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Margarito Camp in Full Damage Control Mode, but Roach Isn't Buying It

Freddie Roach isn't in a forgiving mood toward Antonio Margarito, Robert Garcia and Brandon Rios. (Photo by Jed Jacobsohn/Getty Images)

There is plenty going around tonight about the outrage stemming from a video that showed Antonio Margarito, Robert Garcia and Brandon Rios making fun of Freddie Roach's Parkinson's disease. Per The Ring, penned by Michael Rosenthal, Freddie Roach does not sound ready to accept apologies, and understandably so. He also, like many have, points out that he's affected by the disease because of his in-ring career.

"They made fun of me. It shows what kind of guys they are. ... The thing is, this is something boxers can get because it’s trauma related. They [Margarito and Rios] are in this sport and they don’t have good defenses. I just hope it doesn’t happen to them. I hope they don’t have to live my life."

The Margarito camp is trying to spin their way out of the situation, but are offering apologies. Here's what Garcia had to say:

"It happened. I can’t do anything about it now. That’s why I apologized. It wasn’t right. I feel bad about it. We never meant to make fun of him or anyone else with Parkinson’s disease. That’s not me. People know I don’t talk bad about anyone."

The issue here, of course, is that it was him. And apparently he does.

Rios, who like Margarito trains under Garcia and will be fighting on Saturday night, was also apologetic. He says that he wouldn't want to insult someone with a disease (even though he did), and says that he has people in his family who are handicapped. But this happened. This wasn't make believe. This isn't some rumor. This really happened and everyone saw it.

Margarito tries to use the defense that FanHouse came up with for him in their edited video, posted after the original was pulled, saying he was trying to imitate Roach as being scared. Truthfully, I don't buy a shred of any of this. Not from Garcia, not from "Who Me? Couldn't Be!" Margarito, and not from Rios. In Lem Satterfield's FanHouse article, this is how Garcia explains it from Rios' point of view:

"He didn't know Freddie Roach had a disease. He thought that it was from those 13 losses that Freddie Roach had as a boxer."

So what Garcia is saying is that Rios believed that Roach did not have a disease, but that he has tremors "from those 13 losses" that Roach suffered in his boxing career. Now without meaning to be combative about this, is Rios an idiot? I think that's a fair question at this point. Does he think you get tremors if you lose over 10 fights and that it isn't anything neurological? Are we supposed to buy that?

Roach isn't buying it:

"Do I believe that they didn't know that I had Parkinson's? Please. That's an excuse. It wasn't really an apology, it was just a cover-up. Robert Garcia is not a classy guy. He's not a good guy. He's a fake, and that's all that I have to say. Brandon Rios is a good young fighter, and I like him for that, and so forth, but as a person, he's an ass."

In the FanHouse article, Bob Arum also offered his thoughts, and doesn't seem pleased to say the last. The quotes used here are just the tip of the iceberg. Make sure to check out the original articles.

Let me sum up how I feel about this, because there are a lot of people who will say, "Oh, it's not such a big deal," or "Oh, everyone's too PC." The reality is that this is a truly personal matter. This isn't like how it was "personal" between Oscar de la Hoya and Fernando Vargas. This is hurtful, shameful, pointless stuff. And the worst part is, the Margarito camp isn't even bold enough to just own up to what they did and stand by it, and screw you if you don't think their antics are funny or whatever. Instead, they spend the next day with excuses so transparent that a four-year-old wouldn't buy the stories. Their excuses are such that they're basically hoping everyone is stupid enough to buy it. They're basically calling everyone stupid just by suggesting things like "we didn't know Freddie Roach had Parkinson's disease" or "no, it was a misunderstanding, I was being Fraidy Cat Roach, not a guy with Parkinson's disease." I can't expect that anyone with any intelligence believes in their apology. The whole incident was classless and is almost certainly a real reflection of the personalities of those in question.

I like watching Brandon Rios fight. I hope he makes a name for himself by continuing to be the fighter he is, and hope that he can erase something that maybe was just a tremendously big error in judgment. Robert Garcia is simply someone that should know better, and he can say, "I wouldn't allow that in my gym" all he wants, but the fact is it clearly happened on video in his gym, and he egged it on. If Rios didn't know that Roach had Parkinson's, then Garcia is saying he did know, yet he pointed and laughed and went right along with it. It's documented.

As for Margarito, I honestly can't wait for him to be out of the boxing spotlight. He didn't earn this return, got licensed by a commission that has proven time and again to be lax on standards, and if you recall the last time he was on a big stage, it was the beginning of a shameful process that gave boxing its ten millionth black eye. Hopefully for boxing's overall standards -- which aren't high to begin with -- Margarito heads off into the sunset after Saturday's fight. But he won't, of course. Everybody knows who he is by now.

You wanna know who's truly "earned" something here? Freddie Roach. He's earned a lot better than this. He's a class above this week's foes, no matter what happens between he and Garcia's fighters on Saturday.

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I’m pretty sure Manny wiil find out if he doesn’t know Already.

by rgb on Nov 11, 2010 12:36 AM EST reply actions  

Well said Scott

I’ve always found – for the most part – that boxing weeds out the scum (as far as fighters go anyway). Those who remain generally develop increasing respect for their fellow fighter. Even the arrogant types eventually come round because during the early years there’s always someone better – always someone ready to provide a reality check. When this happens, said arrogant bastard normally pulls his head in and grows as a man.

Then there are the exceptions, and for those, KARMA IS A HEARTLESS BITCH.

"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.

by Goatsnake on Nov 11, 2010 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

2 things about this

1. I feel silly writing about this when I should be worried about the fight itself.
2. The first article I wrote on this topic actually had people defending the Margarito camp. How anyone can do that is just beyond me. Also people said to me that this isnt a big deal. I dont know what to say to that. It is just mind blowing to say this isnt a big deal.

by tylerrcurtis on Nov 11, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

OK, so it sounds like what Rios is saying is that he just thought Roach was punch drunk in general terms, but wasn’t aware of that there was a disease mechanism. That is somewhat believable. Rios isn’t in MENSA, and standard usage of the word “disease” is a condition caused by either germs or genetics. That said, I don’t know how this really makes things all that much better. If Roach were punch drunk without Parkinson’s, it still wouldn’t be alright to mock him for that.

I think Rios and Garcia deserve a lot of criticism, but if I squint I can almost see how a situation like that can snowball. I’ve said my fair share of cruel things in my day which i later regretted, and I’m sure the rest of us have as well. Their excuses are not adequate, but I wouldn’t say I hate them.

Margarito, however, is just peddling pure bulls**t right up to the minute. The “scared Roach” thing is a flat-out lie. This is just a thoroughly bad man.

by taco pal on Nov 11, 2010 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve said my fair share of cruel things in my day which i later regretted, and I’m sure the rest of us have as well. Their excuses are not adequate, but I wouldn’t say I hate them.

Yeah, certainly. I’ve been young and a fucking idiot before. And no, I don’t hate them. Hate is a pretty powerful emotion I’ll reserve for something more worthwhile than a couple of dudes acting like dicks. What bothers me most about this situation — especially from Garcia — is the poor excuses. I reckon personally I’d have been more “forgiving” (not that any of them need my “forgiveness”) if they’d have just said, “We went too far and it was stupid of us, and we apologize to Freddie for that.” But they’re acting like they can twist something for which there is video capturing the offense. Garcia saying that Rios didn’t know is one thing — like you said, I can even buy that a little bit. But Garcia clearly DID know, and he’s right there yukking it up with the other fools, now acting as if such tomfoolery would never fly in his work environment.

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by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I would rank Rios as the least bad of the three. I think I would rank Margarito as being worse than Garcia.

The problem with Rios and Garcia right now, I think, is their pride. What I see is that they do feel bad about what they did and they know it was wrong, but they’re too proud to confront that fact in public head-on. That’s typically what’s really going on when you see these types of childlike semi-apologies.

From Garcia, I also see weakness, which is a bad trait to have for a trainer. He probably wouldn’t have initiated the mockery himself, but once his fighters did it, he didn’t have the wherewithal to kill the mood and shut it down. He seems like too much of a go-along-to-get-along kind of guy. He wants too much to be liked.

Margarito is just a liar. Possibly even a sociopath.

by taco pal on Nov 11, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

so it sounds like what Rios is saying is that he just thought Roach was punch drunk in general terms, but wasn’t aware of that there was a disease mechanism

I don’t think that’s relevant at all. And you nearly make that acknowledgment. Regardless of Rios’ knowledge of Roach’s particular condition at the time of the statement/gimmick, Rios was mocking a physically damaged person who he KNEW was physically damaged.

I don’t hate them either. In the words of a good friend of mine (perhaps ripped from somebody famous, I don’t know), “the opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference”. I’m not indifferent, but I’m close to writing these individuals off completely. They have no standing and no credibility in their words and actions. Rios and Margo are gimmicks, punks.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Nov 11, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

and so is Garcia.

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Nov 11, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Very good point! Indifferent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im writing them off, too!
Im sick&tired of reading&hearing any of them excuses! By lame excusing they´re making it even worse!
A real fighter doesn´t need an excuse. Nor a real human does! Everyone can do a fault. Greatness comes by asking forgiveness and doing better!

Get away with offers of new wheelchairs, just give me the new Cleto-Reyes instead!
"We are not made to pocket trivial things in an effortless way, but to reach for higher destinations with blood, sweat and tears."

by Ancient Warrior on Nov 11, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

And you nearly make that acknowledgment

No, I actually said it explicitly.

by taco pal on Nov 11, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

That said, I don’t know how this really makes things all that much better. If Roach were punch drunk without Parkinson’s, it still wouldn’t be alright to mock him for that.

No you didn’t……… ah, hang on…. yeah you did. :)

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Nov 11, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no you don’t. “not all that much better” is not the same as “just as bad”. but whatever

"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"

by lcollins1 on Nov 11, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The second sentence:
If Roach were punch drunk without Parkinson’s, it still wouldn’t be alright to mock him for that.

That’s the ‘acknowledgement’ you were after. :)

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Nov 11, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If you hate this kind of behavior, be skeptical of the (surely forthcoming) attempt to exploit this for some bullshit “storyline” to sell this bullshit fight.

Join me in boycotting it.

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Nov 11, 2010 4:09 AM EST reply actions  

Two days before the fight, and it seems like I'm sticking to it this time

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 11, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Though it doesn't hurt that I'll probably be stuck working all weekend

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by Brickhaus on Nov 11, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

me too, crunch time for the Fall semester

Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Nov 11, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You can count on that!

How can a man insult a sick person in such a way? Talking big like an uneducated 8year old! They never know what will happen to them in the future! And then have to find some person who cares and respect them regardless of the desease. The main thing is the very bad personality! What else do You want more from Mr. Margarito? Plaster of Paris, insulting all Parkinsonists? I´ve had enough!

Get away with offers of new wheelchairs, just give me the new Cleto-Reyes instead!
"We are not made to pocket trivial things in an effortless way, but to reach for higher destinations with blood, sweat and tears."

by Ancient Warrior on Nov 11, 2010 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

Well said

anyway I think a lot of this mess is responsibility of the reporter. I’ve been in a lot of gyms and let’s say the true, people talk trash all the time, put a hidden camera on Roach’s gym and you will hear a lot of crap, Im sure. That said, I think Margarito and Rios are just a couple of stupid guys. I’ll accept Garcia’s apologies beacause I think he’s a good guy.

by Mauriki on Nov 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

a lot of this mess is responsibility of the reporter.

That’s like saying it was Nazim’s fault they found plaster in the wraps.

people talk trash all the time

Wouldn’t call what they did trash talking.

you will hear a lot of crap

Not sure if Manny would.

by Polish Rifle on Nov 11, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Mauriki

was just trying to get some balance on this. But yes, it looks like they truly stepped in a rather large pile of steaming shite!

by Kid Blast on Nov 11, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No

^ This right here, is a good post. ^

"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Nov 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually agree with Mauriki.

Guys talk shit. It’s not ok, but it IS understandable.

I don’t tell sexist jokes in front of women, I don’t say stuff that’s offensive to anyone within earshot, but hell, me and my mates do say some nasty shit sometimes when it’s just us. Boxing gyms are no different.

The thing I DO disagree with is the idea that this is somehow the fault of the reporter.

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Nov 11, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

what scumbags.

heres to plaster fists getting his face smashed in saturday.

"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston

by sonofapsycho on Nov 11, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

So basically these guys are a bunch of assh@les. Gottcha.

by joshyboy708 on Nov 11, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

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by Kid Blast on Nov 11, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

My favorite part of this is: “He didn’t know Freddie Roach had a disease”

I know almost nothing about modern boxing – couldn’t have even picked Freddie Roach out of a line-up 6 months ago – and even I know he has Parkinson’s.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Nov 11, 2010 6:02 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly....these guys didnt earn it, Freddie did.

Roach remains a good guy. He took the high road and didnt ask for this crap. Margarito will be seriously exposed this weekend. he’ll be swinging at flies all night!

by SmittytheCutman on Nov 11, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

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