CompuBox PunchStat Report: Vitali Klitschko UD-12 Shannon Briggs
by Bad Left Hook on Oct 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
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Torn, evidently
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well, OK
Now I see why he never used it even for defense—what I don’t see is why didn’t THEY see, in his corner?!? I was seeing it on a 3″ × 4 1/2" screen with poor sound—they were looking right at him.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
If there's anyone who questions whether someone should have stopped the fight sooner
Now, he is in Hamburg’s Eppendorf University Hospital with a broken left orbital bone in his face, a broken nose and a torn left biceps, Empire Sports and Entertainment promoter Greg Cohen told ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5696131
“His biceps is a very serious injury and they have to do surgery, and he’ll probably be there for a week,” Cohen said. “It might require more than one surgery.”
Cohen said rumors that Briggs, 38, had suffered a brain hemorrhage were not true and that he was resting at the hospital and had even joked around with him before he left Germany.
“I wouldn’t be here [in New York] if he wasn’t OK,” Cohen said. "He was in intensive care after the fight for precautionary reasons. The injuries are not life-threatening. He’s just banged up, but it’s not life-threatening or very serious. Other than the injuries I described, everything else is OK.
“He walked out of the arena on his own. They wanted to put him on as stretcher, but he wouldn’t let them. He’s going to be fine.”
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ted..
I never saw the fight, but, reading some of the lads comments on here today, the phrase “bravery above and beyond the call of duty” comes to mind. I hope Briggs recovers well.
Bravery or just plain stubborness, but he sure never indicated he wanted to quit. I have
new respect for him. I also think Wlad would have taken him out any time after the 5th round with one big right hand. That’s what makes his so different from his brother. He uses clean one punch KO’s, while Vitali muggs and beats up his opponents over a long period of time. At the end of the day, Vitali does more damage. Very brutal in there. And he also is in great shape. He knows how to pace himself. Each Klit is very diffrent.
Pray for Nick Charles
At a bare minimum
He tried his hardest for all 12 rounds. He just didn’t have enough left in the tank to try all that hard late on. But he never just quit trying during the fight the way guys like Tony Thompson or Ruslan Chagaev did against Wlad.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It seems like Briggs's manager has refuted that report.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And the ESPN article is the only one I've seen that actually has a quote from anyone involved.
I hope not though. Commentators are already pointing to this fight as a reason to reform the sport:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-marino/vitali-klitschko-pounds-o_b_765775.html
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gordon is one of my favorite writers and a close friend. He is spot on.
However, most of the damage in boxing takes years to accumulate. It is often only when fighters enter their fifties that it becomes time to pay up for all of the punches they have bought. And anyone who has ever attended a large gathering of former professional boxers will know just how hefty that price can be
Pray for Nick Charles
Funny how you almost never hear this about pro football though
And they’re in just as bad of shape as often as not.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Interesting Point
I personally consider the condition of aging football players the best kept secret in sports. There’s good evidence that, although less immediately deadly at least at professional levels, overall the brain damage incurred by football players, including those who never play again after high school, is long-term catastrophic and nearly universal. Estimates of the percentage of boxers so afflicted hovers at about 20%. All figures are suspect, as no sport seems over anxious to let any statistics or facts of any kind negatory to their interests reach the public
One place with interesting insights and actual figures that I cited once before is a New Yorker article entitled “Offensive Play: How Different are Dogfighting and Football?” by Malcolm Gladwell, from the October 19, 2009 issue.
Football kind of replaced boxing, as far as mainstream acceptance is concerned, by 1. being predominantly white and “collegiate,” and by appearing harmless and player-safety-oriented through the use of heavy duty guard gear—helmets, the shoulder pads, the whole armor they wear—in other words, sanitized. But as far as repeated head injuries is concerned, it’s much worse than boxing. Can you imagine the NFL admitting it though? Even more amazing to me is that unlike boxing, where amateurs are very, very protected and rarely seriously hurt, most of the dying and permanent quadraplegia (averaging 3 kids under 17 per year in Texas) in football takes place at the high school and college levels.
But there’s so much money in it—they can’t let the negatives out the closet.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Eureka!
www.gladwell.com/2009/2009_10_19_a_offensive.html
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
They have finally taken some serious steps toward safety with concussions this year, at least, but there’s still the Old Football Player stigma about playing tough and through the pain that sneaks out every time someone mentions their new concussion rules. I find that disturbing, really. We’ve learned a lot of things since 1967, and in 40 years we’ll have probably learned a lot more that’ll make what happens now seem kind of stupid, too.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 18, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mainstream Perceptions Matter
Because the mainstream makes the rules.
Commentators are already pointing to this fight as a reason to reform the sport:
Late in the fight—rnd 9 or so—I started worrying about this. If I thought that fight was boxing, I couldn’t love boxing—I know it’s not, but too many people see only highlight reels of things like this when the prunes crank up, and what can they think? Fights like this harm more than the boxer/victim—they really harm the sport. And it’s not just that ref, where were the rest of them? Same with the Yuri Foreman/MercJr. thing, altho not as bad—looked real bad. And wasn’t real good, especially re mainstream press.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
While it may not have helped regarding the mainstream press
Such acts of courage tend to make more fans for the fighter. I know Foreman did after his fight with Cotto based on the response here at BLH. I agree that it can potential harm them, but I think they would care more about perceptions from actual boxing fans instead of the mainstream press who usually aren’t boxing fans.
by Polish Rifle on Oct 18, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
I’m sure you’re right about the perception the fighters care about—namely, those who aren’t mainstream but are real boxing fans, and I’m lifelong anti-mainstream on all kinds of things, but—there’re two (or more) issues that come to my mind—1. the decision can’t always be the fighters,’ because their judgement may in the event be impaired (the heat of battle isn’t very different from the heat of passion) so they need to be protected from being dangerous to themselves (which is not to say they haven’t the right to call their own shots if they aren’t concussed or generally over-adrenalined at the moment, tricky call) 2. the decision can’t always be the fighters’ because insisting on going out on their shields may be, as in a case like this one, dangerous to the sport. I worry that when in the cloistered environment of sports/boxing fandom, it’s easy to forget how powerful some of the prunes can be. And the fact is, that fight really should have been stopped—I take no reassurance from his promoter, manager and trainers that all was groovy, what else are they going to say? That’s ostensibly why there are referees, doctors, and commission officials at ringside, just because it can’t always be the fighter’s decision.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Matt
That’s right mate, I just read it too.
by Phill on Oct 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another report saying no brain injury
It seems this all originated from a Fightnews report that was later changed.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It says
He conditioned deteriorated and he “displaying symptoms associated with neurological problems”..
Briggs stepped up and for 12 rounds
did not back down. Which is a lot more than can be said of Haye.
by erasedcitizen on Oct 17, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But Haye remains rested and healthy as he waits for the klits to either retire or get too old.
Pray for Nick Charles
If that’s the case (and I don’t doubt your observation) then he should have been a banker, or a store manager or whatever, instead of being a fighter.
by erasedcitizen on Oct 18, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Or for their TV contract with RTL to run out
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yes Indeed. I have always maintained that, rightly or wrongly, it's all about money
with Haye and his small entourage. Get the big payday and head for Monaco.
Pray for Nick Charles
Quoted:
Briggs Reassures Fans He is Fine
Arm injury most serious ailment after courageous stand against Klitschko
Two-time Heavyweight World Champion and recent title challenger Shannon “The Cannon” Briggs wants to assure fans he will be just fine after his courageous performance against Vitali Klitschko on Saturday in Hamburg, Germany.
“Thank you all for your concern. Your outpouring of support has helped maintain my spirits through this disappointing period. I want to let you all know that I came to the hospital Saturday night, strictly as a precautionary measure, and after several tests the doctors concluded there were no severe head injuries. However, I am still undergoing tests to determine what kind of surgery I will need on my left bicep because of an injury I suffered in the first round of the fight.
Unfortunately, the injury kept me from fully executing my fight plan. Not to take anything away from the brilliant performance by Vitali Klitschko on Saturday night, but had I not injured my arm so early on, who knows how the fight would have concluded?
We are grateful to the fine doctors and people of Hamburg for the excellent care and support they’ve given me thus far. And as a life long asthmatic, I’m truly grateful to Dr. Charles Hensley and his homeopathic formulation Zivair that helped make it possible to go 12 rounds and compete for the WBC title.
As witnessed Saturday night and throughout my career, I never gave up, even when my breathing was out of order and the arm injury kept me from being 100%. Despite prior reports, throughout the contest my trainer, Herman Caicedo, wanted to stop the fight, but I made it clear that stopping was not an option. Thank you for all of your support and hopefully I showed you the heart of a lion and the perseverance of a champion.”
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