Top Rank Planning Puerto Rican Day Double-Header With Cotto-Margarito II On Top
by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 PM EST
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According to Michael Marley at BoxingScene.com, Top Rank chief Bob Arum is looking at a June double-header in the New York area, tying in with the city's annual Puerto Rican Day Parade. The main event would be a rematch between Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. facing Yuri Foreman in a co-feature attraction.
Earlier reports had been that Top Rank was still focused on getting a fight between Cotto and Chavez done for March, should Chavez defeat Alfonso Gomez on December 4 in Anaheim. Right now, the schedules of all these guys don't seem to match up for a big June event. Cotto hasn't fought since June of this year, and declined to face Chavez in December after coming off of shoulder surgery. Chavez signed to fight Gomez, and that seemed to make sense to get a fight between those two done in March should all go well. Margarito is having pretty noteworthy surgery on his face following his November 13 loss to Manny Pacquiao, and Foreman has been out since his June loss to Cotto with a knee injury, though at last word he'd been starting to get back into training a little bit.
Will Cotto want to sit out an entire year? Will Margarito really be ready to face a tough opponent by then (or ever again, even)? Will Chavez sit from December to June, or take another easy in-between fight between then? Will Foreman want to face Chavez off of the injury, or would he need a tune-up?
So many questions. So few answers. My gut feeling is that Cotto-Chavez is still the most practical idea, and if they do that in March, it's hard to see both coming back to fight again on June 11, which would be the Saturday night before the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Of course you never can be 100% sure what anyone in boxing is really thinking, so it'll figure itself out in time, of course. Maybe none of it happens.
And as for the December 4 Top Rank pay-per-view card, featherweight prospect Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia will be facing Olivier Lontchi on the broadcast. You may remember Lontchi from his 2009 loss to Juan Manuel Lopez. He hasn't fought since then.
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Giant Stadium. NYC
That’s my prediction.
Especially after Dallas upset Steve Tisch’s team the day after Steve watched Manny pack Texas Stadium with Jerry Jones.
Giants Stadium (Meadowlands) isn’t in NYC. It’s in New Jersey.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
And honestly I think they’d be better off back in the Bronx at Yankee Stadium. Easier to make it look good on camera, would draw a lot better than Cotto-Foreman (which did OK), and has more casual fan name attraction. But that would require the Yankees to be on the road.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
hbo wcb or tr ppv?
even though this isn’t even announced yet, any guesses/clues?
probably HBO PPV, to be honest
They bought Mosley-Mora. They’d buy this if it gets made. Plus Top Rank could put a couple more decent fights on the show and make it an actual pretty good PPV. But they wouldn’t, I suspect. They save good full cards for their smaller PPVs and would probably give us Matt Korobov against another bum.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
PPV
No worse than Cotto-Jennings / Pavlik-Rubio
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Live events, stadiums, network TV, more cross-over audience. The Works.
Now….if we can only get that stubborn undercard issue looked at a little closer…
believe me, they've looked at it
Fact of the matter is that the undercard does not affect the sales at all, so they’ve got no incentive to make them better.
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by Scott Christ on Nov 23, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
you know scott I was thinking about that today.
In almost fifty years as a fan, I can’t remeber much about or any of the undercards from all of the fights that I went to see on closed circuit back in the day
I always paid for the big one. I guess most others do as well.
i kno cotto had surgery, but he was originally slated to fight jcc jr not margarito. i have no interests in seeing margarito on the big stage ever again and i’m sure many others agree.
juanma v gamboa ‘will happen’ i understand this but enough talk arum just get the fight signed. doniare montiel as well, dont pretend these fights are on queue when theyre clearly not. lets finally see these meaningful fights
Interest or not, Margarito is coming back
When you see how many paid to watch him fight Manny, you’ll know why
well attendence was better for clottey then it was for margarito in cowboys stadium … thats a strong statement in itself to the ‘popularity’ of margo even among mexican fans.
as well cotto is the type of fighter that fights whos placed in front of him whoever it may be … all i am saying is that jcc jr is a more intriguing fight imo and one i’d much rather see. margarito already had an undeserved big fight for his retirement plan.
and youd think margarito would have to fight at least one ranked fighter before he has the opportunity to fight for a belt at again at 154. its total bullshit …
Cotto wants money fights. Big names.
So does his promoter.
Margrito = Money.
Arum admitted to handing out comps galore at the Clottey fight.
Watch the PPV numbers. They’ll show the method to the madness.
projected ppv #'s have been way off in the past ... i think this may be the case for this last ppv
margarito has never been a big draw or mexican super star … he was on the brink then he met mosley who obliterated him and that hope + hand wraps. i think (and hope) the ppv #s will be approx 700-750k.
I agree that Cotto-Margarito is kind of a garbage fight now (frankly, Margarito vs. anyone is, at this point), but I would be interested in it just because I would greatly enjoy seeing Cotto kick his ass. It would be justice.
it wasnt even a huge fight in 2008 .. it did pretty well though but it was far from huge (approx 450k buys). and thats when the fight actually meant something, now the intrigue is not even close to what it was then. both are obviously faded fighters and overall its just arum trying to get every last drop out of both of them.
if you go back to my original post before you totally distracted me all that i was saying is that arum should have just kept the opponent jcc jr. imo its just a better fight, a definite crossroads, still has the rivalry , jr’s undefeated record and hes prob the bigger draw. but instead arums’s dragging it along before he cashes out … so all i’d wish is that hed give us the fight hed promised along with a couple other that he always talks about but never actually seem to come to fruition
u think this fights huge and relevant all the power to u, but i;m done with the topic
Cool.
It may not have been huge by Manny Floyd standards huge….but it was great.
Moreover, it’s JCC Jr. who I think stinks…and he deserves nothing. He got where he is out of respect to his father…and still he barely earned it. Fighting Cotto is a gift…for him. Not us.
JCC Jr. does good demographic numbers. (Because of his dad.)
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by Scott Christ on Nov 23, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly....but I love boxing.
Guys who work hard and fight harder to get the little they can. Not members of the Luck Sperm Club getting gifts just for being who they are.
As for PPV, I get that totally. And for my hard earned moeny, I’ll take the Tornado every night and every day over Junior. The man fights as if he trains to fight every round…..which he does. Junior looks like he trains his hair to part on whichever side he’s being photographed.
If it's 750 PPV, you'll get your wish
If it’s a million plus, just don’t pay to watch him.
But you have to promise not to peek.
BTW, Michael Marley is not really all that reliable, so I’ll wait for confirmation from other sources. Honestly, I don’t want to see Cotto Margarito 2. Not even for the “revenge” aspect. I doubt that Cotto, at this stage in his career, would be able to fuck up Margarito like Manny did. Seeing Margarito’s face after the Manny debacle was enough for me (and even then I hoped he would be fine because as much as I can hate a human being, I still don’t wish them real ill).
For me, best case scenario, Cotto listens to Steward and jabs his way to an unanimous decision. Worst case, he gets dragged into a slugfest with Margarito and falls again. At this stage in his career, Cotto gets cut and rocked easily so if Margarito were to beat him, it would probably eliminate, in the mind of many, the doubt of whether he cheated or not and, honestly, I think that doubt is Margarito’s worst punishment.
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