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Amir Khan could be a 2011 opponent for Floyd Mayweather Jr. (Photo by John Gichigi/Bongarts/Getty Images)

First off, I want to apologize for the lack of updates lately, but as serious boxing fans I'm sure you're all quite aware that we're in just about the slowest news and fight cycle I can remember in the last four years. We're just about to flip the calendar to October, and there's not a major fight on American TV until November.

I'd like to note first that Ray Oliveira's comeback has been canceled. "Sucra" Ray is about to turn 42 on October 6, and you probably remember the scene in 2005 on ESPN2 when Ray was fighting Emanuel Augustus. It was scary to watch, and was Oliveira's last fight. For those who don't remember it, take a look. The class and sportsmanship shown by Augustus was nothing short of truly commendable, but the fact is, Ray just shouldn't be fighting. The word from his camp was that it wasn't a brain injury, but a neck injury, but even still. I don't think anyone remembers Ray Oliveira as less than the fighter he was simply because of this. He was set to face Joey Spina, but has been replaced by Antwun Echols. And there ends the praise of the Connecticut athletic commission. Echols is 38 and has won one fight since 2004, going 1-9-3 in that stretch, including some cringe-worthy efforts on TV. It's a bad replacement for what was a bad fight, and it just shouldn't be happening, but if Echols passes the commission tests, you can't stop him. Best wishes to both fighters.

Richard Schaefer has recently been talking up a potential fall 2011 fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Amir Khan, which I honestly do find very interesting. Khan has Marcos Maidana on December 11, and the plan after that is to match him with someone else at 140, though the way things are going in negotiations, it sounds like Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander will meet twice in 2011. Khan is one of the very few guys in the sport who can keep pace with Mayweather in the hand speed department -- in fact, for pure hand speed, I think he's the fastest guy in boxing, including Floyd. He's coming into his own right under the tutelage of Freddie Roach, and he'd have a height advantage on Floyd, too. I know Amir Khan still has his doubters, but I'm not one of them anymore. Wladimir Klitschko had a rotten chin, too. He learned to defend and protect it while utilizing his superior skills. Khan is in the process of doing the same. I'm certainly not ready to say Amir would beat Floyd, but he's one of the few guys I'd give a legitimate chance. And don't forget, Mayweather is not getting any younger.

HBO being dark for all of October is something that must have been largely unavoidable. They did try to put together an October 2 triple-header show with Andre Berto, Sergiy Dzinziruk and Celestino Caballero a while back, but that didn't pan out. Still, it stinks for boxing fans. ESPN2 is in their boxing off-season, and Showtime has nothing but a couple of ShoBox cards that aren't that interesting, though there is some curiosity in Antonio Tarver's October 15 move to heavyweight. November and December are absolutely jam-packed for major fights, which is nice, but it comes at the expense of stateside boxing fans having little to watch for a month and a half.

Speaking of Antonio Tarver, I wish he would just stick with his commentary job at Showtime, because for one thing he's good at it, and for another thing he's old and not the fighter he used to be. Tarver has said recently that America needs a recognizable heavyweight, and I know he thinks he's that guy, but the truth is, nobody cares about a 42-year-old Antonio Tarver any more than they care about Shannon Briggs or Evander Holyfield. Yes, Tarver used to be a star, but not in some Golden Age for boxing. Tarver still has skills, but physically, he's just slowed down. Nagy Aguilera is a nice first test for the jump in size, but the chances of him beating one of the Klitschkos are minuscule.

James Kirkland is out of prison and headed back to the ring on November 6. James, from every boxing fan who loves the way you fight, keep it together this time. You're too good and there's too much money to be made to blow it.

Look, fighters fight too long all the time, and I've mostly accepted that that's going to be the case for Shane Mosley, too. But does anyone else find it disturbing how vigorously the likes of Golden Boy, HBO and others in boxing are talking up his "future"? These people know that Mosley's a finished fighter. Many of them probably consider him a friend. The WBC's Jose Sulaiman is talking up a fight between Mosley and Saul Alvarez, which isn't the worst idea I've heard since Mosley is going to keep fighting. If you're going to fight, at least get real money out of it, and maybe even "pass the torch." But do none of these people have a shred of worry about Mosley?

A lot of people are talking about Oscar de la Hoya's recent statements that boxing needs one super promoter, sort of like the UFC in MMA. They're talking about it as if him saying that matters. Boxing fans have been saying the same thing for years. Oscar de la Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions are no closer to making that a reality than anyone else ever has been. It's nice that he's repeating the things that thousands of people have been saying for years and years and years, but forgive me if I don't see it as sincere or meaningful.

While I have my doubts he can fight well at 168 pounds, I'm glad Glen Johnson's in the Super Six instead of Jermain Taylor, a name some expected to replace Mikkel Kessler. If Taylor ever does come back, he's going to need to get some lesser work in first, and he hasn't made a peep about fighting again since he pulled out of the tournament earlier this year, plus he doesn't have a promoter anymore.

Five fights I absolutely want to see in 2011, ignoring Mayweather-Pacquiao and Klitschko-Haye (either Klitschko): Kell Brook v. Mike Jones, Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. v. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, Celestino Caballero v. Yuriorkis Gamboa, Lucian Bute v. Andre Ward, and Saul Alvarez v. Alfredo Angulo. The last one makes very little sense for anyone involved, really, but holy crap could that be a war.

I'll admit it: I suddenly and strangely find myself rooting for Zab Judah to keep it going and make some noise again at 140. Those young bucks at 140 need opponents, and the reality is that they can't keep fighting each other (though it's nice that they're about to). Judah could be an X-factor in an exciting weight class.

I'll admit something else. As much as I'm trying, I've lost a lot of interest in the Super Six. The Green-Johnson fight does very little for me, and the other two fights are going head-to-head with what I feel is simply a superior HBO main event. Luckily, I'll be able to catch Froch-Abraham that afternoon, but I expect Ward-Dirrell to be so dull of a fight that there's just no way I'd watch that ahead of Marquez-Katsidis, which is a Fight of the Year candidate on paper. But I do keep reminding myself that the tournament is something new for boxing, and our knowing for a fact that X is to face Y next kind of makes all the between-fights junk a bit more unbearable, I think. It's different, and really is something I wouldn't mind getting used to.

The best fight in October? Toshiaki Nishioka against Rendall Munroe on October 24. And the more I think about it, the more I raise Munroe's chance at the big win. Nishioka is a good fighter, but he's also 34. Munroe is no spring chicken at 30, but he's had less wear-and-tear by far, and fights as hungry as anyone. My guess is still that Nishioka is just too good and too strong for him, but I think Munroe has a chance at the upset. When the fight was signed, I really didn't.

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Good stuff here.

Re: Mosley.Some like to remind us from time to time that there are nice people making a living out of boxing but they are far outnumbered by the hard hearted,greedy and sometimes cruel people involved in the game,imo.
Mind you,in a sport that requires that you be at least a bit hard hearted and cruel to compete,that’s no big suprise.
Mosley should have retired after the Mayweather fight and is just deluding himself and/or greedy for more money.He is surely well set financially for life now.Real friends would have a quiet word with him and try to persude him to hang em up(maybe some have).
If he is to fight on,then i agree the Alvarez fight would be a symbolic passing of the torch but i would rather see guys who are not starting to slur their speech fight each other.
Finally some great fights are lined up for the last two months of the year.
Nov 28th is a sweet day for boxing,especially if you are watching int he US,with Abraham v Froch followed by JMM v Katsidis.Should be two barnburners there.
Dec 11th looks like it’s gonna be ram jam stacked too,even more so if Frank Warren makes a big bill over here in the UK.
We would have Warren’s probable four or five fight card
Khan v Maidana(plus undercard),
Wlad v the next victim
Perez v Agbeko and Mares v Darchinyan.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Great write up, Ive also lost interest in the Super Six and damn, October really does suck for Boxing. Luckily I love both Boxing and MMA and am really really REALLY looking forward to Lesnar vs Velasquez. =)

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Oct 1, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Bob Arum

and Frank Warren may have agreed to match Kell Brook v Mike Jones in 2011,after each has had their next fight,according to a report i read.
What do you think the chances are of that fight happening,Scott?
Also i wonder who they will find for Brook’s fight on Dec 11?
Some obscure Eastern European most likely.Hopefully a decent test whoever he is.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I suppose John O’Donnell would be an option,though not exactly the standard Brook needs to be looking at now.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it

Jones is promoted by Russell Peltz, not Bob Arum. Not too sure what the situation is there, but Arum’s said a few times he has no piece of Jones, but that he has some arrangement where he’s helping Peltz out.

Also, not sure why FW would put Brook in there with someone like Jones when there probably are bigger names available for bigger money.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

it was from a tabloid type website so maybe it was just talk.
Warren has mentioned both Jones and Arum together a few times lately though,if his qoutes are to be taken as real.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who

do you think are some other decent name options for Brook’s next fight,Brick?

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a loose way of putting it. Arum seems to be angling to make Jones a Top Rank fighter, but for now he’s still under contract with Russell Peltz, who was having trouble doing anything at all with Jones.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

By which I mean, he has no contract at all with Top Rank.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last night on Fight Night Club

Mosley was saying he wants Pacquiao next, or a Cotto or Margo rematch. As he’s talking about this, he was having a little trouble putting his words together. He just needs to stop.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve heard him talk enough times to know he has taken too many punches.
It’s the start of something.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems a bit funny that some of us fans are more worried about Mosley’s well being than soem of those close to him.
Then again,he’s a grown man and if he wants to fight and he passes the relevant medical checks,i suppose it’s up to him at the end of the day.
I know i won’t enjoy watching him turn into a punch drunk palooka though.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the cases of folks like De La Hoya or Hopkins, at least a part of it could be that they would want to be treated the same way if they were in the same situation. In fact, Mosley himself felt the same way years ago. When they were still married, Jin Mosley blogged about it. The blog post has gone down the memory hole, but the relevant part of it went like this:

I once asked Shane: Is it really all worth it?

He answered: Yes.

I asked: Would it be worth brain damage?

He answered: Yes.

I asked: Could it be worth losing your life?

He answered: Yes.

I asked: Would you do it all over again?

He answered: Yes.

This is just how some fighters are. They would rather be hurt doing what they love than not do it. A boxer’s friends need to watch out for him, but if the boxer’s friends are also boxers themselves, they’re probably the worst people to depend on. They all might have the same blind spot.

by taco pal on Oct 1, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It reminds me a bit of the main character in The Hurt Locker.

by taco pal on Oct 1, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m not saying that greed isn’t another part of the explanation, or even the biggest part. But it may not be all of it.

by taco pal on Oct 1, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Points

Taco.
I bet you are right.Most boxers just love to fight.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If i did quote you to the word Ted,i wasn’t aware of it at the time but now i think of it,it does ring a bell.
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery….. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Was--

I saw that too.

If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss

by BoxAnne on Oct 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

i think i was 4th to note it,about 11 months back. :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Money rules.

" But do none of these people have a shred of worry about Mosley?

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Oct 1, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

sadly, I know you're right

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a reminder

Despite there being no decent fights this week, there’s still a TBB game – http://www.theboxingbulletin.com/2010/9/29/1720270/the-boxing-bulletin-pickem-game-season-3-week-8

Even though Ulises Solis is kicking everyone’s ass.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff on this thread BTW

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Oct 1, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Now Australian Heavyweight Alex “The Lionheart” Leapai is calling out Klit. This is getting mondo bizzaro.

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Oct 1, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not confident he'll even win the Walker rematch

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now Chisora? Christ1 Who next? Danny Wlliams? This is downright freakish.

Rahman is atrting to look legitamate and that really scares me. Is there no one out there? Can anyone hear me out there? Where are yooooooou?

Pray for Nick Charles

by Kid Blast on Oct 1, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Chisora still isn't finalized

And I’ve heard he’s negotiating with Dimitrenko now as well, since Dimitrenko’s fight fell through. I guess Dimitrenko is a bit more legitimate, but not much.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khan Who!!

Please stop with trying to hype Khan up like he has a chance with Mayweather. See this is how it all starts with this hyping up of these fighters and when they get beat real bad and embarrassed in the ring like they just started boxing, everybody wants to say that Mayweather hasn’t fought anybody.Mayweather is in his own lane in boxing, NO CROSSING THE YELLOW LINES!! Khan just got over here in the states and there should be no mention of this guy and Mayweather in the same sentence, paragraph, or statement.

Also again, Zab and Paulie 2011, because the fight makes sense and sells itself from the fighters to the venue. A perfect NY event on a Saturday.

If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.

by Haans Bishop on Oct 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, yes, Mayweather hung the moon in the sky and shouldn’t even fight anymore because nobody’s good enough. Shoot him a tweet and tell him to retire for the fourth time and stick to it, then.

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by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see Khan giving Mayweather serious problems for a few rounds

before getting knocked out cold.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 1, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll reserve judgement until i’ve seen him fight Maidana and Bradley/Alexander first.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Floyd

is starting to slow a little bit,imo(not necessarily just hand speed,reflexes in general) and that is part of the reason why i think Manny has a great chance to beat him.
If Khan does get past the best at 140lbs he might get lucky and catch Floyd at the right time but like i said i wouldn’t want to say yet.
Khan has a lot to prove,imo……….He hasn’t even given Prescott that rematch! :)

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have my doubts about Khan.For one thing you would think he would be eager to avenge his only (devastating) loss,as most fighters do.
He obviously thinks he is the better fighter so why not prove it?
To be honest i think the new Freddie Roach trained Khan would beat Prescott in a rematch but the blemish on his record still shows LKO1 and i would have thought someone with his ego would want to clear that up.
Does his punch resistance still worry him?
The Maidana fight should answer a few questions.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

He obviously thinks he is the better fighter so why not prove it?

I do honestly think part of it is that by the time Khan might have been set for a rematch after getting used to working with Freddie Roach, Breidis Prescott had already killed his own hype.

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by Scott Christ on Oct 1, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a fair point but then again it’s debatable whether,had Prescott carried on winning since the Khan fight,would Khan be looking for the rematch.I doubt it.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a little bit irrational. Logically, he should “clear that up” and then some by beating guys who are better than Prescott.

by taco pal on Oct 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how it would be irrational.Obviously it’s too late to do it now but he could have done it before the moving up to 140,as Lennox did with Rahman,as Wlad did with Brewster.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 1, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I mean is that fighting Prescott necessarily means not fighting someone else. If the someone else is better than Prescott, then choosing Prescott over that someone else for the purpose of making one’s resume better doesn’t really make sense as a means to that end. It’s based less on reason than on symbolism or sentimentality.

I know he fought Salita but that was a mandatory.

by taco pal on Oct 1, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

if he beats Maidana who is the “better” type of fighter (and a banger at too) that you refer to i will give Khan credit but he has only faced non-punchers so far since Prescott (and in the rest of his career,really).
I like Khan as a young boxing talent and as a fellow Brit i want to see him do well and i see SC’s point about a Mayweather fight but i think that what Schaefer said as getting too ahead of himself.
I see Khan beating Maidana as it happens but i also think it will be an even more cautious and defensive display than he put on against Kotelnik.If that’s what he has to do to win though,fair enough,imo.
I would just like to see him fight and beat the best at 140 before we start talking about fighting P4P no.1(or 2) fighters.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 2, 2010 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maidana brings everything to the table that Prescott does

and is world’s better. If he beats Maidana, it answers the question about whether he can avoid getting knocked out by a puncher. And if he can most of the time, there’s nothing preventing him from becoming a P4P level fighter. Outside of the horrible ass chin, he’s much more talented than Bradley or Alexander, just they don’t have a glaring weakness like he does.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 2, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realise

that Maidana is obviously better than Prescott.I quoted “better” in reference to Taco’s comment,not to be sarcastic.
Lets see how he goes first before getting carried away with him beating guys like Malignaggi and Kotelnik.
As we know it’s a huge step up from those guys to Mayweather.
I agree though that on pure talent and ability,Khan beats all three of them and maybe even by fairly wide margins.
The chin question still has not been answered yet though and to refer back to what SC mentioned regarding Wlad,i think the reason Wlad has not been hurt or KO’d since Brewster is as much to do with the fact that he has faced terribly weak opposition(relatively speaking) in the main as it is to do with Manny Steward and Wlad’s more cautious style.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 2, 2010 6:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Just remembered he was knocked down by Sam Peter but that was only a few fights removed from the Brewster loss,to be fair to Wlad.
If Khan trades punches at any time with Maidana there’s a good chance he could get knocked down,if not out.

by Matt Mosley on Oct 2, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

RETIREMENT AND RAY OLIVEIRA

Ray has had a good career and he needs to step down from the game. He has nothing to prove to any one and Ray is as brave as any fighter who ever stepped into the squared circle. Walk away Ray, you have had a good career and now it is time to hang up the gloves.

by Tex Hassler on Oct 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Floyd

vs. Khan will not look like a good move on Floyd’s part, IMO.

Just look like he’s avoiding Manny.

by Don From Prov on Oct 2, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, It Will

‘cause he is. Be funnier still if he starts ducking khan, who I can almost see beating him, and might at least give Money a real run for his money—floy doesn’t have much ko power, a soothing thing for Khan, and Khan imo is faster than Floyd. And we’d have fall down hysterics (at least I would) if the kid actually beat him. And he might, he might.

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by BoxAnne on Oct 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think....

That Floyd would end up dropping this Khan in the ninth or tenth. Floyd WILL land many hard, flush shots. He is an expert sharp shooter and has been forever. I do think Khan could keep up with him and probably win a handful of rounds but Floyd would most definitly break him down and put him on the canvas eventually. But if Khan shows good enough defense to hold Maidana off and win then HOLY CRAP Floyd vs Khan would be a hell of alot cooler.

by FrontHandMan on Oct 2, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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