Are Mexican boxers losing their edge?
Is the celebrated Mexican boxing culture on a bit of a downturn right now? Ted Sares looks back at a rough 2009 for Mexican and Mexican-American fighters.
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Mexico and Puerto Rico have always been considered elite locales in boxing, but something seems to have changed ever so slightly.
Certainly, Mexican and Mexican-American boxers have had better years than in 2009 when Mexican-American slugger Christobal Arreola was dismantled by Vitally Klitschko (though he is still very much in the mix), Juan Manuel Marquez was schooled by Floyd Mayweather. Jr., Hector Velazquez lost 3 of 4 in 2009, "Action" Jackson Asiku beat Heriberto "Cuate" Ruiz for the vacant IBO featherweight title via the 3 knockdown rule, Steve Molitor beat Ruiz earlier in the year, Celestino Caballero stopped Francisco "Franky" Leal, Vic Darchinyan crunched both Jorge Arce and Tomas Rojas, Simphiwe Nongqayi then beat a come-backing Arce in September after having dispatched Francisco "Panchito" Arce earlier in the year. Later, the iron chin of Librado Andrade was shockingly dented by Lucien Bute, and even monster Alfredo Angulo suffered an upset defeat at the hands of Kermit Cintron. Juan Diaz was beaten at least once by Paulie Malignaggi. Raul Martinez was stopped by Nonito Donaire in April.
Victor Ortiz was stopped by Marcos "El Chino" Maidana, Marco Antonio Barrera lost a TD to Amir Khan, Jhonny Gonzalez was TKOd by Toshiaki Nishioka before coming back with two wins, Nishioka also stopped Mexicans Ivan Hernandez and Genaro Garcia during the year. Chris John beat Rocky Juarez at least once in 2009. And Jorge Barrios stopped Michael Lozada.Tough Hugo Fidel Cázares was held to a draw by young Nobuo Nashiro in September. In still another shock, Aging Jesus Chavez was brutalized by Michael Katsidis and lost two others during the year, Edgar Sosa was waxed by Filipino Rodel Mayol and Ulises Solis was sent to Guadalajara dreamland by the "Hawaiian Punch," Brian Vilroia. In April. Julio "The Kidd" Diaz went 0-2 in 2009 and so did Cruz Carbajal, Ernesto "Baby Face" Zepeda lost 2 in 2009 as well. Kelly Pavlik dispatched Miguel Angel Espino and Marco Antonio Rubio. And of course, we all know what happened to Antonio Margarito when he fought Sugar Shane Mosley.
And to make matters worse, Juan Carlos Salgado, who shocked the boxing world by starching highly touted Jorge Linares, was himself iced by Takashi Uchiyama to start off 2010.
In upcoming fights, Edwin Valero will be the certain favorite when he fights Tony DeMarco and so will Juan Manuel Lopez when he dukes with Steve Luevano.
In summary, Juan Manuel Marquez arguably may be the only elite Mexican boxer out there and he is 35 years old. Thus, it may be up to the likes of Arreola, DeMarco, Juan Carlos Burgos, Humberto Soto, Saul Alvarez, Fernando Beltran Jr, Steven Luevano, Cristobal Cruz, Fernando Montiel, Abner Mares, Hugo Fidel Cázares, Giovanni Segura, Martin Honorio, Humberto Soto, Giovanni Segura, David Lopez and some others to restore what seemed to have been lost luster in 2009.
Will we ever see another Chavez, Barrera, Morales, Vazquez, Arce, Mijares, and both Marquez's again? I'm betting we will, but not before the current resurgence in Thai, Japanese and Pinoy boxing runs its course--or am I being unfair here and this is simply a generational transition?
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Excellent work!
Dear Ted,
I’m very happy with you come back to this beautiful site, and, of course, with this excellent work, as is usual in you… Behind the United States, the greatest boxing in the Americas was from Argentina, but after the ’60 it was back than Mexico, but the Mexicans stills with no great fighters in the great weights (Middleweight and more), and Argentina had a lot in all the divisions; as amateur, Argentina win seven Gold and other seven Silver Medals in Olympic Games…, Mexico is far of this numbers…
by martin sosa cameron on Jan 23, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions
I have a great piece in my new book about Argentina. It indeed has a rich history of boxing and still does. And thank you for your kind word. I am following the path that the best therapy is to keep on writing. I’ll post some stuff on Argentina later in this thread.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Different countries boast of their own great fighters. The English had gritty Nigel Benn and the great Lennox Lewis, the proud Cubans had the flashy Kid Gavilan and "El Feo" Rodriquez, the Nigerians had super talented Dick Tiger and Hogan “Kid” Bassey, the Ukraine has the Klitchko’s and so on. But for gaudy records, great nicknames, legendary fights and especially for high drama, I have always had a great fondness for South American fighters and most particularly, those from Argentina.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Great Article
Tough, but we have some Promising Stars out their and I Hope we they can become great like Chavez,Barrera,Marquez,Olivares, Morales.
I think these things are cyclical
And agree that Mexican boxing will experience a little downtime now.
It could last a year, maybe ten, hard to tell.
Of course it might be that the last decade was the greatest ever for Mexican boxers and, even with future success, the fighters of that country will never again live up to the kind of legendary prowess of people like Morales and the Marquez brothers.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
God points indeed
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome Back, Ted
Ted, glad to see you’re feeling better enough to write. Good article…the current crop of great Mexican is getting a little long in the tooth; but don’t worry…they’ll be two or three new kids who will come along soon and renew our interest and faith in the time-honored left-hook to the liver.
Dan Adams
Correct
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mexican welterweight prospect Saul “Canelo” Alvarez might be one. See thread below.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hi Ted...Great to see you back in action my friend!
I don’t think the Mexican fighters will abandon the scene, but more so, have to share a piece of the great boxing pie; and there is plenty of room for everyone…LOL…The Asians fighters have certainly made things alot more interesting in the lower weight classes—haven’t they…
by The Pinoy Pikey on Jan 23, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions
The Asians fighters have been on a tear. Japanese, Thai, Pinoy and rocking and rolling. Lokk at the ranking at the lower divisions. Something is up.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
The “Drunken cutman” says it all like I was going to . lol . It’ll be hard for the future to live up to the past .
Mr Pikey – it is great to hear you mate , hope all is well with you ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions
The thing is though that Mexico has always had a bunch of top level fighters. The guys from Tepito, etc. The killer z’s, Chavez, but this time they are losing
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions
They are . And none more sweetly to me than the cheating £$%^&* Toney Mags . (not that I have anything against Mexican fighters …….just one )
by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hello Sir Jack! It took me a while to get over here, but I did it…LOL. Everything is fine with me and I hope the same for you! BTW, Happy New Year!
by The Pinoy Pikey on Jan 23, 2010 7:56 PM EST reply actions
And a very happy one to you mate .
Great to see the Pikey on BLH at last
Things are fine with me mate , the thing is it’s very late here and I have a major bash at the Millenium stadium in Cardiff 2mrw night and the plan is to get well slaughted , given I need to be in Leeds Monday morning (opposite ends of the UK) I’m sure you’ll understand I need some shut eye !
Would love to stay and shoot some boxing breeze but I’ve got to crash….catch you soon now the Bad Left Hook bouncers have finally let you in I’ll look forward to shooting that breeze soon . All the best mates .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Jan 23, 2010 8:19 PM EST reply actions
this article hurts
btw the JMM loss in 09 shouldn’t count since that fight never should have been made. god awful
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Jan 23, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
Don’t worry. The cavalry will come. They always will with Mexican boxing.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 23, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not n the form of Steve Luevano—HA
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 23, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
That fight was a travesty.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 24, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
The world and boxing are both in a slump.
Every couple of decades we run into certain crisis matters….. It’s all a cycle…. Right now the entire world is struggling over one thing or another…… In truth, I’m not impressed or thrilled with the new kids on the block….. I see lotsa’ spoiled brats with big money contracts acting the solid pro athletes / players / fighters, etc…. Yeah, its bad……..
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
You are dead right
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Who IS Steve Luevano? If that ain’t an ex-Taxi Driver..Gamboa went nutz on a super club fighter..who had juan ma hurt mad time.
DRMULLEN Says:
Ted, IS king of late night and this board Rocks !
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Raymond, I just found out....
Raymond,
I just found out that Burt Reynolds was born in Waycross, GA. back in ’36……. Do they have a post or sign there in that town?
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
I’ll email this to Ray
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ups and downs to everything.
Mexico is a fight rich country. There will be some major names again. Chris Arreola will not be one of those names. … Well, it’s hard not to make some mark in HW division, but—
Actually, and I know this may surprise you, but I think Arreola could do very well if he stopped eating at 10:00 pm. I mean, aside from Eddie Chambers, who out there could hang with him?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I presume you mean Klitschkos aside
David Haye would be a tough fight for him but I would still pick Arreola. The thing is he will never train and diet properly and, while I would favour him over most heavyweights, I don’t think he will ever come close to a Klitschko.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 24, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. Vlad would dispatch the fat man and Vitali already did. But then it gets kind of interesting.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
And I agree. He lacks mental discipline. He is a street thug, but a very tough one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
He is a street thug
That’s a pretty strange thing to call him. Street thugs kill people and commit crimes. Arreola just eats too much and earns a legitimate living.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 24, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
He is a street thug only in the sense that he is a tough street type of fighter reflecting the fact he lacks gym discipline. As for calling him that, I never pray at the alter of political correctness.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, that’s why I use a moniker. lol
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
And not all street thugs kill people and commit crimes. Some simply roam the ubran landscape looking for trouble. I grew up in one of those landscapes and believe me, I know what a thug is.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions
“To be a true thug doesnt mean wearing “bling”, listening to rap and talking “black”. Being a gangsta isnt superficial.. To be a true thug means you havent had it good your whole life, and you intend to change that, and get out of the ghetto if thats where you are, you do whats right, you dont take shit from anyone, and stand up for your friends and dont let them take shit from anyone! You dont have to be a stereotypical “gangsta” to be a thug, a skater can be a thug, a nerd can be a thug, a hick can be a thug, a prep can be a thug, and old ass man can be a thug! So forget your stupid fucking stereotypes and thinking that everybody has to fit into one group, and be labeled. And i’ll tell you what… Damn it feels good to be a gangster!
Tupac Shakur and Earl Simmons are true thugs." ON THE OTHER HAND, “The English word thug, meaning a violent criminal, comes from the Hindi word thag (and originally from the Sanskrit word sthaga), meaning a thief or villain.”Back in the 1500’s or so ,not really sure about the date, there was a god, in which ladies would come to. They would scarfice items to it, and also cut themselfs and the men would come and still there sacrifics and beat the women and they call themselfs thugs"The original Thugs were bands of roving criminals in India who strangled and robbed travellers. Originally these gangs committed murder following precise religious rites to honour Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction."
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions
"So forget your stupid fucking stereotypes and thinking that everybody has to fit into one group, and be labeled. And i’ll tell you what… Damn it feels good to be a gangster!"
Now that’s maturity……..
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Bottom line, C.A. is no thag,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 8:27 PM EST reply actions
I cant really argue with the gist of the article Ted. When I think of great Mexican fighters I think of fighters from 112 – 130 pounds . At 112 – 126 especially. At 130 – 147 Chavez , Ramirez , and Castillo spring to mind.De La Hoya , Palomino and Cuevas at 147 . Pretty much a bust over that weight except for Yacqui Lopez and Gonzales at 175. Arreola and Joe King Roman arent great heavyweights ;-) I’ve always liked the Argentineans and the Panamanians myself . Panama is near on par with Puerto Rico for its size as a producer of great fighters . Cheers mate .
Article?
All I see is a list of names.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Whoa. Whatyou see is the result of reserach and then a conclusion based on that research. Not a lot of narrative. That was a tad nasty. Bring it on pal. Let’s duke.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 31, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Panama has a rich legacy as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 9:47 PM EST reply actions
19 seconds left in NFL playoof!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions
A pass, a time out and a field go would do it!!!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Arggh. an interception. Arrgh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, Almosy nailed it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 25, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
hmmm… I guess that when you have such an great reputation for continually developing and displaying great/elite/good fighters times like this are bound to happen. Surely they will continue to churn out Garde A fighters but so will other nations. The rise in fighters from former communist countries is an inevitable and it’s only obvious that room must be made for them, room that once belonged to Americans, Mexicans and yes, Puerto Ricans. The training methods in Asia and other countries have improved and it’s begining to show in the belts they hold and the rankings as well. Puerto Rico lost 3 titles this past year but still posess THREE out the SIX they had. Six is an awsome total of titles held simutaniously considering the the Island is only 90×35mi and 3 mil+ habitants. Generally known and accepted as the world’s #1 champion producer but that very distiguished “title” too will be challenged as the years go by, no doubt.
As for Mexico, they probably won’t own the same amount of titles that they have been accostumed to possessing but.. they will remain a very major world force in our sport.
By the way… I’m glad to see Ray Gorden Reid, Pinoy Pikey, Mr Bill and a many other knowledgeable folks are here with on this site with Uncle Teddy.
and you, amigo.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 27, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Pacquiao made the most damage to Mexican fighters
Pacquiao is a Mexican killer. Morales, Marco A. , JMM, Barrios, and Solid. Now there’s no Mexican left for him to beat.
Definitly.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 30, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is one of the most ridiculous articles I’ve read. First of all, it’s true that Mexican boxing isnt at the same peak that it once was back in the 80s and 90s but you have to take into account that the popularity of the sport had been in decline because it was no longer being broadcast on national television. THat has changed now that toprank and other companies have made deals with Mexican tv networks and the sport is starting to grow as a result.
Secondly, It’s pretty absurd to use the loss of random little known fighters like Ernesto Zepeda (38-13) as an example of the decline of Mexican boxing. Mexican fighters participate in title bouts regularly so obviously you’re going to lose some.
You could also do the same with a nation like the Philippines (which you described as being on the rise). Well, two of the best Filipino prospects Michel Rosales and Bernabe Concepcion recently lost, Viloria lost an upset to a little known columbian fighter, Marvin Sonsona was supposed to be the next pac but was stripped of his title and fought to a draw against an unknown.
It also seems to me that you have a bias towards Asian fighters. Japan has a few potential stars but they’re often reluctant to fight outside their country which would limit their exposure and potential success. The Philippines has Pac but there isnt another paper view draw beside him. Thailand?? Um no… not really… The fact of the matter is that Mexico still holds more titles than any of those countries mentioned and also has more top rated fighters competing in more divisions and this is supposed to be during Mexico’s decline. Mark my words, you’re going to see a lot more talent from Mexico in the coming years than currently.
I asked whether I was being unfair,did I not? Moerover, numbers don’t lie.And your comment to wit: “Mark my words, you’re going to see a lot more talent from Mexico in the coming years than currently,” kind of proves my point, doesn’t it?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 31, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not really, you suggested that Mexican boxing was headed downhill and that it may be surpassed by countries like Thailand (????). I stated that it hit a rough patch but despite that, it was still outperforming most nations (including the ones you mentioned) in terms of total champions produced and I see a brighter future ahead.
It seems like you had an agenda when writing this article because you really did stretch in order to make your point. Describing Marquez’s loss to Mayweather as huge blow is pretty absurd given the fact that many people questioned why this fight was even being made. Describing faded Jesus Chavez’s loss to Katsidis as a “shock” is also a bit much. And as i stated before, you mentioned losses by several boxers who were never considered elite. I also disagree with lumping Mexican-born and Mexican American boxers together as one group. They may share the same heritage but they’re products of two different nations.
In any event, it’s hard to predict where the next great Mexican fighter will come from or when he will come on to the scene because most rise to prominence from obscurity.
I never (repeat never) have an agenda when I write a piece. Not my style. As for: “I also disagree with lumping Mexican-born and Mexican American boxers together as one group. They may share the same heritage but they’re products of two different nations,” Steve luenavo always enters the ring with a Mexican Flag as do so many other Mexican Americans. Is there any doubt that Juan Diaz or Arreola do not represent Mexico—or Oscar? BTW, where are you from?
I will admit to a bias for Asian fighters, but I have long ago admitted to that because I lived in Asia in the 80’s and saw many fight there live including two featuring Galaxy and I pretty much know what I am talking about when it comes to Thailand, Pinoy, S. Korea, or Japan, and I’ll try to demonstrate that in my next book.
Now I do accectp your criticism (except the “rediculous” comment) because I did ask at the end whether or not I was being unfair. So you have every right to work that issue. And some of your points are sound ones.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 31, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, Steve Lueveno’s loss fit right in with this article.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 31, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions
“Will we ever see another Chavez, Barrera, Morales, Vazquez, Arce, Mijares, and both Marquez’s again? I’m betting we will, but not before the current resurgence in Thai, Japanese and Pinoy boxing runs its course—or am I being unfair here and this is simply a generational transition?”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Jan 31, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions

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