Robert Garcia says Margarito and Rios "didn't know" Roach has Parkinson's
by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST
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Yahoo! Sports columnist Kevin Iole is in Dallas today, and was at the press conference for Saturday night's fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito. On his Twitter page, Iole has tons of quick quotes from the involved parties, which I recommend going to check out. Lots of stuff there, including Alex Ariza saying Manny is in top condition, and the usual boxing presser stuff.
But Robert Garcia, who trains Margarito and undercard fighter Brandon Rios, did offer a quote on the video controversy we've been talking about since last night. Iole posted, "Robert Garcia says Margarito and Rios didn't know Roach has Parkinson's."
Boxing fans will know that this isn't the first controversial subject that Margarito "didn't know" about in the last couple of years. He's become the greatest "Who me??" guy in boxing. He didn't know his hand wraps were illegal, and now he didn't know that Freddie Roach, the most famous trainer in boxing, has Parkinson's disease, which has been well-publicized. "I didn't know" has become Margarito's catchphrase.
Margarito and Roach know one another. In short, there is absolutely no way in hell that Antonio Margarito and Brandon Rios didn't know that Freddie Roach has Parkinson's disease. There is not a 0.5% chance that they didn't know. I understand why they're trying to side-step the issue or get it to go away, but it's like they want to keep walking on land mines. And this sure doesn't help Margarito's claims that he "didn't know" about the wraps -- or maybe it does. Maybe the point is he doesn't know anything, really. I'm not sure.
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Even if he "allegedly" didn't know
the man still obviously has some sort of neurological disorder, he ain’t just shaking for the hell of it.
by Fake Emcee on Nov 10, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Right. Garcia’s defense of his fighters (and himself, frankly), boils down to, “Listen, we’re all really stupid. So just let it go already.”
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. I just noticed. That was my 4,000th post as Kid Blast. You include the Midnight Rambler
in there and the total is around 7,500. What do I get from BLH?
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Long story. I could not log in for some reason so I tried Kid Blast which is an alias I use.
That’s an even longer story, but anyone familiar with the Redhook section of Brooklyn knows who The Kid was/is.
The only other site I post on now is Saddo and my alias on that one is from Mars. But the posters on Saddo know my true idenity.
So just BLH and occasionally Saddo. But I do read many diffrent sites for info and ideas and research.
Two things are complete bullshit
1. You fucking knew you liars. Margarito and Rios knew damn well what they were doing.
2. The re-reuploaded video has been pulled because ESNews is saying they own the footage. So no one will know what really fucking happened.
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Deadspin is hosting the video now.
The attempts at damage control are expected but (also expected) not going well.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Also as I said on Bloodyelbow
The original idea was to watch a stream in the AM of 122 and the fight at night. I refuse to watch this fight now. Even on an illegal stream, I will not be wasting my Saturday night watching Antonio Margarito fight. Much like how Brent described meeting Muhamad Ali and seeing him unable to use a spoon to eat, I took care of my Grampa while he was dying with Parkinson’s and would always have to feed him. It’s not a fun disease and mocking it in any way is completely horseshit.
For them to even think this is damage control is insulting to everyone involved from the press to the fighters and promoters to the fans. Admit you’re a piece of shit with no class and just fade away.
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What really, REALLY bothers me at this point is the garbage spin they’re trying. “They didn’t know.” Bullshit. Come on. Someone on Twitter pointed out that Rios knew Roach had 13 losses as a fighter, but didn’t know he has Parkinson’s disease? Please, huh? And at this point I’m somewhat surprised by how aggressively FanHouse is trying to hide what happened. You just aren’t going to be able to cover this up at this point. It happened, you recorded it, you uploaded it, you got the backlash you had to know was coming.
Their whole defense is a lot like Margarito claiming he didn’t know about the wraps or any other thing where the defense is saying, “You know, I bet the public is stupid enough to buy this, so let’s just go with it.”
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
FanHouse is normally great. MMA coverage is topnotch and their boxing coverage is as well. This ruins a lot for me though. I understand they own the footage but sticking your dick out and pulling the Uploads? Fuck off.
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by Matthew Roth on Nov 10, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
They need Top Rank's cooperation to get interviews
And I’m sure someone over there threatened to deny them access. It’s part of the reason why the media has always had to play nice with athletes.
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I don’t get why they would take it down. It’s not like AOL did anything wrong. In fact, isn’t this the kind of scoop a journalist ought to live for? Catching a public figure in the act of a giant gaffe? Granted, AOL Fanhouse isn’t exactly Woodward and Bernstein, but still.
Fanhouse protecting a camp is ridiculous though.
It reeks of trying to maintain your credentials going forward. Like hey we shouldn’t have put this up, we won’t be able to go to Robert Garcia’s gym anymore.
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by Matthew Roth on Nov 10, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just speculating, but they might be worried that they could blame him (Seckbach) for uploading the video that led to the backlash, and he wouldn’t want to lose a contact there. And I’m speculating because they won’t answer any questions about it. It is in no way his fault that they did what they did, but … oh, thisredengine just posted what I’m saying. Yeah, that.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Did you get the file I emailed you?
And is it any good to you?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I’m not going to put the video anywhere, because their copyright claim is legitimate. I’ve had it sent from a few people, but I’m not getting in that game. Too rich for my blood.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
A completely understandable position to take.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Is that a picture of Margarito and his newest sparring partner?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He’s simulating what everyone has been doing to the Cowboys all season.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
They were WRONG
Rios and Margarito need to Admit that they Knew and Apologize to Roach,Fans and Everyone whoi have Parkinsons.
Mayweather Jr. Apologized for the Racist Remarks against Pacman.
As much as your sentiments are admirable:
Generic public apologies do nothing but make me cringe.
They’re never sincere; they’re prompted by fear of public reprisal, rather than genuine guilt; they are just a PR exercise, in short.
The imitation of Parkinson’s was honest, as much as it was deplorable. A public apology would be anything but, and therefore is just… well it’s bollocks, to be honest.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Not really.
Did Floyd look humiliated, or just bored?
“Oh look, people are pissed, I’ll just say something I don’t mean while I’m thinking about something else, and get it over with.”
I hate the whole thing. Public apologies are stupid,unnecessary and a waste of everyone’s time. Do you ever think to yourself, “My God, now he’s said sorry, that’s ok then”?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
No, but Floyd’s apology also didn’t benefit his image at all.
You can benefit from an apology that involves self-abasement, or you can fail to obtain any benefit from it. Either way, no harm done. No one’s going to benefit unjustly from a non-humiliating apology.
Plus, while Floyd’s apology didn’t evince any subjective humiliation, it did make him look like a moron.
No, but Floyd’s apology also didn’t benefit his image at all.
So, in short, it benefitted nobody. Which makes it a great big fucking waste of time.
Which is what I’ve been saying… :) :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Ha. Yeah, I mean I get what you’re saying. I guess where I’m coming from is, society ought to demand apologies (among other things) for immoral conduct because, well, apologizing is the ethically appropriate response for one who has in fact acted immorally. You may be right that it is unlikely that you will actually get this response very often even if you demand it. But it’s never wrong to demand that someone do what’s right. Maybe it’s more important as an expression of society’s disapprobation than it is as an expression of contrition by the wrongdoer. Anyway, once in a while, the wrongdoer actually will apologize, which is good. And in the vast majority of times when he doesn’t, society will still have done the right thing by demanding it and shouldn’t feel obligated to let him off the hook for his fake version of it.
Do you watch South Park?
The (very) recent episodes where they have Tony Hayward making all sorts of really insincere but overly elaborate public apologies (Sorrreeeeeee) are what the phrase ‘public apology’ reminds me of right now.
I’ll link them for you if you like. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Haven’t seen that one but I can probably imagine it, as I used to watch more South Park in years past.
I still like South Park, but the older I get, the more I think those guys are missing something even as I appreciate their humor. Which is that there are worse things in life than corniness or insincerity or even hypocrisy. For instance, it’s worse to be selfish than hypocritical. It’s worse to be uncompassionate than hypocritical. Guys like Parker and Stone (I used to be one) sometimes get so wrapped up in exposing hypocrisy that they get tunnel vision over it. There are worse things.
You’ll need to watch both…
http://southpark-zone.blogspot.com/2010/11/s14-coon-2-hindsight.html
http://southpark-zone.blogspot.com/2010/11/s14-mysterion-rises.html
The way they rip it out of the BP public apologies is amazing…. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
It's fair to say
That they have revealed their true personalities now and we all saw it.
by Phill on Nov 10, 2010 5:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hey guys
Don’t post .gifs of the video, please. FanHouse is obviously protective of their copyright here. I’ll just have to take them down anyway.
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Done. And not a big deal.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 10, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Battle of the Entourages
Pacquiao showed up here in Dallas in a chartered p lane with 200 PEOPLE! Margarito took a commercial fight, joined by 10 of his camp people. No Joke: he attended a Taco festival last weekend.
Margarito’s fans will outnumber Pac mans’ by tens of thousands in Jerry Jones’ Death Star.
Sounds good to me
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by Drunken cutman on Nov 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
They should’ve just said ‘hey, it’s the end of a long training camp, we’re all tired and irritable from cutting weight. We were just joking around, but we went too far. Apologies to Freddie Roach’. That wouldn’t make it ok, but that would’ve been the end of it.
Saying they didn’t know he had parkinsons is pretty stupid.
Full article on the damage control
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2497/roach_steamed_over_video_poking_fun_at_his_parkinsons/
You know what
This is idiotic, but I do think its forgivable. It’s mean, and it’s not PC, but it’s the kind of thing where they got caught up in the heat of the moment and made a joke in poor taste. I know it’s because they’re bigger names, but I find this a lot less despicable than Dereck Chisora beating up his girlfriend and biting an opponent in the ring and find it a little backwards that this is getting so much more pub everywhere.
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1. It’s a fight with tons of media attention
2. Nobody gives a damn about Dereck Chisora (sounds harsh, but well)
3. Margarito detractors have probably been subconsciously begging for him to fuck up again
4. People admire Freddie Roach
5. The shameful lying and hiding and running away from what happened, between the three involved and those who filmed it, is what drives me to keep talking about it, personally.
Chisora’s a prick, Margarito’s a really famous prick.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Of course.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine what takes place in a boxing gym where there are no video cameras?
Nothing—Imean NOTHINg is sacred. Good point Brick.
If anyone
thinks this BS is true..then you would think that Margo didn’t know he had loaded gloves… Said it before and will say it again. This fight shouldn’t happen..this guy should be OUT of Boxing.
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