So who's seen "The Fighter"?
by soulrise on Dec 20, 2010 6:15 PM EST
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I saw The Fighter over the weekend and thought it was well done. Not sure if it's the sports movie of the decade like Sports Illustrated calls it in their latest issue but Mark Walberg and Christian Bale both give great performances. I had read an interview with Micky Ward about the movie before it was released so I knew his trilogy with Gatti wasn't going to be covered but some of the viewers at the theater yelled at the end "What? No trilogy with Gatti???" While I can understand how fans would naturally expect it to be covered I'm actually glad that it wasn't. Maybe it's just me but there's no way a fake choreographed movie scene could ever remake the epic wars that he fought with Gatti and not come out looking corny. The focus on Ward's family struggles and determination to make it were compelling enough without adding in Gatti.
If anyone else saw it what'd you think and where do you rank it in the pantheon of boxing movies?
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It looks turrible.
And I’m a huge Mickey Ward fan. Looks sappy and sentimental. A boxing movie for people who aren’t fans of boxing, like Million Dollar Baby.
Sure as shit not going to see it in the theater. Doubt I’ll bother to get it on NetFlix.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions
Million Dollar Baby was an excellent film
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 21, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the part where the gal hit her between rounds and paralyzed her, then instead of being DQ'd, as we know the Queensbury rules call for, because we're boxing fans, she was awarded the win.
That didn’t affect my enjoyment of the film at all. Like a baseball movie where one team hits a walkoff home run and the other team celebrates.
Maggie: Did you see the fight momma?
Earline: Now you know how i feel about that.
Maggie: I did pretty good.
Earline: You lost, Marianne. Ain’t your fault the way I heard it, but you lost. Don’t want to lost the rest of what you got left.
And then later in the movie Clint says something about, “I don’t have to tell you you didn’t win.”
She did win. She won on a fucking DQ. Learn the rules of the sport about which you are making a film or find a different sport to make a fucking film about.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 21, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure that they knew the rules
But just ignored them for cinematic value.
Honestly, I don’t get too bothered about innaccuracies like that when we are discussing fiction.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that stretch of the truth wouldn't bother anyone ...
… except boxing fans.
Which is why I said it was a boxing movie for non-boxing fans.
I know fiction. I’m an English major. I write fiction. There’s such a thing as a “telling detail” that demonstrates that the world the story inhabits closely resembles the real one. MDB fell down for me in that regard.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I said it was a boxing movie for non-boxing fans.
I’m pretty sure that a lot of boxing fans enjoyed it, even if you didn’t.
There’s such a thing as a "telling detail" that demonstrates that the world the story inhabits closely resembles the real one
It did, in that it differed in only a few details.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Dec 22, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
It did, in that it differed in only a few details.
Including the rules of the sport it was ostensibly about.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with the Kittias Kid on this one, by a mile
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Are there boxing movies for boxing fans?
Any mainstream film will be for non-boxing fans, as only a small minority of moviegoers and the public in general are boxing fans.
So by your logic, don’t watch any past or future boxing movies.
Stick to the indies, like “Boxing Gym”
by Polish Rifle on Dec 22, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Will do.
Also Tyson and When We Were Kings.
For features, Raging Bull is a good example of a boxing movie for boxing fans, or at least one that doesn’t betray the sport in order to appeal to a wider audience, or for the convenience of moving the plot along.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
When we were kings, sure
But Tyson was just Mike Tyson talking for an hour and a half, 99% of it not about boxing.
Is it more or less realistic relative to sports movies generally from other sports? If it’s more, then I can’t let it bother me much. There are VERY few sports movies that have actually captured the essence of the sport. Actually, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Hoop Dreams.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And maybe Murderball
But that’s another documentary, and I’m sure the 15 or so people who follow wheelchair rugby closely were probably also complaining about how it poorly portrayed the sport.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Murderball is awesome.
But I admit I don’t watch wheelchair rugby regularly.
But I’m also sure SB Nation is starting that blog like next week.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
It goes to the center of whether or not boxing is a sport or just barbarsim.
If a fighter is allowed to hit a fighter with her back turned in between rounds, it results in critical injury, and the offending party is not then banned for life but is rather then afforded the win, then it might as well be Romans in the fucking Colosseum.
Boxing is not like that. And to present boxing in that way to people who, as Polish Rifle says, aren’t necessarily fans of the sport does a disservice to the sport itself and is a slur against those who watch and enjoy it.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotcha
I haven’t actually seen the movie (and probably won’t until it’s on HBO), so I can’t comment too much. Does it make me a bad boxing fan if I’d rather watch Black Swan?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Black Swan is an absurdly great film. i’d take it over the fighter any day
I hate the Texans
by battle axe of doom on Dec 23, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
I just want to see Aronofsky back to form
Requiem for a Dream is probably in my top 5 movies all time, and I liked Pi a lot as well. The Wrestler was a good movie and all, but it was pretty straightforward, and The Fountain was just a bit of a misfire.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Requiem for a Dream?
Or Requiem for a Heavyweight?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiem_for_a_Heavyweight
:D
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
No, but according to some critics, it would make you a seeker of a movie that is so
blatantly obvious and heavy-handed in its attempts to create a psychological state
that it’s silly
On the other hand, a lot of people like Black Swan
And Aronofsky is pretty cool
by Don From Prov on Dec 23, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
No more than it makes someone a bad ballet dancer watching the Black Swan
These are movies. Meant to suspend imagination.
They are not commentaries on. Boxing or ballet
These are movies. Meant to suspend imagination.
Surely you mean ‘suspend disbelief’ and ’inspire *imagination*"??
I see no reason why a movie would aim to suspend imagination…. :P
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
And to you :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
AND ABOVE THE RIM, SURELY?!!!
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Over the Top
Air Bud
Mighty Ducks 3
The list of great sports movies just goes on and on!
WB
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Hahaha
Mighty Ducks….
What was that film about women playing baseball, and they find some really butch ugly Steve Buscemi look-alike to be their big-hitter? That was so bad it was almost good.
And what does WB mean?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
welcome back
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ah... thanks. :)
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
And that movie was A League of Their Own
Which wasn’t a bad movie I didn’t think. A bit sappy, but watchable. A step up from, say, Cool Runnings.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Cool Runnings is AWESOME!!
However, I’m not actually thinking of that film (although that was the one I described).
The one I’m thinking of has some fat girl hitting balls out the school gym skylights. I think it’s a different film, anyway. :/ I think the one I’m mixing it (League Of Their Own) up with is more about kids baseball, but some fat girl gets involved somewhere. She’s like semi-dense, or something, and has a proper hick dad. I don’t even know why I’m obsessing about this film now, but it’s bugging me. I only want to know the name so I can pretend for half a second that it’s a really good film, so you can shoot me down inflames and we can all laugh at the merry japes that ensue.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I'm actually trying to find the name of the film I have in mind
and I stumbled across this:
http://www.bostonbaseball.com/baseball_movies/
Some of those summaries MUST be piss-takes. MUST be.
Airbud:
Josh has gone to college and his little sister Andrea enlists their dog Buddy in her baseball team just as Buddy’s puppies are kidnapped by Rocky the Raccoon. (2002)
Battlefield Baseball:
Here’s a deliriously insane, over-the-top Japanese movie. Seido High’s baseball team is set to open their season against the dreaded Gedos, blue-faced zombie baseball players known for impaling, maiming and literally destroying the competition. Though initially reluctant to join the team, new student Yakyu Jubei eventually suits up, and helps to rack up the body count for the good guys. (2003)
Are these for real???
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
I cited Air Bud above
I can vouch that’s for real. Not sure what you’re thinking of though. Maybe The Sandlot?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Haha!! I completely missed that ref.
Hmm…..
If I can think of which film it is, I’ll let you know.
All I remember is that there’s some youth baseball team, or something, and there is some dump-truck of a girl about 13 years old hitting balls through the window… then there comes the ‘drama’ of whether she’ll be allowed to play (kind of like the Waterboy, lol) and she obviously eventually does, and hits everything out of the park, cos it’s a movie.
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
And I'm not referring to Airbud, either....
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Wait a minute, Kittias,
the fights in Raging Bull (a movie that I love) were so stylized as to almost be operatic.
And Raging Bull is about a lot more than boxing.
This is kind of a silly argument: Movies are for fun. We all like different ones.
by Don From Prov on Dec 23, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Scorcese put on a body protector and actually got IN THE RING with DeNiro and followed him around, having DeNiro throw punches at him
The fight scenes are full of body shots. What could be grittier than that?
Admittedly, when he’s fighting SRR and leaning against the ropes screaming for him to hit him, that’s a little over the top. But it doesn’t bend the rules of boxing to suit its own thematic statement or narrative.
DeNiro trained as a boxer and it shows. His hooks are a little wide and looping, but so were LaMotta’s.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 23, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Scorcese put on a body protector--
Jesus shit. LOL. Kid, watch the Wahlberg movie: The fight scenes are good.
No, it is not a great movie, but. …
And there was more than one over the top boxing scene (Fox fight) in the movie (they all were)
But I think Scorcese didn’t care: That wasn’t his point.
P.S. Wahlberg trained for a long time with Ward, and has a boxing ring at his home. Plus, he did time for physical violence :)!!!!! We are arguing things that are completely subjective here and I’ll back off.But I would propose a Marky vs. Bobby box off.
I might prefer LaMotta’s movie sweetie though.
by Don From Prov on Dec 23, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
P.S. The phony moment
that (I think) you mentioned in Million Dollar Baby bothered me. As did other things.
Of the three movies (Raging, Fighter, Million) Million Dollar Baby is my least favorite
But that is one person’s feeling.
by Don From Prov on Dec 23, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don, I hear you and respect your opinion, and agree that it’s largely a matter of subjective taste.
I’m just expressing mine and you are right that if I am going to slag The Fighter I should at least see it first, which is why I’ve had to offer all these qualifiers and caveats as I’ve waded in here.
However, as stated initially, I do not have high hopes.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 23, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I haven’t seen any of the fight scenes in the commercials, or at least not enough of them to render a judgement. Maybe that’s part of why I’m unenthusiastic? Regardless, they could be awesome. I offer no opinion there.
I know Wahlberg trains because he said if he were sparring with Pac and managed to touch him he would hurt him. Which got a big eyeroll from this cowboy, I don’t have to tell you.
I should see it and give it a chance, not dismiss it because of the commercials. you’re absolutely right.
Finally, a 1980 Cathy Moriarty definitely trumps a 2010 Amy Adams.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I can't really argue the last point--
Unless, of course, one is a fan of the (sexy) girl next door :)
by Don From Prov on Dec 23, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
The Boxer
Daniel Day Lewis doing his usual thing. He clearly spent some time in a gym for that one. It’s about as “real” of cinematic boxing and especially training as I expect to ever see. And a great movie.
"You can't search me without probable cause Or that proper ammunition they call reasonable suspicion Listen while I bring friction to your whole jurisdiction" - Fugees
by lcollins1 on Dec 23, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Love "The Boxer"
Actually only saw it recently. The fight scenes are extremely well done and true to life. No bolo punches and guys flying out of the ring.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 23, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely right. Perhaps the best boxing movie. Sure, some situations weren't quite believable - unlike Rocky (LMBFMFAO!!!)
But it was a very well made mvbie, well acted and directed and with an ending no-one would foresee. Sure, some smart-arse will say he saw it coming (LOL). If nothing else, it showed the dark and very real side of boxing which, in fact, would put off most non-fans of boxing.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Harder the Fall. Real boxers acting as Movie boxers. Jersy Joe and Max Baer doing the deal.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Sounds real.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm. I didn't care for it. Too melodramtic for my tastes plus the fight with Lucia was bogus.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Meant re
Million Dollar Baby
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Agreed, that was the worst part. Shame because Rijker was an awesome fighter and should have been made better use of.
But that’s being picky.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hardly sentimental
It definitely shows the trials & tribulations that Micky went through with his older brother and family but sappy and sentimental are two of the furthest adjectives that come to mind when I think about the movie. I think it’s worth at least a NetFlix.
There was one interesting boxing concept that did hit home for me.
When Ward was matched with full middleweight…..ad took a severe and unnecessary beating.
It made me think about how exceptional Manny Pacquiao is.
Bravery comes to mind. Always seeking Biggers challenges.
Bigger men.
Once he knew he could fight above 140…he just keeps going up.
Margarito outweighed him by 17 pounds.
And Margarto is a beast.
It also tells me that fighting Martinez is foolish for Pacquiao.
Not impossible…but not smart.
It made me think about how exceptional Manny Pacquiao is.
Doesn’t seem like you ever think about anything else, to be honest.
Most people don't know shit about boxing. At all. Period. - Roger Mayweather
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate your honesty...
But why don’t you tell me…. since you’re such a literal critic of the film’s boxing nuances …..who, among currently active fighters, would not have turned to his corner….as did Ward in this movie…and complained (legitimately) that their opponent was a full two weight classes bigger?
I’ll wait.
Ok, I won’t.
Manny Pacquiao.
BTW, you might do well to learn to appreciate films for their scripts and their acting ….and leave the facts for documentaries.
BTW, you might do well to learn to appreciate films for their scripts and their acting ….and leave the facts for documentaries.
Errr… when it’s based on true events….. I feel no need to complete that sentence…..
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Based on means just that Chaos. Based on....
Not literally fact for fact.
Maybe it would it have been better if I had said: "documentary films’….bit I think I made my point.
If anyone really cares to see the facts of 27-time arrested Dicki Eckland, here’s a link:
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/high_on_crack_street_lost_lives_in_lowell/
Brutal film.Reality is brutal.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
That's why I rarely like movies,
even those based on fiction. None of them ever look anything like any reality I’ve ever known (although the opening shot of Taxi all those years ago did get a spontaneous ovation at an NYC matinee whose audience consisted of aprox 80% cabbies waiting on shape-up). However, non-reality is the movies. I guess it’s their unreality that attracts so many people. I’m suprised The Fighter came as close as reports have indicated, myself.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Me too. Even though I am friendly with a lot of the principals, I have no great
compulsion to see it. I know Lowell and I know what crack can do, and I know what a dysfunctional family is all about. Put them together, and it’s like a Dennis Lehane book. The thing that apparently makes this different is that boxing is involved.
Gosh, I can remember watching Micky fight in the GG’s in Lowell when he was about 12 years old. Back then, he was more skilled than anyone else in the tournament and would always bring the house down. Even back then, the fans knew he was something special. Lowell is a boxing hub for amature fights in the Boston Area. But they have not had a pro fight there in decades.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
This story in the aggregate was ever bit if not more about the family and Dicky
As it was Micky Ward. Bale was amazing. Whether or not he could capture the true character of his crack addicted, criminal brother is another story.
Knowing the havoc wreaked by the drug…and hearing how many times Ecklund was actually arrested….it is pretty clear that the writers took some liberties in emphasizing his charms over the horror for story telling purposes. The reality had to be much more grim…for him, Micky and his whole family.
Bale ast his very best looks like a crack addict. Hell, all he has to do is play himself.
He was downright scary in The Machinist.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Saw it today. Great performances
by Melissa Leo and Christian Bale. Wahlberg and Amy Adams were good too.
As much as story about Lowell and about a family as it is about boxing—
But, the fights scenes are well done. You can’t go too wrong with this movie.
You hit the nail on the head
As much as story about Lowell and about a family as it is about boxing
- Perfect summary
good to hear
Now it sounds much more like a movie I really want to see than just a movie about Micky Ward, which is already something I’m at least going to see.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 21, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Great acting. Not just about Micky Ward, but about the entire town and his family. Yup.
I also thought it ended at the right spot. The movie is more about the issues he had to overcome to become a legitimate, top fighter…so once that was accomplished, the movie didn’t need to show any more. Boxing fans know how epic his trilogy with Gatti was…it would be hard to recreate.
All in all, one of the better movies I’ve seen this year.
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mean to keep picking at this movie I admittedly haven't seen, but ...
… that fight didn’t make him a top fighter. He won a bullshit continental title from Shea fucking Neary then turned around and lost his next fight.
Really, the only thing in Ward’s life that warrants having a movie made out of it is the trilogy with Gatti, but I am glad they didn’t do it as a feature and hope it gets done as an awesome documentary. I would rather not have to sit through Marky Mark chewing scenery to get to enjoy it.
“It’s me in there! Not you! Not you!”
Jesus christ. How can a guy who is actually from Boston do that crappy of an accent? His mouth looks like he’s sucking on something all the time.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
For reference:
The most recent fighter to have held the belt that Micky won in that fight is Lee “The Aberdeen Assassin” McAllister
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=148337&cat=boxer
Not exactly “in the mix” with all those great 140ers we have going now, as he subsequently dropped back down to lightweight.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Really, the only thing in Ward’s life that warrants having a movie made out of it is the trilogy with Gatti
You mean the only thing in Ward’s boxing career, because his life story is actually very interesting and “warrants a movie” as much as anything “warrants a movie.”
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've read the Micky Ward bio "Irish Thunder"
If you’re looking for a family with drug problems and familial discord I have triple-digit candidates in Kittitas, WA for you.
There may be some available in the larger cities as well, but I would have to check.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
But did HBO do a documentary about your candidates?
And did you see how their families had to deal with the embarrassment and aftermath of said documentary? And did those candidates persevere through those hardships while still staying loyal to their families to find greater success? If so that’s awesome, I know a few real-life heros like that myself, but I think it still makes for a great movie, I actually wish more stories like that could be told.
And did those candidates persevere through those hardships while still staying loyal to their families to find greater success?
Movie ended in 2000. Since then, Dicky was arrested for crack in ’06 and is facing trial on domestic assault and attempted murder charges stemming from events in ’09.
So I guess you’re going to have to elaborate on the “greater success” part for me.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 22, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
When I said "hero" I was referring to Micky
And his perseverence in overcoming the drama & odds to find success.
by soulrise on Dec 28, 2010 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mickey is a lot of good things, but hero is not one of them.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
How So?
I’m personally of the Pierce Eagan, all-boxers-are-Heroes mentality (unless they’re really rats [fill in the blank with your most loathed one], which is rare).
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
I wrote an article on this for another site. If you send me your email, I shall send it to you.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
don’t have yours to send it to—check my profile, just for today.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
Heros?????
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
How can you go on about something you haven't seen
It’s a movie.
If you like boxing, watch boxing.
If your critiquing movies, watch them.
I'll give it a go based on that. Thanks, Donno.
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing complex--
It’s a good movie Won’t change the world or anyone’s life
But Melissa Leo is terrific as Ward’s mom, the sisters are pretty funny (as are a number of moments), Bale is great
and Amy Adams and Wahlberg do a good job The fight scenes are fine too (didn’t like the first one that much though)
The Neary fight, seemed—to me— a great place to stop
Like anything else, if one doesn’t want to see it, then it’s unlikely that anybody will force them at gun point
There are worse things in life than looking at Amy Adams (for what it’s worth)
The movie was more about Eklund and the family than Ward. I really enjoyed the story, but I think my expectations were too high. I thought it would be more uplifting and inspirational.
I thought Leo, Bale and Adams gave great performances. Wahlberg was not impressive to me. He couldn’t convince me that he was someone other than Walberg the actor.
Amy Adams was extremely sexy and watching it in the theater was worth it just for the larger-than life close ups.
These days, The Boston area provides the grist for many a movie. This is simply the latest in a long series
that began with the Brinks JobANand the very bestThe Friends of Eddie Coyle The most recent is The Town which glorified bank robbers and killers. I hated that movie for those reasons as well as the Fenway scene was way over the top. I’m expecting that the The Fighter is more like Monument Avenue and Southie. It’s more about a dysfunctinal famil yin a mill town than it is about boxing and I suspect you have have to take it in that context in my opinion.BUT I HAVE NOT YET SEEN IT.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
The town was a strong film Ted
And Lord I would hate movies if they removed the scumbags.
In fact, i would hate boxing if they removed them as well.
I hated it with awhite hot rage. Glorifying killers just makes me boil. Partuclarly scumbag types
like the ones in The Town. Also, stereotyping of the Irish, though in truth, most skillful Boston area bank men seem to be of the Shamrock colors.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
What's wrong with glorifying bank robbers--
I mean, they are robbing bankers, right?
Not when they kill innocent people, F--k 'em and f--k Hollywood for it.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Aw, sheet. I so loved that bank-robbing Faye Dunaway too!
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Faye Dunaway was a fox back in the day
Being younger, some actresses surprise me like that. Never think of them that way until I see their old stuff. Jane Seymour is another one.
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"Younger"
I guess I’m not that young anymore. 32 is an old fart for the internet.
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Let's get philosopical about the word
“innocent”
or better yet just lust after what Faye Dunaway used to be (I can say “used” as I’ve not aged at all)
by Don From Prov on Dec 24, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Faye's still hot - a t least she was this morning when I left.
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 24, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In your moist dreams!
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
The finest kind
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 24, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Have not had one in some time
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
There are exceptions
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
As in Ali Macraw
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
She was so hot In the Getaway
Damn that Steve McQueen.
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah she sure was. That Ben Johnson made the most of that situation. Damn
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Two dirty old men, you and that Ben Johnson.
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
That a yepper
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Both with dodgy moustaches!
I don’t consider Peckinpah the greatest director ever but I love all of his films and that was one of my favourites of his. Great humour in his films. In Pat Garret and Billy The Kid, Billy shoots the sherrif, Bob, who’s loaded up his shotgun with small coins of the realm, with his own gun. His passing quip is ‘Keep the change, Bob’.
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 23, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Peckinpah broke ground.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Guys, I think we are getting close to a spoiler here. May have already crossed the line.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Where would the world
(and Ted’s new book) be without scumbag killers of the innocent
Can’t have a shepherd if the sheep don’t need tending, eh Clarise??
Is that supposed to be a Silence of the Lambs ref?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
err.... ok?
Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)
Bastardo. Touche. You got me dead center on that one.
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
Sho' did! Keep the change, Ted! ;)
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 24, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
That's the way to do it
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by Randy Loathsome on Dec 24, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
"That time of the month, eh Clarise.?"
I don't take personal insults well. My wires are such so that when it happens, i'm not going to put on head gear, lace up the gloves and put in the mouthpiece. I'm going to drop the gloves and just let the adrenaline take off.
rofl!
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