Shane Mosley "90% Sure" He's Fighting Manny Pacquiao
by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 6:22 AM EST
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Though it's far from saying anything is set in stone, Sugar Shane Mosley is supremely confident that he's going to be fighting Manny Pacquiao next. On his Twitter account, Mosley posted the following:
alright tweet buddies, I am going to get me some rest. Talk with Ya'll later. But get ready for Sugar and Pac it's going down!!!!!!
After being questioned as to whether or not Bob Arum would agree with his statement, Mosley posted this:
I just left his office yesterday 90% sure Its going down trust
It's looking more and more like Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 KO) and Mosley (46-6-1, 39 KO) will be facing off in 2011. It's just an awful fight, to be frank. I suspect if they do it, Top Rank will focus on Mosley's Hall of Fame-bound status and the fact that he's a great guy, because there's not much good to say about what happened in the ring with him this year. He hurt Floyd Mayweather Jr. in round two of their May fight, then lost the next ten rounds while being increasingly worn out and discouraged. In September, he came back and had a flat-out awful "fight" with Sergio Mora, which wound up being ruled a draw. Pacquiao has dominated Joshua Clottey and Antonio Margarito this year.
The reason this will happen, if it does, is that Mosley is still one of the biggest stars in American boxing. But don't expect Pacquiao to be immune from criticism, and very legitimate criticism at that. If the idea is to dispel those rumors that Manny doesn't fight slick black Americans, Mosley is not the answer. He's not slick by any stretch of the imagination anymore. As he has aged, he's become a brawler. And he turned 39 in September, and fought his age twice this year. Fighters tend to get old pretty fast, and the process doesn't reverse itself very often.
In 2009, this would have been a great fight. In 2011, it's a rotten fight, and there is absolutely no getting around it. Sugar Shane is just not the same fighter he once was, and Manny proves nothing with a fight that basically amounts to mop-up duty on a great fighter's faded career.
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If the idea is to dispel those rumors that Manny doesn’t fight slick black Americans, Mosley is not the answer.
Do they even have to try and answer these lame “rumors”? (I’m not directing this to you of course) but anyone who believes that Manny has been trying to avoid African-Americans, I feel, is kinda stupid…. they already got Brickhaus to bite, and didn’t he already disprove that months ago?
Do they even have to try and answer these lame "rumors"?
Apparently, they feel they do.
they already got Brickhaus to bite, and didn’t he already disprove that months ago?
Pretty much.
anyone who believes that Manny has been trying to avoid African-Americans, I feel, is kinda stupid
Pretty much.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
#teamfloyd is gonna say
“more floyd leftovers”
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
Sergio Mora fought Mayweather leftovers. This is like those times I warm up the Ziploc container of what I can only describe as “meat” and take my chances on first bite.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
LMAO!
u guys see bill simmons suggestion that manny fight kelly pavlik?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'd certainly rather see that
than this, as it would at least have the freak show value of a little guy fighting a much bigger guy.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 20, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
here i am thinking im the only one slightly intrigued by the idea
id be something. id pay for that fight twice before i pay 55 bucks for manny vs shane
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
If Kelly was still relevant, it would be interesting
Years and years ago I said Kelly’s style would make him ripe to get upset by a smaller man. Back then, I was thinking of Mayweather, but I could see him having problems with Manny as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Everyone with a loss is someone else's leftover.
No offense intended…but that is just a stupid argument getting dumber ever time it gets repeated.
yea...
and no offense taken… i was just stating what im sure we will hear
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but this one is…I mean, come on.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
If it comes down to this I'd rather see a rematch with Cotto
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Nov 20, 2010 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i think I just vomited in my mouth twice
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
by kingsfan300 on Nov 20, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
me too
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
The ironic thing is that Mosley has never been a slick boxer. He fought like the sterotypical Mexican fighter over the years with his money shots being the hooks to the body.
I would have loved to see a 135 Mosley who I considered a hair below Duran at that weight vs Manny.
At this point… Mosley doesn’t have anything left in the tank.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
What do the Cowboys and Pacquiao have in common?
Nothing. Manny wins when he works at Cowboys Stadium.
(Cowboys are 0-4 at home this year).
This fight, if made, will lend credibility to the notion that Roach is an ATG cherry picker. It makes money sense, but not boxing sense. Marquez is the fight I want to see.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
What's the difference?
Marquez fight would only be intriguing because he did well previously with Pac but both of them would be too old and will have nothing left in the tank… Though I might change that perception after Marquez’s fight.
If and only if the fight everybody wants don’t happen, then I would want to see Pac fight Alexander-Bradley winner.
who, mate?
but both of them would be too old
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Mosley/Marquez
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Both Mosley and Marquez are 'cherry picks' at this point
Frankly, there’s a lot more credibility to the criticism that he hasn’t beaten a great prime fighter, and neither of those two is anything close to that category.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Roach doesnt want this fight. He thinks it's irrelevant.
I’m wondering now if Top Rank isnt doing this to steal some glory from Oscar and Golden Boy. I would bet that SSM doesnt get the fight unless he signs with TR.
I'm going on record with my theory
Shane was originally signed by TR back in ’95 but ther were problems to prevent it. Now they will retire him in their stable.
he gets the fight without signing
He’s a shareholder at Golden Boy, but is willing to “promote himself” to get this fight and fight outside of their banner.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not slick by any stretch of the imagination anymore. As he has aged, he’s become a brawler.
You know something, I noticed this. I remember at one time Mosley was a guy that hated to get hit. I mean he had style in my opinion to be a “Boxer-Puncher”. He used quickness, slickness, speed and power. But like I said, he cared about not getting punched in the face. I wont say to the extreme of a Mayweather, but he rarely traded shots(Dela Hoya fight was a big exception) but that’s the fight that made him.
Now it seems like Mosley has this Brawler mentality. No more slickness, head movement, nothing. It’s like he’s proud of it too. I don’t know when this started in his career, I’m guessing around the Winky Wright fight. I saw him getting tagged repeatedly in that fight and seemingly not to care. But if you look at early Mosley fights, he rarely never got hit. Now he prides himself on being a brawler.
And by the way, if these rumors are true, this fight is a farce.
He was never quite the boxer he COULD have been, I think, because when he’s hit he just roars back. That’s always been Shane. But yeah now he’s a lot more willing to get hit, or else he just realizes he’s a lot easier to hit and his reflexes aren’t what they were. But he’s a pure brawler now. He’s really not that much different than Ricardo Mayorga at this point, except he’s quicker than Mayorga (even now) and not quite as willfully dumb in the ring. Oh and he stays in shape.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Meanwhile
100% of boxing fans are certain he’s going to get demolished.
Classic case of 'If your face fits'..
I’ll be really pissed off if this fight happens.
There goes my plan of Vegas trip to see Pacman vs Floyd! :-(
by Phill on Nov 20, 2010 11:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not so fast Phil
If Floyd comes back…and there are serious promotional issues with his court schedule now….then I think he get first dibs.
otherwise, we might get stuck w Shane
I hope you're right PP!
I’ll bet I’m not the only BLH’er who has plans to go if it were to happen.
:-)
Is Sharmbe Mitchell available? What about Gene "Mad Dog" Hatcher?
Come on Roach, put your guy in there with a live body. Andre Berto, Alfredo Angulo, hell even Kermit Citron would be ok….well maybe not Citron.
he's been in with all live bodies Franklin
In fairness, Manny should take a soft one . He deserves one once in a while.
What has Shane Mosley done to be deserving of a shot at Pacquaio?
Oh I know, look like shit in his previous couple of fights. Yeah, that seems to be the MO.
Good question. Answer: nada
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Leaving Golden Boy
Would be a huge F-U to Oscar and a feather in TR’ cap.
Business is business…and promoters are people.
they like re-matches. and victories.
I'm frankly sick of even thinking about it.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Yeah I know
Whatever sounds good at the moment
by The Floorer on Nov 20, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised if they're talking right now
And we just don’t hear about it. In real life, most negotiations don’t get made public, and frankly we wouldn’t even know about deals falling apart twice before if both sides weren’t being jackasses.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Read on fanhouse that Floyd is his number 1
But he doesn’t know who to contact as his rep or can’t get a hold of him.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Nov 20, 2010 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s a B.S. line. Arum knows to call Al Haymon and/or Leonard Ellerbe. Or just call Floyd. I’ll bet Bob Arum could get Floyd’s number. Just a hunch.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Bob Arum HAS Floyd's personal cell phone number
He DID promote Floyd until about 5 years ago, after all. And he’s negotiated on the other side of him several times since.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yes. top priority
But it is up to Floyd to come back to the table.
Arum wants him.
We want it.
Freddie wants it.
Manny wants it.
Just waiting on pretty boy now.
BTW, Floyd Sr does not want it. He was so effusive about Manny on ‘on the ropes’ the other night you’d have thoought it was his son
WOW! THIS IS CRAZY!
If this fight happens its going to be a step backward for boxing…to waste Manny’s time with someone like Mosley is an insult to Pacquiao, Roach, and to the ENTIRE SPORT OF BOXING…weve seen Mosley in two very bad fights and this is his prize. Unbelievable.
He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life.
Muhammad Ali
Here is why this may not be exciting but it is good for (somebody's) business.
Top Rank and Golden Boy can’t seem to get two of their fights together in one ring. It’s sort of the battle behind the battles.
Shane, whether we like this fight or not (I don’t) is at this moment one of the biggest names in the sport. And thus bigger draws. That may be unfortunate but it is a fact.
He can’t get a fight wiith Manny sitting at the other agency, Golden Boy.
So Golden Boy aint doin’ shinola to help him retire. ….unless you call Mora shinola.
Meanwhile Top Rank gets Shane they retire him as one of the bigger names…giving their stablemates more money options.
that may be business over boxing…but that is good (financial)business.
for everyone but Oscar.
I hear all of that, but it's "Hog Wash"
I dont care about what’s business in boxing. What the peolpe care about is Pacquaio’s legacy. And Pacquaio always says that he fights for the fans , right?Well, PLEASE BEAT A PRIME FIGHTER!!! Shane Mosley should’ve retired in the ring during the post fight interview of the Mayweather fight. He was horrible in his last outing. You mean to tell me he lost his last two fights and he’s rewarded a fight with the champ? I know the Mora fight was a draw but if it’s a draw that means that atleast one judge had you losing. And the fight was so horrible that it should’ve been losses for both guys.
And as for Pacquaio taking a easy fight now, I say no. He says that he’s only gonna fight 2-3 more times max. So why fight some cupcakes on your way out? Go out with style. Give the people something to remember. Rememeber, you’re only as good as your last outing. Now if he had 5-7 years left, hey no problem, take on a couple of tune up fights, some fights to just stay active, no problem. But if it’s only 2-3, why not make them count for something.
Bob Arum, if you read this,please ignore Shane.
The irony hear is that some people think this was Bernard's doing
Lobbying for a friend, Shane, to get a big fight before he retires.
And Floorer, Cotto and Hatton had one loss each; Cotto to a monster and Hatton to a welterweight great. Clottey and Margarito could still wipe their asses with 7 of 10 welterweights. They are prime.
You are losing credibility with tht line.
I suspect they're both a bit past prime
But prime is a funny thing. Usually, you don’t know when a fighter’s prime is until it’s over.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
you don’t know when a fighter’s prime is until it’s over
That’s part of the essence of boxing, for me. The feeling of greatness, immortality. Then, bang, it’s over. Pac will be over someday, but it sure doesn’t feel like it right now.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Roll the clocks back to October 1974
A 32 year old, twice beaten Muhammed Ali took on the most frightening Heavyweight since Sonny Liston…in Zaire.
And re-defined Prime.
Forevermore
I don't think Ali re-defined prime in that fight
He executed a great game-plan and showed one of, if not the best heart in boxing history. Part of the reason he had to do that is because he was no longer prime, physically. And he got needed help from Foreman to that end
I don’t think there’s a game-plan that an old mongoose like Mosley can use the same way.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Then he moved the goalposts for the definition.
You can just as easily argue that we never saw him in his prime after his license was revoked and returned. Or that Frazier beat a post-prime Ali.
My points are two.One, it ain’t over till it’s over. And two, losses have become over weighted. These days you are one loss from no longer being considered I find that notion absurd. I suspect you agree.
Moreover, prime must be broken down if the term is to be so used.
Are we talking about peak athletic prime…
Or the full panoply of skills that only come with talent, skills and maturity.
I’m really not trying to play semantics…but me thinks an old Ted might be too far along for some…..but a handful for others still in their prime.
Did I say Ted? I meant dawg.
This fight sucks. And so does Manny’s camp. He seems to be the must humble, likeable star in boxing yet his adviser, strength coach and fans say some of the dumbest, most disrespectful and racist things ever. Why is Alex Ariza calling Mosley a quitter? Mosley didnt say anything disrespectful of Manny from what I can tell. His Ariza trying a hype job? What does beating Mosley prove? What exactly does Michael Koncz do? Freddie will be predicting a first round K.O. 3 weeks before the fight if it happens. Please for the love of everything fight Floyd or someone whos last 12 months hasent been being dominated in one fight and looked shitty in an other one
Why is Alex Ariza calling Mosley a quitter?
I wouldn’t call Mosley a quitter, but I think that stems from his visible frustration against Floyd down the stretch of their fight. In his defense (kind of), I think Mosley was getting hurt by Floyd down the stretch of that fight, and if he was to step it up, aggression wise, he probably would’ve got stopped.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Mosley was in survival mode against Mayweather.
But don’t forget, he also called Diego “Chico” Corrales a quitter too for his performance against Mayweather. Ariza was also in Diego’s corner for that fight
I think he dud quit whatever strategy he thought might have won for him.
But Floyd made him quit. Once hurt, Floyd fought a fight that Shane had not planned for….and , if he had, was incapable of executing .
Those props belong to Floyd.
Having said that, I don’t care for this fight in any way.
It will be vaguely interesting to see what happens if the lawyers get in the way of Shane moving over to TR. My prediction….if so, this fight disappears.
Amen.
I loved this fight for shane 3 fights ago before Floyd fight…I love Shane but i really feel he doesnt have it for a guy who is on the up and up like Pacquiao…
I would love to see Bradley or Berto fight Pac man for sure if i cant get floyd and pacman..
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Full disclosure… im Black. Hopkins comments sound dumb as hell. I know you are all thinking thats a first.
Pakin
Look, I know you’re a big Pacquaio guy. I know you live and die Pacquaio and you hate Mayweather. So you feel the need to defend every action or be an apologist for Pacquaio and his camp. But sometimes you have to go by the motto" What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. What Pacquaio’s camp, not Pacquaio, but his camp have been doing lately is wrong.
I’m a Mayweather fan, but I call him out if he does something stupid, like not taking the Pacquaio fight. I believe it’s ALL his fault that the fight didn’t happen Nov 13. . March 13, I put both at fault for that one. But see, that’s the difference between me and you. I’m not gonna sit and defend Mayweather’s video tape rant, or the fact that I believe that he is ducking Pacquaio now. Yeah, I like Mayweather. But remember what I said, "what’s right is right, and what’s wrong is wrong. With that issue, Mayweather is clearly wrong. And I will not be an apologist for him the way you and Drunken Cutman are for Pacquaio.
And you tell me that I’M losing credibility with my statements?
Margarito, now Mosley?
Whatever happened to EARNING your shot? Shane’s one of my favourite fighters but going by recent form, he’s done diddly squat to earn a crack at Manny. Pacman’s on top of his game Freddie, match him up accordingly. Fight the best at their best.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
by Goatsnake on Nov 20, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
According to Dan Rafael, Berto might be seriously considered…http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog//name/rafaeldan/id/5828931/pacquiao-berto-play-no-mayweather-fight
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I'd much rather see Berto than Shane
But I’d much rather see the Bradley-Alexander winner than either of them. Unfortunately, the Bradley-Alexander fight is far enough off that if Manny’s next fight is in March, there wouldn’t be enough time for the winner to negotiate and then prepare for the fight.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Didn't Roach say something to the effect of
‘Manny won’t be fighting for six months or so’?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Hmmm. ...
Margarito, now Mosley?
Obviously, “earning” ones shot has a different meaning for Arum than it does for fans, Goaty.
May I admit that when things become boring enough in boxing that I sometimes convince myself that Fighter A has a chance against Fighter B. More is involved than just boredom and wanting a tough fight, but the point is I was at my worst with this when Chris Aureole fought Viatli. And while Margarito did provide some moments of discomfort for Manny, in the end he was what I guess Arum figured he’d be: a large circus bear—declawed, muzzled—being led around the ring and forced into the blades of a meat cutter over and over again. I don’t want to see Manny/Shan—
Nor Manny/Miguel.
I’d rather see a young gun who at least presents new puzzles—and youth.
Agree 100%. Fight the best. And Floorer is right in saying Manny should not be immune to criticism.
(One more attempt at a rec: this time with Mr. Snake’s post.)
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