Bad Left Hook Divisional Rankings Update
by Scott Christ on Jan 24, 2010 6:33 PM EST
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Another week, another update, and some healthy movement in a couple divisions.
Divisions Affected: Featherweight, Junior Featherweight, Junior Flyweight
Featherweight: Obviously, Juan Manuel Lopez moves up from 122 to the 126-pound ranks. He comes in at No. 3, having dominated and stopped previous No. 2 Steven Luevano. Luevano himself slips down to No. 7, which might seem quite a tumble given that he lost to a good opponent, but this is a good division. Like junior welterweight, it's very competitive and pretty deep. A fighter of Luevano's caliber would probably be in the top three at middleweight, for instance.
So who takes over the No. 2 spot? Yuriorkis Gamboa, who I had ranked higher than most do at No. 3 coming into last night. I don't see the need to do this "gotta make him get x amount of wins" stuff with rankings. It's hard for me to justify ranking Yuriorkis Gamboa below someone like Rocky Juarez, for instance, when I know Gamboa would destroy Juarez. It's not like he's some Johnny Come Lately prospect. This is a 28-year-old guy who holds a title (somewhat bunk as it may be) and has run over some good fighters. He also has the lengthy Cuban amateur background going for him. It occurs to me that nobody has ever been shy about heavyweight contender Alexander Povetkin, who is less accomplished, older and frankly just not as good.
With Lopez coming in, former No. 10 Roger Mtagwa drops out.
Junior Featherweight: Nothing really substantial, just former No. 1 Lopez moving up. Celestino Caballero of course inherits his spot, followed by Toshiaki Nishioka, Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, Jeffrey Mathebula, Satoshi Hosono, Olivier Lontchi, Bernard Dunne, Ricardo Cordoba, Heriberto Ruiz, and Wilfredo Vazquez Jr., who makes his first appearance. Vazquez faces Marvin Sonsona in a very interesting fight on February 27 in Puerto Rico.
Junior Flyweight: There goes Viloria. Brian Viloria's upset loss to Carlos Tamara (who wasn't ranked in our top ten) means that the now former IBF titlist falls to No. 6, just ahead of Rodel Mayol. The top five is now Ivan Calderon, Ulises Solis, Edgar Sosa, Giovani Segura and Tamara. Ryo Miyazaki loses his spot with Tamara moving in.
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I don't often completely disagree with the way you have things;
But having Sturm ahead of Gevor at 160 sticks in my craw.
We all know Gevor beat the shit out of Sturm when they fought, and I’d back him to do so again.
I suppose I just don’t want that farcical decision being implicitly condoned in any way, and ranking Sturm ahead of him sort of does that. Not a massive criticism, but for the same reason you have Gamboa ahead of Juarez, you should have Gevor higher than Sturm…..
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
It’s because I didn’t see Sturm-Gevor as wide as some folks did.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 25, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
You sure? I seem to remember you having it 118-110 in favor of Gevor?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
My bad;
It was Brick’s article, not yours.
http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/7/11/946106/sturm-defeats-gevor-via-unanimous
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Which also had one of the best titles in BLH Thread Title history!! :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
And you did have this to say afterwards;
“Gevor is better than Sturm from what I saw today.”
In which case, sir, why is Sturm ahead of Gevor in your rankings? ;) ;)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Because he got the W, has a better resume, Gevor isn’t particularly good, and I hadn’t at that point seen the entire fight, but after I had I think I scored it 115-113 for Gevor. It’s apples and apples, and the guy between them (Sylvester) is really no better, either. I could easily have the lot of them as 3-T.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Jan 25, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody read
Mike Marleys article that says May is not in negotations to meet Pac, seems he doesn’t want a 10 million $ fight loss, jeopardizing a potential 40 million fight with Pac. WTF if he doesn’t fight a top W/W or JM/W soon these boards will be blowing up with hate on FMjr. and deservedly so. Peace!!
I really like these rankings
and feel the common sense approach you use probably makes them the best around.
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by Drunken cutman on Jan 25, 2010 11:07 AM EST reply actions
Two questions...
If you would be so kind as to oblige, SC
How is Pacquiao ranked below Mayweather in the welterweight division, but ranked ahead of him p4p?
If you believe JML will beat Gamboa when they meet, why did Gamboa’s dismantling of Mtagwa boost him ahead of JML in the featherweight rankings?
Just trying to understand the reasoning… thanks.
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Jan 25, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions
How is Pacquiao ranked below Mayweather in the welterweight division, but ranked ahead of him p4p?
Mayweather fake retired as the legit welterweight champion of the world and for whatever stupid reason (and I’m not being sarcastic when I put it like that) that means something to me. I think you could argue quite nicely that Shane Mosley should be No. 1 at welterweight but behind both of them P4P.
Also, when I last did the P4P update, Pacquiao was holding a title at 147 and was the world champion at 140, a post he’s since given up. It wouldn’t and doesn’t change anything now, but that was a part of the reasoning too.
If you believe JML will beat Gamboa when they meet, why did Gamboa’s dismantling of Mtagwa boost him ahead of JML in the featherweight rankings?
I’m actually not as sure about this now as I was before Saturday night, and Gamboa has done more at 126 than Lopez has, although Lopez’s win over Luevano is the best featherweight win for either of them.
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by Scott Christ on Jan 25, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
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