Wladimir Klitschko and Derek Chisora, at this morning's press conference officially announcing their fight to take place in December. A whole slew of pictures from the press conference, including the big men hanging out with a bunch of pee wee hockey players, is available at the Klitschko's Facebook page. Photo by Sörli Binder.
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Chisora has as good as a chance to win as Sam Peter had. He’s a bit raw, but he’s got some good skills. Hell, he has nothing on Wladimir, but Chisora will make himself proud with his performance I think. Wladimir is the king though and will still win by KO.
I don’t think Dafs is being daft at all. Wladimir will win – I entirely agree with you – but who’s to say Chisora won’t do himself proud in there? He’s got decent skills, is good defensively and offensively, and has always showed a really big desire to win in the ring. He’s not going to win, but he’s also not going to be a punchbag. Its not a great fight at all, but its not a bad one either.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 18, 2010 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m actually expecting he’s going to be a punching bag. The gulf in class between these two is truly enormous. I don’t mind the fight, same as I didn’t mind Vitali-Briggs. Someone has to fight the Klitschkos, and Briggs and Chisora are at least willing. More than we can say for a lot of guys. Still I think he’s going to get creamed.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 18, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m genuinely not so sure. I’m certain Wladimir wins, don’t get me wrong; but I think Chisora could actually cause him some problems. Again, its the same question of ‘can he get past the jab?’ – and the answer will probably be no; however, I like Chisora’s aggression in the ring, and I fancy he might be able to rough Wlad up and cause him a few problems. Huge respect for the step up in class.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 18, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agree with the respect for stepping up in class
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't think Chisora has anywhere near Peter's one punch power
And that’s a huge factor when facing a guy without a stellar beard
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He certainly doesn’t, and it is another problem for Del Boy. However, I think he is a bit more subtle than Peter, and his game is more well-refined. Whether that will have any bearing whatsoever on the fight, who knows, but I think he’s got as good a chance as a slow, lumbering, agricultural fighter like Sam Peter.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 18, 2010 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I disagree
Both men have a 0% chance of outboxing Klitschko. Peter at least had a chance of knocking him out. Chisora, on the other hand, twice went to points against a guy who was a KO1 victim of Albert Sosnowski.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Chisora’s straining his neck upwards as well. Eek.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 18, 2010 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The heavier the weight, they harder they fall.
Woe is the Heavyweight division of professional boxing. This is in no way the fault of the Brothers Klitschko, the two reigning kings. They are just doing their job. And doing it well.
But how exactly does a guy with fourteen fights against thirteen and a half unknowns get to fight for the what was once the most revered championship of the world?
Derek Chisora is not Leon Spinks. Yes, he has a (very small) chance to shock the world. So does virtually anybody who gets into the ring on a given night. But my god …Chisora’s record is replete with names that make the first forty taxi drivers beaten by Julio Cesar Chavez absolutely famous by comparison.
He's no Pete Rademacher
or Marvis Frazier
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And I think you're overstating how bad his opposition has been by just a hair
I agree he hasn’t faced anyone world class, but at least he destroyed a shot Danny Williams and twice beat Sam Sexton
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Also
His feats seem Herculean compared to the guys Briggs beat to get his title shot against Vitali.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I know Brick, but at least
Briggs fought in the same ring as Foreman, Lewis, Botha, Mercer and McCline. Years ago, yes. but the ring is the ring. And we know him because he entered it with some pretty established heavyweights.
The problem is that while there are no 'world class' fighters for Wlad to fight, neither are there any for Chisora.....
I like this fight, as far as it goes. It’s not Lewis/Vitali, but I like it nonetheless.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
But how exactly does a guy with fourteen fights against thirteen and a half unknowns get to fight for the what was once the most revered championship of the world?
Because the division sucks, nobody wants to take risks, and it is no longer the most revered championship of the world. A lot of things used to be — more and more, I think this is how you have to look at the heavyweight division. It’s not what it used to be, so why does everyone keep expecting it to overnight become compelling again? Who else is there to fight? Chisora is the British champion. That’s about as good as it’s going to get right now. It’s basically this or Wladimir sits around until next spring to wait for David Haye to duck him again.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 18, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bq, It’s basically this or Wladimir sits around until next spring to wait for David Haye to duck him again.
Exactly. It’s not a happy state of affiars, but, realistically, the Klitschkos are just trying to keep busy against the best people who will actually fight them.
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by Drunken cutman on Oct 19, 2010 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Even as a Kid
I generally preferred the smaller divisions, depending on who the HWs were, because they move better. The middleweights and lightweights never got the respect they deserved, nor the dollars—it doesn’t bother me that they are finally coming into their own, I like them.
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I’m shocked and dismayed at your conduct, Mr Sares….. ;)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
To say that the division sucks is,
unfortunately, maybe even somewhat of an understatement.
It’s been a while since I looked forward to a HW championship fight—
And I talked myself into believing that one might be competitive. Boring.
Thank goodness for some of the lighter divisions.
Who do you think Wladimir should be fighting in December? Adamek is fighting Maddalone, Haye and Povetkin have ducked out of fights with him, he’s already beaten Chagaev, Thompson, Chambers, Peter, and Rahman. Solis is doing an eliminator with Austin (who Wladimir already beat). Dimitrenko isn’t interested, Boytsov isn’t interested, Mormeck isn’t interested. Arreola’s still banged up and has lost a lot of credibility. Valuev is on the shelf with an injury. James Toney likes to talk about the “Klitschko sisters” but he’s not going near them, especially in Germany. I doubt the brothers would want to beat the crap out of Holyfield.
There’s just nobody. It was down to Chisora and Robert Helenius or someone else on the same level. Pick your poison. I actually was rooting for Fres Oquendo to get the fight. Not that I think he’d do well, but he’s earned the payday.
But as far as perfect world situations, no, Chisora should not be in this fight. There should be someone better, and Chisora should keep maturing away from Wladimir. But there isn’t anyone, really.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 19, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think Wladimir should be fighting in December? Adamek is fighting Maddalone, Haye and Povetkin have ducked out of fights with him, he’s already beaten Chagaev, Thompson, Chambers, Peter, and Rahman. Solis is doing an eliminator with Austin (who Wladimir already beat). Dimitrenko isn’t interested, Boytsov isn’t interested, Mormeck isn’t interested. Arreola’s still banged up and has lost a lot of credibility. Valuev is on the shelf with an injury. James Toney likes to talk about the "Klitschko sisters" but he’s not going near them, especially in Germany. I doubt the brothers would want to beat the crap out of Holyfield.
This paragraph is pretty conclusive.
I don’t give Chisora much hope at all, but I quite like the fact he has the bollocks to step up and I’ll be really rooting for him.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He refused an eliminator
So I’m not sure why he would take it.
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Rematches before a guy with only 14 fights gets a shot. Maybe Valuev or Chagaev.
Look at it this way. Do you think Chisora could handle Arreaola? I don’t. Give Arreola another shot. My point is that a guy with only 14 fights does not belong in the ring with this monster. Even The White Wolf’s brother or some of the Ukes out there deserve it more than Del. Boy. Beating a totally shot Danny Williams does little for me. And fiight only since 2007 does absolutley nothing for me. How about Alexander Dimitrenko?
Dominick Guinn? Tua?
This is a disgrace.
Pray for Nick Charles
We agree in principle here. I’m hardly defending the fight, just…well, bemoaning the mess that is the heavyweight division, I guess. Still wish it would have been Oquendo, or maybe James Toney.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 19, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
At least there's a chance a Chisora fight wouldn't be boring as hell
No chance at all with either of those two.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I take your word about Chisora, Mr. Sares.
And I think Mr. Christ makes a good point when he asks, “Who else are they supposed to fight?”
My one thought would be, Ted, this guy will have to make himself awful available for the super-cautious W to get him early.
The other thing is, I’ve argued with people on this and on the Unnameable thread about perceptions concerning how good the Klits really are. At this point, I just don’t feel bad for me as a fan but for the brothers as well when I look at their abysmal competition.
How can anyone really know how good they are? And I sense that both brothers would like to be pushed and see where they sit.
They certainly prepare and they appear to be competitors in the best sense. The HW division is a shame, really—
But what are the Klits supposed to do? Tough situation.
by Don From Prov on Oct 19, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the same kind of situation Marciano found himself in--to some degree anyway
Pray for Nick Charles
Marciano was diffeent though
He was often fighting men over whom he had a talent advantage, but who held a size advantage over him.
The Klitschkos are both talented and huge, and therefore hold all the aces.
It might be a minor distinction, but it seems relevant to me.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Reading this post makes me think you completely and utterly miss my point.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Horsecrap. I missed nothing. I rarely do. Marciano had a hugh talent advantage as well. U get the fact that relativly speaking
he was not nearly as big as the Klits or even as big as his opponents, but his talent more than made up for the siz disadvantage. Back then (and before you were born), not too many observers worried about the so-called size issue re Rocky.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
Something happened to my post. I get the fact that relativley speaking, Rocky always
had a size diadvantage, but his talent nullified that. Fact is, back then (and before you were born), no one even mentioned it because of his brutal style and determination. So yes, that even gives morte kudos to the Rock if you hang on your observation.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
But you're talking about relative opponents and achievements
and I’m just saying that while Marciano was awesome, most of the guys he fought were bigger than him.
Klitschko (1 or 2) has never had the size disadvantage, and therefore their fights are seen as much more ‘mismatched’ before and after the event, than Marciano’s…
Marciano = talent advantage vs size disadvantage (which looks like a much more even fight to the casual observer)
Klitschko (1 or 2) = both size and talent advantages (which makes their fights much more onesided on paper….)
I don;t see how you have misread my point so much, but there it is again in very basic layman’s terms….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Spare me the insults, pal. And be careful how you use them or I will indeed become your "hucklberry." Layman's terms my butt.
Rememebr, work the post and not the poster.
Now then, Yes. Marciano had a size disadvantage in your mind. But that was NOT condsidered a disadvantage back then. What you are doing is throwing out some stuff and then letting the reader glean the poing instead og making it your self.
The Klits has a monster siz advantage but not a monster talent avdantage IMO. Their size is the BID advantage becuase it allows them to use their respective jabs to set up the climax. With Wald , that is a KO; with Vitali, it comes as a brutal decision win or brutal stoppage and his opponenst suffer more than Wlad’s.
They are both Super Heavyweights (size-wise) like Briggs, Lewis, Austin, Bowe, Foreman, and Holmes.
Marciano was a cruyiserweight. But many of his oppents were as well. Nottoo many ever had a monster size advantage on him.
Marciano, realtively speaking, had the tools to nullify any size disadvantage that might have existed.
The Klit don’ t sem to have that problem.
BUT—I submit Mariciano’s opposition was better.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
Sorry for typos, but I had an eye exam today.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
You type with your eyes?
You must wear bifocals? :P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
For fuck's sake.
Can you point out a single INSULT in my above post?
Yet again, Sares cries “RAPE!!” when someone disagrees with him…..
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Think through it deepl and you will get it. If his opposition was significantly bigger and if he has always been criticized for
fighting inferior opposition, then the size “advantage” didn’t mean very much and the Rock really held all the aces as well. Lot’s of “ifs” in there, but I think on a relative basis, there is not all that much difference.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
I will say that the Rck's oppostion was light years better than that of the Klit's--recently anyway.
King Pin was a disgrace as was Sosnowski. Del Boy has no business in there with a monster who had had umpteen more fights. It will be a slaughter. I’d rather see Holyfield—I really mean that—becuse I think he could defend himself better than this kid. I do hope his payday is worth the beating he is going to get.
Pray for Nick Charles
Again, this only proves that you conclusively misunderstood what I was saying.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I think he's just saying
That Marciano’s size wasn’t a disadvantage nearly so much as Klitschko’s size is an advantage. As a comparison, most people didn’t consider Tyson’s or Holyfield’s size to be much of a disadvantage, but if either of them were to specifically fight a Klitschko, then it would be mentioned as one. It seems like both of you are in agreement but getting stuck on the semantics. Or maybe I’m just misinterpreting all of this as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Marciano
Wasn’t much smaller than Charles and Walcott anyway . He was bigger than Moore . Similar size to Patterson .Ted’s on the money here . It was only with the appearance of giants like Liston , Cleveland Williams , Ali etc etc later on that people started to mention Marcianos lack of size .
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By saying "I will say," I was mearley making an additional point to engener conversation.
Luck is beining prepared when opportunity presents itself.
I do get your point of the process of elimination, but-----
More tomorrow. I’m working on my book and it’s like getting through the eye of a needle with Gabe Brown. Slow but steady. Thank God for golf and its ability to provide relaxation.
Pray for Nick Charles
unless its the Ryder Cup!!
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I think I may be the only person out there who likes this fight.
I love Hopkins for taking on the best challenge he could in Pascal, and in the same way I respect the hell out of Chisora for taking the fight that David Haye bottled out of. I’ll also be rooting hard for Chisora to pull the upset: he’s an asshole, but I like the fact he comes to fight rather than spend all his time talking. As OliGold said, aggression is his biggest asset, and I seriously don’t want to be subjected to another Wlad/Ibragimov debacle. Chisora is a mean bastard, who is obviously raw, but also obviously believes he can win, or otherwise he’d do a ‘Haye’ and run like hell.
Ted suggested Tua above as a possible opponent for the Brothers Grim, but as the sole remaining member of the David Tua Appreciation Society I have to say that I would not like to see that fight right now. Five years ago Tua would have given either brother problems, and I believed as little as a few months back that Tua could still pose problems. However, he doesn’t wear 240 the same way he used to, looks softer than I’m comfortable with as a big fan of the guy, and unless he both steps up the level of competition in his next fight and also wins comfortably and convincingly, I don’t want to see him carry on much longer at all, much less get between the ropes with T101 or T102. The Barrett fight was horrible for me, and not just because Barrett lasted the distance, or got a draw I felt was harsh (that 12th round deduction was ridiculous, and without it the result was Tua UD-12), but because Tua gassed in the fourth round and couldn’t even pay homage to the devastating nasty bastard he once was. If he trims off 10 pounds and looks sharper in another fight, I wouldn’t mind seeing him fight either Klit, but right now as things stand, that’s probably the most painful potential spectacle in boxing for me.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Ah. Its good to see there’s two of us. Chisora inevitably gets killed now. Grr.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 19, 2010 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really hope that doesn't turn out to be an unfortunate choice of words....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
As one of his biggest fans I wish Hops would piss off and retire Chaos
But his resume post 40 years of age is fucking incredible . Except for Archie Moore it’s unprecedented. Tua has been shot for at least ten years mate , I wouldnt expect too much out of Tuaman these days .
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Briggs has said he plans on fighting again
UGH
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Uh oh. You’d have thought he’d have made a decent buck with this fight, but some folks just can’t get enough. Shame.
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by Oli Goldstein on Oct 20, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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