Help needed on term paper!
by Sickle on Oct 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
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Hey guys,
There is a term paper due for my communications class and I have decided to hold it on the possibility of the "decline or death of boxing" in the near future. I have yet to decide which way I should go, but I am still in draft stages so I should consider myself okay. In simple terms, the term paper generally has to do with the content analysis of the boxing community's and the MMA community's emotions and reactions towards this topic. I want to get feedback from both because it is not fair just to have a one-sided argument. At the moment all I want is a simple yes or no. Moreover, I will be developing a series of 5 to 10 questions on the matter which would further explain the analysis of the subject specified. In addition, the questions would probably be mixtures of simple multiple choice and short answers.
Thanks,
Sickle
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Might want to change it to decline in the USA bc
it is really thriving almost every where else in the world. And I don’t think anyone will dispute there is a decline in boxing but death is over stating it.
How about the decline
of the U.S.A.?
No boxing or MMA involved, stil—
by Don From Prov on Oct 10, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have known you'd write something like that pal... :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Is that you, Oswald?
Cookie to anyone who gets this :)
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Oct 13, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not quite...
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Oct 15, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions
what was it in the end? the latter one?
I’m a philistine, I have no clue at all :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
People have been saying boxing is dying since the 1990’s(if not before).
If the promoters and fighters listen to the fans and make the best fights whenever possible,as they are doing in the last 2 months of this year,boxing will be OK,imo.
My suggestion would be to google Mike Silver's new book and then get some material off
the reviews. Mike hits this subject dead on.
Pray for Nick Charles
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-ARC-of-Boxing/Mike-Silver/e/9780786438495
You could do the same with my Boxing is my Sanctuary
Pray for Nick Charles
The Arc of Boxing
looks like a great book and has good reviews(as i’m sure Planet Boxing is) but it sure is expensive:£40($60) on Amazon,from what i’ve seen.I’ll buy it if it comes down in price a bit.I keep looking for new one on amazon.co.uk,Ted.
Yes,good idea.
I read mostly good reviews on amazon but one or two said some of the old timers interviewed were a bit too biased towards the old days.One quoted some as saying that the likes of Leonard and Duran would have been just average fighters if they were around in the 50’s,etc.
I don’t know because i haven’t read it yet but statements like that sound a bit ridiculous to me.All in all it sounds like a very good,informative book though.
Considering your youth was during boxing’s golden era it is refreshing and unbiased of you that your writing is fair and gives due credit to each generation,Ted.
I’m sure the 50’s were the best time to be a boxing fan due the the quality and quantity of fights and fighters but i also think some (not you) of the older generation look back through rose tinted glasses somewhat and just dismiss everything new without actually using fair judgement.
Sure,boxing could be much better nowadays in many ways but i think one thing anyone would have to admit is that some of the top fighters are better athletes today,more explosive,faster and can utitlise better coditioning routines and diet programmes.They are lacking in technique,knowledge,actitvity and level of comp by comparison to yesteryear though,imo.
However,for example,surely a guy like Roy Jones Jr at his peak was possibly the best athlete and had the most natural ability and reflexes of any fighter ever?…….
He is surely up their with the likes of SRR when just evaluating the aforementioned attributes that they both possessed,though obviously Ray was by far the better overall fighter.
Then again,Roy tested positive for PED’s once and who knows how many other times he was juicing?He certainly had a impressively ripped physique,imo.
One thing i know for sure though,there were no PED’s/steroids around in the 50’s. :)
Just some summary.
If you’re going into the Boxing/MMA argument (and if you don’t have to, I wouldn’t), think of it this way:
Boxing: One Championship, and many local fight clubs…Network TV makes it bigger and smaller by effectively shutting down the local fight clubs by throwing money at certain fighters and sites…the WBC and WBA divide…the IBF comes along to right the wrongs of the WBC-WBA, but doesn’t…the WBO and other minor organizations make everyone a champoionship, all while bigger and bigger events lead to the sport going all but entirely behind the PPV curtain.
MMA (and I don’t know the subject well, so this is simplified): Fledgling, tons of organizations, a good amount of local support, consolidated by UFC, who divide their product between Cable and PPV well, similar to what worked for the WWF/WWE. Strikeforce and others are wholly viable fight organizations, but the UFC can be all things to all people, and in its exclusivity contracts, it does the One Championship thing one better, by really becoming One League. Will eventually have to face the realities of being a modern sports league moreso, of course, as MLB, the NBA, etc. have.
For all the “boxing is dead talk” the biggest boxing matches regularly top the PPV charts.
De La Hoya v Mayweather has the no.1 buyrate of all time in the US,ahead of all the UFC and WWE events,as far as i am aware.
That proves to me how popular boxing is when the best fight the best or a fight captures the public’s imagination.
America
may be declining but Europe and other parts of the world are doing OK or even thriving.
What the USA needs is a household name star to carry the game.
You had Ali,Leonard,Tyson,Holyfield,De La Hoya and then Mayweather.But Floyd could well be done now and even if he does come back,he has such an abbrasive personality, and with it looking like he is avoiding Manny to most,his popularity is likely to suffer.
Manny is a big star but is a foreigner.Where the next big name comes from in the US,i’m not sure.
It could be Andre Ward,with his Olympic gold medal history,or Paul Williams(who is i still think is a bit overrated).
No one really stands out,imo.A lot of the best talent are from other countries.
America, South Korea, some of the countries in Africa, Brazil, are not doing well.
Agentina, Mexico, The Philpenens, Germany, the Eastern Euro countries are doing just fine.
Thailand is steady as she goes.
Pray for Nick Charles
Boxing is alive in the Philippines but there aren’t too many prospects I can think of that can really compete in the world level. Of the top of my head I’ll probably say Drian Francisco. I don’t really see anyone filling Pac’s shoes when he retires.
by erasedcitizen on Oct 11, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… The other, darker side of the boxing coin. It’s sad.
by erasedcitizen on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah… The other, darker side of the boxing coin. It’s sad.
by erasedcitizen on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are some decent young fighters
But it seems like they all get rushed way too fast and don’t end up developing properly (e.g., Milan Melindo, Marvin Sonsona, Rey Bautista, etc.)
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depends on the weight class.
A lot of the best talent are from other countries.
This is all in my new book. Planet Boxing Actually, if you give me your email, I can send you my conclusions of my rseerach depending on how you want to use it.
Pray for Nick Charles
Again, and this will be my final post.
It’s all in Mike Silver’s book and the reviews of his book. Don’t knock yourself out when it’s there in plain sight and don’t over complicate it. Boxing is on the decline for any number of reasons not the least of which are MMA, too many divisions, too many belts, PPV, the ebst not fighting the best, etc etc etc.
Pray for Nick Charles
Very informative a lot of great responses. Thank you guys.
@ El Destruyo I am contemplating to do Boxing/MMA but leaning more just on remaining on the boxing side. Again just on the draft side right now.
Kid Blast - That would be great I can use some your information to serve as explanations towards the paper. My email is <a href="mailto:alvarez1280gmail.com" target="_blank">alvarez1280@gmail.com. And obviously I will give it credit…much needed as reference thanks.
"Penelosa is not human." -Max Kellerman on Gerry Penelosa during the Juan Manuel Lopes-Gerry Penelosa bout.
Dunno how much it will help you, but try checking out the commonwealth games to see how the ‘grassroots’ of boxing is doing outside of america. Been a bit busy lately so im not up to date but england had 5 finalists (gold/silver) and ireland had 4 last time i checked.
I’m not trying to be a smart arse with you but i don’t think you can read all that much into the CW Games.Who are the competition?Australia,Canada,the rest of the British Isles,India…..
They are hardly the world’s best amateur boxing nations.England should be coming away wiht a tidy haul in those circumstances.
The Olympics and the Worlds are the best place to assess how good a certain nation is doing,when they are competing against the very best,Russia(and other old USSR countires),Cuba and to a lesser extent the USA.
Even then,the amateurs are very different from the pros nowadays with the ludicrous (lack of) scoring.
yeah i know what you mean but i thought id give it a mention cos A) this sort of thing looks gd in an essay and B) The CW is being seen as the tune up for the Olympics which are ofc in London and i’m slightly curious to we can catch a glipse of the next star ie Simon Vassily
Fair enough
I might head down to London in 2012 for the Olympics to catch some of the boxing,if i can get tickets.
by Matt Mosley on Oct 14, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Good luck!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
good luck sickle
will try and get on earlier in the piece to do the multiple choice and sort answer questions when you’ve developed them
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
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