Antonio Margarito likely to be licensed in Texas
by Scott Christ on Jan 21, 2010 4:52 PM EST
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Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reports that disgraced former welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito is expected to be given a license to box by the state of Texas, one year after the California State Athletic Commission revoked his license and the license of his trainer, Javier Capetillo. Margarito and Capetillo were caught attempting to load a foreign substance into the fighter's hand wraps in the dressing room before their January 24, 2009 fight with Shane Mosley.
"We cleared everything with the [Association of Boxing Commissions] and we're hopeful that the Texas commission will approve his application, which we're very optimistic about," [promoter Bob] Arum said. "The ABC had to give the OK that an athletic commission is free to license Margarito if they so feel and that the California revocation does not prevent them from doing it in 2010, which it might have in 2009 [before a year was up]. Texas has a letter from the ABC. Now it's up to the Texas commission."
There have been a few folks on our site that have talked about boycotting the Pacquiao-Clottey show if Margarito is included. It looks like Margarito is going to be included. As for me, I'll still order the show. I really don't know how I feel about Margarito returning to the sport. I have zero proof that he ever tried to cheat before, or that he ever did. It's my gut feeling he did, but my gut feeling picked Ricky Hatton to beat Manny Pacquiao. To quote High Fidelity (an original thing to do on the internet, I know), "My guts have s**t for brains."
Still, the fact that it would be the Texas commission doing the licensing really reeks. This is the state that licensed Tommy Morrison, who has HIV. The state that licensed Evander Holyfield's seriously ill-advised comeback after New York suspended his license because he was, in their opinion, no longer fit to fight. The state that gave Edwin Valero a license, which Nevada will not due to medical concerns.
So is it really any surprise that Top Rank is looking to this commission to re-license Margarito? Of course not. Texas lets Laurence Cole referee major fights despite his obvious incompetence over the years. Their commission is a joke.
What's next? Re-examining the case of Panama Lewis? And on the trainer side, there's been no talk of looking into Capetillo's status, at least not yet. You will recall that Capetillo was the intended fall guy, thrown under the bus by Top Rank and the lawyers. I see no one clamoring for his reinstatement, what with him being Saruman Capetillo unleashing his dark arts on the poor and unsuspecting Margarito. For shame, Javier, for shame. Truth is, nobody makes money on Capetillo being on a fight card, and Margarito's presence might. Simple as that.
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Absolute joke that he's allowed back to boxing.
When you consider the potential danger he was willing to put Shane Mosley in that night, it is just impossible to understand how he can be allowed back into the ring.
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WHY AM i NOT SURPRISED?
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by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 21, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
So when they decided to put Pacquiao v. Clottey in Texas
it was because they wanted Margarito on the card for sure and they knew Texas would license him? I’ll buy the fight as well because come March I’ll be swept up in Pac man fever, but this is a joke.
It’s more a nice side effect, at least from their perspective. Pac-Clottey in Texas makes it a special event because Cowboys Stadium is honestly a pretty damn impressive and unique stadium.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 21, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
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this card is now a skip. You shouldn’t be allowed to attempt to bring a weapon into a ring and be allowed to continue fighting.
I AGREE
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---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 21, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’m appalled by the results of the poll so far. I respect peoples’ right to disagree with me, but anyone who buys this card is throwing money at the man who only a year ago committed the same crime that killed Billy Collins. Whether he did it before Cotto or not is beside the point—he was caught red handed doing it once, and once in this case is certainly enough. Just think about Billy Collins before you pay for this fight and consider the alternate ways of watching this fight offered by enterprising internet-surfers. If you buy this fight, you support Margarito. You can’t have it both ways.
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by Matt Miller on Jan 21, 2010 6:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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I too was suprised at the results of the poll but i don’t know why as i know just through living everyday life that there are a lot of immoral people around whose attitude to this would probably be,‘if he can get away with it,why not do it’.These people would say the same of a steroid cheat.They make me sick,and i’m not getting on my high horse here.I’m just saying,any decent person who knows the implications of what ’Cheato tried to do (as shown in the photo above) would surely know that he should never be allowed to box again.I hope the fans in Dallas give him ahostile reception.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 22, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Did His Time
I for One Im Glad to see him Back, he did his Time. Like SC their is no Proof that he Cheated Agaimst Cotto. Cotto Looked the Same After MP got Done with Him.
Trying to
cheat against Mosley with concrete strips over his fists is all that is needed to be banned for life.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 22, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Boycott for me
One year is a slap on the wrist for this crime.
Permanent Ban
Should never be allowed to set foot in a ring again. Like Resto. Like Panama.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 21, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
F'k Margarito
But I won’t let him get in the way by spoiling a great fight by Pacquiao and Clottey. Damn, that Arum is shrewd. He’s force-feeding us Margarito by including him in an irresistible card. But it can come back to bite him. Let’s see. (Damn again I hope a better undercard gets put for this one!)
The only reason why I want Margarito back is for me to see his ass get kicked, like with Mosley. I hope he’s not really that good without the wraps so that he would get what he deserves.
Ticket Sales
Arum Put Margarito their to Help with ticket Sales, cause Pacquiao – Clottey will not Sell 50k Tickets like they are Hoping. Look at how many People went to See him at the Staples center. Lets not Forget that Mosley fought Their with Oscar and Stiil didnt Sell As Many as Margarito. When Margarito fights that Clown he’s fighting he will Knock him Out the Clean Way.
A lot of people who came to watch Margarito before
are no longer fans. I am very skeptical of his remaining drawing power.
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by Drunken cutman on Jan 22, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
“did his time”…..b/c he was caught by a vigilant trainer unlike Cotto had in his corner.
not b/c he capitulated…remember the torrent of bull**** he said afterwards like he didn’t know, it was b/c his hands hurt…..what a joke. if you support the sport, you’ll boycott this event. as consumers, that is your right and your power. don’t ever say again you dislike the grimey-ness in boxing if you support a card with margarito on it. period. by supporting the show you vetoed your right to talk ill of any other underhanded business in the sport.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jan 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions
if you support the sport, you’ll boycott this event. as consumers, that is your right and your power. don’t ever say again you dislike the grimey-ness in boxing if you support a card with margarito on it. period. by supporting the show you vetoed your right to talk ill of any other underhanded business in the sport.
Oh this is bullshit. I have every right to dump on Margarito AND order this card. The “moral obligation” is not on me or any other fan. It’s on Arum for putting Margarito on this card, and he’s going to keep putting him on cards too. Why? Because it’s not going to make a single bit of difference. I’m not going to NOT support a show with a lot of fighters I do like that DO deserve my money simply because Arum put one on there that I dislike. And I’m still going to complain that he’s there.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 22, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is a reasonable sentiment that its not your job to be moral police
but it IS the job of the state ACs to be that. Margarito could have killed mosley (literally) and then he would be charged likely with murder. Then he’s in jail for 15 years and we don’t have to deal with this. Merely because he was caught doesn’t change that there probably should have been criminal charges filed (attempted assault), and since boxing professionally is a priveledge beyond not being charged criminally, the gates should be even higher. The TSAC has sold out their constituency for cash.
This is what I’m saying in the article. The Texas commission is a joke and this solidifies it for all times. And I didn’t mean to sound SO aggressive in the comment above — theworldsoldestsport made a perfectly fine argument that I simply disagree with, and I’m not trying to discredit what was said, just offer a different stance. I’m going to order the card, and I still feel I have every right to dump on Texas, Bob Arum and Antonio Margarito. So oldestsport, I apologize if I came off as rude. That wasn’t my intention. I just don’t feel I should be on the Neighborhood Watch in boxing. But if people want to boycott this card and be vocal about it, OK. That’s their stance.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 22, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would not boycott the PPV for the reasons listed above.I would just boo Margarito all the way through his fight.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
You have every right
to put on a pointy white hat and march down the street. I don’t think anyone said you are not allowed to order or buy a ticket to this fight and ‘dump’ on the fighter/promoter. But let’s be clear, you are supporting Margarito by ordering this fight. Now you can ‘dump’ on him all day, but Bob Arum and Margo just see you directly ‘dumping’ into their wallets.
I’m a little confused as to what you’re saying here. Are you using the ‘why should I vote, it’s only one vote so it’s meaningless’ perspective?
I’m not ordering this fight because I don’t want to financially support this person. If I feel like I need to support another guy on the card who “deserves” my money – I’ll buy his t-shirt.
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Well,
i’m in the UK so we’ll most probably get to see this for free on Sky.The only reason i want to see it is for Manny v Clottey.Thinking about it now i probably wouldn’t pay $50-60 to see this if i was in the U.S. though.
However,i don’t see why Pac fans should miss out on seeing him or experiencing a great venue like the Cowboys Stadium just because Margo is on the card.I would just let him know what i thought of him as a fan.After all,the fans can’t do anything about who gets put on the undercard.
I can totally see where the people who are boycotting this event are coming from and if it was Margo headlining,there is no way i would even watch it for free.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 22, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want the Michael Moore finger-wag over a decision to order a PPV show because it has a great main event. What else should I do? Steal it? I don’t want the shitty quality for an important fight, and I don’t steal fights I can see on American TV.
Should I not watch something I want to see, thus affecting my ability to run this web site as well as I want to (which I do care about), because a deplorable state commission and a greedy promoter are making the morally debatable decision to put a disgraced fighter on a show?
Saying “Hey, if you order this card, you’re basically saying yay Margarito and have no right to ever say anything ever again” is a bit much. That was what I was replying to. Quoted:
if you support the sport, you’ll boycott this event. as consumers, that is your right and your power. don’t ever say again you dislike the grimey-ness in boxing if you support a card with margarito on it. period. by supporting the show you vetoed your right to talk ill of any other underhanded business in the sport.
I think that’s heavy-handed and over the top. Antonio Margarito is not “the sport.” I’m not giving him, the TSAC or Bob Arum near that much credit.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 22, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
yea it’s controversial – my Dad is a true hardcore fan (visits this site, won’t get an account), and he lives in Dallas. Pretty much orders every boxing event available. I know he’s really in a tight spot – he has said he won’t order it, but knowing him I won’t be surprised if he attends. For now, I’m not doing either, but we’ll say – classmate of mine tells me I have “chameleon” values so anything can happen.
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"Margarito will cause me to boycott the event"
Voted this way but it is only one factor among a few why I will not buy this product.
I suppose I'm cast as the darkness, because I comprehended their light not at all; at least not in the way they wanted me to.
Margarito's on borrowed time
If it were left to me, Margo would only be allowed to fight behind closed doors at a local gym – rematching those he ‘defeated’ in the past. I’m sure Martinez, Cotto, Cintron etc would love another crack at him. He won’t be the same bully after the Mosley beatdown.
Texas? The Dubya’ state.. No surprise there. I wouldn’t boycott Pac/Clottey because of one cheating scumbag on the undercard – I’d hope to see karma knock that bitch out cold.
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