How often do you agree with Harold Lederman's score cards?
by soulrise on Dec 13, 2010 6:45 PM EST
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PrintIf I knew how to create a poll I'd do so but since I don't I'll just ask. I was watching Khan/Maidana with a few buddies who generally don't watch boxing unless they're at my house and I force them. They were pretty entertained by the fight but at one point they asked me if I agreed or disagreed with Lederman's scoring. I disagreed with some of the rounds that he gave to Maidana so they followed that up by asking me in general do I agree with his scoring? That one really made me think because I usually tune him out and only vaguely pay attention to his scores. I ended up telling my friends that if the two fighters were of similar status/celebrity I agree with most of Lederman's scoring but when one fighter's popularity immensely outweighs the other I feel like Lederman gives the popular fighter way too much credit. But then my friends asked, "well isn't Khan more well known than Maidana?" at which point I told them I give up and can't really answer since I don't listen to much of HBO's broadcast team for anything.
The question has lingered though so I thought I'd ask you guys. What do you think of Harold Lederman's unofficial score cards? Do you think he gets it right most of the time, some of the time, or hardly ever?
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gOOD TOPIC BY THE WAY,
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
More often than I agree with the official cards. I’ll leave it at that.
by El Destruyo on Dec 13, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hate his voice
Why dont we ever see the headline "Psychic
wins lottery" in the newspapers?
But on a personal level, you will not meet a more decent or humble human being. The guy is a prince.
I exchange emails with him and his humility and candor is truly refreshing.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Oh well. I believe you Mr. Sares :)
Why dont we ever see the headline "Psychic
wins lottery" in the newspapers?
Probably 80% of the time
But more than half of those are no brainer type fights. I feel like there are usually a good 5 or 6 fights a year where I pretty strongly disagree with his scoring. A few that immediately jump to mind are Alexander-Kotelnik, Williams-Martinez I and Williams-Cintron.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The worse one he ever did was Maurice Harris vs. Holmes
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I agree with Brick. Basically, my feelings are summarized in his post.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
But I too don't like his voice,. He probably doesn't even like it!
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Meant for sick frank
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
He sounds like New York. I like it.
I actually rented an apartment to a Hispanic girl here in Mass., because I could hear NYC in her speech and knew she’d be cool. Seven years later she’s still the best tenant I ever had.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
He is a mensch!!!
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
I thought he was very good the other night.
He has his off nights but I never attribute it to prejudice or malice.
Most often I agree with him.
he is good enough that he makes me reconsider whether his vantage point gives him a better feel and view than my own…which it should but doesn’t necessarily guarantee with replays and such
I agree with him the vast majority of the time, and even when I don’t he does a good enough job articulating the reasons for his scoring that a lot of the time I end up changing my mind and agreeing with him after all.
He gets a bum rap. Merchant gets a bum rap. Etc., etc.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 14, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions
Usually I can see his justification for scoring a certain way
But there definitely are times I feel like he scores a round a certain way because that’s how he thinks the real judges will score it, rather than because that’s the way he actually saw the round. I feel like that was happening pretty regularly in Alexander-Kotelnik. Or maybe he just gets swayed by crowd noise as much as a lot of judges do.
All that said, if he was still a real judge, I would think he was one of the better ones.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Say what??
bq, Merchant gets a bum rap
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
You think Lederman's bad..
You want to hear Adam “Matt’s mate” Smith.
He’d make a dramatic event out an ant’s fart.
Teddy Atlas is the same way
Great commentator I think, but some of his scoring decisions are mindblowing.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
No. Teddy is a very shrewd and smart operator. He is well connected.
And he has found a lucrative home at ESPN.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
My bad choice if wording..
I meant dumb as in his scoring, I should have used silly or incorrect. I appreciate Atlas is no fool. (just wanted to clear that up)
by Phill on Dec 15, 2010 1:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Teddy Atlas
aka THE KISS OF DEATH . If Teddy tips someone to win think long and hard before putting any money on them .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Atlas is smart and articulate
But loves the sound of his own language.
As a commentator however, he often weds his own predisposed agenda or story line…either crafting his narrative to fit or worse, sticking with it too long.
I don't watch enough Friday Night Fights to know
But that’s weird that his scoring would be so off when he generally seems like an intelligent guy in all the interviews I’ve read. Does anyone here recommend his book?
I do. I reviewed it for another site and liked it alot, except for the chapter on scumbag Sammy the Bull,
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
His scoring is okay to as far as I'm concerned. It's his predictions that are woeful.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Sometimes I think/project(?) that he does that to try to encourage the man he really thinks will lose, hoping it will give him some heart. It’s actually pretty heavily against the odds for him to be wrong as often as he is, there’s got to be a reason. But if that’s his reason, it’s got to be backfiring by now—If I were going to into a fight and Atlas predicted my win, I’d suffer a back injury fast.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I think he intentionally tries to pick losers sometimes
His predictions are that bad.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He scores a lot of random 10-10 and 10-8 rounds
I can’t blame him too much though. I mean, his real job is to commentate. You can’t watch the fight as closely if you’re trying to think of what to say. Happens all the time when I do RBRs. Your brain just doesn’t process as much when you’re also thinking of ways to describe the fight.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I liked it--
It’s well and expressively written and captures his personality. It’s also got lots of interesting tidbits and boxing history that I hadn’t seen elsewhere.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Ok, Jim let me tell ya.
He’s alright at best, but he always gives the popular fighters more credit. For example, take a look at the Marquez-Pacquaio fights, he can be extremely bias. Ok, Jim, OK Jim, Ok Jim let me tell ya.
by 36_chambers_ofdeatH on Dec 15, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions
Ha
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
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