Floyd Mayweather Jr. puts out statement on Pacquiao
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 7:37 PM EST
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A sparkle of hope? Maybe, maybe not. But Floyd Mayweather Jr. sent out a statement this evening saying that he still wants to fight Manny Pacquiao. Take it how you wish.
"Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them.
"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass.
"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.
"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."
Mayweather is placing the blame squarely on Pacquiao, and realizes that this is the biggest fight there is, which is no surprise. Mayweather is not a stupid man by any stretch. He also says they want a 14-day window, and Pacquiao wants 30 days. Floyd believes Manny just doesn't want to take the tests at all, but either way, both sides are holding firm.
This leads me to think that this fight isn't quite dead yet, which many folks suspect anyway. Many of those same people are citing the fact that Pacquiao's May fight with Ricky Hatton was decalred "off" too, and then came back together shortly after. But their disagreement was a slight difference in the split of the money. This is something unprecedented, while that was rather routine.
We'll see, but this isn't done playing out, at least in the press.
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This is a pretty huge statement from Floyd..
..considering he’s barely spoken throughout the whole negotiations. Ultimately it has been Team Pacquiao and Top Rank who have been crying out through the press the entire time; Golden Boy and Mayweather have remained fairly quiet, with the exception of that tool Oscar De La Hoya’s stupid article in the Ring. I don’t think anyone can say whether Mayweather is speaking the truth, obviously, but this is surely a beacon of hope that the biggest fight in history can still be made. Come on Manny, 14 days is a fair deal – surely!
"I don't like him. He talks too much" Muhammad Ali on George Foreman
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 7, 2010 7:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Finally...
Finally Floyd has something to say… I’m happy to see him taking up for himself.
About time
Let manny and mayweather do this themselves
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Floyd..
Is honestly just making himself look good with this statement and trying to keep the blame off him. If I remember correctly, Pacquiao wanted to sue Mayweather and Co. for defamation of character.
This is good news though, but more along the lines that it needed to be done by Mayweather.
I've never seen anything I don't like about Manny as a person, boxer or whatever
But seriously, what are you meant to think when, in the eyes of most at least, this whole thing boils down to the fact that he won’t take a blood test? I’m convinced that if this was anyone but Floyd then the conventional wisdom would come to the worst conclusion: Manny is hiding something.. but as it is Mayweather who, through a secondary source at least, it making the allegations/stipulations you get ridiculous assumptions such as Michael Wilbon on PTI earlier saying that Floyd is running scared. I know everyone is trying to be politically correct and fair an all but from my point of view Pacquiao is unequivocally the main thing stopping this fight from going ahead. I’m willing to be proven wrong, of course, but I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the Pacman! (Not that assigning blame is going to get us anywhere, I suppose)
Please note my sig.
Thank you for proving it to be correct, again.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
But at this point
Manny IS willing to take blood tests. If he’s willing to take blood tests, then why the hell can’t he take on 14 days out?
Not afraid to nitpick
Why should he have to?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
sorry your sig is now out of date.
He doesn’t have to do a thing. He doesn’t even have to fight Mayweather. BUT the random Blood tests have become a part of the contract negotiations. Pacquiao wants to balk at a proposed contract of testing up until 14 days right? Arum and Koncz are able to call Mayweather a coward because he wont accept 24 days but we as fans are unreasonable to wonder why Manny refuses 14 days?
My sig isn't out of date at all, because some people (like you) are still acting this way.
Manny has no obligation to do something NO PROFESSIONAL BOXER HAS EVER HAD TO DO BEFORE, but he has said he will, to a point. Even agreeing to do the tests is more than anyone has had to do before. I don’t see how you don’t get that.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Like I said “Manny doesn’t have to do a thing, he doesnt even have to fight Mayweather” I’m not trying to choose anything for him, but if Mayweather can be criticized for not accepting 24 days then the same can be done for Manny, thats all.
Another thing you need to be updated on, Arthur Abraham( A co-favorite to win the super six) has it stipulated in his contract for Olympic Style testing.
There is a precedence.
<a href="http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblank">www.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub9CD731D06F17450CB39BE001000DD173%2FDoc~E1632C5206D4C4830B5D6295783DB5773~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html&sl=de&tl=en" >
by Fresh Hook on Jan 7, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah? Does Abraham also preface each contract negotiation by publicly smearing his opponents with accusations of drug use? Or is it just a part of his standard contract?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Pacquiao is suing him for that.
If Pacquaio was that offended by the accusations he would have said no to the fight from the beginning.
I can’t get that link to work. Can anybody verify the Abraham drug test thing?
This
<a href="http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblank">www.faz.net%2Fs%2FRub9CD731D06F17450CB39BE001000DD173%2FDoc~E1632C5206D4C4830B5D6295783DB5773~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html&sl=de&tl=en" target="new">should be a working link
Interesting stuff. I’d never seen this before. The way I read it, it sounds like ZDF made Sauerland apply NADA (Germany’s USADA equivalent) standard testing in order to re-up their television contract.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Of course that one doesn't work either
For some reason, can’t get it to work with google translator.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Why shouldn't he?
It’s a blood test. We’re not talking a full cavity search with oversized fingers, we’re talking about 10 CCs of blood. Hell, the logistics of giving 10 CCs of blood are less demanding than pissing in a cup on command (it stings to stop!).
It’s not a big deal no matter how anyone slices it and the only reason other sports haven’t gone to blood testing is the power of the unions not willing to budge on anything.
Someone had to demand the first piss test…..and no one before that had to do that before, was that unreasonable then? No one had ever had to do that!
Not afraid to nitpick
Right. But no other fighter EVER has had to do this, why should he be subject to it?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
And no other fighter had EVER had to be piss tested at one time
Was it unreasonable for someone to demand for piss testing back in the day?
Not afraid to nitpick
I think you'll find that was a commission/sanctioning body decision.
As Dana White said, fighters should not be responsible for deciding what other fighters will or will not do.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Except this fight and these fighters are bigger than any commission/sanctioning body
Plus this isn’t MMA, fighters CAN negotiate on what each other have to do.
Aside from that, there’s just no arguing that blood testing is a big deal. It isn’t. It takes zero effort to have 10 CCs of blood taken. It doesn’t affect performance (ESPECIALLY 14 days out), it doesn’t affect anything. In fact it’s stupid that it’s taken this long for blood testing to come to prominence, because many a person (say Victor Conte) say urine testing is somewhat of a joke.
Just because something is WITHOUT PRECEDENT doesn’t mean it is unreasonable. 40 million is pretty unprecedented too.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm smiling
It’s about time you said something Floyd.
Maybe everyone will finally see things the way they are and not the way Arum says they are
by Option27 on Jan 7, 2010 8:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You sure are willing to completely believe one side of this thing. Do you honestly see Floyd and Golden Boy as the beacons of light in a cruel, cruel world?
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
well
I believe he has been patiently waiting for this mess to get resolved and when it didn’t, they threw all the blame his way.
One things for sure, Arums been talking nonstop.
Its about time the world heard from the other side.
To me, the side that makes the most logical sense
by Option27 on Jan 7, 2010 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And you're not biased at all toward your favourite fighter, right?
I’m not even a Pacquaio fan, but he has already agreed to more than any other fighter has, EVER.
For the record,I think Floyd wins the fight, probably by KO, but I firmly believe that Pacquiao is not in the wrong on this, and I can say that without even a hint of bias.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
You're right
Floyd IS my favorite fighter … ever
Its hard to explain but I’m really trying my best to NOT be biased in these arguments.
But maybe you don’t know this about me but I loved Manny, still do if he proves the doubters all wrong.
I hate seeing Manny go this route on such a fair request. He’s acting like a baby trying to hide something. It went from love to hate pretty fast once he started this whine tour he’s on.
Its simple. Take the tests, stop making up excuses and shut me up cause I WANNA be proven wrong
by Option27 on Jan 7, 2010 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fair request?
Unprecedented demand, more like.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
little of column A, little of column B, IMO
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
oh
And the 10 million per poind is not?
by Option27 on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No it's a fairly
understabdable and standard enforecement of the rules which is fitting seeing as mayweather has recently flouted them.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 8, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Let's see if the mediator corrects this one
There’s little reason for me to believe that Floyd isn’t telling the truth here unless the mediator corrects it. That said, it seems dumb that this is coming straight from the horse’s mouth, in contravention of a confidentiality agreement.
Frankly, 14 days does seem like a reasonable compromise to me, if he was willing to agree to 24 days.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So does "all parties involved" also include PBF and Pac?
Because they weren’t involved personally in the mediation, non? Although I guess their representatives were acting on their behalf.
Still, I thought exactly the same thing when I read this release. Interesting to see if Mr. Weinstein will push out another correction tomorrow (by god, he was quick with the first) and if not how this could play. out.
by MCM on Jan 7, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
If the statement is true and Mayweather and Co. really did offer a 14 – day no testing window then I start to blame Pac. When a fight natrually progress to be the biggest fight in the world, and there is this much money to be made, plus the fact a real world champ at the best weight class in boxing could be crowned by years end, then you blame everyone involved for it not coming off. But, if Mayweather conceded and offered this, I blame Pac a little more.
I blame Floyd, wholeheartedly and without reservation.
There is no precedent for this demand. There is no evidence that makes it any more necessary than it is for any other fighter.
Floyd is the one making unprecedented demands, and Manny has already made unprecedented concessions. For him to cap the concessions at a point he feels comfortable does not mean he is suddenly wrong; he has still made the concessions to begin with.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
BS
It’s unprecedented but so is the money at stake. Both athletes owe it to the integrity of the sport and the paying fans. We live in the PED era so Floyd’s demands are not unreasonable by any stretch. The NSAC drug testing procedures are practically obsolete according to Dr. Margaret Goodman. This is very troubling to hear given that we’re fans of the sport of boxing. A sport where death and serious injury are a regular occurence.
Dr. Goodman’s statement:
http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/drgpeds010410.html
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
''I don't see how you don't get that''
Anyway, I don’t want to get into an argument about it.. I acknowledge your points as valid ones but don’t see this as anywhere near as black and white as you are making it out to be. Don’t take it to heart anyway, this will be an endless debate regardless
(Apologies for double post)
Things change
And nothing ever remains the same. It never has been asked before but now it has. There has to be a first, with out it there won’t be a second.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 9:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There does have to be a first, and frankly I agree that this fight should have been it. But it’s a big thing to ask for. It’s not something any fighter was going to just shrug off with a “Yeah sure.”
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
a clean fighter would say “yeah sure”. Especially with a $40 million dollar payday at stake.
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
A good point
Thats what is hard for me to get away from, even if money were no issue (which it surely is) then purely from a boxing standpoint the incentives for Pacquiao to just do this and get the fight going are immeasurably huge. Potential immortality awaits if he were to just relent on this issue.
What if Marquez had asked Floyd to do this? Do you think Floyd would have let someone dictate something this big to him? Make no mistake, this is not a little thing.
Fact is at this point, Pacquiao agreed to the blood testing, but with a different time frame. That’s where the negotiations died. They couldn’t agree on the amount of time the random blood testing would end. And Pacquiao even agreed to take the test again immediately after the fight.
They couldn’t find a common ground on how many days before the fight the testing would end. That was the end of it.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
Paquiao had agreed to a blood test 30 days before the fight. Mayweather wanted random blood testing up until the fight. Now Mayweather is saying a 14 day time frame will get the fight done. Sounds like a reasonable enough demand to me.
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree it’s reasonable.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
It's not that big of a deal
Honestly it’s not. PAC can go karooke at any time but doesn’t want to be bothered for a blood test. He even could have put in the contract that they come to him to withdrawl the blood. How about demanding an apology if he came out clean? Or getting a bigger split (49-51) to do the test at 14 days. But no it’s a dead issue because… Why? The fanpost I posted has clues of why (possibly)
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look, I get that you don’t think it’s a big deal, but it would be changing the drug testing in boxing. It IS a big deal.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
It's not a negative change
I’m not defending either side just saying what I see. Mayweather could had easily dropped for now to get the fight done but he’s out to prove a point.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s a 100% positive change. I’m all for it. It should be done across the board.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
By the governing bodies, commissions etc.
Not by Floyd fucking Mayweather, on a whim….
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
So it's a 100% positive change
And the sanctioning bodies should implement it, but Mayweather shouldn’t want a 100% positive change because the sanctioning bodies move glacially and won’t implement it for years?
Not afraid to nitpick
Pacquiao should not be forced to do something that is not required by any of the governing bodies.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Do the sanctioning bodies require that fighters wear a certain gloves?
Do the sanctioning bodies require a 50-50 revenue split? Boxers get to negotiate the terms on which they will fight.
Ignoring all that, you agree that blood testing would be good for the sport?
Not afraid to nitpick
Mayweather shouldn't have to
Pay 10 mil per pound if he is over the weight limit if the governing body doesn’t require it.
You see how that sounds?
Things can be asked of and negiotiated
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is such a straw man argument.
Financial penalties for breaking the rules put in place…..
Completely unprecedented demands for something not included in the rules…..
Bit of a difference, no?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Actually, the rules do say you can't take steroids
and most of the stuff people are using now can only be found in blood testing. Not much of a stretch.
Right. I'll explain this simply.
If he is found to have taken steroids, there will be a penalty, because he has broken the rules. Whether this penalty is financial or not is irrelevant, it is a penalty.
If Floyd breaks the rules, and comes in over-weight, there is a penalty.
The testing in itself, the way Floyd is demanding it be done, is not in the rules.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
But the amount Floyd would be penalized is unheard of
That amount has never been asked of before so why ask for something that has never been done before?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Because Floyd broke the contractual rules
IN HIS VERY LAST FIGHT.
Manny, on the other hand, has never been shown to have broken any rules, at all.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
That is true
but in contract talks you can ask for anything you want just as long as you are not breaking the law.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 8, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
chaos100
are you actually Manny? Or is he paying you off to praise him so highly?
How exactly have I 'praised' Manny?
Is English your first language?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
The sanctioning bodies can go screw. The athletic commissions should implement it. But it should be done because it’s the right thing to do, not because of a Floyd Mayweather Jr. power play that grew out of an accusation that is supported by absolutely zero evidence. I see nobody demanding blood tests for Mosley-Berto or any other major fight on the calendar.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
They probably should be. The sport should have them. I’m entirely for them. But this is not Mayweather trying to do something for the good of the sport. He’s doing it because he either miscalculated, or (IMO) more likely because he really thinks there’s something up with Pacquiao. The further we got into this, the more I started to think he truly believes Pacquiao isn’t clean.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
None of this is a reason for Pacquiao to refuse blood testing 14 days out though
Not afraid to nitpick
Whatever his reason is, it’s not happening.
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Would you mind nipping on to FB, please?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Too expensive to actually happen, IMO
And there’s a collective action problem as well. Guys who dope will just start avoiding Nevada instead. Plus, how would they be able to enforce the blood testing if the fighter trains out of state?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I guess my point is
that it would need to be the sanctioning bodies that implement it, not the state athletic commissions. Too many issues if it’s the athletic commissions. The sanctioning bodies, on the other hand, could just tack the testing costs onto their fees, and the jurisdiction of the sanctioning bodies reaches across state and national borders.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The frustrating thing is
That this is all conjecture on out part, and if the fight never happens its going to be an issue people disagree about for years to come. This whole discussion, whilst lively, is essentially irrelevant as we aren’t going to come to a conclusion, there are arguments for both camps and this is just making the whole thing harder to take.. there are so many subjective issues at hand that it’s impossible to decide who, what, why etc
You see to be a very well informed on this issue, if somewhat condescending
I understand that there will be precedents set with this type of testing, but as joker24 said, at some point urinalysis wasn’t used either. ’’There’s a first time for everything’’ as the saying goes. I think you have your Pacman blinkers on, for whatever reason.. Pacquiao’s the first boxer to do a lot of things, why not this? Why NOT just do the test? Why can’t the spirit of sportsmanship and transparent fair play trump pride (if that is all that is standing in the way)? Whatever really, I understand the obstacles to some extent but can’t help thinking that it comes down to neither one wanting to lose face, more noticeably Pacquiao in my very humble opinion.
I want you to qualify that remark.
How have I been condescending?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
''I don't see how you don't get that''
Anyway, I don’t want to get into an argument about it.. I acknowledge your points as valid ones but don’t see this as anywhere near as black and white as you are making it out to be. Don’t take it to heart anyway, this will be an endless debate regardless
That wasn't condescending.
I was simply stating a fact.
The fact is that I, that being ME, the person writing this, do not understand, or ‘get’, how someone else doesn’t ‘get’ (I know, repeating the ‘get’ is bad form…. tut tut) the point I was making.
Then I was stating a fact, now I’m being deliberately conndescending in order to facilitate comparison.
There are two major things that stop this site succumbing to the habits and tendencies that permeate other boxing sites (if you disregard for the sake of making the most effective point the fact that SC doesn’t put up with that shit).
1. People not being deliberately provocative in what they write, how they write it etc.
2. AND THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT; People not taking offense to stuff that isn’t intended to be offensive.
If I make a statement like the one you quote, please believe me I am sufficiently skilled with words that I have made the statement I meant to make. If I wanted to say, “You’re a stupid motherfucker and I’m sick of your shit” then I’m fully capable of doing so. The fact I didn’t say that means that it isn’t what I meant.
I used to say the best quality my ex-girlfriend had (apart from the prerequisite boobs and pulse) was that if I said something that could be taken two ways, and one of them pissed her off, then she would assume that I meant it the other way. Discourse on here is pretty similar. I make a statement, you can either choose to believe I mean what it says, or you can read other meanings into it. If you think it was condescending, it probably says more about the way you read than the way I write, and I mean that with all due respect.
This debate (and others!!) has gotten fierce between certain people on here, and the older, more established users realize that we’re here to debate, to defend our points of view, but we also know how to take each other, too. So please don’t consider this an angry retort, or anything of that nature. I wasn’t being deliberately condescending, and this is why I asked you to qualify your statement. I’m glad you did, and in the way you did.
Now, let’s get back to slating Floyd for denying us the chance to see him prove his greatness……
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
The most innocent of comments
can seem provocative at 3am, I guess. Did you read that article The Autumn Wind posted? Seemed to qualify some things re precendents being set.. maybe the ends justify the means somewhat in this case.
I couldn't make the link work.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
I’ll sum it up. Dr. Margaret Goodman, a respected boxing person, says that the current method of testing is practically obsolete.
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
and it is, really
Bad Left Hook
"If bulls**t was poetry, Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini's name would be Shakespeare." -- Dennis Rappaport
by Scott Christ on Jan 7, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I have a fanshot up on what the doctor said if you need the link
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who denied who? Floyd’s trying to get a fight done. Now Manny is announcing another fight?
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
So now Manny, a professional boxer, is in the wrong for arranging a fight with another professional boxer, after deciding Floyd’s marginalising demands were just too much?
Jeez, how does he win? Floyd won’t fight him under conditions he finds reasonable, so Manny arranges to fight Clottey (an opponent better than anyone Floyd has fought at welter), who also wants the fight?
I can’t believe Manny had the audacity to arrange to fight someone? Who does he think he is? A profesional boxer or something?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Well the fact of the matter is that the world wants to see Manny fight Floyd, not Josh Clottey.
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
And Manny just wants to fight the best fighters he can.
If Floyd is being unreasonable, Manny still wants to go to work.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
How is Floyd being unreasonable again
He’s demanding something that you yourself think is good for the sport?
Not afraid to nitpick
He has no right to make that demand.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Look at it this way.
If a police car pulls you over for speeding, you accept it.
If a random motorist pulls you over and has a go at you about speeding, even if they are right in what they say, you’d still tell them to fuck off.
Even if the idea behind Floyd’s demands is a good one, he almost certainly isn’t doing it for that reason, and has no right to act like he is one of the authorities.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
That's not even close to a proper analogy
A random driver can’t pull you over. Mayweather can negotiate ANYTHING for this fight. If he wanted to make it so the loser had to have a big L tattooed on his forehead, it’s well within his legal right to try to negotiate that in the contract. That would be an unreasonable demand and no one would agree to that stipulation, but it’s completely irrelevant that the NSAC or Texas SAC or whatever SAC doesn’t require losers of fights to get an L tatooed on his forehead. It’s an open contract, you can pretty much put anything you want in it. Floyd happens to want blood testing. He has the right to negotiate that.
Is it unreasonable that Floyd wants to have a better system of blood testing in place for this fight?
Not afraid to nitpick
You're right. They can't.
But they can try. As can Floyd.
And you can tell them to fuck off. As can Manny.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Very bad example
Use something more like this which I can relate too since I sell Real Estate:
You want to buy a house. But you really like the studio equipment that is in the basement. The house is overpriced and there might be some foundation issues but hey you really want that equipment. So you make an offer and in that offer you put that you want the equipment included but will give full asking price.
Now that is not something normal to ask for but hey like we say “everythings negotiable”. So you make the offer the seller can say no or come back with a counter offer saying I will give it to you if you pay $5,000 over the asking price.
This is what we are talking about; working out a contract which at times some things might be asking of that is strange but if you really want it done you find a way of working it out.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 8, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It happened a little to fast like
It was planned well before hand
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jan 7, 2010 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Top Rank are in the wrong for being efficient?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Added to which, I can't imagine this fight would take long to set up.
Arum; “Josh, I’ll pay you $2m to fight Pacquaio on the 13th of March.”
Clottey; “Ok.”
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
by Chaos100 on Jan 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny way of putting it
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Jan 8, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
No it's smart of them to do so,
just pointing it out.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
The timing is suspicious
I think Top Rank probably jumped the gun because they’re trying to show Floyd that he’s going to have competition for PPVs on March 13.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Look at it like this then. Manny Pacquiao, who for all we know is absolutely clean, is turning down FOURTY MILLION DOLLARS, a sum of money that I can’t even contemplate understanding, because he won’t take a blood test up to 14 days in advance of the fight. It’s unprecedented, but then again so are Manny’s achievements in the ring. Instead of taking the test, proving he’s clean, earning ridiculous money and potentially beating Floyd Mayweather, he’s fighting Joshua Clottey. It might be unprecedented, but refusal is just plain stupid.
"I don't like him. He talks too much" Muhammad Ali on George Foreman
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 7, 2010 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is more to it than that.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
not really. At the very least he shouldn’t announce another fight when the negotiations for the biggest money fight in boxing history are ongoing.
by The Autumn Wind on Jan 7, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ok,well I believe there is. I'm just hesitant to say why right now.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Sorry, that makes it look like I have some inside knowledge or something.
I don’t, I just want to discuss my thoughts before posting them on here.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Fair enough
I hope you can see it from another perspective now, because from where a lot of people Are sitting, Manny appears to be more in te wrong than floyd. Apologies for any spelling errors, it’s 4 in the morning in the UK but I can’t get over my jet lag..
"I don't like him. He talks too much" Muhammad Ali on George Foreman
by Oli Goldstein on Jan 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is indeed 4am. And I can't sleep.
Have you checked out the British Get-Together thread?
Looks like a few of us are doing the Feb 13th card. Get involved!!
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Is this the card with Mitchell, Sexton, Skelton etc?
Matt Skelton’s a family friend (lame claim to fame, I know) and I might be going to this, good value at £40 too I think
We're getting the £50 tickets....
You want in with us?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
You're from Luton?
Skelton’s from Bedford, right?
I’m a Cambridge man, myself…. :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
I'll see mate
Not done the whole internet meet up thing before (no offence) and I think a few of us are already planning to go. I’m bedford born and bred, just a Luton Town fan hence the username. Yeah Skelton’s from Bedford too, between him and Paula Radcliffe for our finest export.. not to mention Andy Johnson, of course. Anyway, it’s 5am. I’m off, hope you’re not snowed in in Cambridge, later.
LOL
I’m suggesting you meet up with us to watch a boxing match.
I’m not trying to proposition you.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
And I could see the other side of the debate from word go.
Just because I don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean I don’t see the merits of the argument.
For me, nothing I’ve seen overrides my own basic logic, which goes something like this;
Manny could just go “Yeah, sure….”, but he wouldn’t have had to if Floyd hadn’t made the demands in the first place…..
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Why is precedent required?
And if precedent is required for any new stipulation, then how exactly can anything new ever be negotiated in boxing???
Because if the new “precedent” that’s being established is to smear your opponent in the media with a bunch of vague, unfounded accusations, then it’s a bad precedent. It would be great if the commissions just agreed to unified rules of testing, which I think would be great. If they had kept all this negotiation behind closed doors, also great. But that’s not what happened. It was poorly handled by a bunch of infants, who are basically using this stuff to attack a guys honor, reputation and legacy. It is wrong.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I want this fight to happen
Generally I believe in more stringent drug testing in general because so much is to be gained by cheating plus it’s proven that the NSAC can be cheated. I’m taking Mayweather’s side on this
This is another situation where boxing’s lack of a central authority is deeply problematic. I don’t think Floyd’s demand of random testing up to 14 days (assuming that was the offer) is particularly unfair. It may be unprecedented, but this is no ordinary fight. The accusations against Pac are unfair, but the testing would apply to both fighters equally, so Manny wouldn’t be prejudiced.
I guess my feeling is that Pac should just accept the terms, even if he has a problem with the exact test cutoff date, and then take it out on Floyd in the ring. Why does he need an apology when he can legally beat the guy up with millions watching?
Why does he need an apology when he can legally beat the guy up with millions watching?
Here’s the thing, though. By making up this charge about PEDs, Floyd has really attacked and damaged the guys legacy. Suppose he went through with the fight, and Floyd won (a distinct possibility). The implication will become some sort of warped version “truth:” Manny lost because he didn’t have the “magic medicine.”
That’s why these suspicions and tactics – whether they are bullshit or not – should have never been made public. Even the implication of this is damaging to a reputation, and by imposing an unprecedented blood-testing regime that is exactly what’s being implied. Why is it so hard for some guys to understand this?
Now that Mayweather has put it out there, the story has a life of its own. Instead of talking about what a compelling fighter Pacquiao is, the press will focus on “The Tests.” “Manny, did you get your Test today? What’s the story with all the tests? Are you hiding something?” This is plain horseshit. It’s wrong. I’m not a big fan of the whole “defamation lawsuit”, which I think is stupid and will go nowhere. But it is defamatory, for crying out loud. Disgusting stuff.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
by jrok on Jan 8, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
And if I could rec it more than once, I really would.
I just had a chat with SC about this, and you’ve pretty much summed up what we were saying. People seem to think this all goes away if Manny says “Yeah I’ll do what you want.” It really doesn’t. The only way Manny wins out of this situation is if he takes the tests, comes up clean, and then wins the fight too. Any other eventuality means he is tarnished forever.
I now think Manny doesn’t want the fight. I think he did, but now I think he just wants Floyd to fuck off. Floyd has tarnished Manny already, and I don’t think Manny wants to reward him for that by getting in the ring with him. Floyd needs Manny more than Manny needs Floyd, both in terms of legacy and in terms of finance. I think Manny simply wants to forget he ever got involved in any conversation with Floyd, and is happy to leave him to work out another way to pay his IRS bill.
I also think there is an element of malice in the whole thing; it seems to me that the Brian Kenny interviews and ones like them really pissed Floyd off. Being called the ‘former’ P4P #1 was just the start, but it really showed that Floyd was hurt by the great press Manny gets and the recognition of achievements that he feels are less than his own. I really don’t believe Floyd wanted this fight, I am now fully convinced that destroying Manny Pacquaio’s legacy was enough, and was his primary aim all along.
There are also other consequences to consider, chiefly that Pacquaio is going into a career where public image is everything. If he bows to Floyd’s demands, does the tests, comes up clean and loses the fight, the rumours of drug use will not go away, just as jrok says. the whispers that will follow him will foreer condemn him, and such pseudo-wise proverbs as “no smoke without fire” will seem to provide proof that there must have been something up….
Considering the harm that being labelled a cheat could do to his future plans, I would not be surprised to see Manny fight 3 other really good fighters, Clottey, maybe Bradley, maybe even Foreman for the stab at history, and completely ignore Floyd for ever more. Manny’s legacy will be fine and dandy without Floyd, and if he says no more about the drug tests and doesn’t involve himself in any more negotiations with Floyd, there is a chance that the whole issue of him once being labelled a cheat will be consigned to history, a history only recalled by the hardcore boxing community, which does not make up a massive proportion of the voting demographic.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
For Manny to clear up any talk of him on PED’s he needs to fight someone who wont make him look bad and do a blood test. With Floyd’s style, Pac opens himself up for a fight that he gets countered and beaten while made to look bad. If that were to happen the talk would be there of him being off the drugs. If he took on a come forward fighter like a Cotto and Hatton and did the same damage with a clean blood test behind him no one would be able to say anything
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
I thought this;
It would really make me laugh if Manny now volunteers to have his blood tested a week before the Clottey fight, and adds “Fuck you, Floyd. That’ll teach you to call me a cheat. Say hi to the taxman for me, won’t you, now you two are getting so well aquainted….”
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Floyd risked just as much to show up Manny....
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Not necessarily true at all
There’s more to it then just:
Pacquiao Having Clean Tests + Losing = Tarnished Rep
I think this is more like it:
Pacquiao having Clean Tests + Losing + Different Looking Body, Stamina, Power, etc. = Tarnished Rep
If he comes in ripped as hell, still has snap to his punches, and the same stamina he’s always had, BUT loses, there is no reason for anyone to believe he’s ever been on PEDs.
The only thing to follow is that Mayweather is a better fighter.
You don’t seem to understand. The damage to his reputation is already done.
If this was some sort of strongarm negotiating tactic (which is possible), THEN it was ham-handed. Basically, it’s a very poor position to be put in. The press is full of hacks, drunks and paid shills. As you have probably seen yourself, they’ve already taken this bone and run with it, because scandal sells. If he agrees to the tests described (which, are a bit insane) it’s practically an admission of guilt.
What’s the point, anyway? Nothing testable that Manny Pacquaio puts in his body 24 days before the fight is going to magically disappear that evening when they take the mandatory blood test. This is all very stupid.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Ive been thinking on a similar topic to what you said
Suppose he went through with the fight, and Floyd won (a distinct possibility). The implication will become some sort of warped version "truth:" Manny lost because he didn’t have the "magic medicine."
It would of been better if Floyd had just asked for the blood test, not spoken about him being suspisious of Pac taking PED’s and said it was for the good of the sport and a big fight like this is a good way to start something new. If they went ahead and Pac tested clean then, by way of a bad style clash he lost, everyone would say Pac wasnt on PED’s for this fight. And it wouldn’t be seen for the win it would be.
If it went ahead and no-one knew of Mayweather having douts and the public saw Pac as a clean great fighter and Pac lost then everyone would talk of how great Floyd must be.
He gave himself a no win situation i think. If Pac is clean then he was wrong about it. If Pac isnt he looses out on the chance to beat him. If Pac test clean and Floyd ‘whooped his punk ass" everyone will say its caust Pac wasn’t on the PED’s he was against Cotto etc.
"Good, so it can’t go any deeper." - Arturo Gatti after being told he was cut to the bone
What if Floyd is truly concerned that Pacquiao uses PED’s? The accusations are wrong, but I think it goes too far to say that negotiating further tests is per se wrong. I guess it’s a moot point since Floyd and his camp have specifically accused Manny… if they had merely said that the standard protocols were not sufficient, I would consider that defensible despite the implications.
I also doubt that Floyd Mayweather can seriously hurt Manny’s legacy by making unfounded accusations. Some people suspect Manny because of their own opinions about modern athletes and PED use, while I think the majority recognizes boxers are tested pretty effectively and that no drug can create a monster like Pacman anyway.
My point is just that, whatever damage Floyd has done to Manny, and however underhanded Floyd’s strategy is, Manny still has the option to just suck it up and fight. I know he shouldn’t have to take the Mayweather BS, but it’s too late now. If Manny takes the tests and then wins the fight, he wins across the board. If he loses, intelligent observers will chalk it up to Floyd’s ability, not Manny’s inability to use drugs.
The part I don't get
is why should Floyd care this much about whether or not Manny is juicing? Even if he is, so what? He agrees to the fight without the tests, if Manny wins, he can claim that it’s because Manny was cheating and a lot of people will believe him. Even if Manny is cheating, it won’t turn him into superman. At most it would give him a marginal edge. It’s not like someone removing the padding from their gloves or something.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
At most it would give him a marginal edge. It’s not like someone removing the padding from their gloves or something.
Right. And let’s not forget: Manny could be taking annies and hormones out the ying yang, but no matter what he would still walk into the ring the smaller man against Floyd. And what magical serum will he inject to get bigger than Josh Clottey? That’s why this is all so sick. We aren’t talking about some heavyweight behemoth, we are talking about a guy who is a very small welterweight who, frankly, would never cut to make that ceiling. I don’t think of either Floyd or Manny as being true welts, but Floyd is certainly bigger than Manny, and has had many years to adapt himself to that weight.
The son-of-a-bitchery of of this is off the charts, especially since Floyd spent so much time calling Pacquiao little and one dimensional.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Bottom line
If you have nothing to hide, what’s the problem!
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
Must have missed something here
I must have missed something here . Are Golden Boy Productions and Mayweathers management going to demand across the board blood testing for all the fights GBP and Mayweather are involved in ? If not please STFU . If Mayweather is a welterweight why the fark hasnt he faced any of the best ones? Cotto, Margarito , Clottey , Mosely , Berto . All avoided by Mayweather ! Spot on JRok , we didn’t see John Ruiz demand that Roy Jones get tested when everybody with a modicum of knowledge about sports science knew that Jones who once fought at 154 had to be on something to weigh 200 against Ruiz. Floyd managed to avoid the two worst stylistic fights for him to face at 130 . Casamayor and Freitas. He avoided Forrest at 147 – 154 , a bloke who had the right style to beat him . Floyd only faced Judah after he had lost to Baldomir . Its no conincidence Pacs management are lining up a fight with Clottey , a beast at 147 while Team Mayweather are talking about fighting a 140 pounder who Hatton and Cotto smashed. It was team Pac making ridiculous demands that cruelled this fight . Mannys team arent innocent in this regard either ( making Cotto weigh 145) but their demands are not as extreme as Floyds. Mayweathers underhanded weigh in antics against Marquez gave Roach has every right to demand Floyd fight at the weight he is supposed to. I blame Ray Leonard LMAO As great a fighter as he was he invented this pre fight advantage seeking . See the Hagler fight ( which I thought Ray won, but 12 rounds , 10 oz thumbless gloves and a carpark sized ring made the win a bit sus to say the least) . Cheers fellas .
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