Early Estimates Have Pacquiao-Margarito at 1.4 Million PPV Buys
by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 4:10 AM EST
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Keep in mind these are simply early estimates, and a more final number will come in soon, but Carlos A. Nava of the Dallas Morning News reports that the talk is good for pay-per-view buys for Saturday's fight between Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito. If projections hold -- or are credible -- then the word is the fight could do around 1.4 million buys in the United States, which would be double what Pacquiao did in March against Joshua Clottey.
1.4 million was also the accepted number for May's big fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley. Until now, Mayweather has generally outperformed Pacquiao on pay-per-view, both against common opponents, and in fights that came around the same time period. Mayweather doubled Pacquiao earlier this year, but in the final third of 2009, Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto did 1.2 million compared to the Mayweather-Marquez fight, which did one million. In December 2008, Pacquiao's fight with Oscar de la Hoya, the former undisputed king of PPV, did 1.25 million. When Mayweather fought Oscar in 2007, they set an all-time record with 2.44 million sold. Mayweather also did better numbers against Ricky Hatton than did Pacquiao.
Also if the numbers hold, it may actually be a setback to the already-limited possibility of making a Pacquiao-Mayweather/Mayweather-Pacquiao fight in 2011. Money has been an issue among any number of things, and if Pacquiao equaled Mayweather's biggest non-Oscar PPV with this one, there's not a single solitary shot in hell that Pacquiao and Top Rank will settle for anything less than 50-50. The fight's already a longshot, and if Mayweather chooses to be the slightest bit greedy, you could count it out for sure now.
The other piece of good news is that fans saw an entertaining main event fight this time, as well as a more enjoyable undercard than usual, save for the stinker performance from ultra-talented, ultra-safe super bantamweight Guillermo Rigondeaux against Ricardo Cordoba. The Mike Jones-Jesus Soto Karass scrap was pretty good, and the opener between Brandon Rios and Omri Lowther had as much action as you could hope for two guys who came in on short notice.
The numbers could be a bit below this, or right around this area, or even possibly well below this. You know how these things go sometimes if you've paid attention to figures over the years, which mostly come out only if everyone is super happy, and sometimes Bob Arum can be tough to please (see: Hatton-Pacquiao). If there's an official HBO release, you'll know the champagne is flowing at Top Rank's offices.
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if Pacquiao equaled Mayweather’s biggest non-Oscar PPV with this one, there’s not a single solitary shot in hell that Pacquiao and Top Rank will settle for anything less than 50-50.
Was thinking the same thing while reading this and was waiting for this line.
I can’t believe they (Pacman and Money) haven’t agreed to a deal yet. Just get it over with. Money has spent the last 2 years dodging Pacman. It’s time for it to happen.
The Once and Future King
Except when he wasn't dodging...
..and Pacquiao was the one who didn’t want to give a little blood…just sayin’.
They both have been bullshitting for the last two years with regards to making the fight happen.
didn't want to give a little blood?
True.
Pacquiao only agreed to 7 weeks of random blood testing and unlimited (8 weeks of) random urine testing along with a post fight urine and blood test.
He’s obviously hiding something.
yeah...
and I’m hiding the lockness monster in my bathtub.
why do you guys want pac to be dirty? don’t you realize how that’ll hurt boxing? You love that ass mayweather enough to hurt boxing? Or have you forgotten that other than boxing, that guy has no redeeming qualities thus no reason for you to be his fan? talk about forgetting what should come first…
So sick and tired of this…
Let’s just enjoy the fight should it come. If not, it’s boxing’s great loss.
Nobody wants Pac to be dirty.
But you are essentially saying that if he was dirty, we should ignore it for the sake of the sport. NO.
Mayweather has no redeeming qualities except for the whole giving back to community bit. I guess that’s not good enough for you though.
Let’s just enjoy the fight should it come. If not, it’s boxing’s great loss.
^ The best thing you said in your comment.
I was not saying that.
I meant that people should not voice false(unproven) assumptions so easily because it can damage the reputation of a great fighter and the sport. Should he be proven guilty of anything disgraceful, I will be one of the first ones to crucify him for it.
Giving back to the community? Isn’t that just basic PR and with how he treats people(all the recent and past issues), I highly doubt it’s sincere. Also if that’s another one of your criteria to idolize a boxer, you should be idolizing Pac. I doubt there’s another boxer who gives back to his community more than Pac, sincerely at that. People literally knock on his door to ask for help and he gives it to them, even before he was regarded a superstar. At one point, Roach was concerned that Pac might give it(his riches) all away one day.
Giving back to the community? Isn’t that just basic PR and with how he treats people(all the recent and past issues), I highly doubt it’s sincere. Also if that’s another one of your criteria to idolize a boxer, you should be idolizing Pac. I doubt there’s another boxer who gives back to his community more than Pac, sincerely at that. People literally knock on his door to ask for help and he gives it to them, even before he was regarded a superstar. At one point, Roach was concerned that Pac might give it(his riches) all away one day.
It would be PR if he actually spent time tooting his own horn about what he does and making a spectacle about it. He rarely if ever does that. Did you even know he give back constantly to the community? Probably not because he doesn’t throw it out there. They showed it one time on 24/7, but other then that he never makes a big shit about it. His current issues are up in the air at this point. He has a day in court and a judge/jury will decide if he’s guilty or not. I’m not going to judge on accusations alone.
I think it’s great that Pac gives back to the community and he’s a Congressman and all that. Good for him. I hope he helps a lot of people. I’ve never said Pacquaio was a bad person. But, I don’t idolize boxers. I don’t need role models, and if I did, the athletic department would be the last place I’d look for one. I’m not trying to get in some pissing contest about which fighter is morally superior.
LOL
If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.
GO Armageddon!!!
Blah
I let myself get caught up in the Mayweather crap again…sorry
Anyway…great PPV numbers for Manny…just wish it wasn’t against Margarito cause he benefits too.
It’s amazing how everyone has short memory. How is it that a fighter can be caught red handed cheating in boxing (literally), ban for a year and come back and NOT have to fight his way back up into the ranks and gain respect BACK from the boxing community?While instead, his first fight back is a championship fight. I’ll tell you how BOB ARUM. This fight was BS from the start . With Arum being the promoter of both fighters, as long as they both showed up this fight was bound to do numbers from a BUSINESS stand point no matter the outcome. We have to keep in mind that Pacman and MEXICAN fighters have a huge following and as much as we all knew that Margarito was going to lose this was a nothing more than a UNITS game. The early estimates may be right…. But for the wrong reason. This fight had nothing to do with competition.Let’s be serious here!
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
…who are you arguing with? I mean, you’re right, but I don’t know who you’re addressing here when you say “everyone has short memory.”
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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
While instead, his first fight back is a championship fight.
Could you please tell me which title he fought Roberto Garcia for, since it has slipped my mind.
Thanks.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
WBC International Junior Middleweight Title
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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, I really just couldn't resist
EVERY fight has a belt in it now, you know that. :)
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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck you. lol
The link I meant to include:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAb6nkvYgOk
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Interesting numbers here. What does Mayweather do next? A fight with Alexander/Bradley winner or Andre Berto? I have to think neither of those bouts do close to this, and I’ve come to the opinion it’s going to take a severely bruised ego for Floyd to ever step in the ring with Pac.
"Tim Sylvia’s sphincter is demonstrably weaker than Andrei Arlovski’s chin." – hlebtasic
What does Mayweather do next?
It’s very hard to say; he may just sit around for another year, retire again, or even serve a little time. The final option there is, of course, extremely unlikely, but the two before it are far from inconcievable.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
What does Mayweather do next?
Court. Which will probably be dragged out a while. Mayweather’s not fighting any time soon. Roger’s got some court dates too.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Mayweather decided to fight anyway
He wouldn’t be the first boxer to fight even though he has a pending trial. Hell, now would be the perfect time to get into gear. He’ll have more notoriety from the news (actually being a bad guy instead of just playing one on TV), and if he doesn’t do something soon, he might never earn another dime on boxing again. He’s facing 34 years. Even if that’s ludicrous, if he gets convicted, he’s pretty likely to serve a few years, by which time his prime fighting days will be over.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Plus, the excuse that he needs Roger in his corner to fight doesn’t work—right now he’s still got Roger, who is still this minute training fighters and going to fights in their corners, I’ve seen him, and he may not have him later. Waiting is the anti-solution on that one.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
34 years??
What did he do? Found Al Qaeda?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
He probably won’t do more than 6 mo., if that.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Not if he gets convicted of a felony
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But that's beside the point
I don’t understand WHY this should be off the table while Mayweather is having legal problems. Braxton and Scott fought a title eliminator IN PRISON for Christ’s sake! Monzon had a fight where he was on parole and the other guy was out on bail for a murder trial. This is BOXING and Mayweather is a HEEL. I don’t see how having legal problems would hurt marketing. The only thing Mayweather couldn’t do is go on a press tour, and even as such I’m sure he’d be granted permission to do so. He lives in Vegas, he trains in Vegas and the fight would be in Vegas. It will be a year before any of this stuff is sorted out, and there’s a not insubstantial possibility that he won’t be able to fight at all once it IS sorted out. Why waste a year of time just because of this?
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I ask again: What did he do?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
the logic expressed by Arum is that they can't take a chance that an expensive and extensive promotion be derailed by unexpected court scheduling
Makes sense.
Promotions cost a lot.
Mot promoting this optimally would be foolish.
Next year
Mayweather will be back next year. Taxes my friends, Taxes. When you make over 65 millions dollars for two fights Uncle Sam want some of that money.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
by Haans Bishop on Nov 16, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, especially when you have a silly fun habit of not paying taxes.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I dont see Pac/May before the fall... if ever.
Floyd needs another tune up before he meets Manny….given his current “time off” to spend with his family.
Family time with the Mayweathers.
Women beware.
Hide the kids.
Arum is warming up to Manny fighting the winner of the Bradley/Alexander
But it needs more time.
The money has to be bigger.
By the time Manny's next fight is announced
We’ll know how well that fight did. It’s not like there are a million other great options. Roach and Pac may feel that Martinez or Williams is just too big, and that’s understandable. Then it just leaves you with Marquez. I’m fine with a Marquez fight, but at 140 or higher, a fight against the Bradley-Alexander winner would probably be more competitive.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I know that the standard logic is that all big money fights always good for Boxing, but in this case I’m not so sure.
On the other hand, it’s nice to hear people calling for Manny to fight for the Middleweight lineal title, now(!). It’s as if Henry Armstrong has risen from the grave.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
You're right
If we look solely at the two win, and concern ourselves only with the two men in the ring, and nothing out of it, then this win is incredible in many ways. Then, we can look at the numbers and say that they were great, and a sign of very positive things for boxing.
Then, when we start to look at the whole shedload of shit surrounding why this fight was made, things can actually look rather grim.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
There is nothing grim here to concern ourselves with...
The news is fantastic.
Manny was on 60 minutes. He is the cover of American Airlines Magazine and in the Wall Street Journal. He is the face of Boxing today.
Type his name in Google. He has now drawn 91,000,000 hits.
Up from about 5,000,000 a week ago
That’s 91 to Floyd’s 3.
We should be celebrating. If Boxing has any chance today of being revitalized in the mainstream, Manny is it’s best chance.
People are paying….Attention.
Type his name in Google. He has now drawn 91,000,000 hits.
Up from about 5,000,000 a week ago
That’s 91 to Floyd’s 3.
Well he did just fight. I mean that’s not the best measuring stick.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 15, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Scott, I have tracked him for two years
He has never been above 10 million.
Usually closer to five.
He mainstream. And boxing’s best hope in getting there.
Statistics do matter
SF Giants win World Series.
54 million hits
Dallas Cowboys win. Finally
34 million hits.
Manny is a sensation.
Outside as well as inside.
Believe me, I’m aware of Pacquiao’s internet sensation status. I run a boxing web site. There is nobody that comes close to the traffic he drives, most of which comes from Filipino sites.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I figured as much.
I’m just so impressed…and excited….at how he has people who could care less asking me about the fight this past weekend.
Manny’s a different animal to any other boxer in the sport. Mayweather news drives traffic fairly well, and so do his fights. Manny is enormous. It’s crazy. There are people all over the world now who don’t care about sports, let alone the whole of boxing, who want to know about Manny Pacquiao.
And if anyone’s interested about who might be #3 in terms of driving traffic in my experience, there is no #3. No one’s even close. Mosley, Marquez, Haye, Wlad Klitschko, Cotto all around the same level, as best I can tell.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
That's cool of you to list the traffic rankings like that, Scott.
Good on you. Internet authorship at its finest.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
#3
Still Tyson??
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Only if he’s gonna be on Oprah.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Oprah. Yeah. Err....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
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