Mandatory Eight Count: From Ricky Hatton to Mark Twain
by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST
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Ricky Hatton's father not ruling out ring return for Ricky (ESPN UK)
Ray Hatton says Ricky is not ruling out a return to the ring, which I think is something we should expect. Hatton has a lot of fighter's pride, and I don't think he'll want his lasting image to be a fat ex-fighter allegedly snorting cocaine off of a hotel dresser. I'd root for his comeback. Ray says Ricky's working out and getting back to "his old self."
Nate Campbell and Erislandy Lara Added to Marquez-Katsidis Card (411mania)
If you're out in Vegas, make an attempt to hit this show. Not only is the televised triple-header solid and headlined by a FOTY possibility, but Nate Campbell will be fighting familiar trial horse Walter Estrada to gauge where he's at in his career, and Erislandy Lara will be in action. Also featured will be prospects Keith Thurman, Bastie Samir and Michael Finney.
The Pugilist: In defence of Haye-Harrison (Yahoo! Eurosport)
James Garner of Yahoo! Eurosport says critics of Haye-Harrison don't understand how the sport works. I'd say we definitely understand how it works -- that's what we disagree with most. Garner also calls Tomasz Adamek "dull" and says there's "something deeply fascinating about Harrison." Adamek has been involved in three Fight of the Year contenders in his career. Harrison is fascinating (if that's what you want to call it) because he's a flop. You know what boxing fans like? Boxing, and Adamek's good at it. Harrison has proven to be a lackluster heavyweight even in a truly bad era for the division. But that's cool, man. Diff'rent strokes. Enjoy bad fights.
Q&A: Carl Froch (Fightnews.com)
Carl Froch can't talk about his bad back without a lawyer present, but he can talk about Arthur Abraham, and does he ever.
Segura vs Vargas Set For Nov. 27, Cuello is Now Out (BoxingScene.com)
Ryan Burton of BoxingScene.com reports that junior flyweight champ Giovani Segura will defend against Manuel "Chango" Vargas on Nov. 27 in Tijuana. The original opponent, Denver Cuello, is out. Vargas isn't a great challenger, but neither was Cuello, and the real issue is riding on Segura surviving the fight and facing Ivan Calderon in an April 2011 money rematch. There have been a lot of upsets in the lower weight classes in 2010, and nothing would stun me at this point. Part of the fun at 105/108 this year has been the shocking losses of guys like Omar Nino, Brian Viloria, and then Viloria's conqueror, Carlos Tamara. It's been a fun year for the little guys.
Steve Collins found not guilty of assault (RTÉ News)
Ireland's Steve Collins was acquitted of assaulting a bouncer in a 2006 incident at National Stadium in Dublin. Collins won the WBO middleweight title in 1994, then moved up and dethroned Chris Eubank as WBO super middleweight titlist in 1995, holding the title through his final fight in 1997. Collins once said that he'd been chasing Roy Jones Jr. so long that he would forget about money and "fight him in a phone box in front of two men and a dog."
Tua vs Evander Holyfield? (NZ Herald)
Promoter Cedric Kushner is working on David Tua's comeback within the comeback, as they're trying to schedule a New Zealand fight in March against Monte Barrett, Hasim Rahman or Evander Holyfield. I don't "get" Tua's career. He says he wants to fight for a title again, but he just keeps fighting guys who aren't in contention. Oh wait! That DOES get you shots at heavyweight titles!
An Aside
Mark Twain once said, "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
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The problem is that there’s a bunch of guys all bunched together, none of whom are in, all of whom are in the realm of being deserving, and none of whom seems to have much more merit than the others. Personally, I think Nigel Benn is actually the most deserving of that bunch (despite Collins beating him twice at the end of his career), but if you put Collins in there, how does one justify leaving out Benn, Eubank and possibly Kalambay? And that even leads to a slippery slope for guys like Tiozzo, Hill (who might be deserving) and Michalczewski (who somehow wasn’t on the ballot this year, but who I also think is deserving).
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Gotta admit, Froch is one of the most skilled talkers in the sport. He’s annoying as all hell and it’s not that he’s so witty or outrageous or anything, but his delivery is very smooth and he’s just really good at taking any reporter’s question and turning it around to something he can use in his favor.
I'm interested to see how Samir's career pans out
He was one of the better pro prospects in the last Olympics, but he’s moving VERY slow.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Vasyl Lomachenko
He’s staying amateur through 2012. But he’s still only like 21 years old. I think he’ll be dominant when he finally does go pro. I’d go as far as to make him a leading candidate for fighter of the decade, assuming he does go pro in 2012.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Segura-Vargas will be a great fight
for the three rounds or so before Vargas gets knocked out. Two guys with real action styles.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
BTW
Is it a concern that I’ve developed a real soft spot for light-hitting swarmers like Chango Vargas, Cristobal Cruz, Khoren Gevor and Affif Belghecham?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I really like those guys too. Juan Diaz. I never saw Jeff Fenech fight, but I recall Kellerman saying he fought that way too.
You HAVE to see Fenech fight
Cardio- MACHINE!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
From the Froch interview:
He is definitely afraid of me. It’s his first proper fight with a real puncher at 168. He boxed Jermain Taylor, who was finished. I finished off Jermain Taylor, let’s not forget about that. I gave him a bad beating for the rounds ten, eleven and twelve and ended his career. Now, Abraham went twelve rounds with Taylor and got the knockout in the last round from an exhausted Taylor. He was exhausted from the fight with me, he was ready for retirement. Abraham finished off Taylor’s career but it was already sort of ruined by myself.
Anyone else see this as being complete bullshit?
First of all, Froch did not beat Taylor in all three rounds he says he did. He was WELL behind on my card, and he was about 30 seconds from losing that fight.
Second: Abraham outclassed Jermain Taylor from start to finish. He won practically every round, and didn’t need to go for the KO in the last, but saw the opportunity and took it. As opposed to Froch, who was far behind and HAD to get the knockout in the 12th.
Thirdly: talk of finishing Taylor’s career? How classy of you, Carl. You really are a giant among men.
I’m British, but by God I’ll be rooting for Arthur Abraham on November the 27th.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Anyone else see this as being complete bullshit?
Well at least he’s consistent. Couldn’t you say the same thing about anything Froch has ever said in his life about any topic?
Good point, well made. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I kept hearing about Froch long before I actually saw him fight, and going by the mind-blowing self-reports he kindly offered, I expected to see an insanely brilliant fighter – instead I got Frochy – a guy who has the audacity to call himself ‘The Cobra’? WTF? ‘Nelly The Elephant’ would be more fitting.
And yeah, he’s full of crap. Gutsy enough – but full of it.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Nov 12, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Nelly the Elephant"
lolololololololololololol
Love the bit about the insanely brilliant fighter too….
This comment is so good I wish I had more than one account so I could rec it more than once.
Post of the Year for me so far…. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'd like to thank the esteemed members of the Chaos Academy
and extend my gratitude to Nelly and his proboscis-like punches for inspiring my post.
*exits stage left…..whoops….ushered to stage right.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
I don’t think he’ll want his lasting image to be a fat ex-fighter allegedly snorting cocaine off of a hotel dresser.
It wouldn’t be!
Hatton’s career will we/already has been punctuated. By Manny.
Ricky could fight a hundred more times but he will be remembered forever for the punch that knocked him cold … before he ever began his final fall.
If the last thing he made headlines for was getting knocked cold by Manny, I think that would be preferable to fat ex-fighter allegedly snorting cocaine off of a hotel dresser.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 11, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but outside of the UK and boxing circles
That shot of him falling flat will be played more times than the ski jumper in Wide World Of sports ‘Agony of Defeat’.
I mean …talk about a telegenic. That one is the Highlight Reel HOF.
that guy's story is funny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinko_Bogataj#Minor_celebrity_status
The melodrama of the narration—which became something of a catch phrase in the US—and the sympathetic pain of watching Bogataj wipe out week after week, transformed the uncredited ski jumper into an American icon of bad luck and misfortune. Meanwhile, having retired to his quiet, private life in Slovenia, Vinko Bogataj was unaware of his celebrity, and so was quite confused to be asked to attend the 30th anniversary celebration for Wide World of Sports in 1991. He was stunned when other, more famous athletes present, such as Muhammad Ali, asked him for his autograph.
In 1981, Wilson and Lewin were preparing for Wide World’s 20th anniversary program and decided to fly Vinko over to appear at the event. "We put him up at the Waldorf Astoria, and sat him in the front row at the show, but he had no idea that he’d become a folk hero in the U.S.," Wilson recalls.
* * * *
"Before McKay could even finish introducing him, the place went nuts," Wilson remembers. The event was a who’s who of American sports, with Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Peggy Fleming, Nadia Comaneci, and the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team all in attendance. And yet, Vinko was clearly the crowd favorite.
"We had the greatest athletes of the last 20 years together in one room, but the biggest ovation of the night, by far, was for Vinko Bogataj," Lewin says. Bogataj was also a favorite amongst the athletes, several of whom requested autographs. "Before the evening was out, Muhammad Ali came over to Vinko Bogataj, and Muhammad asked Vinko for his autograph," Wilson says, recalling the surreal moment.
If Hatton is seriously considering a comeback then I’d like to see him relocate to the States. Get him away from the boozy Manc lad comfort zone. It’s good that he’s back in training, socializing with his mates, but if he wants to fight then leave all that and go full spartan.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Agreed. Totally.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He can definitely come back and do some damage
But I have serious doubts if he could ever get near the real championship level he once knew without being gun-shy about getting clocked.
The last three rounds he fought as a professional were highlight reel material.
First Floyd’s check left hook into the turnbuckle.
And then Manny’s shot that sent him into Walkin’ into Wonderland.
I’m just not sure you come back from those kinds of KO’s.
You beat me to it....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Everyone forgets about how Lazcano had him on Queer Street. Evryone forgets about how the sholace bullshite
gave him extra time to recover. Am I the only one who remember that? Am I the only one who remembers how he sounded in the interview after the Lazcano bout. Or was it a mirage? He first got rocked by Collazo, then waxed by Mayweather, then rocked by The Hispanic Causing Panic, then he destroyed by Manny. I like Ricky. Always have because he is a regular type mate who knows where he is from, but coming back would do him no good whatsoever, particularly if you add on his weight and “other” problems.
I for one want to see him retire with a fine, Hall of Fame type record, hopefully with his health intact, and live a happy life. I have seen the other scenario far to often.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Let’s not forget that he also completely overpowered and broke Malignaggi down immediately before he got Pacquiao’d. He looked good against Paulie.
Paulie Can't Hurt Anything.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
But it's more about Ricky's performance
How HE looked. And he boxed very smartly.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
I know and I was amazed by his perfomance which was A+
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I scored the Lazcano fight MUCH closer than just about anyone. Lazcano had him in real trouble, and Lazcano, much as I like him, ain’t that great.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 12, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Goaty. We ave no tempations here! Ha Put him in Vegas.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
No wuckas Blasty.
Vegas ain’t Manchester, who’s pub culture is legendary – that’s Ricky’s vice. Even the lovely Lancashire lasses drink pints up there! But playing poker and watching chicks work a pole sure as shit won’t hurt his fitness! :) I’d be happy if he never fought again, but reports suggest that he IS considering it – so don’t go down the same old path – switch it up.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Why the photos of Ricky knocked out cold on your website?
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Becuase Manny did it
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
But now you have me feeling guilty. Should I remove it, Snake?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
It's your site, Blaster
I love a clean knock out and appreciate the artistry in delivering it. But I’ll pass on aerial view close-ups of the unconscious fighter.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
You have a fantastic turn of phrase.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Meant foor the Snake re Hatton
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
The fight's over.
And a brave fighter – one who gives his all – deserves better than to have a camera shoved in his face while he’s lying on the canvas unconcious and unaware. Deserves more respect IMO.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Nov 13, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good one
watching chicks work a pole
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Knew you'd catch that.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Yes, you are closing in on MRBILL in the legendary Poster Hall of Fame here in Northern New Hampshire
where Don From Prov is the Executive Director.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
see my post above, properdave
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
im sure that wasn’t there before!
but yeah i’m from manchester an i forget how many amazing nights i’ve had out after a ricky hatton fight. Simple fact is every person knew he had peaked at Tszyu, even when we cheered him on like mental vs Mayweather there wasn’t any suprise or dissapointment when he lost. So because of what he’s given no one cpuld deny him the fight with Pacquiao, but the condition he is he can’t really come back and compete against the current 140lb champs. As a Ricky Hatton fan i don’t want to come away with that sickening feeling again.
I meant see how I also agree
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Collins
was tough as nails but crude as hell.I was never a fan of his skills (or lack of) but did appreciate his heart and courage.
Not the same time period
But I wonder how Steve Collins vs. Clinton Woods would have played out…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
HE WOULD HAVE EATEN HIM UP.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I am a big, big fan of Collins. He used to hang in Southei (Boston).
One of my best pieces is devoted to him. He started strong and finised strong and has some monster notches on his belt.
Get him into the IBHF NOW!
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
That was some of your finest work.
Respect to Stevie Collins but a prime RJ woulda’ beaten him IMO. Still wanted to see it though, and as Matt said, Collins was beggin for it – that’s a champion. I remember watching a young Collins challenge Mike McCallum after only 17 or so fights, and forgive him for beating Chris Pyatt for the title. He epitomizes ‘Heart of a Champion’.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
I attended that fight in Boston. I was ringside.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
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