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How Big Will Pacquiao-Margarito Really Be?

It's a big fight, but HOW big?

Last September, something caught me by surprise. It was the week of the fight between a returning Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his handpicked, undersized opponent, Juan Manuel Marquez.

Boxing fans in large part called foul on the matchup, saying Mayweather was too big, taking too easy of a fight, and that the proud and great Marquez was being marched into slaughter for the almighty dollar. Now, before we go further, let me say that yes, that is exactly what it was, and is exactly what happened.

But that fight, which had been postponed from its original July date, did something remarkable in the final week of hype. It picked up a ton of steam in the media and, noticeably to me, in online interest. The resulting PPV buy figure of right around one million was a stunner; such a stunner that when it was first being rumored and reported, several hotly anti-Mayweather dummies absolutely refused to believe that Floyd could come back with such an obviously weak fight and sell that well. But he did, and when the dust settled and I thought about it, that late surge of interest must have contributed at least something. The fight was not being talked up all that well. Then it just... happened.

I noticed something similar but less dramatic in the final steps of the build-up to Mayweather-Mosley this year, which had reported PPV buys of 1.5 million. I did not notice any late interest in Pacquiao-Clottey, which came in around 700,000, which was very respectable and even admirable given Clottey's total lack of name value.

This all dates back to the first of the truly modern "Super-Fights," which came in 2007 when Oscar de la Hoya fought Mayweather. There is a whole new cycle to Huge Event Boxing, and it comes in large part from the rise of HBO's "24/7" program, which started at Oscar-Floyd and has continued on through this fight. Other fights they've given "24/7" treatment to were Mayweather-Hatton, Calzaghe-Jones, Oscar-Pacquiao, Hatton-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Marquez and Mayweather-Mosley. Pacquiao-Clottey did not have a "24/7" series, and of those fights, was the least-bought event on pay-per-view. HBO did a one-shot feature called "Road to Dallas" for that bout.

This one has a lot going for it in terms of sales, and while I don't admire much of it, it's there and it's silly to dismiss that these things might help:

  1. 24/7. This is a show everyone seems to love. I think it's hammy, but then smug elitists from any interest tend to disagree with what Joe Six-Pack thinks. Rock critics aren't often fans of Nickelback. Movie critics don't adore Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Sometimes you get a perfect storm (The Beatles, Avatar, the first "24/7" which everyone liked), but usually that's not the case.
  2. Margarito is the baddest bad guy you're ever going to see. He's been branded a cheater. Now he's even more hated by those who hate him. And like any bad guy, he has his fans, too. Mayweather has positioned himself as the bad guy in every one of his biggest fights, and they always sell. It's cliche, but love him or hate him, people pay to see Floyd. Whether that translates for Margarito, who is disliked more for serious offenses than obnoxious personality, remains to be seen, but it's very possible.
  3. On paper, it's easy to sell this as a potentially action-packed fight. I don't think it will be, really, but again, smug elitist. And even I could argue it should be a very good fight to watch. It's not hard. Pacquiao is a great action fighter and Margarito has a history of putting on good to great fights, too.
  4. Margarito is Mexican. That might sound weird to those who don't follow boxing much, but Mexicans and Mexican-Americans are well-known to be one of the most loyal sections of the fanbase out there, and are a proven PPV audience. They buy the shows. Bob Arum wouldn't keep running Latin Fury shows if they didn't.

I don't know what I expect this fight to pull in either live (where they've talked up a 70,000 figure) or on PPV (where a million might be a disappointment). The ingredients are there, but the question is whether one of them (Margarito) has just gone bad and is going to ruin the soup.

Poll
How many PPV buys do you expect for Pacquiao-Margarito on Saturday?
Over 1.5 million
58 votes
1-1.5 million
204 votes
Less than 1 million
77 votes
Less than 750,000
23 votes
Less than 500,000
11 votes

373 votes | Poll has closed

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Don’t know the number, but I suspect the result might be dissapointing based on current information.

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

by Kid Blast on Nov 12, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

No way this comes even close to 1 mil.

No hype at all, nothing novel in this fight.

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi

by Waldo Rastel on Nov 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Cowboy Stadium Factor...

Has anyone thought that the huge stadium plays a huge factor when it come to PPV numbers? My numbers may be wrong, but I did see that the stadium is extendable to 111,000 people w/ a standing room. From what I hear, tons of people buy tickets just to be in that stadium and watch the fight on the gigantic big screen. Compare that to the fights that PBF fights in, Vegas only. Those venues are pretty small compared to the Cowboy stadium, and a lot of those casino venue tickets are saved for celebrities and high rollers which limits live ticket sales to the public. This results to more PPVs being bought. I may be wrong, but I’m just sayin’…

DieHard SacKings/ BuffaloBills fan...

by rest9 on Nov 12, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

It probably has a small impact, but most likely it’s something like 20,000 buys. If they get their high-end live crowd, it’s 70K. If HALF of that audience would buy the PPV if they weren’t going live, then it would be 35,000, but that ignores that a lot of people get groups of 3, 5, 10, 20 people together to watch PPVs as a party. If you have 100 people watching at your McMansion, that’s one buy.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 12, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Or six at McSaresmansion

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

by Kid Blast on Nov 12, 2010 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

I’m guessing 1.1 million, for the record, and I expect if I’m off, it’ll be lower, not higher.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 12, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

My point is that Avatar was a critical and commercial success of major proportion. I didn’t love it, either.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 12, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Your meaning was clear, I was just kidding.

I do wonder how much 24/7 really moves a Pacman fight at this point. If HBO thought it had a huge impact, I imagine they would have done one for the Clottey fight. It can’t be too costly to produce.

by drivlikejehu on Nov 13, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s pretty costly to produce. For one thing you have to pay Liev Schreiber. I think they were more concerned, however, that Clottey isn’t interesting. At all. Which he isn’t.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 13, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The costs of them are actually charged back to the promoters, so apparently Pac-Clot just didn’t seem like it would be worth it to Arum. He could have been right.

by El Destruyo on Nov 13, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The promoters pay Liev Schreiber?!? Incredible. I guess that must’ve been it, then, and I would suspect Arum is right.

Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Nov 13, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

24/7 costs about $1 million to produce for each series

And all of it comes out of the pocket of the promoter.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I just saw Avatar the other night and was moved to boo my television. A CGI geek made a bad, moralistic Western. Blech.

I do not like pickles.

by Pops Daniels on Nov 13, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Jerry Jones' Death Star

I’m going for 1.2 million PPV’s. I went to the Pac-Clottey fight, and I think there were about 40,000 people there. The buzz about this fight is big here in Dallas…I expect a large Mexican walk up count…say 65,000-70,000 attendees.
I hate Jerry Jones, but I’m telling you that stadium is awsome. The gigantic screen alone is worth the price of admission.

I’m having a poker game/ boxing spectacular at my house Sat night. It’s also my wife’s birthday…I hope she bakes a cake.

by FrankinDallas on Nov 12, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking about 750-800k

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

That you in the avatar?

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

by Kid Blast on Nov 13, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Tomasz Adamek

And his sense of humor. Silly guy, cutting down stop signs so that cars get into fiery crashes…

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Nov 13, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

by Kid Blast on Nov 13, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Even some non-boxing oriented media have been talking about it (more specifically, about Margarito and his moment of brilliance). Plus, Pacquiao is the second biggest name in the sport, and there aren’t any other huge fights for the casual boxing audience. So, I think somewhere over a million.

by Bonkers on Nov 13, 2010 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

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