Saturday Night Global Boxing Results: Khan Survives Maidana in a Thriller, Mares Edges Darchinyan in a Great Fight, Agbeko Tops Perez in Rematch
by Scott Christ on Dec 12, 2010 12:31 AM EST
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We'll have a lot more on tonight's fight with expanded analysis, but for now here's a quick n' dirty roundup and some quick comments. It was a hell of a night of boxing. And don't forget to check out the recap from Frank Warren's big show in Liverpool earlier.
Las Vegas, Nevada
- Amir Khan UD-12 Marcos Maidana: Khan retained his WBA belt on scores of 114-111, 114-111 and 113-112. This was a terrific fight, not so much because it was all that even (I had it a wider 115-110 for Khan), but because we saw two guys and pretty much everything they can do, and every flaw they have displayed in 36 minutes. Khan (24-1, 17 KO) looked sensational early on, even flooring Maidana (29-2, 27 KO) with a brutal body shot combo in the first round. The shots were nasty, and Maidana's face showed the pain. He doubled over and went down. But he got up, and after relentlessly hounding Khan and walking through Amir's best shots, Maidana finally cracked Khan perfectly in the 10th round, which led to three minutes of a wobbling Amir Khan surviving the onslaught. If you missed this fight, catch a replay. And I'll have a lot, lot more on this one. There's tons to talk about with this fight.
- Victor Ortiz D-12 Lamont Peterson: I missed this fight, but BLH's Matt Miller had it close for Ortiz, but remarked that he didn't feel as though Ortiz had "earned it." When the draw scores were read, those in our live thread who had watched the fight didn't react with any outrage. I know I've often "picked on" Victor Ortiz, but I just don't see it with him. Yes, he's talented. He's a good fighter. He's strong. But is he really someone you should be giving this much promotion to making a star? No. I strongly feel he is not that sort of fighter. And I'm not saying someone like Timothy Bradley is, either. But Ortiz definitely isn't. Ortiz is now 28-2-2 (22 KO) and Peterson is 28-1-1 (14 KO). If you're an Ortiz fan though, don't worry. Golden Boy and HBO are too far invested in this kid bucking what are now some pretty clear odds against him being a Junior Oscar to give up now. Hopefully we won't have to endure any more image rehab fights like Antonio Diaz, Nate Campbell and Vivian Harris, but I wouldn't be shocked if that's basically exactly what happens. Ortiz is only 23, but to me it feels like it's really sink or swim time. But his age can be used to say, "Well he's still young, so..."
- Off-TV Undercard Results: Joan Guzman TKO-2 Jason Davis ... Seth "Mayhem" Mitchell KO-5 Taurus Sykes ... Sharif Bogere UD-8 Christopher Fernandez ... Jesse Vargas UD-8 Ramon Montano ... Randy Caballero UD-4 Robert Guillen ... Alfonso Blanco TKO-3 Gustavo Medina ... Jamie Kavanagh TKO-1 Jacob Thornton
Tacoma, Washington
(Photo by Tom Casino/Showtime)
Brick will have more on these two fights later. This is another one -- if you missed it, make sure you catch it.
- Joseph Agbeko UD-12 Yonnhy Perez: The rematch of one of the best fights of 2009 didn't quite live up to the original, but was the fourth good fight in a four fight night nonetheless. Agbeko, despite being out of action for over a year, looked fresh in this one, and as if his team came into the fight with a different gameplan. Perez pressed forward continuously behind high volume, as he did in the first fight, but instead of trading, Agbeko fought backing up, slipping punches and countering with effective combinations. the few times when Perez had the most success was when Agbeko abandoned this game plan and traded with Perez like he did in the first fight. Despite not quite having the insane workrate of the first fight, the two fighters still combined for nearly 1900 punches. Scores were 117-111, 116-112 and 115-113 for Agbeko in a well-deserved decision. Bad Left Hook had it 117-111 for Agbeko, who scored the most effective punches in the vast majority of the rounds. The result sets up fights between Agbeko and Abner Mares, and between Perez and Vic Darchinyan, in the next round of the Showtime bantamweight tournament.
- Abner Mares SD-12 Vic Darchinyan: It's easily the biggest win in the young career of Abner Mares (21-0-1, 13 KO), who largely outboxed Darchinyan (35-3-1, 27 KO) en route to a close win on scores of 114-112, 115-111 and 111-115. Bad Left Hook had it 114-112 for Mares, who overcame an early deficit a la Marquez-Pacquiao I, only this time it didn't end in a draw. In fact, there really were plenty of parallels between the two fights. Mares went down in the second round on a left hand and lost a point early on for low blows. He was also busted open pretty badly on his hairline in the first round as the result of an accidental head clash. But he fought through the blood, fought through Darchinyan using more lateral movement than I can ever recall, and in the end he wore Darchinyan out. Vic fought the last few rounds on fumes and looked desperate. Darchinyan did his usual bit after the fight, which frankly is always just whiny when he loses. But we're talking about the guy who says Nonito Donaire didn't knock him out, so what can you expect? I felt Mares definitely deserved to win the fight, and that 115-111 for Darchinyan was borderline silly. This was a Fight of the Year contender, and really had a little bit of everything. Drama, power punching, blood, shifts in momentum, chippiness. Like the Khan-Maidana fight, I felt this was poorly refereed -- over-refereed would be the correct term, I think. But like Khan-Maidana, the fight was too good to get weighed down by the third man.
- Off-TV Undercard Results: Eric Morel UD-8 Juan Jose Beltran ... Cesar Seda Jr. TKO-1 Ernie Marquez ... Chris Avalos RTD-4 Cecilio Santos
St. Petersburg, Florida
- Dhafir Smith UD-12 Jeff Lacy: Smith, a 24-19-7 journeyman, used his jab while moving backwards for 12 rounds, forcing Lacy to chase him around the ring without throwing many punches, to get the unanimous decision. This is Lacy's third loss in his last four fights, and you can make a pretty solid argument that he should have lost every fight since he faced Joe Calzaghe. If it wasn't official before, it is now - stick a fork in Jeff Lacy.
Torreon, Mexico
- Cristian Mijares UD-12 Juan Alberto Rosas: Mijares (41-6-2, 18 KO) completes a comeback from three straight losses in 2008-09 by picking up the IBF super flyweight belt against Rosas (32-6, 26 KO). Reportedly, this was an awful style clash. After a few rounds where Mijares outboxes Rosas with combination punching, as Rosas tried to cut off the ring, Mijares got on his bike for the remainder of the fight, throwing out punches with little intent, but winning rounds simply because Rosas couldn't catch up with him.
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was it really a full on liver shot? I didn't think so
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I’ll get my medical encyclopedia out……………….Ah,yes,apparently 3/8th’s of Khan’s glove were on the liver area.
To be specific.
Worth noting that MM is one of the first guys I ahve ever seen to get up from one of those.
What amonster. With his nickname," El Chino," apparently he may have some Chinese blood in him which would make him the toughest Chines boxer I have ever seen. lol
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Like the Mother humping Terminator
One of the most incredible physical feats I’ve seen in the ring.
Like Ali rising from Frazier’s left hook….
Or Gatti v Ward.
Truly breathtaking
One very tough hombre
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Cortez let Khan get away with some serious holding in close
That shit bothered me – every time they got close Khan would grab an arm or head and Cortez just let it happen. I’m tired of refs allowing fighters to effectively take away one guy’s whole game.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Tony Perez
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Ugh
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Ali held Fraziers head down , yes
But Joe must have punched Ali in the balls at least 50 times in the first fight and over 100 in Manilla . Clinching is as old as boxing .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Bowe and Holy--same thing
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Juanma also has that bad habit..
Why dont we ever see the headline "Psychic
wins lottery" in the newspapers?
Tru dat but...
Hold or push a man’s head down and be ready to take whatever comes down below. That’s just how it rolls.
It’s the referee’s job is to be sure to maintain some sense of balance when both tactics are being employed.
This point bothered me in the Mares fight. Vic held his head down and just get nailed low, complain, then the ref took a point away from Mares and just kept warning Vic for like every single round.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 13, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
i totally agree
Vic pushed his head down and where he wanted it and then got the ref fo deduct a point from Mares. It’s a veteran schtick…but the ref should know better.
Having said that, I like Mares for shooting straight for the cojones. If you are going deep when you foul…go deep
That was a miserably referee'd fight
I’ve though Cortez was getting old for a while, and this confirmed it. While I’m sure he will get more imporant fights, he no longer should. His days as a top referee should end now.
by journeyintosound on Dec 12, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
But he also let MM get away with some back of the head shots. Coterz did some equal opportunity
crap in there last night
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Khan taking shots to prove he can take it = Manny taking shots (Cotto early rounds) to prove he can take it.
by erasedcitizen on Dec 12, 2010 3:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He won didn’t he.
And i notice none of the “Khan’s got a glass chin” banner waver’s are givign him credit for proving that he can take a shot (from the bioggest ouncher in the division).
Typical of some negative thinker’s who don’t like to give due credit.
Admittedly
Khan looked shaky late on and he took some unnecessary big shots by just standing there on the ropes and trying to imitate Manny.
How good will he be?I’m not sure,but i think he proved that his chin issues are not as bad as once thought.
Punch resistance is sometimes to do with mental strength and weight cutting too.
At 140 and after much sparring at the Wild Card,i think Amir has improved his punch resistance,and it showed.
Absolutely. He won
And he took shots from the biggest puncher in the division.
The same puncher who punched holes through the hype of Ortiz.
And the same guy that would arguable hurt any one of the elite Junior Welters
exactly.
if khan got hit by that punch in the first 3-rounds.. fight would’ve been a different outcome. i know i said IF, but there are more dynamic punchers out there than maidana. he did dig deep after that punch, but a non-winded maidana would’ve ko’d him easily. it took khan two rounds to recover!
No offense but that is a bit preposterous.
The facts are the facts.
Khan beat Maidana to the punch first.
And hurt him bad enough to stop any other man.
Then he beat off an aggressive bad ass power puncher for half the fight.
Yes, two tired men entered the tenth round and Maidana finally connected.
And argueably a lesser man would have crumbled.
But Khan did not.
Nor was the lesser boxer, Maidana able to hurt him until then.
Why, because Khan is that good.
If MM could have connected early…he could hurt anyone.
But he didn’t because he was up against a better boxer.
This is a case where “better late than never” is just flat out….overrated.
It’s not a criticism, but rather great tactics on khan’s part because that was one monster of a body punch. It must have taken a lot out of MM especially it being in the first round.
Also anyone else suprised how good MM’s jab was?
properdave, that was meant for DOOM
But yes…MM is a bit crude technically but he has intagibles coming out the wazoo and skills as well.
He ain’t pretty but he gets the job done with what he has….and that is more than most gave him credit for having. Jab included.
Also, how about the combination punches he nailed Khan with. They are nothing to sneeze at.
I had a lot of fun at the bantamweight fights. The crowd was lively and the room was nice. My predictions were wrong but the guys I was cheering for won.
The Mares-Darchinyan fight was fantastic. I was surprised with how large the Aremenian contingent was, I guess I didn’t realize there was any sort of sizable population out here. Going into the fight I thought that Vic would draw Mares into a dogfight and end it within the distance. When that cut showed up in the 1st it seemed it would happen sooner, rather than later. But Mares was really gritty. He landed some awesome body shots. Ultimately I just thought he wound up out-pressing Darchinyan.
I thought the low-blow penalty was inappropriate, especially considering that Mares had already lost a 10-8 round, and was bleeding badly at the time. Other than that I didn’t really have the same issues with the ref that the live thread seemed to. I talked to him for a bit after the fight. I was hoping to find out how you became a boxing ref. He took down my info and will be mailing me some information.
In the other fight I thought Perez just got his ass beat. He got countered. He chased Joseph around the ring. He seemed to get out worked, even though he threw more punches. Even in Perez’s best rounds, when he could get Agbeko to stop at the ropes, he ate some nasty punches. I was seated right next to Perez’s dressing room. As he walked back there he looked absolutely devastated.
After the Showtime event went off the air there was another fight: Eric Morel(42-2) vs Juan Jose Beltran (22-18-3). Morel hurt his opponent early in the fight, first or second round (8 rounder, btw) But the guy kept coming forward. Morel was obviously a much classier fighter, but he seemed like he didn’t really want to mix it up. He let the guy hang on, doing a bit of what could be called running. The boo-birds came out. In the 7th he hurt Beltran badly with a borderline lowblow, but he still didn’t press it to finish the action. He ultimately won an easy decision. He was booed, particularly by the Hispanic men in the crowd. Beltran impressed with his toughness.
Khan impressed me with this fight, yea the holding and running wasnt good but when his chin is suspect its how I expected him to fight, plus Khan throws alot of combos straight so he needed room to use that reach. He answerd some questions about his chin tonight. Gettin clocked like that from Maidana would hurt ANYONE. Khan stayed up right and took some more big blows. He dont have a chin of stone but he can protect it and survive if needing to.
Maidana is one mean S.O.B. He just looks like he wants to take your head off when he throws. His chin is something great to.
Cortez was bit off in parts. He should of done something about Khan’s holding especialy when he would but both hands behind Maidana’s head and pull him down. The piont deduction I had no problem with. On the replays Maidana threw back his elbow, Cortez not only saw it but it hit him on the shoulder so he must of been able to judge the power in it, and I dont believe he thew it to get Khan off.
"A hero has faced it all: he need not be undefeated, but he must be undaunted." - Andrew Bernstein
Maidana
Just when you think he’s hurt,he only grows stronger.Even when hurt to the body.
This loss didn’t alter my opinion of him as a fighter.He’s no doubt still a Top 4 140lber.
I really enjoyed it.
It was exciting to watch. I got the feeling that the difference was Maidanas punches hurt Khan rather than the other way round. If Maidana had hit him flush earlier, it might have ended differently. But he didn’t and it never. Credit to Amir though, he tool some thunderous shots. Pointless calling for a Prescott rematch now!
Joe Frazier did similar things to Ali in their first fight
No one screamed that Ali was the the Clay that Sonny Banks and Henry Copper exposed.
People need to get off Khans joint.
He beat Maidana…..and might have crushed him with his round one punches.
Watch for him to get even better.
His chin is stronger at 140 it seems.
And Maidana would give anyone fits.
Ask Ortiz
The fight will have done a lot for Amir’s future.He knows he can take big shots now,and constantly from a recking ball like Maidana at that.
I’m happy for Amir but admit i had to switch channels in the 10th rd when watching on the replay this morning.I didn’t hink he was gonna get through that!
It’s all part of his development and while i certainly think he is more than capable of beating Bradley and Alexander,talk of him fighting Floyd is definitely premature and even a bit foolish considering how easily he was regularly tagged by a relatively slow handed fighter like MM.
Naseem said it after the fight:
Too many fights like that makes for a shorter career. Khan needs to stick to boxing. Point proven, he hasn’t got a dodgy chin. Now box!
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 12, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
Randy.I think that’s what Phill was trying to say below but his posts are often hard to understand or make sense of. :)
Great minds!!
Khan does like a scrap but technically he is a boxer, if you get my meaning. He can outbox anyone currently and he needs to take his time, pace himself. To me, with all his talent, he is still only 24 and is a work in progress. He waited too long to get a world-class trainer and it will still take time to bring him to a finished article. But I don’t want to be hard on him, he’s doing fine.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 12, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
He will be just fine.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Cheeky twat.
but you’re right Matt. Thanks. ;-)
I had stayed up all night and watched both the UK and Vegas shows, meaning I made less sense than I usually do.
I think Bradley and Alexander both take him. Khan was lucky to survive.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I think Alexander gives him problems
But I think he owns Bradley. But I also think Bradley would beat Alexander. A lot of interesting style matchups between those three. Unlike Bradley, Alexander can punch when he sits on his punches, plus Alexander is a southpaw, so he can get closer easier. Against Bradley, I think Khan would just jab jab jab jab jab to keep the much shorter Bradley far enough away that Bradley can’t unleash his flurries.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The Top 4 in the division
in probably the deepest division (though 118 is arguably better) in boxing fighting each other means no easy fights for anyone.
Personally i would pick him to have the harder night vs Bradley but think he beats both.
After all,neither hits harder than Maidana and punch resitance was percieved to be Amir’s biggest (only?)weakness.
Of course,speed comes into it too but i just don’t think Bradley has the technical ability and Alexander the skills to beat him.
I’m not saying one or both won’t be close fights but i think Khan comes out on top,Maidana beats the loser of Bradley v Alexander and hopefully we get Khan v Maidana 2.
Maidana definitely deserves the rematch.
yea, but both are going to hit him more and cleaner than Maidana, and likely in combination. And, both will hit him with shit he never sees. With that said I certainly don’t think it’s a shoe in for either guy, I think Khan gives both guys plenty of trouble.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
yea, but both are going to hit him more and cleaner than Maidana,
I know what you mean about “the shit he doesn’t see”,and thats what i meant by mentioning their speed but no one at 140 right now is gonna hit him harder or cleaner than he was last night,especially in rd 10.
yea def not harder in a brute force sort of one shot power style.
I like Bradley’s mentality as much as anything. I hope Bradley gets through Alexander and then I think Khan v. Bradley could be a really great hard-core fan’s fight, and a general public fight in the UK. – Bradley gets no U.S. press love.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Yeah
i want to see Khan v Bradley more than anything (followed by Khan-Maidana 2) and i think we get to see that next year.
I also think Freddie would be on to Khan to fight smarter in any rematch with Maidana.I mean,fair enough,the animal just hunts you down and sometimes you just can’t get away,but Khan didn’t have to stand in front of the guy,asking to be hit!
I still think 126 is both the deepest and best division at the moment
118 and 140 are both pretty good too though. 140 just doesn’t look as deep now, since the big three/four have basically beaten all the major players in the division.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Oh
And 168 is still pretty damn good too
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah but thats sort of a half argument
As the best in any division can clean out the bottom. The difference is that at 140 they’ve actually done that. At 118, it hasn’t been done so much (although its getting done rapidly now) and at 126 we’re also starting to see it done with the notable exception of the really top guys not going at it (John, Gamboa, Lopez).
by journeyintosound on Dec 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to not fight like that again now. Yes, he took those shots, but he was clearly shaky. He needed some time to recover. Also, gesturing that he wasn’t hurt like that filled nobody.
To those people who said in the commentary that Khan is just hype -
Please, what crap. I thought Amir was absolutely tremendous last night. He showed skill, power, an okay chin and one heck of a heart. “Hype” is Devon Alexander, not Amir Khan. Let’s be serious.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
I agree.
I’d put Khan at a prohibitive favorite to beat Alexander.
I’m not sure Alexander could survive Maidana.
In fact, I don’t think he would
Oh he would be a big fav against Alexander but he is going to be severely tested and I don’t see him winning that fight. Khan has big issues with defense. Maidana is not fast, at all, yet Khan kept getting hit by his punches. Alexander is orders of magnitude faster than Maidana and honestly Alex can throw some bombs. I would hold off judgement of Alexander until the Bradley fight because I think the performance in the Kotelnik fight was because Alexander severely underestimated him.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 13, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions
I am impressed with Maidana
And Khan too, obviously.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
Does this leave Mares vs. Agbeko and Darchinyan vs. Perez? That would be great.
Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.
Some
of them monster shots that Maidana landed in rd 10 would have flattened many a 140lber for the 10 count.
Big respect from me to Amir,and to Maidana too.They put on a great show.
Khan v Maidana
I had it 114-110 with a 10-8 10th round to Maidana.
There was no doubt Khan deserved the win.
I just saw it now (i couldn’t see it live, but avoided the internet like the plague) and I have to say, I saw it a lot closer than most people here. A lot of the later rounds Khan did absolutely nothing… I’m not one of those who calls boxing “running”, but I think Khan did a lot of running and if you gave the 10th round to Maidana 10-8, it should’ve been closer than it was. Mind you, I was rooting for Khan too.
I still think he’ll be a great fighter, but he definitely needs to improve. Roy Jones was pointing out a lot of instances where Khan should’ve taken advantage of the big openings and mistakes by Maidana and he really wasn’t.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
But yes, he did show that he could take a punch… albeit in a Juanma Lopez/Mtagwa kinda way…
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
And a particularly bad night for Joe Cortez… Lord…
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
by Apprentice on Dec 12, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I thought a lot about Juanma
And considering Maidana is an elite junior welter and a huge puncher, I think Khans ability to survive and still fight two more rounds I’d an even greater achievement.
Juanma was dead in the round….but Mtagwe couldn’t even catch him or hit him. Had he been in that kind of trouble with a better, he would never have made it out of the round.
Maidana is better that the four to one odds he was given.
He spells drama…and trouble for any opponent
I had it 114-112 Khan.
I think the last two rounds, Khan was definitely on his bike; however, there’s a monumental difference between what Khan did, and what Dirrell – who someone compared Khan to – did against Froch. It would have been flat out stupid if Khan had stood in front of Maidana for the last couple of rounds, because he’d have been knocked out. He did what he could to stay on his feet, and when his legs were steadier, he rallied with combinations.
Of course he needs to improve. But he’s still only just turned 24. He’s come incredibly far in a really short space of time, and I can only see him moving onwards and upwards from here.
Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.
by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
he should have got on his bike sooner and more often if you ask me
Too many times he was standing in front of Maidana doing nothing but shipping shots. Get away and pump the jab.
by Sweet science on Dec 12, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
He should box and not trade. Yes, his hand speed will get him som KO's but as The Prince
said, these kinds of fights are not good for your longeveity
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Apprentice
Maidana took two 10-8 rds though.1 for the knockdown and 1 for the foul.
My scorecard wasn’t biased.That’s how i honestly saw it.Though Maidana landed soem big shots throughout,Khan’s combinations took most rds,imo.
BLH’s scorecard was a point wider to Khan than mine and two of the official ones were only a point closer.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Whta confused me was the way AK kept his head down and took those crunching uppercuts.
WTF was that all about Freddie?
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I thought
he was trying to imitate Manny,but;1/He hasn’t got Manny’s chin and 2/ he didn’t know how to defend the uppercut.
He made the fight a bit harder than it had to be,imo,though admittedly MM is a machine who hunts you down and is v hard to get away from.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
By
“trying to imitate Manny "i mean when the Pacman stands in front of his opponent with his hands up,inviting them to punch him,as he did with Clottey and Marg.
Khan should not do that again,imo,but i think he wanted to show his chin is not as bad as people thought.
He was undisciplined at times though.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
He tried to imitate Manny in more ways than one… he did that thing where Manny pounds his gloves together and also that one where Manny thrusts his arms in the air after getting hit a few times.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
100% agreement
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
meant for Matt and Phil
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Whta confused me was the way AK kept his head down and took those crunching uppercuts. WTF was that all about Freddie?
I remember Khan saying in a pre-fight interview that he was going to fight in a way that he had never done before and was going to suprise people.
Like i said,i think he wanted to show he could take a punch more than anything,but took it to far.
I would rather people say he was too reckless though and that he got hit too much than i would them say that he ran and fought defensively all the fight.
I just don’t want him to do that too often,as Phill and Randy mentioned.
He doesn’t need to and it would not be wise.
I gave Maidana rds 6,7,10 and 12,with 10 a teo point rd,as mentioned.
To be honest i didn’t start actually writing the scores down until rd 5 but it seemed that Khan won the first four to me.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think he did as well
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
That may be the difference… i thought Maidana won round 3 or 4, one of those two… i don’t remember now.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
I had Maidana taking the third – although it was very tight – and I scored the fourth as even. Nevertheless, I thought it was definitely Khan’s fight, and can’t really see much of an argument for Maidana having won. Cracking fight.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I have no issue with Khan winning… I just had it closer, like one of the judges.
I would’ve had no problem with Khan getting on his bicycle, if he had been boxing (a la Calderon, for instance), but it seemed to me that most of the time he was just evading and the punches were few and far between in the last rounds (and I don’t just mean 11 and 12).
Ironically, one of the things I think Khan did wrong was not box more. I mean, it could be because Maidana’s punches were taking a toll, but had he boxed like he boxed Malinaggi, it would’ve been a lot more impressive. Of course, Malignaggi has no power and Maidana hits with bricks so, no real comparison there…
All in all, I think Khan did what he needed to do, but it sure as hell wasn’t pretty. I do commend him because, unlike his compatriot Haye, he took on a fierce challenge and wanted to prove he could put the past behind him.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
You can’t box Maidana like you can Malignaggi. Not only does Maidana hit with thudding power, but he’s also relentless. The guy does not fucking stop. He’s a top pressure fighter, and that pressure neutralised Khan’s jab. It’s a huge credit to Amir that he still ground the thing out.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, i agree too (that’s why i said there wasn’t a real comparison there), but I was probably looking for a Pac/Margo type of fight – more one sided in favour of Khan.
Fire Steve Addazio
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Maidana - Khan
It was a pretty good fight. Maidana is a tough sob. I was a Khan glass chin guy. He took some tough shots in the tenth and made it through. Sure he hopped on the bicycle but he didn’t go down. He took the fight everybody said he was scared to take, took the punches everybody said he couldn’t take, and won a tough contest against a fierce opponent. He proved me wrong. Congrats to Khan.
MM is the kind of guy you would want to have with you in the alley.
He is abrute in there and will use whatever he can get away with to win. By any means necessary. I like him, but I like AK better. A very entertaining fight, but hardly a FOTY.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I think it might just make the Top 10 for the year though Ted.
Saying that,i haven’t seen some of these more obscure ones that have been mentioned yet.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I agree to thet, but Brick's fanpost has some unbelievable stuff on it.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Cortez continues to be overrated and too intrusive and too loud. Funny thing,
but if you compared his performance to that of Luarnce Cole’s in the Pac-Margo fight, you can see the diffrenec an “invisible” referee makes.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Hmmm. Perhaps Laurence Cole was too invisible, though? But yeah, that potential stoppage has been covered.
Cortez was crap. The point deduction was a joke, and I’m just relieved it didn’t play a large part on the scorecards afterwards.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think Cole, who is very savvy to the Mexican culture about not quitting, sensed Pac wasa going to carry him
in 11 and 12. He also gave Margo a dignified way to get out by asking him how many fingers he hed up. I really, truly think Cole did a superb job in that fight. Aside form that, you just never saw him, while Cortez is hollering at and grabbing and even pushing boxers all over the place. I don’t like him.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Contrasted to John-Juarez
Which was over-refereed even more than last night;s fights
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Was that JC also?
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
No, Laurence Cole
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Cole's reputation as being a horrible referee is well deserved
But honestly, he’s done mostly a decent job this year, other than missing two knockdowns in Dirrell-Abraham
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah I think Cole has improved steadily
This comes from a long time Cole Hater/Cortez Respecter, but Cole is now IMO a clearly superior ref to Cortez. Cole seems to finally have started to get “it” and Cortez is now terrible and should be stopped from reffing.
by journeyintosound on Dec 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I am even thinking about doing a piece on his staedy improvement.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Am I the only one who thought the HBO team (except for Roy) was lousy again?
I mean how off could they have been in the Ortiz fight? Even Victor had no issue with the draw. And Merchant got snubbed by MM in the post fight interview. Loved that a lot.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Oh I liked that
Maidana didn’t want to do any of the bs with the old dude.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I didn’t see the first fight, but I thought they were pretty competent in the main event, which shocked me. Lampley called a good fight, I thought. Merchant was mostly quiet. Roy was pretty good.
Bad Left Hook
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by Scott Christ on Dec 12, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I always learn more when it’s RJJr commentating.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Roy got a little annoying mentioning how big Khan was (149 if ya’ll musta forgot!) and that this was pretty much the only reason he could take Maidana’s punches. Does anyone have data on what Maidana or Khan usually weigh on fight night? I thought that Maidana would be a lot bigger than Khan, yet he wasn’t at all.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 13, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
Merchant is on another planet. He comes up with these stupid jokes like "this fight might be decided on
an elbow to Cortez’s shoulder." It’s embrassing, for God’s sakes. And then poor Roy has to chuckle-ha ha ha. Man, that’s some grim stuff. BTW, I AM talking mostly about the first fight because they all had it wrong.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I'm just sick to death of Merchant
he doesn’t enjoy boxing, he’s not a boxing fan, he’s just negative.
Merchant is the guy at the party who chimes in with overly cynical shit all the time, and the rest of the people just tolerate him – but nobody likes him and nobody enjoys his company. He’s Andy Rooney without the journalism chops.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
He also is the little guy in HS who like to make fun of someone and have everyone chime in with him.
A cruel little man. I think there was agreat song about mean little people once. Hmmm.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I'm a mean little person, so fu*k you!! ;)
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 12, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Give me Sean O'Grady
I really enjoy that guy. I think either O’Grady or Kellerman should replace Merchant – they’re both technical boxing guys who are still in touch with the sport.
I’ve enjoyed O’Grady on this weird World Series of Boxing thing – guy analyzes a fight well.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Merchant asked Maidana if he wanted a rematch
Maidana just sort of mumbled he would fight whoever as he walked away.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maidana shook his head like "stupid fucking question" - and then just walked off
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
Something
tells me if Maidana had KO’d Khan in the 10th this thread would have at least twice as many comments.
Sad but probably true. :)
You're not wrong.
I don’t understand why people aren’t willing just to accept that he showed a lot of skill and a tonne of heart last night? I mean, the “hype” comments have really pissed me off. Clearly Amir is not just hype.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I Hate
to say this and i don’t often,but…………………
Hater’s Gonna Hate. :)
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, guess so.
Meh, I’m just going to enjoy what have been a couple of great, great weeks for British boxing. After the whole Haye-Harrison debacle, Froch and Khan have really gone the extra mile to restore the faith!
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think most serious fans are giving AK his due. The guy showed he has a great chin.
He had something to prove even if he had to brawl to prove it. Now he can go on and shake the curse of what I still think was a fluke KO loss.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
The guy showed he has a great chin.
I don’t know about that Ted. He showed that just because he gets hurt, doesn’t mean the fight is over. And, I think he’s got a better chin than say, Victor Ortiz, who was getting bounced around by a real light touch. But, the gameplan against AK is as clear after yesterday as before: hit him on the fucking chin.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
hE TOO 25-30 OF THE DIVISIONS BEST PUNCHER AND STILL SURVIVED SO i AM GOING TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, MATE
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Ugh. Lte me try again. He too an inordinate number of heavy shots from the biggest puncher in the divisionand still
survived. We will have to agree to disagree on this one, mate.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Eyes are going fast today
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
"great" might be overstating it
Abner Mares, I thought, showed a “great” chin. Khan still was on weak legs for about three rounds after Maidana finally cracked him full force, but credit to him, he did get up and survive, and he proved his chin is WAY better at 140 than it was at 135.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If memory surves me correct AK did end that brutral round with a flully of his own.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Here is waht Haye had to say and I sort of agree with him:
"I have no doubt now, Khan can go on to beat the best fighters out there…It wasn’t as if he just took one great shot, he was hit with 25, 30 bombs!"
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Maybe "great" is overstaing it, but tested and reliable might be better
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I'll buy that
It looks a lot less like a fatal flaw than it did two days ago, that’s for sure.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He did
But I saw it as more of a ‘defense by way of offense’ flurry than anything, which is what Roach has been teaching him to do.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah yeah yeah
He actually might have been smarter to go down and get the 8 seconds to recover. There was no way that wasn’t going to be a 10-8 round anyway.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yea, got to give him credit – he’s definitely got a better chin than I thought before the fight.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
But I don’t think he’s as good as either Bradley or Alexander. I think he is a good chance against Bradley, which changed from a couple days ago, but he Khan has learned how to keep up on his feet. He still gets weak in the knees from shots on the chin but, unlike the Prescott fight, he has learned how to deal with that.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 13, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
yea, I’ll be interested to see how he takes combos he never sees – because that’s what both Bradley and Alexander will offer.
I’m trying not to be a cynic, because I was honestly impressed with Khan last night, but I still would pick both Alexander and Bradley over him.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
with you on Alexander, not so sure Bradley—no punch
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Yea, I think a lot of Bradley, I think the kid is tough as shit, cagey, smart and fast enough to hit Khan in combination. He’ll get hit with some Khan flak, but I think he’ll get to Khan repeatedly. And again, I’m interested to see what happens when Khan gets hit in combo, especially with unseen combos. Bradley can do that to him.
Mostly, I don’t think it’s a contest in terms of intangibles, even with the all new found respect due Khan. With that said, you can’t bring a donkey to the horse-race, even if he’s the smartest toughest donkey in the world. The question will be whether Bradley is a donkey to Khan’s thorough-bred. I don’t think he is.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
He got hit by incredible combinations by Maidana
In fact….and I quote here one of the better lines I’ve read on this fight:
“In the seventh, Maidana pummeled Khan around the ring, at one point landing another otherworldly combination: a double left uppercut followed by a left hook to the body. Despite his often crude approach to boxing, he has the violent imagination of a prizefighter”
And still Khan won the next two rounds easily dominating Maidana.
The 10th round was pure hell. Most fighter would have crumbled.
Here I am reminded of the grit of Ali in the 10th against Frazier…or, on a cruder level, Gatti against Ward.
Khan has to be given credit for what he did do.
He almost stopped MM in One.
If he does anything like that against any other fighter…it’s over.
And he survived MM.
I think Maidana beats up Bradley and knocks out Alexander
Great post!!!!!!!!!
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
it’s a completely different type of combination punching. Khan was mostly getting hit when he knew he was going to get hit, and while covering up. Different game getting hit when you don’t know it’s gonna happen.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I think
He still gets weak in the knees from shots on the chin but, unlike the Prescott fight, he has learned how to deal with that.
that working with Roach = conditioning
and that, along with a better fit at weight class, may have made the difference in taking heavy shots.
by Don From Prov on Dec 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
No, not at all
In the Prescott fight he gets wobbled and then lunges in to punch right back. In this fight he gets wobbled and either holds or runs away (aka he fights like someone who knows he can’t take multiple punches). Khan didn’t get flattened by the decent left hook of Prescott but the five punches afterward. Then got up and tried to lunge in again to fight and got KTFO.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 13, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is 'most of the above'
not an either/or.
AK definitely learnd a lot from Roach about fighting hurt.
Yet he has a lot more to learn.
A whole lot.
I believe Roach’s main advice…to fight at higher weights…also made a difference. Maybe the most.
And his conditioning cannot be discounted.
Neither he nor MM could have survived the 10th ad the 1st had they not been in incredible condition.
Yeah thats pretty much what i saw too. It was nice to Khan not trying to rush in after getting rocked, but he definitely has more things to learn.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 15, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
KHAN
Some people are trying to put Khan in the same class as Mayweather or Pacquiao. He is not up to that level of fighting yet. I doubt at this point he could go the distance with either Manny or Floyd M. He did put up a very good fight against an extremely tough opppnent. Now he needs to fight Prescott again to see if he can erase that loss off his record.
Who actually wants to see Khan fight Prescott again?
Like, seriously, come on. He fought a guy who punches ten times harder, and who’s also a much, much better fighter. Prescott was exposed long ago. Nobody needs to see him exposed again.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. If Kevin Mitchell can beat Breidis Prescott, you can sure as hell bet your bottom dollar that Amir Khan can too.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I had heard a rumour that Khan would rematch Prescott in the UK in the spring, should he get by Maidana,with the winner of the Bradley v Alexander fight to come in late 2011.
But i have since heard that Zab Judah could well be his next opponent.
I know which one i’d rather see him fight………ZJ.
If he rematched Prescott,i guarantee he would just fight a smarter fight and easily outpoint him.
If that rematch is to ever happen,Prescott has to work his way into contention at 140.
He’s not even in the Top 10.
by Matt Mosley on Dec 12, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
He would wax each one--maybe both on the same night. Stick a fork in Zab.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Zab might make sense
Paul McCloskey might be another who would make sense. He beats either one rather easily, but he’ll probably need to take a couple of easier fights anyway to give Bradley-Alexander time to sort itself out.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Not yet--NOT YET
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Meant for Tex
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
When he is at his best,
He is Manny good—or nearly (his angles aren’t as surprising)—but he isn’t able to sustain that speed and those combinations like Manny can. He fights in spurts of true greatness, which can be interrupted too easily when he takes a decent shot.
Hitting Khan hard may not stop him, but it still too easily takes him out of his A-game.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Yeah, I don't see Pac losing a round to Maidana
It would be completely 1-sided unlike this.
by journeyintosound on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I agree… this is why I wasn’t completely enamoured with his performance last night. I mean, I can give him his props for taking on a dangerous opponent and surviving, but I actually expected more from him in terms of boxing skills.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
Hype is
when you claim someone is something other than he is. Hype is any statement made by any boxing promoter.
Khan has very good hand/foot speed, and proved last night that he has heart and guts. He can go a long way with that set of skills. But he IS being hyped as something he is not by DLH and by Roach. That’s not his fault, that’s just the way it is.
"In war, as in prostitution, the amateur is often better than the professional". Napoleon.
Right. So by those standards, we should ignore the negative connotations people are putting behind the word “hype”, right? As far as I’m concerned, Amir Khan’s the real deal. Victor Ortiz, for example, is hype. Victor Ortiz is made out to be something he isn’t. Amir Khan does the business inside the ring. That’s good enough for me.
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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 12, 2010 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone who didn't enjoy that fight,
Not only are they miserable bastards, but they aren’t fans of boxing
"He boxed brilliantly in coming through a very hard fight," Hamed said of Khan. "But he’s my brother and I wish him no further fights like that. By the later stages it was really bad, and I don’t want to see him in any more fights like that. Fights like that shorten your career."
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
All the talk here today is about the Khan-Maidana fight…but what about Darchinyan? Is he finished being competitive at 1) his new weight and 2) his age. Being 34 at the lower weights is like 34 dog years…I think he still is competitive but not at title levels.
"In war, as in prostitution, the amateur is often better than the professional". Napoleon.
I thought Vic actually looked as good as he has in a long time
He was probably never going to be too successful at 118 – his style depends significantly on being able to bully his opponent, which he can’t do well when they are bigger than he is. But while he gassed out late (which I honestly think came mostly because he was dancing around in the ring in a way he’s never had to do before), he was still on target and fought very competitively with someone who seems to be a top tier fighter. If he fought against Agbeko the way he fought last night, I think he would have beaten Agbeko. And I also think that if, after the tourney is over, he decides to move back to 115, he could probably still rule the roost there.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
exactly what I was saying during the fight.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
On the bell-shaped curve, Vic is fast approaching the right hand side I'm afraid.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Liek I have been saying-heh heh- Danny Green is the top Aussie these days.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Abner Mares is fast becoming my favorite fighter
I took to him during the Perez fight, and his resilient performance last night was something to behold. What a great fight. Some of the shots from Vic sounded like cannon fire. Mares can box (loved those combos to the body), but as he showed last night, he can brawl with the meanest guys out there.
Agbeko/Mares should be a war.
Watching Maidana las tnight made me wish i could have seen Hatton vs Maidana around the time of the Tszyu fight,when Ricky was at his best.
To be honest,with Ricky’s style,my money would have been on MM.
Saying that
Ricky could throw some pretty nasty body shots and i have to wonder if that shot Khan caught Maidana with in rd1 had not been so close to the end of the round,would he have survived?
Imo
He wouldn’y have survived. Khan’s handspeed would have had Cortez jumping in
by Sweet science on Dec 13, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Just watched the recording of the HBO card, watched Showtime live last night. My opinion of all 8 fighters rose, except for Ortiz, which stayed about the same.
We can safely say Prescott’s KO over Khan was a total fluke, and that Maidana’s KO over Ortiz was the real deal.
I was very impressed with Abner Mares…He dealt with the blood river, getting knocked down, point deductions, and having a total maniac in front of him and he never lost his composure.
Can’t wait for the Bantamweight finals, anybody know when the projected date for that is?
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
Good points
We can safely say Prescott’s KO over Khan was a total fluke, and that Maidana’s KO over Ortiz was the real deal.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I think they were looking at March
But considering how bad Mares’s cut was, that might need to get pushed back a bit.
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Time way paast due for Lacy.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
"Nobody ever said boxing had a happy ending"
Quote attributed to Ted The Bull
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Back to Khan
We know that he can have a proper fight now. I am one of a few of us on here who doubted if he could pull out a performance like that. I take my hat off to him and look forward to seeing him fight again. He may be a bit special.
Sitting here watching tv, listening to some screeching bastard, reinforces my belief that the X factor is a f’kin insult to our intelligence. And this is the winner.
Unreal.
??????????????? wtf
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
You've just got it, Phil??
;)
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 12, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
i’ve only got one thing to say about khan: he rules.
I hate the Texans
by battle axe of doom on Dec 12, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions
I liked the Bantamweight fights a lot, though Perez lost--
and he surely did that: Agbeko was very good. And I don’t think that Darchinyan (this to a post way back) would beat Agbeko fighting the way he did against Mares. Haven’t seen the Ortiz fight yet (had to watch the Pats), but Khan showed a lot of heart in taking on a puncher like Marcos—and he survived more than one very good shot.
Ballsy performance—
I’d say that both Cortez and Webb (in Mares /Vic) made themselves far too much a part of the story.
For one thing, Cotez broke up action when Maidana was whacking Khan’s body and Webb did the same to Abner.
Don’t always like Darchinyan and can’t say I minded seeing him out-bullied.
Without the ref, he may not have survived. But he gave lie to the saying about bullies folding when stood up to—
Have to hand him that. I would also say that Maidana seems to have a conditioning issue: He flat out died for a few crucial rounds or he may have found himself the winner last night. Kudos for dissing Larry—Marcos is a nasty little guy.
So is Larry
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
But one
can back it up in real world terms :)
by Don From Prov on Dec 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
General Thoughts
Khan – I’ll put this out as a disclaimer. I really don’t like Amir Khan, at all. However, I expected him to destroy Maidana on the scorecards like 117-110. Maidana is a perfect set up for Khan to combo – run away – tag when Maidana comes in – repeat. However, Khan got caught wayyyy too often from Maidana but he learned how to stay on his feet (run and hold). So i guess thats a good improvement but Khan really needs to work on the defense.
Ortiz – Finish a fight. Seriously learn how to do this. You couldn’t finish Maidana, and now you couldn’t finish Peterson. So strange to think of Ortiz who has put down these two fighters twice in one round, then goes on to lose by KO and a draw. I’m not sure if it is a conditioning issue or something like that, but he needs to seriously fix that. This being said Ortiz has the speed and power to take out Khan in the first couple of rounds if he could finish something for once.
Maidana – The man has good power but he is still slow and will have trouble putting together multiple shots quickly unless he does some ridiculous damage on the first shot. Did a fantastic job considering this is a terrible style matchup for him. I actually want to see Paulie v. Maidana, and I think Paulie wins this matchup.
Peterson – I still love solid body work and Peterson brings the wood. Showed huge heart and he would be one of the top players in this division if he could just stay up and not get so many KDs. Thought he did quite well vs. Bradley and came back quite nicely against Ortiz. I think he has a good fight with Paulie and Urango, but the top of the division would kill him.
Mares – Holy sweet jeebus Batman you are awesome. That fight was awesome and watching you walk down Vic was a thing of beauty. Thought he was getting a pretty raw deal from the ref, with Vic holding the head down, pushing with his “jab”, and a bunch of holding. Mares showed an awesome chin and some warrior spirit fighting through a nasty cut pretty much the entire fight. He looks real good and its going to be a war with Agbeko!
Vic – Actually looked good when he wasn’t totally gassed. Tried to actually box in spots and looked good and awkward when he did it. I’m not super convinced that Vic has any power at this higher weight (what’s with that Armenians?) He is still a good boxer but not in the same class as anyone else in the tournament. Speaks to the fact of the depth of the bantamweight division instead of the how good of a boxer Vic currently is.
Agbeko – Don’t know if he has no power, but he hit Perez with some huge bombs. Came in with a gameplan and he largely succeeded in pulling it off. When he deviated, he got hit solidly by Perez but showed discipline and tried to return to it quickly. Excited about his fight with Mares cause its going to be non-stop action.
Perez – Well I guess he got beat by the guy with a gameplan. The strange plan of ducking and coming up from the duck with punches seemed to be an angle that Perez couldn’t deal with. That being said, I still like him versus the strange style of Evil Vic. Not really much to say here but he got beat.
Great day of boxing, I’m off to sleepy land!
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
Ortiz just isn’t that good.
Maidana is slow as dirt. And Khan is fast as hell.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
I;ve said it before and I'll say it again. Ortiz is a "head case." I mean why would he act happy
over the draw? Guy is strange. But I still like him because I like his personal story as I do that of the Peterson’s. Those two guys come to fight.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
If Maidana was a condition animal
and went to the body consistently early, he might find jaws more available to him a little sooner
And he might have more left to do something about it
He needs a little Margo infusion in that way, IMO
by Don From Prov on Dec 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I agree, Maidana got too focused on the head hunting, never seen anybody try to land such hard uppercuts. He wore himself out putting so much into those missed punches.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Dec 13, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Paulie-Maidana
That’s an interesting idea. I suspect MM will go back to Argentina for a very soft tune-up first, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him fight Paulie, re-match Ortiz (doubt it), Michael Katsidis (that could be a lot of fun) or the loser of Bradley-Alexander.
by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 13, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
MM-Katsdis would be incredible for as long as it lasts. MM's chin is very impressive.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I like Katsidis and Maidana too much to wish them against each other. You all are brutal! I wonder if Kats could handle a move up in weight? He is pretty solid for a 135’er.
"Mug an old lady, and if you have the right connections the WBO will rank you seventh." -Steve Farhood
by BloodMeridian on Dec 13, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think MM is under-rated.
He was better than Roach believed.
He has intangibles coming out the wazoo.
He has fast combinations.
And brutal boot.
look again at the 7th and the 10th round.
He is no ordibnary fighter.
He can bang because he creates opportunities.
And when he does, fuggetaboutit.
Then look at his defense and ability to withstand punishment.
That mans a lot in this sport.
That is why Frazier could be effective.
And Margarito is.
Maidana is a fighter.
and a great one to watch.
Mares-Agbeko
Abner Mares is a hound, and Agbeko looked like he did against William Gonzales and Luis Perez outboxing Perez. Mares, in my opinion was a blue chip prospect coming out of the amateur but he weighed 118 pounds. Once he beats Donaire or Montiel, he get recognition and Money he deserves, a great young fighter.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Dec 13, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions
By the way:
That blonde Corona girl is SCORCHING
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I would go for the brunette, but you do make a fair point.
"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi
by Waldo Rastel on Dec 15, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
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