Video Hype: Carl Froch v. Arthur Abraham
by Scott Christ on Oct 18, 2010 7:55 PM EDT
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PrintHere's the Showtime teaser/trailer for the November 27 fight between Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham. No matter how you feel about the Super Six at this point, this is a really interesting fight, I believe, and one where styles will truly dictate what happens.
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Froch takes this one
As much as I dislike Froch, I have a pretty good feeling he’s going to take this against Arthur “Ow, my balls!” Abraham. Froch’s awkwardness will land enough to carry most rounds with a decent work rate and his chin is sturdy enough to stand up to AA’s “power” (Not really sold on his power at 168).
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Hope You're Right
Can’t wait for this fight. No way can it be boring.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I can't wait for this
It really has FOTY written all over it. I just can’t see Froch lasting 12 rounds of AA’s power myself.
Froch
is no wuss, and is entirely willing to fight filthy, much filthier than AA is accustomed to enduring (and much filthier than I’m usually OK with, but I’ll likely have a blind spot this time). I’m calling it even, and drooling all over my shoes in anticipation.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Come On Frochy
I’ve got a carton of Crown Lagers with my mate Goatsnake on this .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Never thought I would pull for Froch
But AA needs a proper "who’s your daddy’ ass whooping to wipe that impish “I was just following orders” look off his face that he wore after hitting Dirrell.
Now, Froch is clearly no geomitrist. The man never learned that the closest distance between two points is a straight line. His punches are more like dumbell flies than crosses or hooks…but they are punches nevertheless.
Look for Carl to go deep. Down and Dirty. AA can whine all he wants…and he will…but he better be packin more than an occassional punch come fight night. Me thinks a bit of extra protection down under might be in order. Because Carl is a hands on, balls to the wall, do or die, kind of guy.
But then again, so is Abraham.
You Know,
I’m not so sure Abraham is. Not as naturally or as early on as Froch, I’m betting. AA relies on that whine, and takes his time. He won’t have time against Froch. AA is a control freak. I’m guessing/hoping Froch won’t be controllable, and that fighting outside Germany will significantly reduce AA’s sense of and, in fact, actual influence on the referee. All the time AA has been fighting in Germany nobody could get in a body shot because he’d do his pout-and-point thing and make it stop. Those days are over. Froch is no fool, he saw the Dirrell blueprint working, and style differences notwithstanding, body shots are body shots and Froch is perfectly good at them. So maybe I’m not calling it even; I guess I’ve hyped myself into giving Froch the edge, but I don’t think that’s entirely delusional. Love “‘I was just following orders’ look on his face…”—so true. So here’s hoping.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I keep waiting for them to name the officials so I’ll know how much “my stomach is where my testicles are” whining Abraham can get away with in this fight.
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by Scott Christ on Oct 20, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Over/Under on # of AA low blow complaints with 7 being the line.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Oct 21, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted Sares recently sent me a link to
“greatest” Micky Ward body shots. In one fight, Micky very clearly throws a punch to the head of a fallen fighter—
Happens.
by Don From Prov on Oct 23, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It Does,
It was the followup that really made him repulsive to me, and it was still a dirty shot, even if fighters I love have done it—haven’t seen the clip, did it look as if he was—aware of what he was doing? Because you can really see AA take in the opportunity presented, and then act, not just carried there by inertia of motion.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Yes, in all honesty
it looked even more like he knew what he was doing: AA might have been half-stifled reflex + “Let me hit him while I can”— To me anyway. Mickey’s looks more like: “I have a free shot.” Very measured and much more behind it. Again, IMO.
Maybe Ted will forward you the clip. I bookmarked it, but am pretty helpless with this stuff.
And I understand, “even if fighters I love—”.
by Don From Prov on Oct 23, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, here we go--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2K_WoN9wpw&feature=player_embedded
I guess that does it. Can’t recall who the punch comes against but it’s a little way in.
But the clip is very worthwhile anyway. Tell me what you think, BoxAnne—okay?
by Don From Prov on Oct 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
56 seconds in
Not saying anyone should cheat, especially in a way that could a deadly outcome—
And not even saying that Ward does it on purpose: You watch and decide—
But if I were going to hit someone who was down, I’d guess that I would do it more like Micky did.
AA ’s shot certainly looked on purpose, but also half-hearted.
by Don From Prov on Oct 23, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
P.S.
Micky was against Burton. I’m gone. Later.
by Don From Prov on Oct 23, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank You for the Link--You're Right
Definitely not an accident, and—just as deliberate, although there’s no nano-second pause (that I can see) to consider, he could certainly tell what he was doing. But he didn’t call Burton-Augustus an actor for grimacing later, is my no doubt weak distinction. Re the consequences for Dirrell tho, the lunatic backlash against him continues to this day, for which AA is largely responsible—ie, he not only may have retired Dirrell, he may have succeeded in retiring him under a thoroughly undeserved cloud. Which doesn’t make Micky a hero in that clip.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
“ie, he not only may have retired Dirrell on a foul,”
Plus, I gotta say, I didn’t think that AA punch looked in the least half-hearted. It was a short punch, but he wound up for it—with air circles, no less, like in a cartoon—it had plenty of back in it, and it was as powerful as he (and he can) could make it.
A lot can happen in the nanosecond between video frames—there’re a couple of nanoseconds I can’t see re Ward— and it’s splitting hairs, but I guess the AA move seems more calculated and less a — crime of passion than Ward’s does. But that’s not to say Ward’s not responsible for what he did.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I'ltry to view it again, BoxAnne,
But it seemed to me at the time a little half-hearted—
Not a drilling shot like Micky’s. But there is no excuse.
Plus, the stuff about whining is/was out of place—and to perhaps end a career on a foul. …
by Don From Prov on Oct 24, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the Abraham SloMo
but does not include the sloma shot on the same level as the canvas, more or less, from AA’s right, toward his right, that shows best of all the mini-est second of recognition of circumstance, and this little jiggle of a windup, to my mind—
Plus, of course, Burton got up. Had Dirrell been able to get up and were still fighting fit, I’m sure my reaction would be a lot milder.
regular speed— www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceqVTs6Eyg&feature=related especially video seconds 53-58, and precient commentary by Tarver at 222ff.
slomo— www.youtube.com/watch?v-pupzzkY06_U
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
That slo-mo
brings me somewhere other than the fight, BoxAnne—
But it is clear that Abraham fouled Andre.
by Don From Prov on Oct 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I would root for the one that has a better chance at beating Ward, but I don’t think either of these guys will beat Ward… so I will sit back and enjoy the punching. I’ll have to wait longer to see Ward get his ass kicked.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
The One with the Best Chance
of beating Ward lives in Canada. Assuming you do, which it sounds as tho’ you do, why do you dislike Ward?—I find the religious sort of smugness annoying, but I like him OK otherwise. Altho’ interms of totally subjective personality perception, I find Bute noticeably more charming, in addition to being likely the better fighter.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I’m not entirely sure I follow the line of thought that because I live in Canada I can’t dislike Ward? Maybe I didn’t read that right…
In a different thread before, I mentioned why I dislike Ward (and I think you answered me there before). 1) I dislike the whole holier-than-thou attitude, 2) I hate that stupid nickname, 3) I hate that he never wants to fight outside of Oakland, and 4) most of all, I don’t like his fighting style at all.
I dislike Froch quite a bit too, but I couldn’t make a list of why I dislike him.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
Sorry If I Misexpressed Myself, I Meant
Bute (who would at the very least give him trouble) lives in Canada. Of course if you don’t like him you don’t, nothing to do with where you live, I had stupidly forgotten why. Yes those are the negatives, for sure, I can take him or leave him. I like his fighting tho’. Re Froch, it’s his lose-the-smirk-jerk face and generally arrogant attitude. Not really related to his fighting, and maybe not reasonable—just an emotional reaction for me. And he is a dirty fighter, and not an elegant one, but sometimes that’s not enough for me to dislike a fighter. It’s his persona I dislike, and I think that’s why he’s not more popular generally.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Time to defend my Boy
Alright here we go.
1.) So the dude likes Jesus a lot, he doesn’t exactly go out and tell everyone to go become Christian or else they go to hell. Trust me if this were true, there would be no way that I could be a Ward fan.
2.) It’s a terrible nickname (I just call him “the truth,” its soooo much better).
3.) Ward has no problem fighting outside of Oakland. Of his last 6 fights, only 3 of them were in Oakland. The reason that Goossen want him to fight in Oakland is that he has drawing power there, which won’t be true anywhere else. So iff he takes a pay cut to fight elsewhere, why would he want to do it? Also I bet if he had to fight Bute, Ward would be willing to go to Canada whereas Bute would not be willing to go to Oakland.
4.) Kind of a weird thing to say. If you can find the Ward-Miranda fight, you should watch it. Ward’s style in this fight is drastically different than his two fights in the Super Six (constantly switching between southpaw and conventional to confuse Miranda).
Also I know exactly why I dislike Froch.
1.) You lost the Dirrell fight (although not technically) and you lost the Kessler fight. Don’t whine about it and don’t say stupid dribble like “You gotta convincingly beat the champion to become the champion” and use that as an excuse.
2.) You are not better than anyone because your gf is hot. If I wanted to see how hot she was, I would go search it on the internet., I don’t need to hear about it from you every ten seconds.
3.) Illegal tactics in the ring, nuff said.
4.) Arrogance/Smirk-face
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Oct 21, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you’re a super Ward fan, so I’m not really going to engage in a back and forth with you on this. I’ll leave it at, it’s just a matter of opinion. I’m not saying the dude isn’t talented, but he rubs me the wrong way. And yes, I’ve seen the Miranda fight and a few others…I don’t like it. It’s not my cup of tea. Peace!
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
Don’t worry, I don’t take any offense at all, but I would feel bad if I didn’t at least try to change your mind. I most def see your point on the Jesus thing, and I can see complaints about his style. In GBP style, Ward/Froch WHO R U PICKING?!?!?!
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Oct 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dislike both of these fighters, and I think this will probably be a tremendously entertaining fight. Whichever man loses, I will be happy to see it.
Screw AA. Recall his cavalier shrug after the head punch to Dirrell. And the whining! Not a likable guy.
But I dislike Froch even more. His particular flavor of dickishness rubs even more the wrong way. And his “win” against Dirrell still grates on me.
As for my prediction, I predict that whoever loses will blame it on the judges.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
the judges or the ref...
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
This is exactly how I feel going into this fight. I didn’t dislike Abraham before, but I think he does need a little taste of his own medicine now. But like I’ve written above, I really dislike Froch, so I’m a little more inclined to cheer for Abraham.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
Kind of Comical
That it’s sort of a Which One Do You Dislike Most contest here.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Froch might do enough to keep AA off-balance all night--
far from impossible to do. But I think one of those AA mini-explosions are going to leave Froch sitting on the deck.
I used to wonder about Ward, but he’s made a believer of me (not in that way.
I think he handles either AA or Froch. BoxAnne is right: THE fight is waiting up in Canada.
way).
If I could have one posting of not focking up some simple moment, I would be happy.
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