Knockout of the Year: Sergio Martinez Blasts Paul Williams in Two
by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:38 PM EST
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Knockouts don't come much nastier than the one we saw tonight. They also don't come much more shocking.
Last December, Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams engaged in a 12-round war, won narrowly by Williams. Tonight, the rematch, among the most anticipated fights of the year, ended stunningly in the second round when Martinez (46-2-2, 26 KO) tore through Williams with a single, massive left hand, knocking him out face-down on the mat in awe-inspiring fashion.
Williams (39-2, 27 KO) was out as soon as the shot landed. After the fight, he told HBO's Max Kellerman that he simply got caught, and it's hard to argue with that. Williams never saw the shot coming, and it landed perfectly. Williams appeared to be mostly alright after the fight, and left under his own power, but it was a pretty scary knockout to be sure.
This raises Martinez's stock even more. He said that Williams left himself open enough, and that the fight went how he expected it would. Both fighters were throwing punches again, coming out aggressively, though there was more holding in this one than last year.
If only there was much more to say about this one, but there really isn't. After all, not much to report. But it's a can't-miss knockout, and Sergio Martinez is legit as the middleweight champ.
For the record, Martinez said he can get down to 156 pounds for a catchweight mega-fight, if one were to come his way.
Off TV Results from Atlantic City:
- Fernando Guerrero TKO-4 Saul Duran - Guerrero (20-0, 16 KO) stays unbeaten with another win over a solid journeyman veteran. He might be ready to step up into contention in 2011.
- Tony Thompson TKO-4 Paul Marinaccio - Thompson improves to 35-2 (23 KO) with the win over Marinaccio, another journeyman. Maybe Thompson can wrangle another title shot, but at 39, he better hope it comes soon. Lesser fighters keep getting shots at belts, and few have given Wladimir Klitschko as much trouble (admittedly not much) as Thompson did.
- Zsolt Erdei UD-8 Samson Onyango - Erdei fights for the first time since November 2009, when he won a cruiserweight trinket he didn't know he was fighting for. The former long-reigning 175-pound titleholder is now fighting for DiBella Entertainment after years of wasting his career with Universum.
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he already walked away from his rematch
right?
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
still in shock
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions
It was something to behold…
Rarely you see two world class fighter fight each other in a rematch and see an outcome like this… and to tell you the truth. It speaks more to the fact that Martinez has really applied himself to be a badass in the ring.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Not a Fight of the Year
But Holy Shit what a KO.
“Erdei fights for the first time since November 2009, when he won a cruiserweight trinket he didn’t know he was fighting for.”
HAHA!!! That is quality!!
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
It's sort of true
He took the fight on short notice, weighed in at like 176.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Still funny though.... :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
paul gets hit so much it was almost bound to happen
i just didnt think itd be tonight… but u gotta figure if either of them were gonna get ko’d itd be paul… man
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions
I really do wonder who he fights next
Is Pirog ready?
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 20, 2010 11:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
good question
I worry that Martinez will be stuck without a legit fight…Pirog has been MIA since his last fight. I can see a fight with Cotto if Manny chooses Mosley
I really don’t want to see Cotto vs Martinez… Cotto is just a small guy even for welterweight muchless middleweight.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
I dont think Cotto has a chance
Id love for Pirog to get a shot
I think Lemieux could be a better test for Sergio than Pirog
but they’re both really good prospects, so not a lot to choose between them
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Way too early for David.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Agreed
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But on the other hand
Lemieux says he’s willing and able
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2010 fighter of the year Sergio el maravilla martinez. still so amped, need more fight action. hope pwill will be fine … anyone thinking rubber match ?
eh, not really
I’d kind of like to see Tall Paul fight Pavlik still, though. Of course that would require Pavlik showing up for a fight.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
surely somebody will ask paul
in the post fight presser.. i wonder what he says
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Paul might be headed for evaluation straight away. But if he has the chance, I don’t think he’d pass on a third fight with Sergio. Paul lacks defense a lot of the time, but not guts.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
this is why i say it
RT @ChrisMannixSI Paul Williams already dressed and at post fight presser. Never seen a guy get here that quick.
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
After getting hit with a shot like that, no one should be asking Paul any question more difficult than “Do you want some more juice?” for at least a week.
by El Destruyo on Nov 20, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Realistically, who can he fight now, if not pac/mayweather? He can try to unify, meaning either Felix Sturm or Dmitriy Pirog. Neither of them have a high profile so the fight wouldn’t sell that well. Margarito rematch has lost interest after Pac’s beatdown.
If Martinez has the balls, he should go up and challenge the big boys up at smw. Bute, Abraham/Froch winner, etc. would be a great level up.
Sturm is promoting himself nowadays and I suspect he might take the fight now. Good HBO money in it for him, plus German TV.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
the poster does not lie
“The Explosive Rematch” — they weren’t kiddin’.
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actually
If Mosley DOESN’T land the Pacquiao fight, Martinez-Mosley with a 156 catchweight wouldn’t shock me.
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Iv’e got that f**ing Thompson Twins song in my head now cos of your ring entrance music.
I’m gonna have to go play some Barry Manilow. :(
by Matt Mosley on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Im really thinking itll be Cotto/Martinez
but that may be the pessimistic side of me
Top Rank has too many in-house options for Cotto, and they’re still planning on going with Cotto-Chavez in March.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Thinking the same thing.
Shane is a natural at 154 so the weight shouldnt be an issue.
Manny vs Berto.
Sergio vs. Shane
154 has always been a problem for Shane. I wouldn’t call him “a natural” at that weight, and his last two fights there have been terrible performances against Mayorga and Mora.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Shane is a natural at 154. A naturally worse fighter than he is at welterweight.
by El Destruyo on Nov 20, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
That might be worse than Manny-Shane
An even slower Mosley getting shredded. No thanks.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 20, 2010 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I would at least give Shane a shot against Manny.
Martinez would cut him down and make a bonfire out of him.
I like Mosley too much to see him fight either, to be honest.
Perhaps we should all chip into a Shane Mosley retirement fund?
it's really hard to know how his power would travel up or down.
Tht was a timing shot. Right on the button.
PW fights small for a tll man and loops his shots. There is no one else like him so it is impossible to think of that scenario again.
At 168, I thinkl his liabilities begin to show up….with his hand down and all…and the bigger men would be better able top withtand what he’s got.
by pakinpower on Nov 20, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It still weirds me out
to see PW crouch down to his opponents level
Rec pakin
I just watched the replay on a really good stream . Williams cant fight . He’s 6 ft 3 and has NO JAB . Like you said he fights small , always bending at the waist and knees until he is at the same height as his much shorter opponents . If the same day weigh in rule operated you would never have heard of this guy . His footwork , like a lot of tall skinny blokes is inadequate if you can put him under pressure but unlike most tall good fighters he totally wastes his height and reach .His chins nothing to right home about either . Ive never had him in my top 12 pound for pound fighters unlike a lot of people . I think JRok’s right the bloke might be toast after that . Then again Lennox Lewis came back from getting ktfo as did Patterson against Johansson .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Honestly,JC
I said on ESB 2-3years ago that Paul Williams,Chad Dawson and especially Chris Arreolla were overrated and i have seen nothing to change my opinion.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
And
i’m taking nothing away from “Maravilla”…..i think Williams is the best of the 3 but i don’t think any of them were ever gonna be as big as the hype.
Williams-The next Tommy Hearns :)
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
He's not even the new Milt McCrory mate .
Martinez just kept shifting to his own right from a crouch and unloading that same overhand left again and again and again . Williams is an amateur.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I know it is unlikely
But Martinez-Manny is a fight that should happen. Manny would have a chance at the lineal middleweight title, an unthinkable accomplishment. Everyone makes tons of money, and if he loses, he was fighting a damn middleweight. /dream.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
aint gonna hppen.
Martinez is a full middleweight…and a proven champ.
you just watched and saw that Manny took plenty of wear and tear fighting a bigger man …that he beat.
Manny took that punishment
In a win over the guy who stopped Martinez :)
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahahahahahahahah. I'm not going there
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Great punch. Holy shit, you are right that it was Punch of the Year!
Punisher will never be the same, I think…
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Very possible. Hope that’s not the case, but that was definitely one of those punches that can alter a fellow.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
he seemed ok after a bit
but that was likely a career changing punch
That has to be a concussion, at the very least
But my first thought was: that there punch has changed his career.
Hope You're Wrong
Fifty-five to forty-five he may be OK; Randall Bailey landed one a lot like that right on Francisco Figueroa (only higher, as he was the much taller one there), who has had only one low-profile fight since, drawing with an 11-1-0-5 prospect Sept. ‘09 and not fighting since, with no bouts scheduled. However, Williams is much, much better conditioned than Figueroa, and recovered a very great deal faster as well. It took Figueroa a loooong time to come around, even to just sit up, and then that took a long time. Head injuries are unpredicable, but Williams’s high level of conditioning and apparent speedy recovery actually bodes well, imo.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Only in boxing where logic is totally absent.
Margo crunches Sergio.
Williams beats Margo.
Sergio crunches Williams.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Margarito might have used loaded gloves in that fight…
I have never seen that fight… by the way… Margarito vs Martinez…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
He broke him down and then finished him off with a flurry. Martinez looked small and gaunt.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
He was. Of course it was at 147 and Martinez came into his own at 154/160.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F27dWyvKqiw
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Styles make fights, rock-paper-scissors. But I wonder what Sergio-Margarito in their primes would be like. I saw video of that particular fight and Sergio was rawer, almost unrecognizable.
by El Destruyo on Nov 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
And Williams would beat the hell out of Pavlik, style-for-style… or maybe not, now. That was a crossroads icing. Wondering if Paul can come back from it fully.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
he's not the sharpest arrow boxing-ise in the quill
He only fights one way. Aggressively. It will be very hard to fully commit after this…I would imagine. But who knows. He may use this as a lesson.
Find a weight and stay there.
None of us saw that one coming…especially long tall Paul. Martinez has some good options outside of Pac or Mayweather. Middleweight is a waste land so I think he oughta catch weight with one of the Jr middles (Cotto, Angulo, or even Kirkland when he gets back in the swing of things.)
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
People do love their knockouts. God knows I do.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was so hoping to see a Williams that fought like Hearns
BUT… My hopes got crushed Spectacularly
I gave up on that idea awhile ago, but I understand. Even Hearns didn’t always fight like Hearns…
by El Destruyo on Nov 20, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
He fought like Hearns did against Hagler....
:P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Im still in a bit of shock
I expected Martinez to win, but damn. I haven’t felt this way about a KO for a longtime.
Last time I can remember it being this high of a high was Pac-Hatton.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a bigger high to me. Pac-Hatton quickly became inevitable, whereas although I thought Martinez hurt Williams some in the second round….no one, especially not Paul, saw that one coming.
by El Destruyo on Nov 21, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds about right. But as far as really getting into a fight for its duration, I would have to defer to Abraham-Direll.
Dirrell's masterful performance that night
Has gotten forgotten a little bit. It was a wonderful boxing exhibition.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 21, 2010 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
imagine if either of these guys had a real fan base
outside of these circles.
They drew 5500 fans live.
Martinez admits no one at home even knew him.
Paul can’t draw flies despite his style.
He has no regional or other real fanbase.
In a way, this great victory hs a very small audience….which is a shame for boxing.
Williams does good HBO ratings.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
not anymore. He is yesterday's news. Boxing is a cold buisness
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
In fact I just rearranged my top 12 and Paul is not on there anymore.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Why?
Does getting beat by a really good fighter now mean someone isn’t a really good fighter themselves?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Not necessarily, but my style is to be very harsh on someone who loses badly, because there are so many other fighters out there
who are very good and wwho have not lost to anyone.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I did the same to Daeson and to Pavlik.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I never had Dawson very high...
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I never had Pavlik very high, in a P4P sense. I think the highest I ever had him was about No. 10, and I really liked Pavlik.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
That's about where I had him, but I always do a Top 12. And I never muched cared for him.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
He was brillaint in the Miranda and Taylor (1) fights
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
No argument with that. But not against Hop or Sergio
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Whatever fight Kelly Pavlik had in him, Bernard Hopkins beat out of him. Having watched him closely since then, I truly feel that way. Bernard didn’t just beat him, and didn’t just dominate him, he made him look like a nobody. I don’t think he’s ever mentally recovered from the embarrassment of the Hopkins loss. I really have no hopes for Pavlik to ever be a serious contender again.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going upstairs for a brandy. Night, mates.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
that sounds like a fine idea
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
re: Kid Blast, "harsh on someone who loses badly"
I guess I do the same, now that I think about it. In division rankings, I won’t drop someone below someone I’m SURE they’d beat, no matter the manner of loss, but in a P4P sense, I’m harsh in that regard too, and for the same reason. I never thought about it that way, but that’s what it is: there are so many very good fighters out there. In the past I’ve argued it as “well, it’s a competitive sport. There are a lot of good fighters.” P4P is what it is, and it accounts for everyone in an entire sport.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
To have a middleweight champion that hardly anyone knows
is kind of a shame. Sergio is exciting and desrving. Shame he got here so late in life….from Argentina
Well, we know him and that's all that counts, right?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
indeed it is Ted
But I want Boxing back in the mainstream….so I can pretend to be an expert on something.
I hate to say it, but that just might never happen. Hope I am wrong.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
it probably won't
Boxing promoters are too in love with themselves and their set way of business despite the fact that there are a million things they could do better. Promoters aren’t much for taking chances. Pretty timid businessmen, really.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Plus there are so many other things, but that's the grist for a Fanpost
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
me too
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
i cant help but think of the report
where pauls trainer basically said “we’re training.. paul is so good we dont need a gameplan” maybe paul needs a new trainer
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 20, 2010 11:58 PM EST reply actions
Yuuuuuup. I think George Peterson has taken Williams as far as he can, and to be fair he took him pretty damn far. But sometimes you need to switch things up.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Nov 20, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
he came in and fought the same fight as last year
sergio came in like he had almost a year to prepare and gameplan and make adjustments
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
And a crushing, clean shot.
That helps a gameplan.
I do not like pickles.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 21, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Mayweather would make a HUGE statement by jumping into the line for a Martinez fight. Win or lose it would mint him as an ATG.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
i think
a martinez fight is in some ways more dangerous than a manny fight
and a lot less lucrative
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Haahahahahahahahshahahaha
True statement, but it ain’t happening.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, you are right.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
Wow. Never thought of that rok.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Martinez will most likely get The Ring’s KO of the year and Fighter of the year honors now?
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
Fighter of the Year still has one guy who can make another statement: Jean Pascal.
But for me, right now, it’s Sergio Martinez. If Pascal knocks Hopkins out…tougher call.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Wish in one hand...
If Pascal knocks Hopkins out…
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
I said if. I don’t expect him to either. I don’t even really expect Pascal to win.
I’M PICKING HOPKINS
Spoiler for next month.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping if I pick him to win for once he’ll lose.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
shit i feel like the only one picking pascal … i expect bhop to gas and fade and pascal win a uninspiring ud
My only prediction is that whatever happens, it will be uninspiring.
by El Destruyo on Nov 21, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’m expecting them to both gas and the fight to be uglier than Margarito’s eye.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
ive learned
u pick hopkins until he retires…
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Manny has too be considered as well.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Manny’s in the running, but I think Martinez’s two wins are better than Manny’s.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Martinez is 35 and fights like a kid. This guy is special – flawed technique, off-balance-but special. Enjoy him while he’s here.
Great KO...
Yelled so loud that I woke up the family…Very Nice KO
Woke me up to, man
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
ha ha my little nephew was in the room so I stopped it at a “HOLY CRAP!” but that’s what I was thinking too.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Nov 21, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
The way that Paul fell...
Looked like Duran vs Hearns, but Hearns beat up Duran for 2 rounds. Again Great KO.
BTW
Max offered even money on tonight’s fight being Fight of the Year. I verbally accepted from my couch, so I expect his payment. I put down $500K, Max. Pay up.
Bad Left Hook
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Still need our FIGHT of the year though…hopefully next week on HBO! :) (y’all know I’m referring to Berto-Hernandez)
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
I’ve got mine, it’s just nobody saw the damn thing.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Which one was that? I totally kid about Berto-Hernandez.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Nov 21, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Daniel Estrada-Angel Alirio Rivero
- is Antonio Escalante-Mickey Roman
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
that should be #2
Stupid formatting being all smart.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
We're in agreement
So far at least, although I’m not sure that would have been in my top 5 in 2009.
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It wouldn’t have been in my top five last year. It’s been a shit year, to be quite honest, and that’s not usual boxing fan bitching.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Anything with Katsidis in it has a chance
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
His face never holds up, but it doesn’t deter him. That bloodbath with Czar Amonsot was ridiculous.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
And did serious harm to Amonsot who should not be allowed to fight anymore.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
agreed
To make matters worse for Amonsot, he had a metal pipe fall and hit him on the head after that fight. He was working as security for the government for a while but came back to boxing, which just scares me. He shouldn’t be in there.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Via AP
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
The audience looks like a choir, all the OOOOOHs
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VIA AP
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Link if you can’t see it…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
scary
scary pic
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Just a fantastic photo
New wallpaper for me!
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 21, 2010 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looking at this I'm convinced:
No reason Manny should fight Sergio. And no reason Sergio should go back down to 154. Martinez should dare anyone to knock him off the Middleweight throne. If he can’t get a good challenge, he should consider invading 168. Long live the MW king!
by geraldmcgrew on Nov 21, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting point here: it’s the third, massive, overhand left of the round that Sergio lands. Some things, Paul just doesn’t learn.
by El Destruyo on Nov 21, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
interesting… as soon as Martinez hits him, it’s like he knows he’s won
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Well just in the manner in how he fell… it was over…
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
yup, but it’s almost instantaneous, as if he really had been practicing to beat him just like that
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They never get up
when they go down face first like that, but at least his breathing looked OK and he was’nt twitching. I think he’ll get over it.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
yeah… i wanted Martinez to win, but I sincerely hope Williams is okay… that was really nasty
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Looking at Sergio in that photo and comparing him to the Sergio who fought Margo
is like abefore and after for Charles Atlas.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
All I know is, I’m not kicking sand in this Sergio’s face, or trying to take his girl.
by El Destruyo on Nov 21, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Great picture, too. Sergio celebrating before Paul hits the canvas. He knows it’s over!
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
He sort ot
went ooooooh too, he said it first.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Williams stock just went sky high
Everyone will fight him now.
Williams Margaritio remtch.
Floyd will take it.
Manny as well.
the list suddenly got longer the further he fell
i dont doubt his chin tho
he just got caught.. plain and simple
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Williams should lower his sights
Cotto?
Angulo?
Mosley?
Cintron rematch even?
s’pose Margarito rematch could work (loser quits match?)
by geraldmcgrew on Nov 21, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Martinez v Williams III could go the opposite way. These two are made for each other, and great for the sport. True warriors.
It’s not an impossible fight in a few years, actually, because this was a quick KO rather than a sustained beating. But unfortunately, business was pretty poor on this fight, so we’ll have to see. I would watch it. Just not for awhile, and with a few solid Williams wins in the interim.
by El Destruyo on Nov 21, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
If ever
a picture fitted a name………………….. :)
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
awesome, just set that as my wallpaper
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Nov 21, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Great photo. How the F--K do you do that?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Look at the symbols at the top of your posting slot,Ted.
It’s there somewhere,but i’m not sure exactly where myself…:)
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Got it. Thanks, good buddy
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I see those symbols, they never work for me.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Trust me, they work. You have to highlight whatever you want to be bold, italic, strikethrough, or
quoted, however. The chain link is for a hyperlink, also has to be highlighted and then the URL pasted into the pop-up bar. The little tree is a photo — you can click that, then post the URL of the photo you want to post. For instance, here’s a photo of a duck:
I couldn’t help myself.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
and if you know HTML
It’s just HTML. It’ll work.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
The fight poster (top of the thread) looks strangely prophetic to me now....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Williams-Cintron II
Or Williams-Angulo would be my prediction for
PW.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Nov 21, 2010 12:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I can't move I can't move I can't move I can't move
YOU MEAN I LOSE? I CAN MOVE! GET ME OFF THIS STRETCHER! OH, JEEZ.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
with the last minute requisite slap across his own shoulder
“Damn, the doctor told me not to move until I got in front of the camera near the ambulance”
It’s not easy being green.
"My God, kids today think that the laces are for tying up the gloves."
-- Fritzie Zivic
that’s awesome!
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Nov 21, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
How do you get that image on there rok?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I don't think so
If Paul wants it, I say bring it on.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
i want to see it
only if paul gets a new trainer tho.. and makes a adjustment
also rafel says at the presser paul said hel fight anybody
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Christ (not you), are you a sadist?
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
To be honest, it’s a pretty simple adjustment for Paul to make. If you watch the second round, Sergio shoots that thing like four times before the kill shot lands. Paul’s wide open for it to an almost embarrassing degree.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
This KO might make Pavlik feel a little better about his loss. Actually I really liked the Martinez-Pavlik fight. Martinez won fairly wide, but it was still competitive enough to be interesting, had lots of blood to please the violence lovers. That would be crazy if Martinez swept KO, Fighter, and was in FOTY. Not bad for a guy who likes to box before brawl.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
very true. I hope we keep seeing Martinez the KO artist!
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Nov 21, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I liked Sergio-KP, too. Good fight. Best Pavlik’s fought since the first Taylor fight, IMO. Sergio was just too good and once Kelly started bleeding pretty good, he was out of the fight. I think I had it 8-4 for Sergio, but Kelly had some nice middle rounds.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Kelly lost confidence in his resilience and his power after Bernard
Bernar’s ghost haunted his own when push came to shove w Martinez
That would be crazy if Martinez swept KO, Fighter, and was in FOTY. Not bad for a guy who likes to box before brawl.
Everything except Fight of the Year he will get i think.
He’s nailed on for Fighter of the Year,needless to say.
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
I remember first watching him over here in the UK back in the early 2000’s when he beat one of our respected welter-light middleweights,Richard Williams,twice.
The first word i thought when i saw him…………..Slick!
Honestly! :)
by Matt Mosley on Nov 21, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'll catch the replay in a day or two,
but it sounds like Williams really was drained / weak while weighing a weird 156 for a dude who is 6’ 2" tall…… Still, no greatness will ever become of Paul Williams….. Simply put, the dude ain’t got the heavy metal to be a real rocker…… NOPE!!
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wouldnt say that
he just absolutely got caught
"After this, I'm gonna kick Bob Arum's ass."
-George Lopez
by Eddie Gonzalez on Nov 21, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Martinez is the one who was supposedly having weight problems
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Do you guys think Sergio Martinez-Felix Sturm in Germany would do good business? Is that a viable option?
It would do great business
If Sturm is willing to do it.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I am sure that ZDF would love to have a fight of that magnitude but I am sure that HBO would be the lead TV producer.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Sturm has a 10-fight deal with Sport 1
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Similar to Klitschko's TV deal with RTL
I think it was a flat 10 million Euro deal, IIRC.
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He is
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sure, TV deals are only for one country
But HBO pays a lot less for fights they have to run on tape delay
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
They could go afternoon like they did for Wlad-Austin and Calzaghe-Manfredo, but I suspect they pay a lot less for those, too.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Sport 1 is the TV network
So he can’t sell the fight for more money just because he’s fighting someone more famous. But the fight would fill a stadium there.
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Southpaw 'Hearns"?? Hell, No.... WORD!
’Nuff said….
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My God no! Not even close. Randall Bailey has some similarities and so does Alejandro Barrio.
Mid you, I said some. But PW was never a power puncher IMO.
I submit PW will be done soon, if he is not already. In my years of watching, guys don’t come back well from an icing like that. And if he ever fought Martinez again, the result would be the same though probably in a later round because PW would be more cautious. No. I’m now writing Williams off and moving on. No one ever said boxing was a lovable sport.
Some say Fullmer was an example of a guy coming back and I say to that tthat the diffrence in this KO and the one SRR laid on Gene is like the diffrence between mugging and a sap job.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
Sturm is a jaggov.......
Sturm is bland……. That guy NEVER made a serious effort to excell after his 2004 bout with DLH on PPV…..
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Yes bland is a good way to descibe him.
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
I think ElDestruyo is not here anymore, but if you are, this is what I was talking about earlier:
“Perhaps this outcome was the exact reason why Williams’ handlers — manager Al Haymon and promoter Dan Goossen — had done everything they could to avoid the rematch until being essentially forced into it by HBO, which would not buy another fight involving Williams.
They dragged out the negotiations for months and left Martinez, promoter Lou DiBella and adviser Sampson Lewkowicz with the short end of the stick. They accepted the deal — including being forced to fight at contract weight of 158 pounds instead of the division limit of 160 — but they were not happy."
(http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=5830391)
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Fire Steve Addazio.
Martinez' stock just went
THROUGH THE ROOF on the global market………
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like who
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t they were “lining up” to fight Sergio Martinez.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Pavlik, as silly as that sounds, would make some $$$$ sense
Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.
HBO highlighted him on the broadcast tonight, so who knows? They might think that’s worth some nice money.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
That's the kind of fight I'd be happy to see HBO overpay for
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I would love to have a 15 min discussion about boxing with Ross Greenburg one of these day… and tell him that he is the most important person in boxing and that he should overpay for the right to be shown on the place where boxers are made into superstars.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Sometimes it's worth it to economically overpay
for a fight that otherwise couldn’t be made without the extra TV cash. But I don’t think it’s a good plan to overpay for a crappy fight to develop a name just so that future fights are possible, e.g. what they’ve been doing with Andre Berto.
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Martinez should
go retire Felix Sturm. Anytime, anywhere, I don’t think old man Sturm can fight 12 against Martinez.
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great stuff again tonight, everybody
This much discussion out of a two-round stunner is awesome, and some quality talk all over the place. Lot of fun.
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More damning for Paul than the terrible KO loss was Martinez’s statement in the post fight interview when he said he could see Paul swing wide and open up …as if he was waiting for the light to change.
Bottom line (well one of many): Paul was fighting like it was December 2009. Sergio was fighting like he’d learned from December 2009. Martinez seemed to have a serious gameplan, including clinching in close because Paul, dimensions be damned, is an inside fighter.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 21, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
I DVR'd the fight
I started watching it this morning. My wife gets mad cause it’s already Sunday which means I’m gonna be catching the football games too. She’s like “I’m not gonna watch 5 hours of sports today”! Then Williams gets KTFO. I said you don’t have to lol.
Nasty KO.
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