Video Hype: Manny Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito Highlights
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 5:33 AM EST
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PrintBelow are video highlights of Manny Pacquiao's nasty domination of Antonio Margarito, courtesy HBO Sports and Yahoo! Sports. Pacquiao landed an unreal 53% of his power punches, carving Margarito up and turning his face into hamburger.
The display Pacquiao put on last night against such a massively bigger man cannot be overstated. Margarito is likely not quite in his prime anymore, but he was game. Margarito hit Manny with shots that going in, we would have thought would give Pacquiao some real problems. The trouble for Margarito is, they didn't trouble Manny much at all. Margarito told his corner at one point that Pacquiao couldn't hurt him, but then Margarito started getting hurt -- often. Pacquiao has placed himself above all other fighters at this point. I am not biased against Floyd Mayweather Jr.; though I don't agree with Mayweather's actions or his schedule sometimes, I take nothing away from Floyd. He's a great fighter, an incredible talent, and very special. But Manny Pacquiao has taken greatness in his era to a whole new level. Margarito is not a great fighter, but with the way he performed, he should have given Pacquiao some real trouble. He just didn't. Manny is proving immune to size disadvantages. It's impossible to ignore at this point that Manny Pacquiao is not just beating people, but retiring them or seriously changing the trajectory of their careers. His gameplans are flawless, his performances jaw-dropping, and somehow, he manages to seem like a better fighter almost every time out.
We're witnessing something truly special. The NBA can keep LeBron James. Manny Pacquiao is at this point the most amazing athlete in all of sports. I stand by that statement.
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Great comment Scott and very true.
It’s nice that we can all enjoy Manny while he’s still boxing. Freddy Roach made a touching point in saying, “we haven’t list him to politics yet”.
When he moves on, there will be a huge void.
by Phill on Nov 14, 2010 5:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That fight
makes up for the embarassment to boxing earlier on hey Phil?
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Yes it does, mate.
And the “other” fight was all that’s wrong with the sport. It doesn’t deserve naming in a Manny thread!
by Phill on Nov 14, 2010 6:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"The most amazing athlete in all of sports"
No contest!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Awesome display by Manny.
Great post, Scott. I have to agree with the most amazing athlete in all of sports. This would be like a pitcher hitting like Albert Pujols while also pitching like Roger Clemens.
Manny is this boxing generation’s Babe Ruth. We’ll be talking about him for decades to come, and comparing all others to him like we have done with Leonard and Ali.
What a pleasure to watch him in the ring.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Absolutely the best athlete in any sport...
A Champion in EIGHT weight classes cannot be ignored.
If I were Floyd I’d keep running to!
Jared Allen, Culinary Acadamy
Manny doesn't have the knock blow of a Tyson
but he sure knows how to mangle a once pretty face into a bloody mess.
Jared Allen, Culinary Acadamy
by aPacificChief on Nov 14, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not really into that "champ in eight weight classes" BS
but I’m really, really impressed with Pacquiao’s performance tonight. especially with his ability to take punches.
manny continues to blow me away. just watched the fight online and it was pretty damn impressive. i expected it and predicted him to win but still, when you actually witness it happen is something else.
seeing manny jump divisions and beat the crap out of much much bigger men makes me wish we could have seen the same from a guy like ricardo lopez. fininto, until mannys recent tear, was in my opinion the best fighter i ever seen in my lifetime, but what manny is doing now bumps finito aside for sure.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
Totally agree,Scott
Even the miserable Colin Hart admitted Manny is up there with SRR,Ali,Armstrong,Leonard,Duran,etc.
If he’s saying that you know we are witnessing true greatness. :)
I am even more convinced than i was before this fight that Manny will beat Floyd should it ever happen,imo.
I just think he is a better fighter and more well rounded.He can fight or box whereas Floy djust boxes (though does so probably better than anyone around).
Manny on points for me in that one,116-112 or thereabouts.
" Matt....Even the miserable Colin Hart "
Well said, some one needs to tell him to have a laugh while no ones lookin’!!!
lol @ Colin Hart, but...
I still think Mayweather would probably outbox him as he wouldn’t get dragged into a fight…we shall almost certainly never know though
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
By the way
for these fans who try to pick ridiculous faults in Manny’s pretty much flawless performances,like the nieve ones who tried to make a big deal out of his face being a little marked up after the Clottey fight:
A/ It’s a fight,and in Manny’s last few fights,a fight against a bigger man.You are gonna get caught now and again.What matters is how you react when you get caught.
B/ More importantly,Pacquiao does get caught now and agin mainly because he stands in the line of fire or lays on the ropes.It’s as if he wants to prove his toughness.
If he sticked to Freddie’s plan constantly,he would hardly get touched but his fights would be boring,like Mayweather’s usaully are.
I loved the way Pac was hooking around Margo’s jab.And how does he land that straight left so often for such a little guy with short arms?…Amazing!
If i could think of one thing that he might need to address it’s his susceptibility to bodyshots.Margo landed a few (some low) and Manny admitted he hurt him at one stage.
I don’t think the likes of Mayweather could stop him with them or anything but if he fights another bigger guy who can dig hard to the body and place them well,they could bother him and/or slow him down.
Manny just needs to carry on doing his situps and not stay in the pocket or on the ropes too long,imo.
you can see him wincing when marg hits him in the body
what also surprised me was the power in his right hand. he stunned margarito a couple of times with those right hooks
I have to say his power does not suprise me.
I think he hits harder than anyone at welter.
His speed and strength makes him powerful.
yeah, he hits hard, but it’s usually his left had that does the damage.
I would’ve thought that if he can hurt Margarito and his chin, it would’ve been his left hand.
I know he has already knocked down Hatton and Cotto with right hands, but those are perfectly-timed balance shots. The fact that he stunned Margarito with his right hand really surprises me.
yep, the KO was from the huge, huge left hand
but the first knockdown was from a quick right hook
From memory, the first was a right hand, the second was a right hand (when he was flat-out chasing Hatton into the corner);
and the third (the KO) was the left hook inside.
I might be wrong on the second one.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Great quote from Michael Buffer courtesy of Michael Marley
“That was the kind of performance that could make Floyd want to go to jail”
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 8:32 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Amazing quote!
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
nyahahaha
it’s such a shame though if he would really go to jail
Hahaha.
I love the Buffers.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
It's unlikely
but if Manny could get down to 135 or even make a catchweight between 135-140,the fight i would most like to see now,after Pac v May,would be the rubber match with JM Marquez,should Marquez get past Katsidis.
I honestly don't even think it's competitive.
Not at all. Not after last night.
I’d love to see Pacquaio/Floyd, and to be honest, after last night, I have changed my mind on who wins that fight. I had Floyd winning handily, due to his bigger frame and fantastic boxing skills; Margarito also had a MUCH bigger frame than Manny, and Manny showed some pretty slick stuff last night. I now think Manny wins if Floyd mans up. I even think Manny might be quicker than Floyd, going on Floyd/Mosley, and Pac/Margo (especially footwork…. Manny is FAST). I probably go Manny by tight and competitive UD, but honestly would not rule out him stopping Floyd, since I don’t think Floyd would be able to stand up to the sort of punishment that Margarito did last night.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He wouldn’t land near as many on Floyd either but i take your point.
I would make him a big favourite over Marquez but i’m just trying to think up realistic,competitive opponents,
There’s only Floyd that fits that criteria really.
Floyd at 147
I’d like to see him fight Martinez or Williams at 154 (I’d even accept another catchweight of about 151/152 as being reasonable in either fight)….
Wow. I just thought. If Manny fights Williams at 154, would that be the biggest difference in respective wingspans ever for a LMM title fight? Williams has a longer reach than Vitali Klitschko, if I remember right, and Manny isn’t exactly Stretch Armstrong….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I don’t really want to see him fight either of those guys as Williams is just too tall and rangy and they are both strong fighters at their peak.
It would be pushing things too far,imo.
For me this is the order i would like to see in preference of opponent:
1/Mayweather
(big gap)
2/Mosley (cos i think their styles would mesh well,even though Shane is nearly done,imo)
3/Marquez
4/Bradley/Alexander
5/Martinez
6/Williams
In a perfect world i’d love to just see him have one more fight (beating Floyd) then retire.
1. I’d be delighted, obviously.
2. Mosley is shot. This fight is not competitive.
3. Marquez is too small. I mean, what can Marquez do that Margarito couldn’t? (And I do know they are different guys with different styles, but there is simply no way Marquez hurts Manny, or stands up to a sustained assault from Manny. Again, not competitive.
4. These guys are fantastic fighters, and I really rate and respect them both. However, I don’t think either lasts 8 rounds with Pacquaio.
5/6- I’d love to see him fight those guys, because for me, if he did win, then there is simply no argument about Floyd/Manny any more, even if the fight never happens. I don’t think there is any more anyway, at least not P4P, or in terms of legacy, but if Manny beats Sergio Martinez, who has just beaten Kelly Pavlik (the lineal middleweight champion) then even Floyd would have to admit he is second best. (He wouldn’t, but, well…)
For the record, I think Martinez at 154 would be favourite, but not prohibitively so. Williams/Pacquaio would be immense just for the size differential, but Martinez/Pac really has some allure after last night.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Also:
I don’t really want to see him fight either of those guys as Williams is just too tall and rangy and they are both strong fighters at their peak.
So he shouldn’t fight strong guys at their peak? Who do you think he is, Floyd Mayweather? :P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
So he shouldn’t fight strong guys at their peak? Who do you think he is, Floyd Mayweather? :P
I think he might deserve an easy fight or two after overcoming challenge after challenge.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, what can Marquez do that Margarito couldn’t?
The only thing Marquez and Margarito have in common is their nationality.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
And i said Marquez at the lower weight of 135 or maybe 135-140,though Freddie says Manny won’t come below 147 now. (if thats the case,forget it,obvioulsy).
Marquez is one of only two guys to push Manny in the last decade.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
The other being Clottey?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I was quite obviously joking....
but you knew that….
(I’d also say Barrera pushed him quite hard….)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Then
put a :) on the end please as i’m not a mind reader. :)
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Clottey's name spoke for itself....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I can’t say that i agree that Barrera pushed him hard.
I thought both fights were pretty decisive,especially the first.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Decisive does not equal a lack of competitiveness, though.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I meant in terms of power, durability, etc, as was evident in the next part of my post, which you conveniently leave out...
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Williams is freakishly tall and Manny is atypically short. Thta just is not a healthy
intersection. One guy punching down and with increased power and the other gut punching up with reduced power. But then, Manny defies conventional thinking if not logic.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I don’t think anyone should bet against him again. :)
Maybe Williams and Martinez are viable options.I would actually give him a better shot at Williams out of the two,as though he has size and is relentlessly busy,i still don’t rate his talent all that highly.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I bet against Pacquaio in fights against:
Barrera
Oscar
Hatton
Cotto
Last night I bet on Pacquaio on points. It didn’t make up for the money he has cost me over the years, but it made me smile last night….
And yeah,I’ll definitely refrain from betting against himin future… which is something I only say about him and Bernard Hopkins….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
That's kind of why I like the fight.
It’s Haye Valuev all over again,except this time Haye has some guts and Valuev has some ability!!
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Ted, Manny explodes out of a crouch.
Hios power comes from a place we never see.
His thighs. They’re huge.
This is a fighting machine. Smart. Great student. His execution is spectacular. He has defied every limit.
His only flaw: He loves to fight.
I can live with that.
Last night's performance ends the pound for pound debate for me.
(Not that there was much of one any way).
It was a great performance and all
but it was against a plaster-less Margarito. The same one who was also destroyed by Mosley.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Mosley is a natural welterweight,Pacquaio a natural superfeather,maybe even featherweight.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
who also carried his power up
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Pacquaio
could have finished ‘rito last night if he’s wanted to.He carried him the last couple of rounds.
A smaller man like Manny is also less willing to put himself in the pocket than a natural 147lber like Mosley is(which is the smart thing to do),so he gets less oportunities for the KO.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well,
he would do it more often but he wisely took Roach’s advise.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I don't buy the natural weight class for Pacquiao anymore..
Your natural weight class is the class where you carry the max power and speed, right? For Pacquaio it appears to be about 140. 144 appears to be his highest weight so I think 140 should be about right.
by erod on Nov 14, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
126-130lbs
is where he spent most of his career.
Sugar Ray Leonard fought at many different weight classes but is considered a natural welterweight,which was his lowest weight.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Number of fights...
I think Pacquiao has fought a significant number of fights at the 140 range now to justify a new “natural” weight class. I think when we say a guy is out of his natural weight class it’s because the guys he fights are either significantlly larger then him, he looks fat and or really drained, or he lacks punching power, etc.
He is still a naturally small man.
140,maybe but ploish was comparing him to Mosley and Pac is obviously not a natural welter.
He only weighs in the low 140s even now.
Now he is a natural 140lber but over his career i say a natural 130lber.He has added muscle.
Come on now
If you’re going to use my words, at least don’t mince them.
I was not comparing Pac to Mosley in terms of weight class. I brought up Mosley because he destroyed Margarito, much like Pac did.
It was a great performance and all but it was against a plaster-less Margarito. The same one who was also destroyed by Mosley.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
The same one who was also destroyed by Mosley
.
Tells me that you were comparing their punch power.
I replioed by saying that Manny is a naturally smaller man,therefore should not be expected to destroy a big man like Margo the way Mosley did.
Though
i think he could have got the stoppage had he really wanted to go into the trenches.
My point is Manny is not a real welterweight,as his weigh-in weight proves.
Yup.
Manny definitely had him in all sorts in the 10th.
I think he decided not to go after him in the 12th. Maybe respect for the heart and balls shown by his opponent.
He is quoted on Skysports.com as saying the ref should have stopped it, as ‘boxing is not for killing each other’.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12040_6505977,00.html
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
There might have been a moment in the 11th when
one of Teddy Atlas’ silent pacts was made.
Anyway, Manny certainly did not go after M as hard as he could have.
A little humanity by the superior fighter. Hard not to like Manny.
by Don From Prov on Nov 14, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There are those who still regard Mosley as a natural lightweight....
I’m not even disagreeing with you really, just pointing it out.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I think Scott said that one fight he really wishes he'd seen was Mosley/Floyd at 135 when they were both there.
I’ll be honest and say I don’t really think of Mosley as a lightweight myself, but I agree that would have been one hell of a fight.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
PBF was just waiting for Shane to slow a half step, ala what Leonard did to Marvin Hagler, facing him once he felt he was just a bit dulled from time in the ring and age.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 14, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Since he moved to Super Bantamweight 11 years ago
Manny has fought (according to Boxrec:
11 fights at 122lbs
8 fights at 130lbs
4 fights at 147lbs
4 fights at 126lbs
1 fight at 140lbs and
1 fight at 135lbs.
Thank you
Out of 29 fights,23 were in between Super Bantam and Super Feather.And even in his 4 welterweight fights he weighed below the limit (between 142 and 146lbs).
Chemical Ali says:
THIS PROVES NOTHING!!!!!
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
It’s Sunday and i think i deserve credit for going to all that trouble to state the freaking obvious. :)
Your Floyd Mayweather calender is in the post.
There are no pictures, but at the top of each Month-per-View page, there is a big slogan which says:
NO FIGHT THIS MONTH
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I guess manny defies normal conventions with regards to what a natural weight is. Here’s the thing though. Freddie roach has stated that manny will not go below 140 anymore so what does that say about his natural weight class now? Shouldn’t he be able to go back to his natural weight class?
by erod on Nov 14, 2010 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your points seem to be:
1. Manny Pacquaio defies logic.
2. The ‘natural’ weight issue is clouded when it comes to Manny Pacquaio.
I agree totally with both of these.
I said to SC recently that I think Manny’s best weight now is 140, but I’m not amazingly confident in that assertion.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Yeah somewhat my points
I just don’t agree with the perception that a natural weight class is the one where you fought most of your fights at. I do think 140 is his natural weight especially since his trainers won’t let him move back down. If you can’t make your natural weight anymore then it ain’t your natural weight.
by erod on Nov 14, 2010 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not quite
Shouldn’t he be able to go back to his natural weight class?
Dropping weight is rarely a healthy process, regardless of initial weight.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Would Ray Leonard have gone back to Welter after beating Donnie Lalonde at Light heavy?
Obviously not.
Did he fight with the same speed and power as his lower weight level? Probably not so it’s not the same is it?
by erod on Nov 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
But I think Manny could still make lightweight without too much strain if he chose to drain for a couple days before the weigh-in.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And I don't think he'd be disadvantaged at all fighting at 140, if a good fight came up there.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yup
Plus, Margarito was simply not Margarito against Mosley.
If anyone tries to tell me that the Margarito that fought Mosley was anything like as good as the Margarito we saw last night, I’ll ban them for blatant and flagrant stupidity.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I think Ted was probably right what he said all along about Margarito being rattled mentally that night after being found out.
He didn’t look like the same guy who fought Cotto or as last night,as you say.
But then,maybe he was loaded for Cotto.Who knows.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I've always said that it was obvious Margarito was not mentally there against Mosley.
From round 1 he was in la-la land, and didn’t really know what was going on. That’s no slight on Mosley, since he was good that night, but Margarito could have lost to Paulie Malignaggi that night.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Sometimes the other guy just makes you look bad..
Maybe Margarito wasn’t the regular Margarito because Mosley didn’t allow it.
Maybe, just maybe, Mosley looked so good because he met with a demotivated opponent who offered little to no resistance.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'm not even saying I believe this, really, I'm just saying that the two are intrinsically linked.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
lol
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
btw dude
in The Times there is the most comedy picture of Harrison….I need to put up a gif of that in a fanpost or something. He looks scared witless as he backs away from a punch…a perfect footnote to his career…
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
It could be..
I’m not saying you are wrong at all. I think both ideas are equally plausible. I just think we are too quick to say something is wrong with the fighter rather then something is right with his opponent. Mosley didn’t look like himself against Vernon Forrest but sometimes you just meet the guy who has your number.
He really didn't look the same last night either
I’m sure a lot of that was because of Pacquiao’s movement, but I don’t think Margo threw 60 punches in a single round the whole fight. Usually he’s averaging 100 punches in the late rounds. The HBO crew attributed it to him trying to fight smarter, but I think he had trouble pulling the trigger.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It could have been a bit to do with him making weight but i’m sure it was more to do with Manny countering his shots and making him pay when he did get aggressive.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to release when you are getting hit accurately with power
Give Margrito credit. Unlike Clottey, whio felt the power and the pain and covered up (more than usual), he threw plenty of effective punches. It’s just that the opther guy landed hundreds and threw over a thousand.
I know we agree hear….but when since Marquez got up and finished…has anyone looked good against Manny.
his body looks great at welterweight
i doubt he’s a natural featherweight anymore
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously not anymore.I think you missed the point there.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I got your point
Just don’t think it matters too much how much someone weighed in the past. Like some have said, he was probably malnourished early in his career. And being 1" shorter than Cotto, it’s easy to see him as a natural jr. or regular welterweight.
Now my point was his win was not that surprising. Taken from another angle, he was a 5-to-1 favorite. Wladamir was not as heavily favored against Rahman. Likewise, Floyd was not as heavily favored against JMM.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Floyd
also outweighed Marquez by at least two weight divisions whereas Manny was outweighed at least 1 division.No comparison really.
Floyd v Marquez was a foregone conclusion.Last night’s fight was a lot riskier.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t think it matters how much someone weighed in the past?
It does in boxing…….Thats why there are divisions.
Would you call Roy Jones a natural Heavyweight just because he fought successfully at that weight?
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter too much. We all weighed 20lbs at some point right?
No, not Jones, but I would call Haye that.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I meant to put this here instead of further up
126-130lbs is where Manny spent most of his career.
Sugar Ray Leonard fought at many different weight classes but is considered a natural welterweight,which was his lowest weight as it happens.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 14, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not according to the Vegas odds makers.
by Polish Rifle on Nov 14, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cole
You know, Cole deserves a prop. I thought he did a damn good job in there last night. He is capable of that. His issue is lack of consistency.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Good shout.
He wasn’t as good as the ref in th Haye fight, though… Calling them together and flat-out telling them to fight is pretty damn funny.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
another ref did that in a fight a few weeks ago
Can’t remember which, but just 3 words….‘Punch, gentlemen, punch’….after someone screamed out from the crowd, ‘SOMEBODY HIT SOMEBODY!!’
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
haha, yeah
That was Raul Caiz Sr. in the Ortiz-Harris fight on the Mosley-Mora card.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t disagree with that, actually. There are people who think he should have stopped it, but outside of looking messed up, Margarito never exhibited a lack of effort, so I don’t blame him. He was out of the way and did a fine job. Good on him.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nor did Margarito want it stopped. I did. He didn't.
Cole checked what he should. His vision. I couldnt believe he could still see out of that eye. But he could….so he fought.
If you haven’t noticed, I happen to love watching Margarito.
He’s an entertaining fighter. And I pay to be entertained.
I've noticed!
I don’t, really, but then I never have. The only fight of his I really loved was against Cotto, and the Paul Williams fight was pretty good. And I have a soft spot for watching Shane wreck him — not so much because I don’t like Margarito, actually, or because of what happened backstage before the fight, as I just really like Shane Mosley.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'd probably say as much for most elite Mexican warriors.
Their stamina in the face of fire is astonishing
I believe that when one is going to be wrong, one should be
absolutely and inarguably wrong. No need to half-step.
While Margarito did give Manny some moments of true discomfort, it was obvious that he couldn’t come close to stringing those moments together (and he always paid for them anyway). So, moments of discomfort? Yes. A night of—No.
At times, I thought of Dempsey mauling the lumbering Willard. Mostly, I was brought back to childhood and what I always
believed would happen if the Wolfman fought Frankenstein. Anyway, while I love to watch Manny work (and Margo try to work) I am absolutely done paying out the yin-yang for boxing events that I convince myself might be tough.
The only undercard fight worth watching was the Jones fight, and that was worthy of an ESPN co-feature.
One o’clock in the morning, no gym, and I could have watched Manny destruct and destroy next Saturday.
Lesson Learned.
I thought it was a really good fight.
Also, the fight between the two guys on the Haye undercard (which was an eliminator, and went the full twelve) whose names I can’t remember right now, was a really good fight. That might be worth a look, if you need a bit more of a fix.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Enad Licina vs. Felix Cora Jr. I think
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That's the one.
I really enjoyed that fight.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Pronoun reference, Chaos--
Which “it” do you mean? The Jones fight or the main event?
I thought the Jones fight was good, but again it was an ESPN level match, IMO. Nothing great talent-wise.
Rios might have talent but he didn’t have an opponent. Of course, this is all individual taste and choice.
The main event was art much in the way of Van Gogh cutting off his ear: Brutal and hard to turn away from—- :)
I meant the main event.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
In what ways was it a good fight? One might appreciate
1) some scattered competitive moments
2) the pleasure of watching Manny at work
3) or the flat out joy that in seeing Margo destroyed (if that was a fan’s desire)
but the above don’t add up to a good fight. Though I see looking back that you said you “enjoyed” the fight; that’s different.
It was riveting in the way a car crash is, and Manny’s skills + Margarito’s balls added to the carnage.
by Don From Prov on Nov 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Margo was really good last night.
And there are not many welters I’d pick to beat that particular incarnation of him right now. I think had it been Berto in there with him last night, Margarito wins that fight.
The fact that he was outclassed by Manny Pacquaio…. well, let’s put it another way. I like my friend’s Range Rover Sport 4 litre big motherfucker. It is one HELL of a car, and amazing to drive. I don’t think less of it because it can’t beat a Kawasaki Ninja off the lights.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Okay, that's more than fair.
To me, Margo wasn’t really good, he was really ballsy
and looked like a T-Rex stuck in the tar pits and being devoured bit by bit by a raptor.
by Don From Prov on Nov 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
He jabbed, he even doubled up the jab:
he came forward, his defense was a whole lot better than it was against Cotto (he actually held his guard quite high for practically the whole fight, unlike usually when his hands are at his hips), he exerted constant presure, came forward incessantly, took a whole lot and kept on coming forward when he could well have allowed himself to be backed up.
Basically, that was potentially the best performance of Manny Pacquiao’s career, and not many guys in and around that weight class could have kept him honest. Margarito not only kept him honest, he gave him a few moments of real discomfort. And, unlike Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, and a lot of other guys in recent years (the infuriating Clottey aside) Margarito went the distance. Not by going into survival mode, but by staying on the front foot and keeping Manny from having the freedom to tee off with impunity.
All this talk of humanity is great, but do you think for one second that had Margarito gone into survival mode like Mike Jones did, for example, whether it was the 3rd round or the 12th, that Manny would not have pounced on him and finished him off? It was Margarito’s performance, and guts in coming forward continually, throwing that jab and other shots behind it, that kept him on his feet for the distance.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I do hesitate to declare that Manny would have pounced for the kill
sometime in the later rounds. I’ve seen it a few times, like with the Cotto fight, where he simply wasn’t going for blood.
There are all-time great fighters, and there are all-time great finishers. The two categories usually intersect at the top, but not always. I don’t think Pacquiao is a legendary finisher, simply because he’s too nice of a guy. But he’s still a legendary fighter.
Guys like Chuck Liddell are legendary finishers. You let a drop of blood hit the air and it’s lights out in short order. Tyson was a legendary finisher.
Still, I agree with everything else you’ve said. And it’s not that I flat-out disagree about Manny’s finishing instinct, but I do think there’s plenty of room for ‘reasonable doubt.’
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Rios looked a tad chunky last night
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I woke up at rd 3 or 4 of the Jones fight....
I’ve not had chance to rewatch it yet, is it worth watching?
Ahh, yes,I remember the lads on sky talking about that.
Ooooh! ….. I’ll watch it later, few beers etc.
Score it for me?
I’d be interested to see your card.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Will do...
But, I’ll be honest, I never usually score fights, i just lose the plot when things get heated!
you've still not got the hang of that hey :)
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
I don't shout. I just type in a way that makes my keyboard wish I waas wearing gloves.... :P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Look at it this way,
If you had an old fashioned type writer, your full stops would be putting holes in the page at the end of each post!!! ;-)
lol
Not quite. :)
It pains me to get on your case about it to be honest, since I think you’re an excellent poster, but it does bug me when some disjointed comment is at the bottom of a thread for no apparent reason and I have no idea where it was supposed to go.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'm my own worst enemy!
I just dive in to a conversation, half arsed and click ‘post’ before checking.
I’m afraid I aint the quickest of cats, but I’m getting there! :-)
Margarito got his ass kicked
And thoroughly, too.
I don’t get it? This guy (Antonio) and his trainer said they had a fight plan, cutting off the ring, they were gonna bully the smaller Pac, and that there were “holes in Manny’s game” that they were going to exploit.
Note to Garcia and Margarito: What were they? What did you do about it?
I know they’re going to talk about Antonio’s cuts and eyes, but damn! That stuff always happens when you are fighting a guy that throws punches in bunches.
Seriously, what was the real plan?
I heard Antonio suffered a fractured orbital bone and has stayed overnight at the hospital, any truth to that development? I hope Antonio takes his time to fight again, that was a beating.
In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)
by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions
Margarito actually did have a new gameplan against Manny, and for the most part, it worked!
He well-and-truly cut off the ring, and made Pacquiao fight backing up for at least 80% of the fight. He kept the pressure, cornered Manny a few times and unloaded some wicked body shots.
I think his team assumed that if they did those things, Manny would wilt. If Manny felt Margo’s power on the ropes, and Margo kept the pressure up, that Manny would be forced out of his element in some way that decreased his overall effectiveness significantly.
That’s what’s so amazing about the fight. Manny didn’t wilt. In fact, he didn’t even seem to notice that Margarito’s gameplan was working. He kept doing his thing without pause, and tore piece after piece off of Margarito.
Margarito implemented a winning gameplan for 12 rounds, and barely won one round on the cards.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Uppercuts, body shots, and bullying him to the ropes
I saw 2 great uppercuts, a few clean body shots- one straight through Manny’s guard that hit money on the sternum. Other than that. . . . .????. . . . . .(((((((crickets)))))))!!!!!!!!!
Where was the stuff that Garcia was going to exploit? Now, this last question is practically rhetorical. Ring generalship is what Manny has in SPADES, yo! Robert Garcia was talking like he was Teddy Atlas or Emanuel Steward before the fight- like there was something there in Manny’s defense that no one previously knew about before.
I had placed money on Manny a long time ago. I used to be in Margo’s corner, back in the good old days when he wasn’t putting plaster of paris in his wraps. I despise a cheater like him now, and although I believe Antonio deserves a 2nd chance. . . . . .I think he should have fought more than 1 or 2 more fighters before putting him in a masterclass match with Manny. Is all.
My wording/questions for the Margarito camp, are more or less filled with sarcasm and dismissiveness for Garcia and Margarito.
In case you ever asked this offseason, could it get any worse?. . .In short, the answer is yes. (Joey Kaufman- Conquest Chronicles)
by BixBeiderbecke on Nov 14, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats to Pacquiao
I stayed true to my promise to boycott the fight. I just refused to give Margarito a free pass. I’m wondering if the “controversy” involving his drink before the fight will pan out to be anything at all. I’m glad he got his ass whipped and I’m glad they didn’t stop the fight because he deserved all 12 rounds of it.
To Pacquiao, he is definitely the fighter of the decade. He is the most accomplished fighter of this era. It’s always a challenge to take on a guy bigger then you. When RJJ took on Ruiz I still gave him props even though he cherry picked the slowest heavyweight he could. A soft puncher per a heavyweight standard is still probably a harder puncher then the best guy at a lower weight. I see no difference here. Margarito is slow and has no defense other then being very good at blocking with his face of stone. He packs a punch, but as slow as he is, he was the perfect guy to play the Goliath to Pacman’s David. I’m not saying this to pick at Pacquiao’s accomplishment, I just want everybody to keep things in perspective especially when you using this performance as a litmus test as to how he will do against other guys who are faster and more skilled the Margarito. Again, always a big accomplishment to take on a guy bigger then you. Just my 2 cents….
good points...
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
Margarito is slow and has no defense other then being very good at blocking with his face of stone.
Maybe THIS was the gameplan Robert Garcia was talking about: “Break Manny’s hands with your face, Toni, and the fight is yours….”
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Pacquiao, Pacquiao, Pacquiao
I don’t see how anyone can rank Pacquiao outside the top-15 fighters ever at this point. Wouldn’t be fair to him and what he’s done.
To be clear, Freddie’s advice to Manny to let up in that last round, was it one of mercy or of caution? It had to have been mercy, right? Pac was in complete control.
QUOTE FROM USA TODAY ONLINE
“Manny Pacquiao proved beyond a doubt ….that size doesn’t matter as much as speed and quickness”. I’ve been telling my wife that for 30 yrs.Props to Manny…he is a once in a lifetime hero.
by FrankinDallas on Nov 14, 2010 12:35 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
ahahaha
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)
You're right.
A “Nikolai Valuev Scented Candle” is on its way….
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Lord,
kind of an anti-prize. Sure to keep the competition to a minimum.
Grendal!!!
Bless you!
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Manny broke his face
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=5805223
Not surprised.
by Guillermo Ponce on Nov 14, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions
Yikes!
The thing should have been stopped.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 14, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Teddy
sounds like a Floyd cheerleader in that clip.This is the guy who was the only one to pick Margo over Pac and also Hatton over Mayweather.My advice would be;don’t follow Teddy’s tips! :)
I tend to agree that Manny should take the tests but i also understand his stance in that he is complying with testing regulations and he doesn’t want to be dictated to,especially by someone like Floyd.
Teddy was talking there as if he might agree with Floyd’s suspicions which is pretty slanderous towards Pac’s character,imo.
Don From Prov – you don’t often see a Beowulf reference on a boxing forum. Nicely played. Margarito was so ugly by the end of that fight he could have been mistaken for Chris Arreola.
I thought he meant Valuev....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Glad this mess is finally behind us. There’s been some terrible matchups over the past two months, but this fight was the big slap in the face. I hope Bob Arum has made enough money, now, but that’s like saying “I hope it’s cold enough in Hell.”
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Did you watch the fight, or were you one of the boycotters?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
As much fun as it might’ve been to watch Anphonyo get put through all the blender settings (grind, chop, frappé, etc), there was no way I was going to pay a single penny for it. If I am in the mood for a laugh some time, I might watch the highlights.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
*runs off to check what 'Anphonyo' means.....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Oh my God I'm dense.
Wait while I get my crossbow and shoot myself in the face.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
You didn't know Paul Williams posted on here, did you? :P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'm the only man on this forum who can touch his own elbow with his thumb... :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Swore I Wouldn't
put a dime in Margarito’s pocket, and didn’t. Too my real amazement was invited to a free showing of the HBO broadcast by neighbors Saturday morning, would have had a chilling effect on neighborliness to say no, so I went. Glad I did, great fight, great fighter—but I’d have skipped it if I’d had to pay.
If love would die along with death, this life wouldn't be so hard--Andrew Vachss
Mayweather will NEVER agree to fight pacman after how he dismantled margarito last night ( a guy mayweather turned down 8 million dollars guaranteed to fight).
mayweather will try to put it off on pacman for not fighting, but mayweather will not fight him to protect his zero losses. shane looking a half step slower wobbled mayweather….pacman is just too explosive, he would finish Floyd. Period.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 14, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions
hahaha
Margarito, a guy with no defense, get sliced apart by Pacquiao’s punches, and everyone all of a sudden thinks Pac-Man would slaughter Floyd.
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
by everynightshouldbefightnight on Nov 14, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Posts grow in validity
With every ha that you add.
And that’s a fact.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Reminded me of the Count in Sesame Street.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
by Chaos100 on Nov 15, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where does Pacquiao go now?
I assume its Mosley, since the Mayweather fight is a no-go.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
I seriously hope not.
Someone stick a fork in Mosley, he’s done.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
For the record, I deleted the last thing. Let’s revel in boxing. We’ll have time next summer to get cantankerous when the schedule sucks. :)
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I genuinely didn't know what was being referred to.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
You (Chaos),or someone at that end was moving my comment from the reply post to the bottom of the page.
Thats what seemed to be happening from this end.
I may be wrong but stuff like that always seem to happen when you are around.
I don't actually have the ability to do that.
But thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
My apologies if not but it was just that i was on your BLH Quiz page the other day and it took me 3 go’s to post what should have been one time.
The post kept freezing and wouldn’t post.
It has never happened before,then today my posts have been going funny again.
You were one of the only people posting both times and you are a moderator and writer for the site so that was the assumption i came to.
Like i said,my apologies and no oofence meant if i am wrong.,especially since i have enjoyed the debate with you today.
No, that can’t be done by any of us. We can’t do anything like that. If you keep getting something like that, go here and report a bug. That’ll go to the tech guys for SBN and they’ll get on it. Sometimes shit just freezes and hangs up like that, though. Might be something minor they already know about.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
No offense taken.
If you’re having issues I hope they are resolved soon.
If you have any questions or anythign like that again, please feel free to email me, my email address is in my profile. Better that way than making that kind of thing public. Anyhow, all sorted now. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'd love Manny to fight May' next.
That’s one fight I’d drag my arse over the pond (again) to see.
Plus I can’t see him (Manny) being around too long now with his political engagements.
I'd be next to you on the plane pal.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Vegas here we come!!
Or (spoken without a breather,at an unbelievably fast pace) anyotherequallyaccessibleAmericanmegacitywithalargecapacitystadiumfortermsseeendofbottle.
by Phill on Nov 14, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Realistically who is left for Manny? Mayweather or the winner of Williams v Martinez. That’s about it. Mosely’s shot. Marquez can’t compete above 135 and is getting too old. No one at 140 could last 6 rounds with Pac.
how can you say that
based on this fight?
Margarito was a middle weight, extremely powerful but slow as hell!
I can’t see Pac-man hitting Bradley, Alexander, Mayweather, or even Mosley (who knows how to tie up) that easily, not by a long mile
by everynightshouldbefightnight on Nov 14, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Bradley wings wide punches on his way in – he’d get hit. I’d still like to see it.
Mosley? He’s no defensive wizard and he’s not that fast anymore. It’s hard to tie someone up when his feet are all over the place and despite being short he’s dominant from the outside. Is Mosley gonna use that great jab he has?
Floyd ain’t fighting.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Not Mayweather, but he’d dominate the others IMO. Alexander had a lot of trouble with Andriy Kotelnik, and as much as I like Tim Bradley (and would like to see the fight), he’s never been in with anyone remotely close to Manny’s level. Shane just doesn’t have it left in him, and has always struggled with truly well-rounded fighters, the only one he’s beaten being Oscar, and both those fights were super close. Shane from earlier in his career would’ve been a great fight with this version of Manny, though. Truly explosive.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
The explosive SSM was sight to behold.
Like Manny, he loved to fight. Still does.
He beat Oscar because he fought every minute of every round.
Just like Manny.
Mayweather
is not Margarito. I think Pacquiao will still lose to him when they fight next year.
by everynightshouldbefightnight on Nov 14, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions
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