Videos Have Been Pulled, but Margarito Camp Still Shameful
Late last night, we posted an embedded, original, unedited video from Elie Seckbach and FanHouse, which showcased boxers Antonio Margarito and Brandon Rios, along with their trainer and ex-fighter Robert Garcia, making fun of Freddie Roach's Parkinson's disease.
Shortly after our post went up, that video was pulled. An edited version was found, with it depicting Margarito as pretending to be Roach, "scared" and trembling. Rios' "performance," however, was entirely removed from the video. Today, the edited video has also been removed.
I don't find it surprising that the videos were pulled. It's about what I expected. I was surprised that the original was pulled so quickly after it started blowing up with backlash, but when that happened, I expected this to happen today with the edited version. Someone is trying to run away from this and get it to go away. I don't know who made the call to edit the original, nor do I know who made the call to pull both videos. No idea if there was pressure from Margarito's camp or Top Rank to do so. I also wonder what was expected of reaction to these videos -- could it have been anything else? Why upload that segment at all? Someone, anyone, had to know what the reaction was going to be.
But to steal the line, as Joe Rogan says, you can't stop the internet. Someone had already re-uploaded the original video, which you can see below:
Update (5:10pm EST): The video linked below was taken down due to a copyright claim. Deadspin currently is hosting the video, though, if you still haven't seen it.
There it is, in all its glory and splendor. Three men acting like crass 12 year olds. Perhaps it's just ignorance. Perhaps we should treat three grown men as if they "don't know any better." After all, if a nine year old child makes fun of someone in a wheelchair, but has never encountered that or never been taught differently, is it really the child's fault? Shouldn't you just teach them about it?
So let's make it easy for Garcia, Margarito and Rios. Here's the Wikipedia article on Parkinson's disease. They might want to read up at Parkinsons.org, as well. Maybe after this, they will understand why people think it's so shameful and disgusting that this is the level anyone would stoop to. Not to mention the fact that all of thm, having been in the ring, should probably have some sort of respect for the fact that they're always at risk for something like this happening to them, too. Or maybe next time any of them see Muhammad Ali, they could offer him their funny impressions of Roach, too.
Oh, and if anyone wants to excuse this as "promoting the fight," sorry, but that's a little beneath me and I hope a lot of people. It should be. That doesn't make me smug or an elitist or anything like that. It makes this idiocy too idiotic even for me.
But am I surprised? Nah, I just find it pathetic. Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports addressed the situation this afternoon, and he said it very well:
It’s disgusting, but that’s par for the course these days with Margarito. You can’t expect a dog to have table manners and, apparently, you can’t expect Margarito to act with class.
And to put it another way, no matter how many videos get pulled, you can't put the s*** back in the donkey.
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what a new low
I only just caught up with the actual video now, not being able to play sound earlier so delayed on watching it.
WHAT a new low. Thats genuinely stunningly as bad as bad can be. Wow.
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
they’re always at risk for something like this happening to them, too
Seems particularly relevant for a guy whose made his career on his chin. Seems like tempting fate if you ask me.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Nov 10, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Not to mention...
loading your gloves increases the risk of brain damage to others. They’re joking about the glove loading and joking about a guy who suffers from the kind of damage that can be done by unsafe levels of damage to the brain.
…pretty iffy.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I wish you'd post more on here.
I very rarely disagree with your posts. I know you’re more active on other forums, but still…. it’s a pleasure when you show up on here.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Agreed
You’re the best guy on BE too, and i don’t say that to be a brown nose.
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by Drunken cutman on Nov 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I read BLH religiously...
but yeah, I should throw in more comments.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 10, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Glad you agree!! :D
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
is interested and gets heated up. Then they call their cable TV provider and book the fight on PPV. Do I have to spell this out?
.Other possibilty. They are morons.
ARRGH
They show the video and then quickly erase They get us all interested and heated up. Then we call our cable TV provider and book the fight on PPV. Do I have to spell this out?
Who is seeing this...
and ordering that wouldn’t have been otherwise?
I seriously think it’ll have zero effect on PPV buys.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 10, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta Say
I agree with Brent Brookhouse—it won’t add viewers, and it will settle it for some people who were on the fence re Margarito toward not buying it after all
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Maybe Texas
I was thinking of the world.
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I'm confused.
Is your point that those Margarito fans on the fence would at this point be more likely to buy this PPV based on his comments and actions in this video?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Not buy the PPV, but buy a live ticket, I think he’s saying. There are rumblings that the attendance figures are not shaping up to be what they were hoping.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Now I'm even more confused.
Ted said originally (in his AARRGH post) that this would have a positive effect on interest and therefore PPV sales.
BoxAnne says that, contrary to this, these actions will actually push away people who are on the fence/undecided.
Ted then says those people are mostly Margo fans.
I completely fail to see how this relates to live tickets.
Am I being dense?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Ted said above, “For PPV, I was thinking more Pinoy fans, For Texas, more Margo fans.” That’s what I was going with. But I didn’t register the PPV part, either, so poor explanation (or attempt) by me.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ah... the second Ted post I was referring to was a reply to a different post than BoxAnne's
Yup. I’m being dense.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
the more Margo is attacked, the more Mexcian American and Mexican fans will be interest. And that interest will translate to more action in Texas at the stadium
As for PPV, The more Roach is attacked, and by extension, Manny, the more likley it will be that Pinoys will buy the PPV in LA or other big cities where they have a presence.
Tha’s why I think a lot of this is being done to drum up week sales.
I get what you mean now.
It’s a fair point.
I do however still agree with Brent and Boxanne that this can only hurt PPV sales, if only because the consensus of posts on this thread alone indicate less willingness to buy, and I’m yet to see anyone say “Yeah,I’m now far more liekly to buy this fight”, whereas there are people saying “This has only helped me to realise exactly why I’m not buying…”
If we accept this thread (and its posters) as a microcosm which is representative of boxing fans, it works to evidence the model proposed by Brent and Boxanne, as much as your ‘live ticket’ point has its merits.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I’m inclined to agree with KB. This will probably help the fight more than it hurts it. It will turn off some serious boxing fans, but most people who order fights are not serious boxing fans. Actually the same holds true for every sport. That is, for every sport, the bulk of the viewing audience is composed of people who are minimally knowledgeable but mostly ignorant, and who are very responsive to controversy. They essentially have the same mindset as those people who get all worked up about the lamest celebrity gossip.
Unfortunately, this blog is not a representative microcosm of boxing fans. Or at least not prospective boxing customers. The commenters here are a lot more knowledgeable.
That said, I don’t think there’s any grand master plan here. Margarito just stumbled into this by being who he is.
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It’s all very subjective, but:
ESB might be more realistic as much as I hate saying that. You see, I don’t think the BLH posters are reflective of the larger Mexican American demographic in Texas. There may be a few, but not like ESB. THE Posts on ESB suggest that will not hurt PPV sales.
As for Pinoys, I only know of one on BLH, Walter Sumara, and he is doing PPV.
Like Puerto Rico vs. Mexico, this one has taken on the ethnic thing and that will usually be reflected at the live fight. In NYC, Puerto Ricans will come out to see Cotto. In Dallas, Mexican Americans will come out to see Margo. On PPV, Pinoys and other fans are more likely to buy.
My point is simply that I don’t think you can accurately extrapolate based on what is on the BLH threads, because the base is defective. Brent and Boxanne (and most BLH posters) are a far reach from the fan that is likely to attend the fight in person. I was planning to go, but the undercard is not to my liking so I’ll settle for PPV.
The Clottey fight suggests the possibility that we will see a monster last minute run on Texas tickets, because if Clottey-Pac can draw, well, Margo-Pac should attract even more.
If we accept this thread (and its posters) as a microcosm which is representative of boxing fans, it works to evidence the model proposed by Brent and Boxanne, as much as your ‘live ticket’ point has its merits.
Don’t get me wrong. Ther are times we can most definitly accept BLH as amicrocosm, but this isn’t one of them IMO.
I love this site and the community therein, but no, it’s not really a microcosm representative of boxing fans, and certainly not at all representative of the more casual boxing audience.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
And people do like to see a bad guy (perceived otherwise)
Which further helps ‘hype" this fight. But I am now beginning to think that Margo’s IQ may be somewhat questionable. I do recall his disgusting act of flatulence on 24/7 and that speaks of a brutish type.A friggin animal.
who were on the fence re Margarito toward not buying it after all(itals mine)
I know I put it badly, apologies, I mean that for some who’ve been wondering a. whether Margarito is really that bad a guy, and b. whether they feel comfortable, or that it’s excusable, to buy the fight, will be turned off enough to not buy it—they will lose some sales, probably not tons, but I doubt that it would gain them as many as it will lose them.
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It's all a bunch of hype. Look at the past to judge the future. It happens just about every time we
have abig fight. They have to stimlate sales because sales are noit going as well as they hoped. I also sense some collusion based on the timing andsequence of some of this suff.
Bam, Roach shoots out with something.
Boom, Margo and Rios (non-MENSA candistes) respond.
Bang, video is quickly removed.
Result : shite is stirred up
I would not at all be surprised if Arum was not in on it and will now vilify Margi, Rios and Garcia for their behavior.
Conspiracy theoryesque?
I’d rather believe that Margo is just a dick.
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by Drunken cutman on Nov 10, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
there is no conspiracy theory involved. Might well be some unholy and unhealthy marketing collusion,
but we don’t need to call in RICO just yet.
Ask yourself how you would feel about this if Margo and Rios did not do the Parkinson insult but everything else remained.
I'd feel somewhat less dis - interested
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by Drunken cutman on Nov 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
No
Far from just Margo; I honestly like to think that I’d spit on Arum’s shoes if I ever met him.
RAGE!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 10, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just waiting to see exactly how they're going to pin this one on Capetillo.....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
At the end of the day, the important question is who do yo think has been most adversely impacted by this scenario? And I don’t mean public opinion, I mean impact that relates to perfomance in the ring.
Actually, probably Brandon Rios, but his fight’s all but a gimme, so it doesn’t matter. But he hasn’t had attention like this before, and negative attention at that.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, the result could end up being that a bunch of guys come out of a certain training camp in Southern Cali with a
“bad ass” rep. That can have some appeal as warped as that might sound, but it’s a “street smart” observation if you will. Sometimes “bad” can become “baaaaad” as in “bad ass mf.”
The other thing here is that not all of the sites out there are picking up on this as fast as or as vehemently as we have. In fact, ESB has nothing on it. Go figure.
I think they’d be able to garner a rep as a camp of badasses if they weren’t running like chickens with their heads cut off away from what they did and making up dumbass transparent excuses about what happened. If they were going to position themselves as a bunch of guys “going rogue” (so to speak) and being a pack of wolves about it and all that, then hey, the world sat through the Sex Pistols and Bad Boy Pistons.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, the lame excuse will taint their "BAMF" aura, no doubt!
Though Rios still is one very bad ass in the ring.

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