Ted the Bull's Scotch and Cigar Club #2

Tons of great stuff here Ted, but I think you implied that Calderon is Mexican as opposed to Puerto Rican.

you say look out for Anthony Small?!

As far as im aware the fella is all mouth and was terrible in his last outing against a poor opponent

I think he wil almost definitely be a top ten, or even 5, pound for pound fighter in 2 years.

The nose releases honeyed nuts and a slightly sea-induced salty tang

Firstly, who’s nuts? And WTF were they doin’ up someone’s shnoz in the first place..?!!

Spin me some soul-soothing Kyuss – ’ Blues For The Red Sun’.

Meanwhile, we have some who argeu that Manny ahs an opportunity for an “Ali-Moment” at this"seminal" time in boxing, and if Floys is the cause, so then, he should receive credit. Please pass the puke bucket. No boxer should be able to dictate terms to another while a commssion (as in Nevada) has that responsibility. Some say the fans are calling for this random derug reform. Really? Where are they? Who re they? How many of them are out there? Hoards and hoads. Bullshite! This is much adeiu about absilutley nothing and the fight will be made as fights have been made in the past.

An “Ali moment” How very dramatice and wonderful of PBF to provide this seminal opportunity. Eerragghslurl. That was the sound of my vomiting.

GOOD MONDAY TED SCOOTCH SODA CLUB SARES YOUR BUDDY RAY GORDON REID WAYCROSS GEORGIA JAN 1/`11/1955 BADLEFT HOOK BOXING YOUR GLAD TO HAVE A FINE GENTLEMAN LIKE TED HE;S LIKE RICKY NELSON;S OLD SONG TRAVLING MAN IGLAD TOCALL HIM MY BUDDY AMIGO FRIEND ME AND SOMETIME DISAGREEOLN BOXIING FIGHTS REGULARLY ARGUE NO NO TROUBLE ON BOXING 24 TED GLAD HOLYFIELD FRANS BOTHA FIGHT CANCELLED

HOLYFIELD FRANS BOTHA FIGHT was a disgrace, but I would have watched it, Like at a freak show, I would be curious.

A Good BIG MAN Will Always Beat A Good SMALL MAN –A GREAT big man will always beat a GREAT small man.
–Various sources

We’d break him down and beat him up…Floyd can’t break an egg; he’s fragile. He hurts his hands all the time. He has speed, but if he lays on the ropes and rolls his shoulders, we’ll take everything he gives us.
–Roach

Lil Floyd would whoop (him), but to tell you the truth, I don’t think he should fight him…That would be my advice to him.
–Mayweather Sr

Hopefully, no one will take Floyd Senior’s advice and these two will fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on March 13, 2010 in what promises to be another great match between two superstars—this one at a catch weight with a penalty clause. Mayweather 40-0 while Pacquiao is 50-3-2. The fight is expected to be the richest ever, with both fighters earning $30 million to $40 million, depending on television sales. Let’s break it down:

1) The corners: Pretty much a wash though Roach is as savvy as there is, but Roger knows how to work with his nephew.

2) The styles: Somewhat made for each other, Pac Man is the aggressor who will take a punch to deliver one and is a brutal closer. He has an offensive whirlwind type in the tradition of Aaron Pryor while Floyd Jr. is a more "pick you spots" type of technician who is a tactical defender and employs a great elusive ability. Blessed with speed, stamina, power, sharp punching, a solid chin and great defense, he is undefeated and at the top of his game. As a "purist," I find his level of all around skills not only uncommonly high, but exciting to watch as well.

Pacquiao now seems to possess an arsenal the qualitative content and completeness of which only Floyd can stake claim to. With his in-and-out movement, effective jabs, fight-ending hooks from both hands, solid stamina, and a sound defense, there is little to criticize.

3) Ring IQ: Both are savvy and experienced fighters, but I believe Mayweather has an ever-so-slight edge as he can adapt to different situations a bit faster.

4) Level of Opposition:

Manny has fought 10 fights against 6 guys who arguably have a solid shot at being inducted into the Hall of Fame. But he also fought and beat fine other fighters with great records coming in. If you throw a dart at his list of opponents, you might, for example, hit Australian Nedal Hussein (43-5), South Korean Seung-Kon Chae (23-0), Thai Chatchai Sasakul (65-4), Mexican Oscar Larios (56-4-1), Thai Wethya Sakmuangklang (41-3), or Colombian Jorge Eliecer Julio (44-3).

Some of PBF’s victims include Emanuel Augustus, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah, Jose Luis Castillo (twice), Jesus Chavez, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, and, of course, Diego Corrales.

Edge to Manny

5) Common opponents

Both sent Ricky Hatton into Manchester dreamland, but Juan Manuel Marquez gave Pacquiao fits while Mayweather schooled and dominated him. Of course, the opposite happened with De La Hoya. Distinct and important edge to Mayweather here

6) Intangibles

Chin: Manny has been hurt badly but it occurred too far back to be meaningful in my view. Floyd has never really been in dire straits. He has a reliable chin and a great defense that keeps that chin from being tested very often.

Cuts: Manny is more prone to cuts than Floyd who gets the edge here.

Momentum: Pac Man gets the clear nod. He is on a great streak of big wins (Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Diaz, Marquez, Barrera, Solis, Morales, and Larios).
However, Floyd’s body is well rested and his win over Juan Manuel Marquez did nothing to strain it.

Pre-fight "juicing" fiasco: It’s just that, a manufactured fiasco that will have no impact on the outcome of this fight. Indeed, it’s mostly hype intended to build interest in this mega-rich fight.

Catch Weight and dimensions: Favor PBF, but Pac Man has never let that be an issue before. Still, 5‘8", 72" reach vs. 5‘61/2," 67" reach is a big, big advantage

Outcome

My hearts says Pac Man; my brain (and therefore wallet) says Mayweather.

Look, Floyd dominated the guy who gave Pac Man fits, and is naturally bigger and will enter the ring even bigger. I still cannot forget the difference in size between Mayweather and Marquez.

More importantly, when Pac Man beat De La Hoya, Oscar was a shadow of his former self who could not pull the trigger and everyone knew it. He was not the same Oscar who lost to Mayweather. Hatton already had been demolished by PBF and then badly hurt by Juan Lazcano. He was ripe. As for Cotto, many thought the "Ghost of Margo" would play a role–and it did indeed. Cotto was damaged goods by the time Manny got to him. Call it luck, call it master opponent selection by Roach, or even call it cherry picking, it is what it is. Of course, when it comes to picking opponents, PBF does pretty well himself as he seems to retire more often than he fights.

But in the final analysis, I simple cannot see Manny penetrating the elusive defensive tactics of PBF which will include shoulder rolls, strategic clinching (read: holding), spinning, sharp counter punching, and lots of movement. Of course, Manny will not emulate Hatton and allow Mayweather to pot shot him. No one can do that to Manny. Instead, I see what could become a boring tactical match in which Mayweather will do just enough to earn a Majority or Split Decision in a disappointing fight.

However, if Manny can get Floyd to engage in meaningful exchanges, he might have his best chance to land punches from unusual angles. But he needs a willing partner to do his best work. Cotto and Hatton were willing partners.

I hope I’m wrong. I will be rooting for Manny, but………… Mayweather is neither Cotto nor Hatton.
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 Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:08 am Post subject:

 
Thats a good analysis but there is no way this will be a disappointing fight for one simple reason, Pac will be throwing a HUGE volume of punches and be like white on rice and Mayweather will finally lose some rounds and have to fight very hard to win the ones he does.

Originally, I saw Mayweather winning a near shutout and I saw it that way for months but then I started looking at the Castillo, Judah, and Corley fights and I saw sharp, accurate punches not only hurt Mayweather but in the Judah and Castillo fights, Mayweather lost a number of rounds.

So then I asked myself if Judah, Corley, or Castillo’s skills could be compared to Pac and the answer was HELL NO! Not one of those fighters has an edge over Pac in any catagory. Speed, volume of punches, power are all in Pac’s favor over those fighters that clearly had success against Mayweather.

What is ironic is I think they key to beating these guys is evident in Castillo and Morales. Morales used the jab against Pac in the first fight and Castillo used volume against Mayweather in their first fight. Both May and Pac convincingly won their rematches though.

But I am going with the very, very slight edge to Mayweather because of one thing that reduces volume and disrupts rythm….the jab. I think that is the key tool in this fight and Mayweather uses it overtime in the fight.

Ted , I’m going to snip my bank manager and hire you as DJ for my next New Years Eve pissup ;-) .Old Keef Riffhards rhythm guitar playing is on the mark as usual in that vid. I still prefer Mick Taylor to Woody though. I saw Albert Collins in the mid 80s and he blew my mind! The master of the telecaster! Ronnie Earl cooks and Musselwhite who I saw a couple of years ago at the Byron Bay bluesfest is amazing. MY P4P Top 10 is 1. Pacquiao 2. Mayweather 3. Hopkins 4. Dawson 5. Vitali Klitschko 6. Adamek 7. Mosely 8. Tim Bradley 9. Nonito Donaire 10. Andre Ward 11. JMM Marquez 12. Ivan Calderon. I was gunna give you a serve Vlad ;-) But Matt and Scott did it for me LOL Vic is exciting but he’s not top ten p4p , he was smashed at 115 by Donaire and lost to King Kong at 118. He’s not fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as Hopkins. Johnno’s on the money vis a vis Manny v Mayweather. They’ve both gone up the same amount of weight in the last 6 years . I think the Cotto fight rattled team Mayweather . Pac showed power and a beard at 145 , more so than I believed Mayweather and his camp expected. Judah is probably the only other extremely fast , hard punching fighter Floyd has faced and Floyd looked ordinary before Zabs customary mid fight meltdown. I didnt see Ruiz demanding to have Roy Jones tested for PEDs before their fight !!! Dana White has ulterior motives but he was correct on this one . Fighters fight , they dont demand conditions. Young Khan and Haye are the only Pom fighters on the rise in my opinion. I like Frochy but he wont last long . I do think he will beat Kessler . I’m with you on that one Ted . Carl is a bit too rugged for the Dane although Kesslers jab will give Frochy fits.Id go with Vitali v Wlad as my dream fight . I just read Mundine has blamed the IBO for his inability to make 154 ( snicker) . What a waste of talent Mundane has turned out to be. As for Danny Green is he a light heavy or a cruiser? I thought Tarver was fighting James Toney. Boxing is turning into pro wrestling . Green and his management fleeced the Oz public by convincing them that a 41 year old ex middleweight who had been kayoed twice and lost his last 4 fights against world class opposition ( both Tarver fights , Glenn Johnson and Calzaghe) was a worthy opponent. Who next Danny? Why not get Hagler , Marvin still stays in shape ;-) Shout outs to Goaty , Vlad , Matt , Don from Prov , Es , Doc Mullen , Count Billy and the rest of the club .

Shout outs to Goaty , Vlad , Matt , Don from Prov , Es , Doc Mullen , Count Billy and the rest of the club .and the lads from BLH

SW West VA. Ugh. Know where Nitro, WV is ?

Gotta go with the Viking over the Man in Tights…Straight vs telegraphed. No doubt they’ll both stand and bang but Kessler’s shots should get there sooner. Carl likes to play catch-up but needs to listen to his corner.

I’d love to promote Haye vs Tua in 2010. Haye’s pre-fight attempts to intimidate Tua would be comical but nothing compared to the highlight reel KO he’d suffer.

G’Day JC40 – how’s the surf ? Mate, I hear Doug Sam still runs to the deli for his morning paper – whaddya’ reckon Greeny?

Well, almost any. The above thread re Hayden does seem to have stolen the spotlight, but it is understandable.

But most importantly, he (Mullen) is loyal and loyalty counts for everything in my small book.

Ted The Bull was a nickname I picked up for my stubborness. It supposedly was patterend after Sammy the Bull sans 19 murders. The Midnight Rambler came about by my being a Bostonian and staying up in to the wee hours. Just connect the dots.

Kid Blast is my other nickname, but that will take al onger explanation.

Albert “Kid Blast” Gallo, Jr. (born June 6, 1930) was a New York mobster who initially belonged to the Profaci crime family, later called the Colombo crime family, and then the Genovese crime family. Albert Gallo was one of the notorious Gallo brothers who challenged the family leadership in a bloody family war. His brothers were Larry Gallo and “Crazy” Joey Gallo.When I worked and lived in NYC in the 70,‘s, I used to eat at many of the mobbed up restaurants on Presidents St. in South Brooklyn and came to be intrigued by Blasts’s 50’s style doo wop, albeit deadly, persona with his slicked back hair and loose fitting clothes.But I ddi not know him. He is older than me by about 6 years but still reigns supreme in the area. Those were fun days for me. NYC was wild in the 70’s and so was I.

It’s all in The Mad Ones: Crazy Joe Gallo and the Revolution at the Edge of the Underworld (Hardcover)
~ Tom Folsom Tom Folsom (Author)

Anyway, that’s how I came to be known as Kid Blast among my East Coast Friends.

Buzzsaw

Joe got shot at a Clam House in Little Italy. Columbo got shot at an Italian Day Parade.

I think it was called Umberto’s Clam housr and they were eating scungili at the time. Lot’s of red sauce.

Prov, If you ever visit Brooklun, let me know and I an direct you to some marvelous places in which to dine.

ERR, Brooklyn

You blokes have got me singing bloody " Joeyyyyyyy , king of the streets " . Shame Dylans’ voice sounds like a cat being drawn and quartered. The surfs been cranking Goaty , Albert Collins and his 500 ft guitar lead Prov ! The crowd did a conga line out into the street behind Collins . Count Billys just keeping it real lol Someone has too . Cheers blokes , time to have a bludge at work .

Someone has too!?

“Joey” is a song from Bob Dylan’s 1976 album Desire. It was written by Dylan and Jacques Levy, who collaborated with Dylan on most of the songs on the album. In a 2009 interview with Bill Flanagan, Dylan claimed that Levy wrote all the words to this song.Like another long song on the album, “Hurricane”, “Joey” is biographical. The song is about the life and death of mobster Joey Gallo, who had been killed at Umberto’s Clam House in Little Italy, on April 7, 1972."

Geek, I kind of gree with your last paragraph to wit:“Floyd is not ‘rational’ by normal standards. Whether one wants to call it an act similar to Nixon-Kissinger ‘Madman Strategy’ or whether one wants to call Floyd a narcissist who must impose his will on everything around him, the results are the same. He gets everything he wants, every way he wants it. Or he takes his ball and goes home.”

As or Pacquiao he has never flinked as juice test to my knowledge.

Bottom line; anyone who walks away from 40 million needs counsel and advice. In th short run , this will help MMA methinks.