Mosley and Mayweather sign on the dotted line
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 9:54 AM EST
in News Analysis
98 comments
First came the talk. Then came the word that an announcement was imminent. Then we learned that the two had reached terms.
Now, the fight is signed. Shane Mosley will defend the WBA welterweight title on May 1 against Floyd Mayweather Jr. in an HBO PPV showdown from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. A press conference in New York is expected within the next week.
Whatever your feelings are about Mayweather (40-0, 25 KO), you cannot deny that he's taking quite possibly the biggest risk of his career with this fight. Mayweather probably gets more guff than is really deserved, but it comes with the territory of being a major star and such an obviously great boxer. This time, with the Pacquiao fight falling through, Mayweather has stepped up to the plate and taken the sort of challenge we want.
I don't see anyone questioning Mayweather for taking this fight, and if they do, whatever. You can't please everybody, but I think for most of us, this is the type of fight we've asked for out of Floyd, especially in this comeback. Mayweather doesn't seem like the type of guy who is going to want to be boxing when he's 40 years old, so time is somewhat limited. If he's going to fight, then take good fights.
Mosley (46-5, 39 KO) is a whole new challenge for Floyd, just as Floyd is a whole new challenge for Shane. Make no mistake here. No matter how good Mosley still is after a year-plus out of the ring, this is not Antonio Margarito, this is not Ricardo Mayorga, this is not Miguel Cotto. This is Floyd Mayweather Jr.
What intrigues me most about this is that these guys have built their careers largely on their hand speed. There's a lot more to both of them, but when I think of the two of them, I think speed first.
And when they fight on May 1, they're going to both be facing the fastest guy they've ever fought. The only guy on Floyd's record you might argue for is Zab Judah, and on Shane's there's no one like Floyd. It's been a long, long time since Mosley really faced anyone with notable speed, in fact, and the thought creeps into my mind that maybe Mosley isn't quite as fast as we think he is. Particularly in his last two fights, it's not hard for a guy with even mediocre speed to look blazing against Margarito and Mayorga, two really slow guys.
Then again, maybe Shane is every bit as fast as we think he is.
I love this fight. I really do. And I can't wait to see it. Mayweather is taking a challenge and I commend that. This is a fight boxing fans have been dying to see for a decade. Maybe it's a bit late, but I don't think it's too late.
0 recs |
98 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
FINALLY!!
Although they are not in the ring yet I’m giving Floyd the benefit of my considerable doubt he would ever face a quality W/W, this is light years ahead of his JMM fight in terms of competetion. Finally Mosley gets a big fight and he CAN win this fight, woulda’ liked to have seen it 4-5 years ago but I’m not complaining. Hopefully the winner gets the Pac-Clottey winner and we have another exciting W/W match this fall. Peace!!
the thought creeps into my mind that maybe Mosley isn’t quite as fast as we think he is
Gotta agree. I am really struggling to see how this one goes. On one hand I’m not really convinced how well Mayweather will handle the level of adversity which Mosley will show him. Another poster (I think it was BAOD) recently asked when the last time Floyd actually took a clean punch to the face was, with the implication that he doubted how well Mayweather would react to getting hit flush by Mosley, who hits pretty damn hard and with good accuracy.
On the other hand Mayweather is to my mind going to be able to outspeed and out maneuver Mosley who didn’t look all that mobile against Margarito, he still looked great though! Compounded with this are the tactical factors; Richardson and Mosley have a lot of boxing brainpower between them but so do the Mayweather family.
My prediction is that Richardson will cook up for fairly original plan probably involving heavy emphasis on working the body and trying to get inside on Floyd and Mayweather will, well, just be Mayweather.
Right now I expect a split decision win for Mayweather which some people will not be happy with but will be justifiable. However yesterday I reckoned a late KO for Mosley so who knows what I’ll be thinking come fight night!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions
I’ll be rooting for Shane all night, but I think Mayweather will be too fast, too sharp and too young. He’ll make Mosley miss and then make him pay with counters, enough to gain a UD victory. Shane will have use the jab relentlessly to keep Floyd off balance and to blind him to power shots. And he will have to pace himself, as Floyd doesn’t tire.
Yeah.
Should be a good fight but i’ve got to go with Mayweather for the reasons you listed plus the fact that he’s just too good.Shane’s age won’t help him and even if he can match his performance that he had against ‘cheato,he will miss with a lot of the same punches that landed in that fight.
I’m not saying that Mosley doesn’t ahve a good chance cos he obviously does,but i just can’t see him getting past Floyd.
116-112,maybe 115-113 Mayweather,for me.Something like that.I hope Shane gives him a tough fight though.
Really looking forward to this one.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions
I can't help but see this is as a very tough matchup for Mosley..
..He’s always found it tough against good defensive boxers, as shown against Winky and Forrest. His last 5 or 6 fights have all been against guys who just walk forward with minimal defence; Floyd poses such an enormously different challenge that its very difficult to see how Shane will react. Another problem for Shane is that his jab has never been that good: although it was quite effective against Margarito, its always been more of a flicky-range finder than a punch to drive a guy back. Floyd struggles against a guy with a strong jab that keeps him penned back; whether Shane will be able to establish a rhythm with a jab, I’m not so sure. Makes for a very interesting and watchable fight, nonetheless, but I’m going with Floyd by unanimous decision or even a sneaky late stoppage (unlikely given Shane’s incredible chin, but I’ve just got a feeling Floyd lands a lot of shots in this one).
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by OliGold on Jan 30, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can’t you make an argument that both are still at the top of their game?
Not really. I think Mayweather has probably been better in the past and I know for a fact that Mosley has. Just because they’re both still outstanding — which is why I said it’s not too late — doesn’t mean they’re “at the top of their game.” They aren’t.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s quite difficult to assert whether Mayweather is in his prime or not, to be honest. Mosley, despite a definite renaissance against Margarito, certainly isn’t.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
We
don’t know yet how close to his peak Mayweather still is.I would guess very close.It was hard to tell from the Marquez fight because although Floyd looked great,he was obviously fighting a smaller guy who is probably on the downslope.Mosley is past his very best but had his resurgence against Margo and could suprise some people.
Like i said i think Mayweather is probably at or just past his peak.Athletes like him who never get out of shape usually have long careers.Plus he’s never been in any wars.
This is a great fight and i have nothing negative to say about it.They are both top 5 P4Pers and will put on close to as good a fight as they would at any stage of their careers.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He won't be ducking nobody
"Floyd tried to fight the guy everyone thought was the best guy available and we couldn’t get that fight done, so we went to the next guy on the list," Ellerbe said. "As I’ve said many times, when Floyd decided to come back to boxing, he did it to be in major events. He’s going to face all of the top welterweights and one by one, knock them all off."
Like last year when he took out top welterweight Juan Manuel Marquez
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Or the year before that, where he retired rather than fight Cotto or Mosley for only about $10 million
Or before that, when he had light welterweight Hatton move up to a weight where he’d already failed
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The point is
I think he had the intention of coming back to fight all these fighters people are accusing him of ducking
I hope so
He’s certainly capable of beating a lot of them, probably all of them.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
And he started with Marquez, so consider me at least a bit skeptical still even though I’m psyched about this fight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
Would you jump in the ring with a top fighter after a two year lay off?? You could make the argument that he could have fought a lower level welterweight but JMM brings more $$$ then say a Collazo or Cintron. Just saying it was a better business decision.
by erod on Jan 30, 2010 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I won’t believe this fight is happening until they’re actually in the ring….but given that, I’ll actually give Floyd props for taking this fight, as this will be by far the most compelling Mayweather matchup in years. Perhaps the fallout from the whole Pacquiao mess has messed with Floyd a little bit, since taking this fight appears to be a very un-Mayweatherish move. Whatever though. Now as long as Shane knocks Floyd the f*ck out, I’ll be a happy man.
Mayweather is nothing like Wright or Forrest .
Winky Wright is a 5 ft 11 southpaw with very long arms , an incredibly good southpaw jab and the physique of a middleweight . Vernon Forrest is a 6 ft 2 welterweight with tremendous punching power and an incredibly long jab . Wright has barely ever taken a backward step . Neither of them have styles that are in any way similar to Mayweather . Ocelot is pretty spot on in my opinion . Its hard to see a 38 year welterweight beat Mayweather but if Shane fights a very disciplined fight , uses his jab consistantly and uses his reach he could make Floyd make mistakes and take advantage . Like all pure counterpunchers Floyd is susceptible to being outjabbed by a disciplined smart boxer . Shane needs use his jab , try and get a points lead early and perhaps unleash his versatile right hand after the sixth or seventh round . If this fight was Mosely when he fought De La Hoya the first time vs a prime Floyd I’d put my house on Sugar Shane . Brother Nazeem is an extremely clever bloke at developing the right fight plan for the right opponent . Lets hope he has a good plan for Mayweather . Cheers Blokes .
My point isn’t that Mayweather is at all similar to Winky or Forrest, the point is that against excellent defensive boxers, Shane has struggled.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by OliGold on Jan 30, 2010 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great points JC
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughtful post.
I like how you drill down into the details of their various defensive styles.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
He isn't, neither is Cotto and Mosley lost to him, too.
Mosley lost a close decision to Miguel Cotto. As weak a defense as Cotto presents, Mosley didn’t seem to find the hole he was looking for and he was constantly pressing the action as he remained in the pocket for twelve rounds. If Mosley is looking to turn his fight with Mayweather into a slug fest ( i.e. Mayweather-Castillo I ), he better alter his game plan or have a fourth or fifth gear because Mosley barely outpointed Mayorga until he caught him in round twelve. If Mayorga is capable of landing the right hand — the same right hands that Winky and Vernon manged to land on him as well, Mayweather’s own straight right is going to find it’s home early.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not completely shutting Mosley out. I just don’t see him winning as decisively as some may think. Some are going as far as to using ‘Margacheato’ as the measuring stick. I find it difficult to use a man, who some considered to have a granite chin, as a measuring stick that finds countering punches with his face a choice of strategy. Mosley will be on his feet ( by feet, I mean moving constantly ) for all twelve rounds, cutting off the ring ( he could try ), attempting to offset Floyd’s Philly Shell, Hitman or Crab style Defense ( some say the defense originated from Michigan ). I don’t see it happening. Floyd will see the holes in Mosley game, exploit them early and cruise to a unanimous twelve round decision.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
It was announced last night on FNF that they both agreed to random blood tests. If that’s the case, and they actually occur, then it will difficult for Pacman to decline the same testing program against the winner.
I really don't think it changes anything.
It’s fighters from the same stable collaborating to produce pressure on a fighter from another stable. Kind of a standard maneuver.
What it might do is provide incentive for the AC’s to seriously consider overhauling their testing procedures. If the AC required (fill in the blank testing procedure) then there wouldn’t be a problem anywhere for anyone. The fight would simply happen.
Unfortunately, I don’t see that line of progression coming to fruition in time to resolve the impending Pac/Mayweather re-negotiations.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 31, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
mosley
I think Mosley’s power has gotten better with age. He knocked out Mayorga and Margarito in his last two fights, two guys with iron chins…I think he can hurt Floyd if he can hit him, which is hard to do, but Nazim Richardson will get him committing more to the jab to set up other shots…
I agree,
Nazim could well be a big factor in this fight.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Mosley is a powerful guy and punches with good accuracy
If he sets his punches up well then he’s in with a shot of badly hurting Mayweather.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Mayorga had a good chin years ago, but it’s nothing special anymore and hasn’t been since Trinidad beat the crap out of him, followed by Oscar beating the crap out of him.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Mosley
has always looked good as a welterweight,imo and his few disappointing peformances have come when he went up to 154.Even when he lostthe welter title to Vernon Forrest,he was resonably competitve in the 1st fight and showed a lot of guts.The second fight just proved that Forrest had his number.Similar case with Winky Wright though,like i said i think Shane never looked good at light-middle.
Plus those two guys were two of the most avoided in boxing at the time,so there is absolutely no shame in losing to them.
Mosley’s experience at this weight could count for a lot in this fight.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST reply actions
I think Mosley is going to dominate.
At 147 Mosley is the strongest in the division. He has never really lost a fight, The Cotto fight was fight that Cotto ran away the last 4 rds and still got the win (more because PR day at the Garden) he KO everybody when he fought at 147 and below. Mosley wins. And now we see why PBF never wants to fight people his size.
Boxrec
have got the Marquez v Khan fight as the co-main event for Mosley v Mayweather.
Not sure i can see that coming off.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions
That would be awesome!
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
It’s not going to be on the same card. Marquez-Khan is being looked at for May 15.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
That would be brilliant
Boxrec are notorious for putting up fight info based on rumours or sometimes compeltely inexplicably.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,i just checked
again and they have also got Khan v Maidana down for April 3.
Boxrec make rumours and hearsay official :).
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Jan 30, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Shane should have trouble with the defensive smarts,
speed, and mobility of Floyd, but Floyd is not a big fighter like Forrest or Wright and Shane has heart and smarts if nothing else at this point: that’s to say, he could win—and thus the fight is an interesting one. Am I wrong in thinking that I recall Shane—who was out jabbed by Cotto—doing a very good job of jabbing with Oscar? Shane has the trainer and some of the tools to put together an excellent plan. And I do wonder how Floyd will react if he starts taking some consistent shots: He’s never given me a reason to doubt that the steel was there, but his out of the ring prima-donna act, not having a history of being pushed hard, and what looks to me like an obsession with not losing is 0, adds up to a give me a few questions anyway. Admire them both greatly in the ring and look forward to the fight.
I think this fight is going to be a great fight to talk about
Especially with people mentioning doubts about Mayweather’s ability to react well to being hit cleanly by power shots and the tactical influence of Nazim richardson. I think I will start an analysis/predictions fanpost tomorrow; I’m far too tired now!
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 30, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent
Everything about this fight is going to be good.
Pre-fight smack talk – They only have 10 years of material
24/7 Quality – Nazim and Mayweather, it is impossible for this to be boring/uninteresting
Undercard – GBP and Mayweather seem to like to put together some good undercards, hope for more of the same
Trainers – Nazim is great and Floyd essentially trains himself. However seems pretty good at that.
Fighters – The speed and defense of Floyd vs. the power and experience of Mosley
Location – Gotta love Vegas (aka easy plane ride for me!)
According to Greg Leon (not the world's most reliable source)
The fight has an immediate rematch clause should Mosley win.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gotta protect the legacy of the "0"
I suppose. I don’t know why, but that type of clause never really sat well with me.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 31, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I’m actually a lot more excited for this than the Pac-Clottey fight. Biggest challenge for Mayweather since the Castillo and Corrales days. I’ll take Floyd in a UD.
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies, I sincerely urge you all to stay in school." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
Best available fight
But I don’t see Mosley hitting Mayweather. Hell, I barely see Pac-Man hitting Mayweather. I see Floyd taking a fairly easy UD here.
Just ask Juan Manuel Marquez,
Marquez said in his post-fight interview with the HBO commentators that he found it hard to hit Mayweather because he has spectactular defense. He went on to mention that Pacquiao would have trouble as well. I would take Marquez’s word over anyone elses.
And I agree with you 100%, for the record.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
He might be right, but I’m not using the extremely slow 144-pound Marquez as a measuring stick of guys being able to hit Mayweather. Not that anyone else hits Mayweather, either…
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 30, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Judah did a little
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 31, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
A little?
Judah put Floyd’s glove on the canvas. That’s a knockout if my knowledge of the sport is correct, however, wasn’t ruled a knockdown.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
I really think it was a slip
And I have rewatched the first three round so that fight many times whilst analysing Mayweather for various reasons. Also Judah landed 11 power shots over the first two rounds and 55 (may be slightly more or less) in the whole fight. So yeah, a little.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 1, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Slow?
No, I think you got it mixed up. Floyd made Marquez look slow because Mayweather’s punches were so crisp and refined after his 18-month layoff. Aside from Judah, Mayweather against anyone; getting off first, will look like they’re punching at a snails pace.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
When has Marquez ever been “fast”? Juan Diaz made him look slow. If you don’t think Marquez was slow against Mayweather, I don’t know what fight you watched. He looked like everything he was doing was underwater. Marquez against Mayweather looked slow in comparison to Hatton against Mayweather, or Oscar against Mayweather, or Castillo against Mayweather. Marquez looked like Gatti or Baldomir. It was horrible.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 31, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
?
I never insinuated Marquez had fast hands. It’s apparent Marquez’s hands against Mayweather were slower.
Aside from Judah, Mayweather against anyone; getting off first, will look like they’re punching at a snails pace.
Fact ^
Marquez’s gameplan against Juan Diaz was to counterpunch. When Marquez did get off first, he beat Juan Diaz to the punch. Rewatch the fight. In most cases, I would think landing before your opponent would mean you were faster. Not faster overall.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
If he’s going to do it he’s got to hit him early. I personally don’t think Mayweather is the quickest fighter in the world (he is quick though), but I do think he has the best timing of any fighter. If Mosely can get to him early, before Floyd can get his timing down and start anticipating everything, and maybe take 4 of the first 6 rounds, well now Mayweather is going to have to be aggressive and this will take him out of his comfort zone. Shane might be able to turn this towards a brawl, and if that happens he’s got a chance. Of course, that still is a lot of mights and ifs to overcome.
As far as hand speed and nothing else? Amir Khan and Devon Alexander are blindingly fast. Manny Pacquiao is very fast. Zab Judah is still really fast. There are arguments that aren’t Mayweather, though Floyd is definitely in the conversation.
Where Mayweather trumps them all is not pure hand speed, but combining that with a great ability to move around the ring, and the fact that he’s an extremely smart, clever fighter. He’s really fast, and IMO uses his other strengths to make himself look even faster.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Zab.
Zab out-punched Mayweather early and even managed to put Mayweather’s glove on the canvas. However, I understand Zab is known to blow his load early and amounts to nothing in the latter rounds. Even if Shane managed to turn the fight into a brawl, Mayweather’s technical prowess and ability to land punches with such precision make him dangerous in the pocket — even for a brawler. You have to understand Mayweather’s ability to create space in-close. Using the arm to push off and score insides shots. I could comfortably say that this may be a difficult fight for Floyd, however, an even more dangerous and difficult fight for Shane.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
managed to put Mayweather’s glove on the canvas.
I’m almost certain that was a slip. I also think that judah was faster then than Mosley is now and, more importantly, they are very different boxers who use their speed in seperate ways. In addition to this I am always reluctant to use the Judah fight as he really didn’t do that well and arguably only won 2 rounds, no more than 3. Mayweather solved him and adapted quickyl and effectively.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 31, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
No.
Rewatch the fight, Floyd was clearly left hooked, the punch put Mayweather off-balance and the only way to keep himself from falling was to place his glove on the canvas which is technically considered a knockdown.
I agree, I say Judah has the fastest hands in the WW division. He outpunched Cotto, outpunched Mayweather in the early rounds but ultimately lost. And the only reason Mayweather adapted to Judah was because Judah doesn’t know how to pace himself through twelve. It’s like he loses concentration and gives up. I still say to this day that if Judah fought a better fight against Mayweather — Mayweather would have been either kayo’d or lost by unanimous decision.
And Judah was doing work rounds one thru four until he fell off.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
It’s like he loses concentration and gives up. I still say to this day that if Judah fought a better fight against Mayweather — Mayweather would have been either kayo’d or lost by unanimous decision.
It’s not that he loses concentration and gives up, it’s that when he meets any real resistance after about six rounds he loses his spark. What you’re really saying is “If Zab Judah was a different and better fighter…”
Dude is still fast though.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Jan 31, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Im thinking all that “legacy vs money” talk that has been going on around Mayewather has started to get to him. Its starting to sink in that saying your the best is one thing proving it is another.
I have new respect for Mayweather by going after Pac and now stepping up and going after Mosley. Better late than never.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
and again Im picking Mosley by UD
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
+1
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 31, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
As with any combat sport,
styles make fights. I can see avenues to victory for Mosley, but for sure Floyd is the favorite.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jan 31, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
No.
Styles do make fights — unfortunately Shane’s style will not help him in his fight against Mayweather. The only way I can see Shane taking Floyd out of his comfort zone is if he turns this into Floyd’s first fight with Castillo, Floyd has grown in leaps and bounds since then. However, I doubt Shane will even attempt to move in on Floyd without the risk of being out-punched and basically out-maneuvered.
Shane has a chance; just not a great one. Then again — just about every opponent Floyd has gone up against, whom Floyd was supposed to lose to; he’s beaten. Shane is no different. This ass whoopin’ has been in the making for ten years.
Floyd by a lopsided UD.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
I don't know
I think that as styles go Mosley’s has probably the best chance of beating Mayweather. I would pick prime Mosley to beat prime Mayweather.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 31, 2010 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Yeah, and Hatton’s brawler-style and presistent pressure was suppose to make Mayweather fight every second of every round.
Well, they were right. Hatton didn make Floyd fight every second of everyone round until he was figured out and out-pointed then KTFO.
As for your latter comment. LOL. Mosley was ducking Mayweather at Lightweight when Mayweather was at Jr.Lightweight. However, when Mosley moved up to WW from LW, he used steroids plus EPO, so yes, a prime Mosley would beat a prime Mayweather.
But to say Mosley is out of his prime now after defeating the kingpin of the WW division; Margacheato — is a little harsh. He was the #1 WW until Pacquiao was suddenly given the spot for no particular reason other than he’s Pacquiao and he’s a fan favorite. Mosley is in as good as shape as ever, as is Mayweather, it still makes for a fantastic match-up.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Wow
You’re right I clearly know nothing about boxing and I bow to your superior knowledge.
Please don’t “lol” at my, or other people’s comments, as you do several times in this thread, it is disrespectful and rude. Obviously I’m not in a position of authority here but this board is excellent and a big part of that is the civility we practise when commenting.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 1, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Mosley couldn't dominate Cotto he won't have a chance against Margarito
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm wondering if Floyd can keep Shane off of him for 12 Rds.
At some point Floyd is going to get hit and if it’s flush I expect to see a repeat of RJJ-Tarver, RJJ-Johnson. I don’t think his chin is going to be very good and it’s going to shock him. It will be a foreign concept to Floyd and he won’t know what to do.
This is the fight Shane’s been waiting for his whole life, the fight that will cement his place in boxing history if he wins. The shape he’ll be in, the fight plan he’ll have, not to mention the confidence he always has, will carry him to victory.
Hell, Shane by stoppage inside of 10!! There will be a lot of slack-jawed people staring at flat-screen tv’s in disbelief.
by SmittytheCutman on Jan 31, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions
No chin?
Mayweather said the hardest he’s ever been hit was by DeMarcus Corley. The fight is on YT, he was punched flush in the face and stunned. Mayweather regained composure and went on to win by TKO. In the case of Shane — I HIGHLY DOUBT, and find your comparison of Mayweather to RJJ to be downright horrid and bad, Shane will put Mayweather in any position that means the difference between winning and losing. The real question is: Can Shane fend off what Mayweather will offer, and how will he react? I can tell you now. Once Mosley starts to get hit and hit a lot. You will see shades of Wright/Forrest that night. Shane is no where near Mayweather in terms of Boxing ability, speed and talent. Shane is a knockout artist, Mayweather is a Boxer first.
Timing >> Speed >> Power.
Mayweather: Speed, Timing
Mosley: Power
Power is all Shane has. Nazim Richardson and Mosley can go on and on how they have the recipe to defeat Mayweather. I won’t believe it until I see it. Yet, everyone acts like Roger doesn’t know Mosley better than Brotha’ Nazim knows Mosley — I can tell you that finding a training partner that can mimic Mosley is easier than finding a fighter than can mimic Mayweather. The Mayweather’s are masters of analyzing a fighters strength and weaknesses. Floyd basically trains himself, Roger has full faith in his nephew’s abilities and knows Shane doesn’t have what it takes to dethrone one of the greatest Boxers to ever grace the squared circle.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Well,
Corley a power puncher? Really? I’d bet Mosley hits quite a bit harder, therefore if Mosley was stunned by “Chop-Chop”, he’d be KO’d IF Mosley hits him in the same manner.
Can Shane fend off what Mayweather will offer, and how will he react?
When has Floyd been a pressure fighter? Surely you don’t feel he’s going to bust pipes with this sudden pressure. Mayweather is a counterpuncher first and foremost. Mosley wont have to fend off a whole lot of pressure because, in applying pressure Floyd would have to turn this into a brawl which he does not have a history of doing.
Mosley is going to suprise folks again. First he wasn’t supposed to be Margarito (Disclaimer: In no way am I comparing Floyd to Margarito here) and he really isn’t supposed to beat Floyd.
Don From Prov, Why do I feel Floyd’s chin is similar to RJJ? Because he’s not used to going out there and getting chin-checked. These guys go so long without getting hit flush that when they do, they forget how to react. It’s kind of an ‘oh shit…what just happened moment’ that if you’re not used to, can take you completely out of your element.
Ryan, We all have our opinions my friend….but baseless? (smile)
by SmittytheCutman on Feb 1, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Smitty--
Why do you think that Jr. is going to turn out to have a Roy Jones chin?
Smitty's statement is baseless...
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
At this stage of Mosley’s career, Floyd has every advantage but power. And Mosley’s power won’t come into play because Floyd will make Shane miss. Floyd’s a better boxer, is faster, younger, has much better defense and is one of the best conditioned fighters in the sport. Mosley is an atg and has as much or more heart than any fighter in the game, but it won’t be enough against Floyd. That said, I’ll be on the edge of my seat rooting for Shane to knock Floyd out.
LOL
At this stage of Mosley’s career, Floyd has every advantage but power. And Mosley’s power won’t come into play because Floyd will make Shane miss. Floyd’s a better boxer, is faster, younger, has much better defense and is one of the best conditioned fighters in the sport. Mosley is an atg and has as much or more heart than any fighter in the game, but it won’t be enough against Floyd. That said, I’ll be on the edge of my seat rooting for Shane to knock Floyd out.
Sorry you’ll end your night disappointed.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Monday morning ramblings .
Ryan , no 38 year old welter is in his prime . That is ludicrous . If I wanted to be a bomb thrower I’d suggest that in the eyes of everyone except the judges Jose Luis Castillo did defeat Mayweather in their first fight and that this statement " Then again – just about every opponent who Floyd was supposed to lose to he’s beaten " is a silly one .Floyd picks opponents he knows he can beat, instead of a challenge. Its been his modus opperandi since he won the 130 pound title. The most difficult opponents at 130 for Floyd stylistically were Casamayor and Freitas . Guess what Floyd didnt fight them . I’ll give him big credit for fighting Castillo at 135 . The Mexican at that stage was very good but no Chavez. Why Floyd gets any kudos for beating Gatti at 140 I just dont get . Angel Manfredy had already stopped him . De La Hoya was criticized for annihilating Gatti a full 4 , yes I repeat 4 years before Mayweather did so. Shamba Mitchell had already been destroyed TWICE by Kostya Tszyu , another fighter in these weight classes Floyd managed to avoid . Judah ( who gave Floyd trouble ) had already been flattened by Tzyu and outpointed by Corey Spinks and by Carlos Baldomir and was stopped by Cotto two fights post Floyd . Floyd then lost rounds to the shell of De La Hoya in an unimpressive performance .( Look at what Pac did to Oscar ). Hatton was a nice win for Floyd but in reality he was never what I would consider an A grade world champion . Look at the Collazo and Lazcano fights . Then Floyd beats up an aging bloke two divisions smaller than him and still cheats at the weigh in . Mayweather is a brilliant technical boxer but his resume is mediocre for a great . I’ll compare Shane and Floyds best opponents . Mosely fought the prime De La Hoya at 147 twice ( Shane went up from 135 for the first fight) , Vernon Forrest twice at 147, Winky Wright twice ( at the time a monster at 154 that nobody wanted to fight ) , Mayorga , Vargas ,Cotto , Margarito . All 4 of these blokes are naturally bigger fighters. than Mosely . Thats 10 extremely dangerous fights .Floyds resume isnt on the same page basically. Genaro Hernandez had already been smashed by De La Hoya and was a 32 year old. Corrales was a good win but Diego is stylistically made for Floyd and is not exactly Duran or Mosely at 130 .The second Castillo fight was Floyds best fight in my opinion . A good win against a fine world champion who wasnt old or at his wrong weight . Judah , Gatti , Baldomir , the past it De La Hoya and Hatton . Not the resume of a great fighter . Cheers blokes . I still think the 6 years younger Floyd should win but Mosely has a shot . Use the jab Shane , use the jab !
You’re exactly right. Shane has to put the jab in Floyd’s face every round, to try to keep Floyd off balance. If he doesn’t it’s going to be an easy night for Floyd. The absolute worst thing Shane could do is come right out of the gate looking for a KO. It didn’t work against Cotto and it won’t work against Floyd.
Yawn.
The most difficult opponents at 130 for Floyd stylistically were Casamayor and Freitas . Guess what Floyd didnt fight them .
Floyd has express interest in fighting Freitas, Lazcano, Tzsyu, Casamayor and Shane Mosley when he was a Jr. Lightweight. It’s not asinine to assume that perhaps those fights didn’t want any part of Mayweather so they simply avoided him. Who’s to say they didn’t want a tough fight either, just Mayweather, that in itself is silly.
De La Hoya was criticized for annihilating Gatti a full 4 , yes I repeat 4 years before Mayweather did so.
Yet, they had Gatti winning going into the fight against Mayweather prior to being dismantled.
Shamba Mitchell had already been destroyed TWICE by Kostya Tszyu, another fighter in these weight classes Floyd managed to avoid,
Tszyu fought Hatton and was done. I highly doubt Tsyzu wanted anything to do with Mayweather at the time, after Mayweather had constantly spoke of “big names fighters” he was interested in his post fight interview. Mayweather was untouchable at 130, for the record.
Floyd then lost rounds to the shell of De La Hoya in an unimpressive performance .( Look at what Pac did to Oscar.
You call a healthy 154lbs Oscar, a shell who was defeated by a man who came to 154, weighing 151 day of — and won. Yet a deflated, dehydrated Oscar who hadn’t made 147 in over seven years, is taken out and Pac recieved praise for that because Pac wouldn’t come up to 154? ..Yeah, I can see where you’re going with this. You can’t see the forest from the tree’s, sir.
Hatton was a nice win for Floyd but in reality he was never what I would consider an A grade world champion . Look at the Collazo and Lazcano fights.
Once again, Hatton going into the Mayweather fight was given the edge to defeat Mayweather due to his style. Mayweather calmed the critics for the time being. The Lazcano fight was at 140 — Hatton was changed after recieveing his first KO loss, then going back down to 140 to defend his belt against Lazcano. As for the Collazo bout; he lost. We all know he did, but we can come up with a laundry list of fights where the fight in the eyes of the fans went one way, but the judges saw it differently.
Then Floyd beats up an aging bloke two divisions smaller than him and still cheats at the weigh in.
Marquez was the #2 Pound-For-Pound and expressed interest in fighting Mayweather. If he couldn’t get Pacquiao, he wanted Mayweather. Regardless of the weight discrepancy, many people thought Marquez would be the embodiment of Pacquiao. And since the majority of the Boxing atmosphere thought Marquez beat Pacquiao in their seocnd fight — Mayweather’s comeback fight against Manny’s arch-nemesis would prove to be a worthy adversary. However, it wasn’t. As far as coming in two pounds over weight — Marquez didn’t have to accept the fight, but he did, and was paid an extra $600,000 ontop of his purse. It wasn’t like he got away scott-free. Either way you put it, Mayweather could have came in at 130 and defeated Marquez at 144.
Mosely fought the prime De La Hoya at 147 twice ( Shane went up from 135 for the first fight) , Vernon Forrest twice at 147, Winky Wright twice ( at the time a monster at 154 that nobody wanted to fight ), Mayorga, Vargas ,Cotto, Margarito . All 4 of these blokes are naturally bigger fighters. than Mosely. Thats 10 extremely dangerous fights.
Mosley cheated against De La Hoya — scratch that win. Next. Vernon Forrest was great, he defeated Mosley — but was dominated twice by Mayorga; who Mosley fought and KO’d in twelve. Winky Wright is big; true. Mayweather wasn’t even considering 147 ( except to fight Mosley who ducked him back in ‘99 and again in ’06 ) when Mosley fought Vernon and Winky. Mayweather’s was still coming into his own and Mosley was the cream of the crop. Vargas was never anyone but a toughguy who had a bad case of Machoism who was taken out by Tito and De La Hoya. Margarito had loaded handwraps — screw him.
Genaro Hernandez had already been smashed by De La Hoya and was a 32 year old. Corrales was a good win but Diego is stylistically made for Floyd and is not exactly Duran or Mosely at 130 .The second Castillo fight was Floyds best fight in my opinion . A good win against a fine world champion who wasnt old or at his wrong weight . Judah , Gatti , Baldomir , the past it De La Hoya and Hatton . Not the resume of a great fighter.
Genaro was a titlist at his weight when Floyd was still an up and comer. He beat him. Moving on. Everyone thought Corrales’ height and power would be too much for Mayweather at 130, he was knocked down five times before the fight was stopped. Next. Judah was the undisputed WW champion, Gatti was the WBC titlist at 140, Baldomir was the lineal WW champion, De La Hoya was in better shape at 154 than he was when he fought Pacquiao. Hatton was on the Pound-For-Pound lists before he lost to Mayweather and the fight EVERYONE wanted to see. Hatton wouldn’t fight Mayweather post Gatti fight, a fight Hatton was ringside for.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Whats your point Ryan ? That Floyd has a great resume? We can agree to disagree mate . Floyd been a welterweight for 5 years now . Im not going to make a point by point dissection of your post mate lmao I have more important stuff to do . Face it Shanes resume pisses all over Floyds . Even Floyd sr would admit that . Cheers mate
Lol
Whats your point Ryan ? That Floyd has a great resume? We can agree to disagree mate . Floyd been a welterweight for 5 years now . Im not going to make a point by point dissection of your post mate lmao I have more important stuff to do . Face it Shanes resume pisses all over Floyds . Even Floyd sr would admit that . Cheers mate
Save yourself the reply.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
that is so wack
you pulled the “I’ve got better stuff to do” when your facts were disproven
A few salient points .
1. “Yet, they had Gatti winning going into the fight against Mayweather prior to being dismantled.” . Who is they? The HBO promotional team . Anyone with a modicum of boxing knowledge knew Mayweather Gatti was a mismatch.
2."Tszyu fought Hatton and was done. I highly doubt Tsyzu wanted anything to do with Mayweather at the time, after Mayweather had constantly spoke of "big names fighters" he was interested in his post fight interview. " Constantly spoke of big name fighters? Shame he didnt fight them instead of talk about them ;-) My point was that it was no great win to beat the corpse of Shamba Mitchell . Word twisting and semantics are bad form Ryan . Tszyu held a version of the 140 pound strap for ten years ( 1995 – 2005) Mayweather started fighting at 135 in 2002 . Ergot he had a timeline of 3 years in which he could have fought Tszyu if he wished. 3.“You call a healthy 154lbs Oscar, a shell who was defeated by a man who came to 154, weighing 151 day of — and won. Yet a deflated, dehydrated Oscar who hadn’t made 147 in over seven years, is taken out and Pac recieved praise for that because Pac wouldn’t come up to 154? ..Yeah, I can see where you’re going with this. You can’t see the forest from the tree’s, sir.” Lets see Mayweather loses at least 4 rounds to a part time fighter in De La Hoya who hadn’t fought a decent fight since the Mosely rematch nearly 4 years earlier and who had lost to Sturm and Hopkins since . Hardly an awe inspiring display by Mayweather. 4. Hatton is no Roberto Duran . If he is your idea of a gun world champion then you need educating , Ryan . Nobody would say Hatton is Aaron Pryor, or a prime Mosely or De La Hoya at 140 . A competent world class boxer who would never have won a world title in the 8 titles no junior division days . Pacquiao showed how good Hatton really is . First time he faced a real life puncher who was in his prime . Timberrrrrr. Hardly the kind of win by Floyd to base greatness on . Watch Leonards kayo of Dave Boy Green if you want to see a real destruction . The Fen Tiger was as good as Hatton . A prime Palomino and Leonard at 147 is a bit more severe a test than Hattons title fights . 5. " Mosley cheated against De La Hoya — scratch that win. Next. Vernon Forrest was great, he defeated Mosley — but was dominated twice by Mayorga; who Mosley fought and KO’d in twelve. Winky Wright is big; true. Mayweather wasn’t even considering 147 ( except to fight Mosley who ducked him back in ‘99 and again in ’06 ) when Mosley fought Vernon and Winky. Mayweather’s was still coming into his own and Mosley was the cream of the crop. Vargas was never anyone but a toughguy who had a bad case of Machoism who was taken out by Tito and De La Hoya. Margarito had loaded handwraps — screw him." that is basically piffle . Whats your point ? That Floyd has faced real tests like Baldomir and De La Hoya years after? I don’t even understand wtf you are trying to say here LOL 6. Everyone thought Corrales’ height and power would be too much for Mayweather at 130, he was knocked down five times before the fight was stopped. Next. Judah was the undisputed WW champion, Gatti was the WBC titlist at 140, Baldomir was the lineal WW champion, De La Hoya was in better shape at 154 than he was when he fought Pacquiao. Hatton was on the Pound-For-Pound lists before he lost to Mayweather and the fight EVERYONE wanted to see. Hatton wouldn’t fight Mayweather post Gatti fight, a fight Hatton was ringside for. Kid you keep usung terms like " everybody and they " You need to stop quoting promoters , shills and spruikers as legitemite sources . Just because some rabid English fans and HBO tell us Hatton v Floyd is a great match up and that Hatton is a pfor p fighter doesnt make it true . Cheers Mate
Well Executed
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
One More Comment
Baldomir is without a doubt the worst boxer to hold a version of the 147 pound crown. Leonard had to beat Benitez . Hearns had to beat Cuevas . Duran had to beat Leonard , while the great Floyd Mayweather wins his version of the 147 pound crown against Baldomir LMAO
As for Light Axe
Are you the bloke out of the 80s movie" Trading Places" that continually pipes up with " Yeah" in the scene were Eddy Murphy is in jail with the Barry White lookalike that is about to kick his arse ? ;-) Yeahhh ! lmao " Disproven" ? Dont think so .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fswFNvqgyk WTF was that ref doing pulling the fight up when Floyd hurt his hand ? What is all the head shaking and grimacing about ? Im starting to think Floyd after 3 years without a hard fight might get a shock from Moselys ferocity .
Hatton
was given the edge over Jr.?? By who—
Not any sane person I knew.
A lot of foolish British pundits
people who actually know their boxing predicted that he would get trounced. Matt Miller took part in a bit of a debate on the matter I beleive, although I’m not sure where it can be found, if at all.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 1, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
This will be a good fight The key elements to this fight will be the trainers. With Nazim Richardson in his corner this will make the difference for Mosley. You definitely can expect Bernard to be in that training camp a lot and he tapes they will be reviewing will be some of Hopkins as well because he can fight that style as well as Mayweather. I still got Mosley losing in 12 rounds on points.He lose faster if he goes in there expecting to bully Floyd.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
fight contract has not been signed yet
here is a link to a article on the fight http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4880645&name=rafael_dan i `m a manny fan but i understand why floyd is reluctant to fight anyone who can beat him he`s afraid he will be a punch drunk man when he is done with boxing hell all he has to do is look at his father and uncle they cant even talk they slur their words he`s a good fighter but he will never put it all on the line in a fight and that is the difference between good fighters and great fighters he needs to stop saying he`s the best ever and needs to have some real men in his entourage someone who can tell him the straight truth all he has is yes men they are not real advisers just yes men protecting their jobs and paychecks
Is that you Yahtzee?
Cookie for anyone who got this.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
Related FanPosts on Bad Left Hook
Related FanShots on Bad Left Hook
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
