Did Margarito gain any redemption on November 13?

The behavior re Parkinson’s, plus the head-gaming with “substances” right before the fight, challenging PM’s wraps, etc., effectively cancelled any good he might have done himself. Just staying in there till the end is what fighters try to do.

BAMF just because he wanted to continue with a broken orbital bone.
More and more I think this is sending out a very wrong message. Yeah, it is kind of cool that he decided to continue but on the flip side when you hear about the long-term effects of damage sustained during a professional fight you have to wonder what kind of damage that a fighter has to suffer in order for the referee, ringside physician or corner man need to see for them to stop a fight.

• Arthur Abraham was allowed to continue to fight with a broken jaw. Yeah, he won the fight but I’ll never forget that image.
• Despite taking a prolonged one-sided beating Shannon Briggs was allowed to continue fighting against Klitschko.
• Miguel Cotto’s fight against Pacquiao was finally stopped at the last round because it was beyond pitiful. And I thought the stoppage was stupid. Really the very last round when they could have stopped it earlier?

So again, my question is how much damage warrants a stoppage from either aforementioned persons?

After making fun of Roach, and then coming up with lame excuses instead of accepting responsibility. Too similar to what happened with the hand wraps.

Can one redeem stupid?

Probably not but can

stupid be redeemed?

Are you feeling me on this, Ted?

Yes. Holy shite, I am feeling everyone. lol

His chin wasn’t in question, his hands were. He would’ve got redemption if he were to beat Pacquaio the way he did Cotto. Then his story of not having plaster on his hands vs Cotto would look more believable. But since he got demolished and Pacquaio’s face was no where close to looking the way Cotto’s face was, I think this fight actually made Margarito look even worse in my eyes.

Too many sanctimonious voices on here.

Who is to say? I think there are too many sanctimonious voices in boxing period. The expectation level around behavior may well have been set too high.

I’d call it a degree of redemption*…when Cotto knocks him out, he’ll be fully redeemed:)

*if there was ephedra in his urine, obviously, all redemption is gone.

his brains are still unscrambled.

Say more about the ephedra in his urine,, El, please

goo,

But I suspect that for most, he confirmed without a doubt that he is a BMF.

He is a warrior. He come to fight and he stayed to fight. He could easily have said “three” when Laurence Cole held up five fingers. Most others would have.
It is an inglorious but totally legit out. Anyone watching would have understood.

Blinded after four rounds, stunned by bullets ricocheting off his body and head, few men but Joe Frazier (and a bunch of other Mexicans) would have walked off their chair foir another round.

The guy thoought he could win. He knew he could hurt Manny…if. And he tried.

I’m a fight fan. Tony is all about fight.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Nice post Ted

bad thing.

In fact, I think it was probably stupid for him to go to the end of the fight. Now he can make fun of himself when he ends up with Parkinsons or dementia pugilistica because of the needless prolonged beating he took in this fight.

Allright, time for me to take my JackDog to the evt for a test. I’ll be back.

Did AM ever admit to an transgression? If not, where’s the redemption?

To be redeemed, it seems to me you should have done something less than good if not downright bad or evil. Some say a loss is something from which redemption can be derived. Not so sureabout that. In Theology, it’s deliverance from sin. But atonement for guilt works for me. The isuue, then, is did any guilt exist. Answer, yes, because the California Commission found him guitly even if he never reall came out and said he knew his wrpas were tainted. Guilt is guilt. So I am comforatble with using redemption, but you raise a age point.

sanctamonious for me. The fact he was allowed to fight, albeit in the thirrd wolrd country of Texas, valiates the fact that he has done his time—. Whether that time was enougn is another issue. HBO furRthervalidated it by showing it as well as 24/7. Manny validated it by fighting him.

Boxing is aslimy business with a foul underbelly and the stench of corruption. This simply came out of that culture.

Gotta run my mutt and then hit the hay. Cheers, Ted.

No, he doesn’t get redemption, if it would be for the plaster of paris episode. He needs a priest for that issue.
What he got for Saturday night was about $8 million and a beating, because he is a boxer.

Personally, I don’t see the macho-ness of taking a terrible beating, fracturing eye sockets etc. to be measured as a man. Had his corner stopped the fight around the 10th, which is what they should have done, Margo would still be
considered a bad mo fo. So the extra beating was wrong, and what’s worse, was meaningless.

Now Oddly Harrison is a different story. Dude quit before he got in the ring. A little macho-ness goes a long way, too much mach-ness goes too far away.

I’ve posted myself out. Time to eat and return later.

. . . .to everyone involved. So, in Margarito’s case- the entire boxing industry, fellow boxers, and fans. Sorry, but because he’s a public persona making money off the hard-earned work/money (tickets, PPV’s, etc) of Joe Public- he has to show or possess some degree of humbleness and shame for being involved with Capetillo’s hand wraps. Thus far he hasn’t.

Consequently, he cannot possibly entertain ideas of redemption in the ring. His redemption he’ll find by looking inward, becoming repentant, and asking forgiveness from his fans, fellow boxers, and those involved in the boxing industry. Contrition is a hard fought battle with the soul. Until he arrives at this conclusion, the entire boxing community must wait in vain.

She contends that Margo should be due any redemptive value whatsoever. She does know her boxing BTW.

"I gave it all I had, but unfortunately I was not able to get the victory over the best fighter in the world today. As I said before the fight I was never going to quit and tried to win this fight to the very last minute."

And he is forgiven. And then given the largest PPV ever (at that time) to fight and get beat by Lennox Lewis. Plus endless hero worship.

His name is associated with boxing’s last truly golden moment. His absence mourned by many. His glory ever lasting.

In the ring, we celebrate thugs; literally muggers of old ladies, thieves, rapists, wife beaters. We RIP cry when we mention Diego Corrales.
We treat Floyd’s date in court as an inconvenience.

So enough already with this double standard. Margarito got caught with exactly what we will never know. He served time. And he’s returned.

And yes, he’s paid with the only thinbg that matters in Boxing. His blood.
Maybe that’s not redemption but to me it is restitution. The man has many defects….most of which are compensated for in the ring.

If anything, post-plastergate Margo’s BAMF’er street-cred has diminished. He let a former Flyweight beat seven shades of shit out of him. He was spotted 17 lbs and CARRIED for the last two rounds! No Mexican fighter wants to be carried – they’d sooner be carried out!. Margarito will have a hard time living with this – something to ponder as he counts his millions.

I watched the fight with a pub full of Filipinos – everyone called for Manny to finish him but Pacman showed mercy. Would Margarito have done the same? Snowball’s chance in hell he would. Yeah, he took his beating like a man – it’s a man’s sport – club-fighters and journeymen do it all the time for less glory and a FAR less pay. No redemption necessary for these blokes.

Margarito’s always been able to take punishment – but redemption? Pass me that puke bucket mate! :)

something to ponder as he counts his millions.

And perhaps smiles and then gives ahsit-eating grin to his crtics.

Pass me that puke bucket mate! :)

Some good comments on here.

Look, I’m no biblical scholar, but I’m pretty sure redemption doesn’t arrive hand-in-hand with multi-million dollar windfalls. I also can’t see what is being redeemed, exactly, since Tony’s sin had nothing to do with folding under pressure. In fact, he always embodied the opposite: “takes a licking and keeps on ticking.” If redemption was as simple as Margarito getting beat up for giant stacks of money, we wouldn’t even be talking about it because Shane already savaged him almost two years ago. He didn’t quit in that fight either – the plug was pulled without a count.

If it’s redemption Margarito wants, the answer is simple: donate his entire winnings from this fight to Gerry Cooney’s F.I.S.T foundation, or use it to start his own pension organization for fair-playing fighters who the game has chewed up and spit out.

Cooney’s F.I.S.T foundation

How about the Retired Boxers Foundation instead? Or to the Ted The Bull’s multi-dividend fund for a better retirement in Monaco

I think the redemption tracks to the ban in the other states. That was the wrong doing ad that’s what made Margo an eveil doer. So to speak.

has me on the ropes and on “Queer” street.

Christ, the posts are coming in too fast and I have to go to my Chinese speaking lessons while I eat some steamed vegetables with rice and Chinese catsup and tea.

I get a tad queasy. Wow, what a diffrence 6 months can make. This doofas had the world by a string last year and now he is imploding. Entitlement is abitch!!

Looking at Michael Vick’s incredible numbers last night, I wonder what the implications are vis a vis redemption. Just saying…..

Roach answered them today. In suggesting Manny take six months to rest and heal he sais and I quote:

“He needs a nice long rest. That was a hard physical fight [with Margarito]. I mean, he’s bruised everywhere. He’s been hit everywhere."

Sound familiar?
Margarito is a beast. What he did to Cotto has nothing to do with what we think. What we know howver is that he is a punishing BAMF.
No matter who he fights.

punishing BAMF.

The wraps and the loss to SSM opened him us to real and righteous comdemnation. It also unleashes endless conjecture and speculation….to say nothing of the countless conspiracies.

I know what Freddie roach and others think and thought. And today, we know what they know. That even in terrible defeat, Margarito is a beast capable of inflicting clean, legit and cumulative damage that few could withstand.

Manny was more than Margarito and Garcia could have ever imagined,
But so was Tony. The man is a Beast. No matter how or who wraps his hands.

A 165 lb super middle v a 148 lb super welter (just)

He hurts Manny and I’m supposed to be impressed? That’s bad ass? Go fight Pirog or Golovkin or a snarling Kirkland before getting another title shot . That’d be fun.

What does ’2 recs" signify?
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Jack Dog’s a movie star Ted . What a flash little Harry he is . You’re a hard man Goaty , “Yeah, he took his beating like a man – it’s a man’s sport – club-fighters and journeymen do it all the time for less glory and a FAR less pay. No redemption necessary for these blokes.” Great quote .But 2 great posts by Pakin" I do think we have glorified and celebrated far worse men than Margarito.
Both inside their respective arenas …and out." . " In the ring, we celebrate thugs; literally muggers of old ladies, thieves, rapists, wife beaters " In the end thats pretty much my view . If I wanted to judge someone I’d watch a talent show or a political program . On a negative note I just looked at the Ring mags ratings between 140 and 154 and realised that Manny and Floyd havent exactly cleaned house . Mosely is the only top ten welter Floyd has beaten , while Manny has only beaten Cotto and Clottey . If one remembers the fact that Cotto BEAT Mosely , Pac gets the nod there . Of the 154 pound Top Ten Manny has beaten one , Cotto , while Floyd has beaten NONE . At 140 pounds NEITHER has beaten anyone in the top ten while at 130 Manny has fought Marquez twice and Floyd fought him at welterweight which is ridiculous . Compare this to the resumes of Leonard , Duran and Hearns . Not so flash . Cheers Fellas .

scum fuck

return. Chisora wacks his girl friend and he is good old “Del Boy.” What’s wrong with this snapshot?

a scumsucking so and so rat bastard , etc ,etc. The man was troubled by a combination of things including substance abuse, paranoia, no guidance, possible brain damage, and a lot of other things. Compartmentalization is required when looking at him (and at Margorito to a far lesser degree).