Lemieux destroys Camacho in one
by Brickhaus on Oct 29, 2010 10:57 PM EDT
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In Montreal, Canada, David Lemieux continued to justify why he's one of the most hyped prospect around. He took less than three minutes to finish off Hector Camacho Jr. Lemieux improves to 24-0 with 23 knockouts, 9 of them coming in the first round. Camacho, on the other hand, falls to 52-4-1 with his first loss in several years, albeit against mediocre competition.
Lemieux started out slow for about a minute, feeling out the southpaw. Camacho wasn't able to mount much offense, but kept Lemieux off of him with some upper body movement and feinting. After about a minute, Lemieux nailed Camacho with a straight right that jellified Camacho's legs, and he never quite recovered. As the round went on, Lemieux got more aggressive. With seconds left to go in the round, Lemieux caught his prey against the ropes, unleashed another straight right hand, and knocked Camacho out with an instant knockout of the year candidate. Camacho looked to fall down almost in slow motion, but it was just the ropes holding him up - he was out as soon as the punch hit him. After getting up a good two or three minutes later, Camacho didn't even realize what had happened.
During the broadcast, they said that Lemieux is looking for a title shot in mid-to-late 2011. Before getting there, Lemieux's team needs to find an opponent who is pretty good but who also can stand up to Lemieux's power. Elvin Ayala, who lasted 12 rounds with Arthur Abraham, couldn't. Camacho, who had never been knocked out before other than a referee stoppage, couldn't. We'll have to see what comes next. He's ranked in the top 3 by two sanctioning bodies already, and would be a welcome addition to the WBA's merry-go-round featuring fellow up and comers Gennady Golovkin and Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam.
In other early results:
- Dmitry Sukhotsky scored a sixth round TKO over Aleksy Kuziemsky. Kuziemsky was reportedly outboxing Sukhotsky pretty handily early, knocking him down in the first. As the fight went on, Sukhotsky did what he tried to do (and almost succeeded with) against Juergen Braehmer, going for broke and trying to overwhelm Kuziemsky. Unlike against Braehmer, he succeeded, and got the referee to stop the fight in a somewhat questionable stoppage. On the same card, Gennady Martirosyan won, and undefeated light welterweights Brunet Zamora and Denis Shafikov fought to a draw.
- On the Lemieux undercard, Antonin Decarie got a majority decision over Irving Garcia. Despite coming off a loss in an interim title fight, this was probably Decarie's second best opponent, albeit not a great one. The result can't be too encouraging for Canadian fans.
- In Thailand, Medgoen Singsurat won the mismatch of the month, knocking out an 0-1 opponent. The last seven opponents of the former titlist and Pacquiao conqueror is 12-4-2.
- Also winning tonight: Yuri Barashian, Alexander Kotlobay and Panomroonglek Kaiyarn Hadaogym.
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good lord
I mean, not that Macho Jr. is any great shakes, but Lemieux is just nasty.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Is he the type who can be outboxed by a cutie though?
Only seen him once and he obviuously has big power but i couldn’t see that much else.Looked a bit predictable.
Saying that,the fight only lasted a round :) (against Ayala)
Looks like his power is all he needs,for the time being at least.
like others have said
I think we’ll find that out in time. But he’s got good management and to me, thus far, one advantage he has is that it doesn’t feel like he’s going out there recklessly just looking for a knockout. The knockouts come to him because he picks his spots really well and obviously has devastating power. I like James Kirkland as much as the next guy, but Kirkland fights like a crazy person. Lemieux is pretty controlled, in contrast. But I’m positive he’s not flawless or anything, as nobody is.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Oct 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It likely won't happen
but i would love to see him vs. JCC Jr in a WBC eliminator.
I don’t think Jr will want any part of Lemieux though. :)
The only reasons i’d like to see it is to see Bob Arum’s Chavez hype train violently derailed and also for JCC Jr to fight a real challenge against someone his own size instead of looking for smaller,past their best fighters like Cotto or soft touches like the limited natural welterweight Alfonso Gomez.
Is he the type who can be outboxed by a cutie though?
Looks like his power is all he needs,for the time being at least.
In a Marcos Maidana kind of way?
Hardly Any of His Fights
That I’ve had access to have lasted long enough to know, but that does sort of tell you something right there—and he was clearly thinking while boxing throughout the 2:45 or so of fight that we got, doesn’t rush in all stupid. He went 20 rounds once only, about five fights ago, vs “rugged journeyman” Jason Naugler—didn’t see it, scores in the 100-89 range from the judges.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
"20 rounds" = 10 rounds, of course.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Very nice of you, thank you!
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Checked It Out
Seems to me he should have been able to get that guy out of there—people have, Naugler’s been KO’d twice in his 11 losses. Here, DL is fat, both men a little soft in the middle and Lemieux showing definite handles, which seemed to slow him a lot—much zippier in all other tapes. Naugler seemed to have more height advantage than stats would suggest and a 7" reach advantage (71" to 64"), knows how to cover up, how to duck and how to absorb punishment -but not how to run, chin of stone-kept moving forward (but not punching). On the good side, it’s DL’s only distance fight, and even fat, he didn’t tire. He did win, and on the rare occasions when Naugler actually connected, seemed able to absorb the blows OK.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
"not how to run, chin of stone" should NOT be struck out, no idea how that happened.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Using two hyphens in the same post can do this.
But only if the first is misplaced, as in it is sitting on the back of a word rather than the front of the word before. Normally you’d put it here’-’, but if you put a space then a hyphen before the next word, then use another hyphen later in the post, it strikes out everything in between. :)
Something if you will, like this (hope this works now or I’ll look a tit…
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YIPPEE
Dan Rafael Blog Nov 2, 12:43 pm:
Michel will bring Lemieux back to headline another card at Montreal’s Bell Centre on Dec. 3 (opponent TBA) in a fight likely to be carried again by ESPN3.com.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Re Naugler--Delved Further
Naugler has never been KO’d proper—2 TKO’s, one on cuts, one no info, out of 13 losses. Apparently one of those real cement heads whom no one can knock out.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
LEMIEUX
One thing is for sure, David Lemieux is not short on power. This kid could reach the top if he is not rushed to quickly and given time to learn his trade. Best wishes David from the Lone Star State.
Valero
was certainly doing fine relying mostly on power.And he used to leave his chin hanging out to dry too.
Valero had ...
… faster hands and MUCH faster feet than this kid seems to have, even accounting for the different weight classes.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 31, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Giovanni Lorenzo anyone?
Lemieux’s team needs to find an opponent who is pretty good but who also can stand up to Lemieux’s power.
Not saying he’ll actually stand up to it, but short of the very top of the division, seems appropriate.
...or maybe Lajuan Simon
for the “continental americas” title Simon should win in December?
by geraldmcgrew on Oct 30, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m canadian and i love that we have another exciting fighter up north we can all get behind. but one of the real concerns i have is that as a middle weight hes not all that big/tall and has short arms/reach. when he starts to up the comp that may become an issue
Yeah I’ve thought about it, too. If he’s good enough, he’ll be able to largely overcome that. If he’s not, it could really plague him.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Oct 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Hatton did ok with very short arms.
Lemieux has the right style for success despite that handicap, though,considering he isn’t trying to be a guy who sits behind a big jab, or a lateral mover like Sergio Martinez who outboxes guys. Lemieux looks like he wants to get stuck in and have a row, which means he has a better than average chance that this won’t effect him too much.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He seems to have very smart matchmakers
But who knows. After the fight, evidently on the Canadian broadcast his team said they’re targeting the Martinez-Williams winner by the end of 2011. I think either of those guys give him problems (Williams with his workrate, and Martinez with his craftiness).
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Plus Williams has that AMAZING reach.....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Lemieux Has to Avoid "AMAZING Reaches"
Because in addition to DL’s being fat for that fight (borderline pudgy), I think Naugler’s reach advantage hampered him—on those rare but spirited occasions where Naugler would get into it—a few times in middle rounds in spite of the guy’s general unwillingness to let fly, he had no trouble at all reaching Lemieux.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
If he touches you, you're in trouble.
But from the (admittedly) limited tape I’ve seen he seems to plod straight forward. Can he cut off the ring if someone tries to use lateral movement on him? Or, if he runs into somebody else with pop, can he walk through their artillery in order to get his own offense off?
The Ayala win was really impressive. Last night he did what he was supposed to, as well. However he’s obviously being carefully managed and thinks pretty highly of himself. If he runs into the adversity they’re trying to keep him away from, what happens then? Cuz I’ll tell you now, the middleweight road ends at Sergio and PWill, and the same gameplan he used on Camacho Jr. won’t be nearly as effective at those lofty heights.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Oct 31, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
It seems like he does a decent job of cutting off the ring
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ayala stood right in front of him and traded bombs.
Camacho tried to time him coming in and hit him with the counter.
So in what fight did he display the ability to cut off the ring against a guy who was employing lateral movement?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Nov 1, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Lemieux will need a good beard
If I was training Lemieux I’d be teaching him to fight out of a crouch . He needs to make his lack of height an advantage ala Rocky Marciano , Joe Frazier, Dwight Qawi and Mike Tyson( although Tyson was more upright and used a peek a boo guard ) . Camacho managed to clip the Canadian on the chin at least 4 times as Lemieux came in face first . Against a puncher his own size it could have been Vargas v Trinidad all over again . The kid has natural power but his defence needs some work .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Marciano and Duran
both had short arms . Its as much about timing as anything .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
And ring generalship.
If you can make sure your head is on the other guy’s chest, long arms are actually a disadvantage…..
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Interesting two fighters you bring up. Both men were tough as nails and somewhat squat and short of limb. Duran of course was the better boxer by far. Both guys had killer right hands, and favored the right hand bomb when the time came to end things. However, Rocky, I think depended on it more than Roberto did, as Duran, really, could take you apart in a variety of ways. Rocky just wore you down with his insane conditioning and constant power shots; though often paired with superior boxers, Marciano was simply impossible to discourage and kept coming.
At this stage, it’s tough to tell what else Lemieux has apart from his chilling power as he hasn’t had to resort to anything else. The power has been enough so far. I don’t believe he’s felt threatened in any way by anyone they’ve put in front of him—not yet, anyway. For what it’s worth, he appears very well-schooled, fundamentally.
The “crouch” style might be a good way to go, but that requires a great deal of stamina in order to be effective. The crouch style has favored short fighters with strong legs and stamina who liked to volume punch and HOOK in particular. Despite the broad, powerful frame, I don’t think that’s the kid’s style. This kid has a tranquilizer of a right hand. So, if there was any fighter I might pattern David Lemieux after it would be “The Brown Bomber” himself. Joe Louis, was immaculate, of course, when it come to offense. Defensively, he wasn’t too shabby either, quite adept at slipping with small head movements and slight angular shifts. Also, he was very good at catching incoming fire with his gloves. A classic counter-puncher, Joe was calm and patient and waited for the perfect openings to unload his punches. On the downside, Joe wasn’t very creative when it came to movement and could be outhustled by quick, busy fighters (Billy Conn). Despite fast hands, Joe was rather slow of foot and did seem to plod around quite a bit. Still, his patience, timing, and wicked power more than made up for these deficiencies and served as the formula for successful of the boxing legend.
He’s nearly 5’11" — not soooshort for the weight class that it would be a disadvantage. But his 63" reach is a bit of a problem. I would say that his trainers might want to work a little harder on umm..“streamlining” him a little bit, making sure that he enters the ring with as little excess baggage as possible in order to allow for quicker offensive bursts, quicker counters AND quicker retreats.
Most Points Well Taen,
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
AAAAck!! premature post--Most Points Well Taken,
Tho’ I can’t agree that Duran was a “better boxer by far” (albeit a much dirtier fighter) or even at all than Marciano, I think you’re right about Lemieux, Joe Louis, and, maybe especially, “streamlining.” Lemieux was not in even his usual slightly soft condition—had fallen to just plain soft condition—for the Naugler fight, and something or other, likely fat imo, was slowing him a lot—if losing 3-5pounds speeded him up as much as just dropping back to his current unstreamlined normal did, it might be a big difference.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
GoodOnya Areglado
Always a treat to read your posts mate . I reckon Lemieux should be fighting at 154 actually . He is a lot smaller than the likes of Pavlik . Lemieux must have the shortest reach of any 160 pound fighter I have ever seen . 64 inches – wow. I was sussing the net and I couldnt find a middleweight champ with a reach smaller than 68 inches ( unless I count Duran) . LaMotta was5 ft 8 and had a reach of 67 inches. Gene Fullmer was 5 ft 8 with a 68 inch reach . Zale was 5 ft 7 and 1/2 and had a reach of 69 inches . I don’t think David’s jab is good enough to fight like Joe Louis , Areglado . Louis’ jab was a thing of beauty . LaMotta and Fullmer both fought out of a Marciano type crouch with their weight on their back ( right ) foot which made them harder to hit with a left jab . Its all opinion and its a pleasure to read someones opinions that are based on a high amount of technical knowledge . Cheers Mate !
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Tho’ I can’t agree that Duran was a "better boxer by far" (albeit a much dirtier fighter) or even at all than Marciano
Really??? Interesting. I like Rocky a lot, though not stylistically, and am a confessed Duran fanatic, but I don’t think my position on their skills is anything outrageous. I feel that Rocky’s skills might be underrated by some, but no one was going to mistake him for a “boxer” in the classical sense. Roberto, on the other hand, I feel, could do just about anything in the ring. He could box with the best of them (De Jesus III, Moore, Barkley), and outbrawl them too (Buchanan, Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino). Honestly, I feel Duran was as complete as any fighter in history. Rocky, on the other hand, was very, very good at what he did, which was wear down his opponents to land his big bombs.
Rocky was no Duran
Duran outboxed Davey Moore, Estaban De Jesus and Iran Barkley as Areglado said . Roberto’s head movement was always very good and he had a great jab for his size. He had possibly the best , most versatile right hand I have seen . Tyson copied his right to the body , right to the head combo off Duran. I’d still rate Leonard as the all round better technician than Roberto but its a close call . Both fighters were brilliant on the inside with Roberto having a slight edge but Ray is better on the outside because of his foot speed . At his best Leonard was probably the prettiest stick and move fighter I’ve seen along with Willie Pep and the young Ali . Ray was also a killer like Duran . I love watching his gold medal winning fight in Montreal against Andres Aldama . Aldama was a grown man , and a feared puncher who had won all 4 of his previous fight by stoppage . He was fighting a 20 year old kid in Leonard. Ray hunted him down. Cheers.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Ahh, again, as a confessed Duran fanatic (And Hagler fan to boot), I will ALWAYS find it difficult to say anything nice about Sugar Ray the Second. I was never a huge fan of “stick and move” fighters…But ok, fine, Ray was a helluva fighter as well… hahaha… Floyd’s dreaming when he says he could KO Ray. Dreaming.
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