Manny Pacquiao Dominates Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 1:10 AM EST
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Folks, what more can you say?
Tonight at Cowboys Stadium, Manny Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 KO) dominated a much bigger, very game, very determined Antonio Margarito (38-7, 26 KO), winning a wide 12-round decision. Official scores were 120-108, 119-109 and 118-110. Bad Left Hook and SB Nation scored it 119-109 for Manny.
Pacquiao started strong, showcasing his speed and movement against the lumbering, clearly bigger Margarito. Margarito took the second round on our scorecard in what was an awesome offensive display from both fighters. Tonight, what may have been most learned is simple: Manny Pacquiao can take a punch from a bigger man. And take it pretty well.
Margarito gave his best tonight against Pacquiao, but it simply wasn't close to enough. Pacquiao was too fast, too active, too good for the Mexican foe, and Margarito couldn't keep up with him, no matter how hard he tried.
Now, we wonder what's next for Pacquiao, who is running out of opponents. An early guess is that Manny Pacquiao will rematch Miguel Cotto, who was in attendance tonight. But if the dream fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. presents itself -- and the time might be right -- then there's no passing on that. Manny has proven his dominance. Now, it's hard to make a case for Floyd as the best in the world anymore, pound-for-pound. Manny just keeps taking on top foes and, like Floyd, dominating, while also wrecking up his opponents' faces.
On the Undercard
- Brandon Rios TKO-5 Omri Lowther. Rios was out of shape and fighting on short notice, but he was able to mostly overpower the overmatched Lowther. Rios had a huge weight advantage, coming in just shy of the middleweight limit (157) after weight in a bit under 140. He had a huge physical advantage of Lowther, and marches on. Rios may well face Humberto Soto or Urbano Antillon in his next fight, as those two will face off next month.
- Mike Jones MD-12 Jesus Soto Karass. Jones kept his unbeaten record, but struggled a lot with the tough Soto Karass. Bad Left Hook and SB Nation scored it 96-94 for Soto Karass, but it wasn't a disgrace or robbery, though the 97-93 card for Jones was way too wide by my estimation. Jones may face unbeaten Andre Berto or Kell Brook next, but we have to wait to see how his handlers felt about this fight. Jones came alive late after struggling in the middle rounds, which came from punching himself out with an incredible flurry in the second round that didn't get Soto Karass down. JSK definitely wrangled himself some more good fights as a top-end gatekeeper at least.
- Guillermo Rigondeaux SD-12 Ricardo Cordoba. Both fighters were knocked down, though Cordoba definitely went down harder. Bad Left Hook and SB Nation scored it 116-112 for Rigondeaux (with a 10-10 first round), but it was just not an impressive performance from Rigondeaux, who does not have a lot of money upside. The good news for him is his talent will carry him.
Thank you to everyone who joined us tonight at Bad Left Hook and SB Nation.
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Even if Mayweather beats Pacquiao, we can only say that he’s got better skills, but not better accomplishments or career…
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
No...
Beating Pacquiao would be an accomplishment in itself, at this point.
what this guy said
also basically saying “if floyd beats manny it still doesnt mean hes better” is kinda dumb
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 14, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
No, my point is that regardless of whether Mayweather beats Pacquiao, his career is not at the level of Pacquiao’s. By the time they both retire, Pacquiao will have done much more.
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
how?
floyd beat a better oscar… floyd took hattons (i kno not at his weight) 0… his last fight he dominated the guy who dominated and stopped margarito… people make it like floyd has been fighting firemen while manny is fighting worldbreakers… if anything their recent competition has been on the same level
manny picks his opponents just the same as floyd
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 14, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Devil's advocate time
floyd beat a better oscar
But far, far less convincingly.
floyd took hattons (i kno not at his weight) 0
But Pacquiao probably still beat the better version of Hatton, based on how bad Hatton had previously looked ay 147. Also, why does being the first person to beat someone necessarily add validity to that win?
his last fight he dominated the guy who dominated and stopped margarito
Yup, and well done to him. Mosley sure did look really old though, didn’t he?
people make it like floyd has been fighting firemen while manny is fighting worldbreakers
No they aren’t; they are suggesting that Pacquiao’s win are of a higher level than Mayweathers, but that both are still at a very high level.
manny picks his opponents just the same as floyd
Don’t be silly, Mayweather had plenty of opportunities to fight both Margo and Cotto, but didn’t take them. He fought the likes of Judah, Baldomir, and fat Marquez, which really isn’t the same thing.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see.. i could do the same
judah was, when the fight was signed, the undisputed welter champ
and thats what baldomir was when he fought him
and is fighting fat marquez any different than boiled down, obviously shot oscar?
manny is great and i dont mean to discredit him at all, but it seems like we are holding these guys at a different standard.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
and is fighting fat marquez any different than boiled down, obviously shot oscar?
Did you really just ask this?
Let’s push this to an extreme. If David Haye could boil down to 165lbs, and Giovanni Segura piled on weight to make the same weight, who would be more effective at that weight? Maybe pushing it to that extreme is silly, but it kind of makes the point anyway.
Fighting the naturally bigger man is (almost) always more difficult than fighting a guy who is smaller and blown up.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Also
If Jean Pascal went up and lost to Haye, and Haye beat him up, would we compare say that it added to Haye’s p4p credentials? I don;t think so.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Judah was, when the fight was signed, the undisputed welter champ
and thats what baldomir was when he fought him
And why, in this age of ridiculous titles and organisational bodies, does this alone make them equal to, or greater than, Pacquiao’s wins in terms of legitimacy? Are you really trying to suggest that Baldomir was a better win than Cotto, simply because he held a strap. Which he won from Judah, it should be noted.
and is fighting fat marquez any different than boiled down, obviously shot oscar?
Yes.
manny is great and i dont mean to discredit him at all, but it seems like we are holding these guys at a different standard.
We are, and quite reasonably. I can hold Pacquiao’s resume comfortably above Mayweathers, without actually belittling it.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
it seems like we are holding these guys at a different standard.
Manny’s fights in the last 3 years:
Marco Antonio Barrera (Future HOF- fighting at Barrera’s most effective weight)
Juan Manuel Marquez (Future HOF- fighting at a weight at which Marquez was more than comfortable)
David Diaz (A lighter touch, but Manny stepping up and fighting for a world title at a new weight in his first fight at the weight)
Oscar De La Hoya (Future HOF- Manny jumps up two weight classes and his third in two fights to fight a light-middleweight with significant physical advantages. Retires said fighter.)
Ricky Hatton (Possible Future HOF- fighting at Hatton’s best weight where he was comfortable and undefeated. Retires said fighter- at least until now.)
Miguel Angel Cotto (Future HOF- fighting at Cotto’s best weight, and yet again moving back up in weight himself. Beats the tar out of Cotto, and stops him.)
Joshua Clottey (Not a future Hall of Famer, but ’ain’t nothin to fuck with’, according to Floyd Mayweather Sr. Embarrasses Clottey.)
Antonio Margarito (Pre-controversy might have been considered for HOF. Steps up again in weight and fights yet another guy Floyd avoided. Scores a near-shutout victory.)
Floyd’s fights in last three years:
Oscar De La Hoya (Fought Oscar at Oscar’s best weight, but only won a very tight SD, which I personally had him losing.)
Ricky Hatton (Made Hatton come up in weight, fight with Floyd’s choice of glove size, in Floyd’s choice of ring size, in Floyd’s choice of venue, etc etc, and had Joe Cortez on his side. Still didn’t do to Hatton what Pacquaio did at Hatton’s best weight.)
Juan Manuel Marquez (made Marquez come up two weight classes, and STILL didn’t make the effort to make weight. Effectively cheated a much smaller man when others were VERY keen to introduce themselves- see: Margarito, Williams, Oscar, et al.)
Shane Mosley (Future HOF- However, Floyd waited til Mosley was 39 before making this fight.)
So, to summarize: In the same time period that Floyd has fought a SD with Oscar, fought a 39 year old who was at least 5 years past his (admittedly admirable) peak, and beat two smaller men that he forced to fight him at his own weight on his own terms, Manny has fought 6 guys who could have made it to the Hall of Fame, fought guys for seven different titles in five different weight classes, and…oh yeah!! He has fought FOUR welterweights that Floyd has wanted no part of in his time at the ‘top’ of the welterweights.
I don’t really think that this is judging them by different standards, to be honest.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
by Chaos100 on Nov 14, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The things that this guy said
They are good.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great Post Chaos
Absolutly right mate.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I love you guys....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Ditto
You’ve said what I was going to say but so much better, so I won’t really add anything to that, except: I agree 100%.
http://www.firesteveaddazio.com
Fire Steve Addazio.
Oscar was 3 to one on against Pac
Mayweather was 4 to one on against Marquez . Hindsight is an easy thing to use .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Nice work....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Not really
There are plenty of fighters who are better over their careers than people that beat them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wladimir Klitschko
Lamon Brewster/Russ Purrity/Corrie Sanders
Lennox Lewis
Oliver McCall/Hasim Rahman
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
But in this case Mayweather's career has not been all that bad. If he beats Manny and
then retires undefeated, the issue really becomes the way he selectivly fought cherry picking using time between fight as his method of cherry picking. Whereas Manny fought often and against most top guys. He also became a Mexicutioner like Roger Mayweather which is no easy trick.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
It was quite the main event
I thought there was some real drama there, especially in the middle rounds.
I really didn’t like to see Manny hanging out on the ropes, and I thought despite his brilliance and heart, he looks to have slowed down a bit.
Pac’s something else, man. Really, what a special guy – who says “yea I got hurt a couple times.” – nobody says that.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Post fight press conference is supposed to be streaming here: http://www.toprank.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?catid=0 but it isn’t working/hasn’t started yet.
Nice I like.
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For the record,
Pacquiao-Cotto II is the only plausible Pacquiao fight I wouldn’t even bother watching, and I’ve seen all of his fights live since the first Barrera fight.
But if Arum persists, here’s your slogan for that:
Pacquiao-Cotto II:
No
More
Ideas
Yup… there’s just no reason to do that… Manny Steward should tell Cotto to stay the hell away…get him a few more winnable fights and then have him retire
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
At the press conference Bob Arum said was asked about Margarito’s future and he said a fight with Cotto made the most sense.
When asked about future Pacquiao opponents he mentioned Mosley and Marquez.
not many questions for Bob during the press conference
just him looking at the camera with that goofy ass look on his face.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
ESPN is reporting the attendance at: 41,734
Way below expectations. Nice!
Officially boycotting Pacquiao vs. Margarito.
Fire Steve Addazio.
Props to Pacman
I’m a Huge Margarito Fan but Pacman is a Great Fighter even though after fight Pacman Said Margarito hurt him when he backed him up against Ropes body punch and Upper Cut.
Whos next for Pacman? Mosley, Maywether Williams at 147 or Martinez, Cotto at 155?
Mayweather is not going to fight Manny....
Unless he’s present in the urine testing and holding Pacmans privates. Otherwise ITS FIXED!
Olympic style testing, what a load of crock! I wonder how effective that was for Marion Jones?
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by aPacificChief on Nov 14, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Pacquiao took pity on the Tornado.
Why dont we ever see the headline "Psychic
wins lottery" in the newspapers?
Pacquiao - Martinez or Williams
Those are very, very risky fights for Pacquiao, but I like him better when he’s taking big risks. Pacquiao-Mayweather is the best fight for him, though, but I think it won’t happen.
I think Manny has reached his Everest. He can’t fight at a higher weight vs big and stronger guys. The guys who would make most sense would be Martinez/Williams winner, but they have one thing that Margarito doesn’t have speed. Margarito looked painfully slow in there but still could cut off the ring.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Margs chin was loaded right? :)
How the hell was he standing after that?
"Marriage is the leading cause of divorce"
How does a low return for this fight affect things?
Does a low money return (attendance/PPV buys) affect Manny’s future? Judging by the annouunced numbers, that’s not that huge a crowd. The argument could start to develop that Manny, as great as he is, doesn’t sell that well. I wonder if this push us more to Pac/Mayweather fight, or back to a Pac/Cotto match.
The fight still sold well
And Pacquaiao may actually be a bigger draw than ever before. As Mayweather woudl say, the dance partner is very important.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
True, but Williams is kind of known to be one of the most avoided boxers ever…he is really good but he hasn’t fought anyone really known so he doesn’t get enough attention which hurts him that he can be avoided…to sum it up: He is too good for his own good.
The fight showed Pacquio can get hurt (crumbling a few times when hit to the body) but doesn’t like it and tends to retaliate by punching the other guy 10 times to the face.
This shows how dangerous he can be….he can spin around and punch you simultaneously (which is pretty fu*king crazy) and will fight harder when you press him.
The fight could of been stopped at the 10 and pretty much the 11th…if you noticed Pac-man looked at the ref and gave him a “really going to keep this going?” kind of look,
One problem I saw was Manny looked really tired at the end….you can tell Roach was telling the truth at 24/7 that this training camp was one of the worse….I think Manny might have too much on his plate of responsibilities…I hope he can get it together better next time.
I see Manny fighting Williams in a year or two.
by Guillermo Ponce on Nov 14, 2010 4:59 AM EST reply actions
I highly doubt that will ever happen
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
Pacquiao’s whole career was highly doubtful at this point.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
I remember Roach outright declaring that they would never fight Margarito.
This was before the loaded gloves incident, but still.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
As much as Roach has been masterful at match making and transforming Manny
I believe he himself has been amazed at what his charge has been capable of doing.
Cotto was supposed to be too big. Margarito way to big.
With Manny, it’s best to never say never.
Yeah, it's kind of hard for a rational human being to predict
that your product (Manny) is going to do something that’s never even been attempted before, let alone accomplished. And that he’d do it in style.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Yeah, I can't remember which post-fight interview it was:
Freddy was asked who was next, and he said there were options. Then a journalist asked, “Klitschko?” Freddy laughed and said that might be a step too far, and then someone else said “Margarito?”, to which Freddy responded “I’d rather send him in against either Klitschko than Margarito….”
Let’s be right about something else: Margarito was GOOD last night. He was tough, strong, he punched better, if anything, than he did in the Cotto fight. He operated a jab, and he put punches togther pretty well when he could get within range. But Manny Pacquaio was something else.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
When Manny dropped those bombs in the 4th, I began to think my KO5 prediction was not far off – but in the end I was more than happy with the systematic beatdown. Did he carry Margo towards the end? It’s an absolute pleasure watching Pacman go to work; and I love that cheeky eyebrow raise during the ringwalk – unfazed and in his element.
He didn’t have quite the same snap as in the Oscar, Cotto and Hatton fights and I wondered why, as a southpaw, he kept moving to his left. I’m sure he knew what he was doing :) – he managed to land a shit load of big left hands down that’s for sure. Margo looked slower than usual but never stopped walking up, and hung tough in there.
Martinez might be stretching it – no disrespect to Manny. Margo had 17 lbs on him but looked way past his best – Sergio’s in his prime, fast, smart and bigger. Williams isn’t beyond Manny IMO – as freakish as that would look – but I’d like to see him fight at 140-147. Pacquiao-Mayweather HAS to happen, not to define Manny in any way, but for the supreme boxing spectacle.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Manny was tired for good reason.
He was punching a bigger, taller, aggressive and fearless pressure fighter like Margarito for an entire fight.
With a head of stone, Margarito took what Cotto and Oscar could not. Relentless rat a tat machine gun power shots throughout the fight.
I happened to be sitting next to Juanma and Cotto. When I asked Miguel earlier in the night what he thought we might expect, his answer was a ‘tough’ fight for both men. As the fight progressed, it was clear that he was impressed. Juanma the same. Maybe more so. Each in their own way…Cotto’s English being better….made it clear that what they were seeing was extraordinary.
Manny climbed a huge mountain tonight. He should be tired.
Wow!
You keep impressive company Mr Power – high class commentary. Manny’s a champion amongst champions, a man amongst men. I loved this fight and can’t wait to see it again.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Last night gentlemen was one of the greatest experiences of my life....in sport.
Love my two girls too much to say the greatest ever.
Sitting next to…in front of to be accurate….Miguel and his buddy Brian, Juanma and his promoter Peter Rivera was enough. Without the fight! Then swapping impressions during the fight with them…and seeing their reactions….was priceless.
I didnt need to speak Spanish to understand. I can tell you without reservation whatsoever that Juanma and Jorge Arce (also nearby) were going nuts exchanging comments. Cotto was as cool ..and nice…as any champion could be. His buddy as well. Rivera was absolutely impressed.
It was a night I’m not sure I’ll get to experience.
A War in the Ring.
Sitting w kings.
A couple of other impressions Matt:
Juanma is tiny. I’m six feet exactly. And tower over him.
These guys get great plastic surgery.
Cotto looks like he’s never been cut.
Even Arce looked normal.
And he’s a bleeder.
Mosely is a true gentleman.
Through and through
Those are very cool people to be around
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
PACQUIAO
Pacquiao has his hands wrapped in speed, skill, & power. He could probably be middle weight champion also. Pacquiao does not need Mayweather though that is the fight every one but Floyd Mayweather wants to see. I think Pretty Boy Floyd can see his unbeaten record coming to a halt when and if he gets in the ring with Pacquiao. His pretty boy looks may get re-arranged also. Pacquiao does not talk big but fights like a mad man. Best wishes from the Lone Star State to Manny Pacquiao.
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