. There still seems to be a bit of figuring things out in MMA, simply because there isn’t the same historical depth to make reference to, and as MMA becomes more popular, more athletes choose to go into it, and more fighters develop new and better techniques, the overall skill level should increase and it should theoretically be easier to make even matches between top level fighters.
Plus, it’s not as if there aren’t a fair share of mismatches in boxing as well.
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