Wladimir Klitschko v. Derek Chisora: The Implications
by Bad Left Hook on Oct 31, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
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Ted Sares returns to Bad Left Hook this afternoon with an early look at the December 11 fight between world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and challenger Derek Chisora.
"He butted me in our first fight and he should have been disqualified for that. But I couldn't believe it when he bit me..."
--Paul Butlin, bitten by Derek Chisora in a May 22, 2009 fight at York Hall in London
"I respect Derek that he took the chance without considering it too long."
--Wladimir Klitschko.
Haye, Povetkin, Dimitrenko, and Valuev won't fight the 6'6" Dr. Steelhammer for whatever reasons. Derek "Del Boy" Chisora, by some kind of strange process of elimination, now gets his opportunity to earn a big payday and likely get knocked out. And he gets to take on this daunting task in the unfriendly environs of Mannheim, Baden-Württemberg, Germany before a packed house of adoring German and Eastern European Klitschko fans on December 11, 2010. At stake will be the IBF, WBO, and IBO heavyweight titles.
The likable and somewhat idiosyncratic "Del Boy" is a Zimbabwe native who lives and fights out of the United Kingdom and sports a 14-0 record in contrast to Klitcsko's outstanding 55-3 mark and astonishing KO percentage of almost 85.
Surprisingly, at least to me, relatively few are calling this a mismatch even though the chunky Chisora has never fought anyone in he same boxing universe as The Doctor. Danny Williams was totally shot when Del Boy finished him in May, and it took him almost 10 rounds to stop Sam Sexton in September. But many feel Chisora is a young, fast, and hungry opponent who will not freeze like so many other Klitschko opponents and will give it his best when the bell rings. Unlike The Doctor's recent victims, Chisora is light on his feet and has decent ring movement, but he lacks one-punch knockout power. And if Sexton could land easily on him with the jab, imagine what Wald will do. Chisora's best chance is to get inside and maybe hammer and roughhouse Wladimir during the clinches, but that's a lot easier said than done. With Klitschko's long and punishing jab, clinches don't seem to be in the offing for Del Boy. One thing, though, Wladimir needs to keep his distance from Chisora during the stare down. The Finchley man, who definitely likes to play rough, has been known to kiss, butt, and bite his opponents.
Speaking of the Ukrainian bomber, he has not lost since 2004 (a fight he later avenged) and seems to be improving with each outing. His modus operandi is no big secret. He jabs and toys with his opponents for several rounds before going into cruise control. He then picks up the pace as the German crowd senses the beginning of the end and screams "Kleeetschko, Kleeetschko." Though predictable, the late-round end always seems to come in a brutal manner to which Hasim Rahman, Tony Thompson, Sam Peter and Eddie Chambers can attest. Under the watchful eye of Emanuel Steward (who works best with tall fighters), and a savvy corner, Klitschko has become a killing machine who uses a prescribed formula to win and win and win. Will the much younger and much smaller Del Boy be able to handle this challenge, this spectacle? I think not, though I give Del Boy full respect for taking a fight that many others have rejected.
The Implications
Is Derek Chisora is better than most of the heavyweight contenders in the division? If Chisora (the British and Commonwealth heavyweight champion) is in fact a deserving opponent, what does that say about the others out there?
First, Chisora is not, in my view, the best available opponent. My God, he is still a comparative novice and taking on Klitschko brings back memories of Rademacher vs. Patterson in 1957. Of course, some might counter this with the first Spinks-Ali bout. But while Del Boy might not be the best, he clearly is the most willing.
Secondly, fourteen fights against so-so opposition hardly qualify him as viable, but if they do, then the implication is manifest to wit: everyone out there except perhaps David Haye (and maybe Tomasz Adamek and Odlanier Solis) presents a mismatch. Povetkin is a questionable re-work in progress, and most of he others have been dispatched by the Ukrainian brothers. David Tua, off his performance against Monte Barrett, seems to be near the end though I question whether Chisora could stay with him. Jean Marc Mormeck and maybe hard luck Fres Oquendo are others that might warrant some consideration. Denis Boytsov (27-0) has a great record and a great KO percentage, but who has he fought? Even ancient Oliver McCall could become "viable" should he beat Oquendo. If Chris Arreola gets serious and dedicates himself, he could become a factor again, but even now, he would be too much for Chisora. Arguably, so would Johnathon Banks (25-1-1).
The fact is, I'd rather see rematches (maybe with Chambers, Chagaev, Thompson, etc) than mismatches with first-time opponents but therein is the rub. Even the rematches could be mismatches. It's a catch-22.
In the scheme of things, Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, and Audley Harrison are one win away. The heavyweight division is indeed in dire straits.
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Back when this fight was first signed you and I had a little back-and-forth about it. In the end I believe we agreed that the fight stinks and is a complete mismatch, which is the real meat and potatoes of it. What a rotten division.
However, all due respect, I quibble a bit here:
The fact is, I’d rather see rematches (maybe with Chambers, Chagaev, Thompson, etc) than mismatches with first-time opponents but therein is the rub. Even the rematches could be mismatches. It’s a catch-22.
I don’t think there’s any question that the rematches are mismatches. Chagaev and Chambers just don’t have it in them. I wouldn’t terribly object to Tony Thompson getting a second chance, though, and that’s a fair idea for a better fight than Chisora represents at this stage of his career. I don’t think Del Boy will ever be good enough to beat someone as good as Wlad, but I know he’s not good enough right now.
I was also considering calling Chisora “likable,” because on the surface with his antics he doesn’t seem like he is, but I think I agree that he is. He’s got guts, he fights hard, and I expect he’s going to try to win this fight. That’s about all I need, since his offenses are more prickish than downright ugly.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He’s got guts, he fights hard, and I expect he’s going to try to win this fight.
That’s all I need, to be honest.
I don’t want to see another Wlad/Ibragimov, Vitali/Johnson, Vitali/Solis, or the like.
As long as Chisora comes to fight, I’m more than happy to watch him.
Also, win or lose, he’ll have my utmost respect for giving it a go, as long as he does in fact give it a go. (Are you listening, David Haye? I SAID ARE YOU LISTENING DAVID HAYE???!!!)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I see this farce... sorry, fight
In the same light as I saw Tyson v Julius Frances.
Chisora may as well have Budweiser adverts on the soles of his boots.
I don't see it as anything like that to be honest.
Francis was fodder for a supposed ‘marauding’ Tyson; Chisora is an undefeated (albeit untested at the very top level) British and Commonwealth champion, who has beaten pretty much the best of British over the last year. Chisora is a ‘live’ opponent (YMMV), while Francis was simply there to get knocked out. That was his function, Chisora’s is to try to win a world title.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Don't get me wrong Rich, It would be a great result if he could win..
I find Wlad pretty boring to watch, but he’s too much for what I’ve seen of Chis’. But.. I always get the feeling Wlad is scared of getting clocked on the chin too …. so, you never know ;-) Let’s face, it didn’t McCall have his eyes closed when he threw “that” punch?
Still, I steel stand by what I believe, the result probably will be the same, regardless of whether he’s there to win a title or not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Chisora wins, as much as I'd like to see it.
I think he’ll get beaten, and probably stopped mid-late. But this won’t be a first round blow out, in my opinion, because Wlad isn’t the blood-and-guts fighter Tyson could be, and Chisora is a whole lot better than Julius Francis ever was.
But I am saying intent is important here. Francis knew he was there as the fodder, othewise he simply would have told the Daily Mirror to fuck off. He intended to be ‘another Tyson victim’ when he signed the deal.
Chisora intends to win. He probably won’t, but I said ages ago that out of him, Haye, Audley and Fury, the one you could rely most on to actually go in to fight against either Terminator was Chisora. Hell, he knows he’s the underdog, but if he intends to go in there and try his bollocks off to win, then that is more impressive than Francis effectively admitting he had no business in there with an undersized former champion who was at least half a decade past his peak.
That’s why I don’t see the two fights the same way. Francis intended to be the sideshow, Chisora intends to be the main event.
(Then again, I could be totally wrong; Chisora bottles it and goes into a shell and solely tries to survive. I don’t think he will, but it’s possible, I guess.)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Vlad Vs Chisora
Chisora will be another Klitschko victim. No Chance,
Vlad Vill Break Him :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
This fight could
stink as bad as the 1986 IBF title fight between Michael Spinks and Stefan Tangsted. HBO actually bought the rights to see Spinks make a defense against some bloke from Norway…
Also, don’t forget Larry Holmes versus “Frank and Frazier” in 1983…. Jesus…
Derek Chisora is a lamb for the slaughter…. How much are the Klit’s paying Chisora?
I bet this fight will struggle to sell in Germany…. Chisora is a sparring partner for cryin’ out loud…..
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Larry Holmes first five title defences were as follows 1. Alfredo Evangelista ( who the ancient Ali had already beaten ) 2. Ossie Ocasio ( 13 fights at that stage ) 3. Mike Weaver ( who was 19 -8 ) 4. Shavers ( who Larry had already EASILY outpointed ) 5. Lorenzo Zanon ( lmao) 6. The obese club fighter Leroy Jones 7. Scott LeDoux ( 26 – 8 – 4 record going in ) 8. The shell of Ali 9. Trevor Berbick 10. Leon Spinks ( who had lost to Coetzee in a one round blow out and to Ali ) . My point is that the K bros cop a bum deal as far as their challengers go . They arent great but they are no worse than Holmes or Joe Louis’ opponents . Check out Floyd Pattersons list of challengers . Even Ali fought the washed up Williams and Folley as well as Coopman , Dunne , Lubbers etc in the 70s . That being said Wlad by kayo 3 against Chisora .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
"The obese club fighter Leroy Jones." No way was Jones a club fighter. Holmes thumbed in and tore his retina
and Jones had to retire, but he was undefeated going in.
Im Probably Being Harsh
I’ve never had a lot of time for fatties in the ring Ted . Jones was at least 30 pounds overweight and most of it was on his guts and moobs . I like a nice rack but not on a fighter .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
by JC40 on Nov 1, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
first 10 sorry
Counting never was my strong point.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
You have memories of Rademacher v. Patterson?
This fight is garbage of course, but I’m tired of being mad at the Klitschkos for the poor state of the heavyweight division.
In fact, Jay, my memory of fights tracks back to about 1945-47 when I was 8-10 years old. My dad
took me to the fights just about every weekend in the summer. Marigold Gardens or The Rainbow Arena, plus a lot of baseball stadiums that surrounded Chicago. One was across from our hoes and was called Rock-Ola-Stadium.
That's impressive...
I can only wish that I got to grow up in such a time. My best memories of boxing growing up in the late 80’s/early 90’s involve USA network’s Tuesday Night Fights. Not exactly the same thing!
My memory is my forte. If that goes, I go. The trick is to remember things in the context in which they occur. That's why youtube doesn't
make up for live.
Nothing Makes Up for Live--
Few of us can afford it often, or even get to it, so we’re grateful for what we can get.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I know. Right now I am trying to make up my mind wether I want to go to Framingham in a couple of weeks and see some fights.
It means 3 trips into Boston in the month o November. That’s alot of driving. Two trips are boxing related.
CHISORA A CONTENDER?
I agree with Kid Blast that Chisora will be slaughtered! He will also get a good pay check and I cannot fault him on wanting a good pay day. He can at least say, “I fought for the title.” The heavyweight division is so shallow they have to invent a contender and Chisora is not a contender. Dr. Steel Hammer will stay active and sharpen his skills at Chisora’s expense. Arreola and Sam Peter do not want to pay the price to learn their trade and stay in top physical condition and Adamek is the only good prospect out the at this present hour.
My Strong Feeling
Is that if he tries anything like that on Wladimir K, Chisora will be very badly hurt. Remember, brother Vitali liked Shannon Briggs.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
I'd love to see him bite Wladimir.*
maybe we’ll see some fire from him then, maybe Wlad will really go mad, maybe he might take a risk or two if the red mist descends. Chisora biting Wlad in the first round could lead to some real fireworks.
(*Although I don’t actually condone biting. I just want this to be a spectacle, and Chisora getting nasty and dirty with Wlad increases the chances of it being one.)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Chisora needs to hammer Wlad in close amd maybe try to rabbit punch him ala Sam Peter.
But that won’t happen because Wlad and Manny are masters at knowing how to keep a guy away and at bay. Poor Del Boy will be sliced up with jabs and then KABOOM—Wlad will lower the boom with a long right that will send Chisora to Fenchley Dreamland.
I think I've already said:
I’ve never once said Chisora wins this fight.
But I do want to see a ‘fight’, and I think Chisora has it in him to provide one, albeit not for a full 12 rounds.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Wlad is a slow starter, but he also can get pissed off as he did when Manny bereated him in the
Chambers fight and when he said, “I am tryting” in an angry snarl. If Chisora gets him pissed off with something, we might see Wlad with an do an early kill.
This fight simply cannot go into the late rounds on paper. If it does, it will be a moral win for the young Zimbabwean/Rhodesian/ Englishman.
Yeah, this really could only be a few rounds, but so could every Wlad fight. I actually do enjoy watching Wlad work, but I have to admit there are times I’d like to see him finish a guy in five, in part because I know he can.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
There's just nobody out there right now
In a year or so, Guys like Povetkin (assuming Teddy doesn’t do more harm than good), Boytsov, Helenius or Pulev might have a legitimate shot, if the Klitschkos also fade, but it’s still a big “if”. All of them have major exploitable flaws that I just don’t see getting past the Klits.
Haye is out there, but he seems to have little interest and knows the opportunity won’t disappear. You can bank on the fact that he won’t sign to fight them until the Klits’ RTL contract expires in two years.
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Haye will sign the fight he just playing the money game. Dunno why people make out he running, Brewster, Sanders and Puritty (LOL) all showed how vunerable Wlad can be and how shocking fast his defence disappears after he gets rocked.
Haye won’t sign to fight either of them. Haven’t you heard? He’ll retire and be a hollywood action star next year. He wants to give The Rock a run for his money lol
by erasedcitizen on Nov 1, 2010 1:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s improved since then. No offense, but to pretend fighters can’t change is foolish. Wladimir and Emanuel know their weaknesses. They protect them. Ross Puritty wouldn’t smell Wladi’s shit from the hallway anymore.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 1, 2010 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure he can improve his defence, but he can’t change how he acts when he gets clocked. Suppose his problem is similar to Amir Khan.
Agreed, but the problem (for others) is he just doesn’t get hit flush often anymore. Peter got him fairly clean a couple times last fight, and it had little effect. I think years of not getting hit might have improved him mentally a bit, too. But maybe not.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
He had a stamina issue that contrubuted greattly to the Purritty and Brewster
losses and had little to do with his chin. He just ran out of gas. No more, though.
Brewster forced him to fight.
Most pros have great stamina when they are allowed to set the pace—
And that is a key against Klit, IMO. But who out there is going to dictate pace to him?
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
'Ross Puritty wouldn't smell Wladi's shit from the hallway anymore'
that is some turn of phrase you got there dude :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
hey wasn't me :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
One for the poster's Hall of Fame now managed by MRBILL
Ross Puritty wouldn’t smell Wladi’s shit from the hallway anymore.
I know my man "The Homer"
Larry Holmes fought a few lemons and limes during his awesome reign of terror (1978-1985), but he did face stern competition on the whole…… YES! “Evangelista, Ocasio, Zanon, Jones, ancient Ali, Frank and Frazier” were not real good tests or challengers upon their title shots, but let us NOT forget that “Weaver, Shavers, LeDoux, Berbick, Spinks, Snipes, Cooney, Cobb, Smith, Bey & Williams” were indeed pretty goddamn good or tuff as nails…. People who think Holmes had a walk in the park as champion are full of bullspit….. My man Lawrence Holmes never had it easy… He came up the hard way; he worked at it…. WORD!
I also get so pissed when jaggov’s point out that Duane Bobick made Holmes look like a pussy in 1972. SO WHAT?? Holmes was green as a stadium lawn back in ’72… The Holmes of ’77 would slice and dice Bobick to ribbons… TRUTH!
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The Klitschko brothers are boring
I don’t hate them but I just don’t like their style of fighting. No excitement, no fun, nothing but boring. The level of their opponents is also weak but that isn’t their faults. I suggest them to add more fire works in their fights. They have focused their style more on defense than offense since many years ago. Hold, hug, jab, and use the long arms to keep their opponents from getting inside. That’s all I saw they did, and it’s pretty boring to watch. Klitscho v.s. Peter II was a garbage fight and it was just one example of what I’m talking about. You know…… I heard the sound booh………….. from the early rounds to the end of the fight. If Klitschko had put more actions into that fight, he could have knocked out Peter within 5 rounds.
Klitschko v.s. Chisola will have nothing new to watch. They are not the same level as the fighters. I’m not gonna watch this fight.
I'd rather waste ink writing about it than time watching it.
This fight is at worst a joke…and at it’s very best one step above carnival act.
At this point it’s beginning to resemble the latter.
Through no fault of their own, two Russian Bears are trapped in a cage of their own making. They are just that much better than anyone eligible for a match for their crowns. The dearth of talent even remotely in their class is extraordinary; as in never anything like it in our lifetimes.
The barkers who promote this and all of their recent fights might as well either advertise and/or announce that anyone willing to challenge either KBro will get paid. Win or lose.
If they make it over a certain number of rounds, they make a bit more. If they win…drum roll please….the world is their oyster. Fat chance of the latter considering Chisora even represents a challenge.
“So, be a man! Step right up and see if you can fight or what you can do with either of these Russian Giants. Get beat but get paid.Impress your lady.”
Me, Imma going into the next tent to see the the other acts.
I here tell there’s a itty bit of a man fighting a big ass lying, cheating Mexican outlaw.
With his fists.
Meet me after your show is over.
There’s a pig flying act I don’t want to miss.
right up and
Who should they fight, then? Should they just retire and let the scared cats then fight for their belts? I’m not trying to be a dick or anything I’m just curious. I mean, I can’t really blame them if they’re just better than anyone in the division. Striving for excellence in one’s craft isn’t a sin.
by erasedcitizen on Nov 1, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, but how about their good not being to everyone else's good?
Or others being too bad for their own good? Whose fault all of that—
And what, in the end is the good—
Not the same as the beautiful: That is for damn sure.
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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Ted -
This is hugely coincidental.
1. I saw Chisora beat Sexton while over there. He’s not bad, and is gutsy and busy, but of course he doesn’t punch hard enough.
2. I was about to write an article on the Klitchkos for a local magazine, and was going to start it with the comparison between Patterson/Rademacher and Wlad/Chisora, pointing out though, that there the vague similarity ended. Patterson fought Rademacher not because he was lacking credible contenders, but because he was avoiding them – especially Liston.
Wlad and Vit have to actively go looking for credible opponents because they’ve either beaten them all already, or because the contenders don’t want to know.
Isn’t it dreadful that Ray Austin can be ranked number one by the WBC.
Keep well. Cheers – Graeme.
‘Wlad and Vit have to actively go looking for credible opponents because they’ve either beaten them all already, or because the contenders don’t want to know.’
Exactly. What we’ve got is a situation identical with Joe Louis’s ‘bum of the month’ phase. There are no world class contenders left so the Klitschkos have to fight every prospect and journeyman who might be able to sell a few tickets.
Heavyweight Doldrums
This is not the worst heavyweight mismatch to ever take place, though I certainly don’t think Chisora is ready. But Gerry Cooney, Marvis Frazier, and Pete Rademacher were not ready for their heavyweight title challenges either and only Frazier-Holmes was called a mismatch. Arguably, George Foreman and Joe Frazier was as bad a mismatch before the fact: Foreman had yet to fight world class opposition. And it was a mismatch…
As the number of times Frazier hit the canvas in such a short fight proved.
I do not expect Chisora to pull that kind of upset against Klitschko, but there are three reasons this fight is happening.
1.) All of the legitimate heavyweight title challengers (and a few challengers who were less than legitimate but had name recognition and alphabet rankings) have already been beaten.
2.) The three ‘challengers in waiting’ don’t want the fight. Even if they did, I don’t know that they’d present much more of a threat than Chisora. Povetkin and Adamek are overrated fighters who arguably could have easily lost their biggest victories (Povetkin’s sloppy decision win over Eddie Chambers was solely because Chambers, who outboxed Povetkin in every round and was the more effective puncher, refused to punch enough to win. Adamek’s win over Steve Cunningham was pretty much a replay of Wlad-Peter I, just with the wrong guy winning a razor-thin decision.) and Haye’s win over Valuev would be a lot more meaningful if Valuev had been something other than a circus act who makes Primo Carnera look talented.
3.) Beyond the above three, there really is not anyone else: unless Audley Harrison somehow beats David Haye. Which would not surprise me, though I think Haye /should/ win.
Wlad’s current position as heavyweight champion is much like Joe Louis’s during the ‘bum of the month’ campaign. There is simply no one for him to fight, so he has to fight anyone he can. I don’t think Chisora belongs in there, but who does?
This is a very bad heavyweight division right now. There simply is not anyone capable, on paper, of fighting Wlad. Even his brother is older and has been troubled by injuries his entire career.
I expect Wlad’s career will end much like that of Joe Louis, who was also very dominant in a not-very-deep era: he’ll eventually realize he is too old to fight, retire, and then get beat up in pointless comebacks against the stars-of-the-future as the division recovers.
I give Chisora credit for having the guts to take on Wlad. But doesn’t it say volumes about the anemic HW division when all of the top HWs are too petrified to step in the ring with Wlad, but a virtual novice jumps at the opportunity? Unfortunately, this will likely be painful to watch, as Chisora gets systematically bludgeoned and battered. But at least he’s willing to fight. It must be really frustrating for Wlad, who likes to fight often for a HW, and who is willing to take on anyone, that he’s reduced to defending against the likes of Chisora, rather than Haye or the other top HWs. Pretty sad.
This just in from Don Charles, Chisora's trainer:
"I believe Derek’s more powerful than Wladimir."
LMFAO!!!!
oh oh
“… the Klitschko camp apparently have some concern the fight might not even go ahead at all. With the reigning British and Commonwealth champ due in court for an assault charge on Nov. 10th – the full penalty if he is found guilty being six months – Klitschko has reportedly found backup opponents [victims] just in case….
"Yes, we have already begun to negotiate with other opponents," Klitschko is quoted as saying by The Daily Star. "At the moment we cannot disclose their names."
I love this….people gripe about HW’s not fighting enough, and the Klits fight every 90 days or so and get criticized for it. Where were you guys when Ali fought Jean-Pierre “the Lion of Flanders” Coopman, or Rudi Lubbers or Alvin Lewis in between his big fights? Or Joe Louis with his “Bum of the Month” club?
The Klits fight often and well. They are plying their trade, in an honest and professional manner and have never ducked anyone. They give underdogs their chance to get a title. So let’s get it on!
Where has anyone griped at the Klitschko brothers for 'not fighting enough'?
I may have missed that, but that’s not the impression of this thread that I have.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I’m not saying this thread is disrespecting the Klits…I was speaking in general and based on what I’ve read on other forums and on other BLH threads. Surely you’ve heard the same sort of complaints by Klit haters?
by FrankinDallas on Nov 1, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, if I'm honest.
But if you have, then fair enough.
I personally think it’s brillaint that two obviously gifted fighters are dedicated, stay in shape, fight 3 or 4 times a year (Vitali’s injury-plagued hiatus notwithstanding) and are really classy guys too, great ambassadors for the sport.
I just wish they were in different weight classes.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I wish they'd fight more--
Though I don’t watch their fights. I wish they’d drink more, too. Do some drugs.
Being found asleep at local gas stations at five in the a.m. every now and then would be good for the bro’s.
I’d like to see death matches vs. brown bears, properly muzzled of course (the bears, not the Klits).
Most of all I’d like to see Wlad’s sweetie in a mud wrestling grudge match with Old Yank.
How are the Disney connections working, Chaos?
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct: That is part of the draw.
Like making Liberache (sp.???) mud-wrestle with Ms. Bardot.
One is dead, the other old, so it seems a fair match—and the idea is the same.
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my Point Franklin
Its actually unusual to have ANY depth in the heavyweights ." They are plying their trade, in an honest and professional manner" . Bloody great quote . Nobody could argue that along with Marciano and Holyfield the K bros are the fittest , most professionally trained heavyweight champs in history . As a kid I watched Ali and Holmes turn up for fights in pretty average shape as did Lennox Lewis . The 80s was full of fat , uncommitted so called champions .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
The 70s and 90s were exceptions Ted
Golden times for the heavyweight division.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
There are way too many Klit haters out there and for the life of me, I don't know why.
For me, watching Wlad wait for the signal to leave his dressing room and head for the ring and then to listen the response he gets from a monster of a crowd and then watch him and his brother do the strare down is a damn good thrill. I for one love it to the max. And then watching his slow but sure path to destruction is a woodypopper that would make Pee Wee Herman blush. This is great theater. Enjoy it while it lasts.
There are way too many Klit haters out there and for the life of me, I don’t know why.
It’s really simple, and it’s something you’re missing because you don’t feel the same way: most people think they’re very, very boring. It’s nothing more than that. People just don’t think they’re exciting. People also think every Mike Tyson fight featured an awesome knockout and that every Muhammad Ali fight was good. What I’m saying, is “people” are stupid.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I agree totally.
Blood and guts sells fights AND fighters.
I can’t remember whose sig it was that had a quote comparing boxing and jazz, but now would be a great time for a re-quote…. (think it might have been DC, now I come to thik about it)
Or, to put it another way, my sig does the job too.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
It wasn't me originally
And I can’t recall who it was.
The quote is: “Boxing is like jazz, the better it is, the less people appreciate it”.
It’s accreditted to George Foreman, and may be apocryphal.
Great quote, in some ways.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 1, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but Archie Moore hed an even better quote when he compared boxing to jazz.
Mike Silver has it in his book
I don't hate them.. these two brothers may be a little boring..
But, on the face of it, they appear to have it all. They’re not ‘thug like’ they are well spoken, well educated and respectful.
From what I’ve seen of them, they are always in good physical shape, (probably as somebody pointed out earlier due to the fact that they fight regularly).
They are without doubt, highly skilled and are at the moment, pretty unchallenged. Physically and mentally.
Here is agood one
Boxing and jazz don’t seem like a natural fit, but the two disciplines share ideals at their cores. Both thrive on the unexpected and live as poetry in motion. Jazz musicians and boxers both work hard and long, spending hours and hours honing their skills so that they can be used in a spontaneous fashion when they are thrown into action, and both value individual form, grace and power as part of individual expression. In a nutshell, jazz and boxing are closer than most people think. Trumpeter Miles Davis spent plenty of time working out in the ring and, likewise, some notable boxers have enjoyed musical pursuits.
I never watch 24/7 until the Saturday morning of the fight anymore. Then I just watch them all together. I’m glad to hear there’s going to be plenty of flatulence, however. Maybe next time out they’ll have Mayweather stage dates with Snooki.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 2, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Much like "reality" television shows they are
scripting 24/7 to make it look like Margo has a chance.
Then again, don’t count out a larger, stronger man who has a lot to prove.
Unless he’s shot out or badly overmatched. He ain’t just going to sit down. Bet on that.
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm firmly with you on this one.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
. The money he will make will be enourmous.
But if he can make even more money by doing something less than kosher, the temptation might be there. The real question is whether someone would propose such a thing to him. If so, the next question is what would be his reaction.
I dioubt that he would throw it, but I don’t dob’t that he would take a knee and a 10-count if the prognosis appears to be grim. That’s what I mean by responding to"sitting down." Manny is a brutal closer and Margo knows that.
Boring as hell!
Due to the HWD doesn’t have so many great and tough fighters at the moment so the Klitschko brothers as the current World HW Champions should bring this division into life again by making their fights fun and exciting to watch. However, they have not tried to do so for the past 3-4 years. Most of their fights were boring to watch. I think that i’m not gonna watch their fights anymore.
To be fair, they don't 'owe' boxing anything.
Their fighting style is what it is, and it’s bloody effective at winning fights. I agree that it would be more fun for US for them to start swinging like Ricardo Mayorga, but if it cost them fights, then it wouldn’t be fun for them , or financially productive for them, or beneficial in almost any other way either.
I think, as has been stated before, the biggest problem is that there are two of them. If we only had one or the other, then at least we could admire the ONE AND ONLY TRUE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD. As things stand, we have two guys, which demeans the whole thing somehow.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He was sitting next to his wife and manager while he was tyibg his shoelaces when he cut an apprentlylous andnoxious fart right there on TV. His wife and the other guy just ran fr thier lives to get away from the horiffic odor while Margo maintained a lame smile on hisless than handsome face.. Good thing you can only hear see on TV and not smell. What a frigging low-life animal.
You've never farted??????
Never drank your own piss on television???
I’m sensing some xylophone here.
by Don From Prov on Nov 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
there are implications?
it truly takes some creative license to pretend this fight is anything at all worth even thinking about for more than a headline with Wlad’s name in it.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 2, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
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Philly Fan from Maryland just sent me a copy of “M. Spinks-E.M. Muhammad” from 1981. I missed that fight back then and never had a copy until now.. Spinks was green, but powerful… Muhammad was cagey, but also drained at 175 and was on a downhill path by round 8 of that WBA title fight… I loved it when Spinks jinxed Muhammad in round 12… Muhammad showed his grit by getting up and going all 15 rds in losing his crown in Vegas…
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