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The Bad Left Hook 100 For 2010: Ranking the World's Best Boxers

Both Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito made the Bad Left Hook 100, though at very different levels. (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images)

This is a project I thought to get drunk and do about a week ago, but instead I'm doing it hungover. I hope some of my good humor remains from the 17 Maker's and Cokes I had last night, as I also think I might still be slightly drunk as I start this in the morning. (Note: I finished at night.)

The idea here is sort of a top 100 pound-for-pound as it stands right now, a snapshot in time to close out another year of boxing. And this year definitely had its highlights and its dead months and its messes and controversies and B.S. and all of that jive. But it's not meant to be taken all seriously, either. I'm sure I "underrated" your favorite fighter. "No way is Carl Froch that low!" or the like, and that's great and all, but honestly? For honesty's sake? I don't care if I didn't rank your favorite fighter. It's just a stupid list.

Happy reading.

Note: This is really long. If you want some extra toilet reading material, this might be worth printing. And if you don't like it, you will then have an immediate use for it.

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002abrahamimg_3638_medium 100. Arthur Abraham

How can I put this nicely...hmm. I've got it: It was a crap year for Arthur Abraham. The German-based Armenian went 0-2 in 2010, getting pretty thoroughly outboxed by Andre Dirrell before a foul thwarted any comeback Abraham might have been making and resulting in a DQ loss to boot, and then later being dominated by Carl Froch. Watching Froch-Abraham was sort of like watching a football team (American rules, to be clear for our commie foreigner friends) getting stuffed constantly. Abraham's miserable non-showing against Froch was one of the worst performances in recent memory by a major fighter. It doesn't mean he can't come back from it. He's got Andre Ward next, and an upset win over Ward would not only vault Abraham into the Super Six finals, but it would basically revitalize his career, which right now is sort of reeling. Everyone and their mama and their mama's dog has called Abraham a one-speed, overrated fighter since the Froch fight, and with good reason. Now he has to prove he's more than that. To be honest, I don't think he can, because I don't think he is. Abraham is not the fighter many thought he was.

99. Orlando Salido

Salido won the IBF featherweight title from rival Cristobal Cruz in May, knocking Cruz down twice in the second round en route to a pretty wide decision victory. In September, Salido turned up as about the 13th choice to fight Yuriorkis Gamboa on HBO, and he did his best, but Salido just wasn't good enough, though he gave it his best shot and probably troubled Gamboa as much as anyone has as a pro.

98. Librado Andrade

Andrade fought just once this year, recovering from his KO-4 loss at the end of '09 to Lucian Bute with an RTD-8 win over a game but outgunned Eric Lucas in May. At 168 pounds, the rugged Andrade is sort of on the outside looking in as the Super Six finishes up, and he's already 0-2 against the division's other star (Bute), so there isn't a whole lot for him to get after. He could move to 175 soon. With his limited ability and fan-friendly style, Andrade would be a welcome opponent for a lot of people.

97. Ricky Burns

Honestly, I don't think Burns is all that good a fighter. He's sloppy, doesn't have the best chin, and is miles away from any sort of amazing talent that makes you turn your head. But he's maximizing what he does have, and a lot of the time that's just as important as having a ton of natural ability. He worked hard, got a 130-pound title shot in September, and to the shock of most everyone who isn't Scottish, knocked off Roman "Rocky" Martinez in one of the year's bigger upsets. And his first cupcake defense against Andreas Evensen went as expected, as Evensen had no business fighting for a major title, even in the sorry super featherweight division.

96. Jhonny Gonzalez

Jhonny Gonzalez, as we've oft discussed on this site, is a tremendous fighter. A wonderful talent. Great boxer. And he has a terrible chin. If Jhonny Gonzalez had even a mediocre chin, he'd be in the top 20. He's that talented. He's also marvelous fun to watch fight, because you never know if he's going to get sparked, even if he's cruising, and he comes to fight.

95. Edgar Sosa

Last November, Sosa was fouled like a son of a bitch by Rodel Mayol and then wound up knocked out mere seconds later, losing the 108-pound title he'd held for two years and defended constantly. In 2010, he came back and moved up to flyweight, going 4-0 against mediocre opposition. He's a WBC favorite so he'll get his title shot sooner rather than later, and while I wouldn't say he's "earned it" at 112, his years as titlist at 108 make for a solid enough reason from where I sit. I mean, it's boxing. Who really earns their title shots anymore?

94. Satoshi Hosono

"Bazooka" won a couple of easy fights this year and picked up the Japanese featherweight title, but his real coming out party was a very close loss in a good fight to Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym in January.

93. Danny Green

Danny Green may not be the legend he believes he became by punching wobbly old shot Roy Jones Jr. in the ear last December, but he's a good fighter. He also finally became an actual cruiserweight this year with his win over BJ Flores, where he outboxed a taller guy who was supposed to be the better technician in the ring. That fight was supposed to be brawler Green against boxer Flores, but instead Flores did his shtick where he feinted a lot and didn't throw enough, and Green took him to school at points. It was a good, solid win that helped Green erase a little of the stigma following his sad wins over faded Manny Siaca and whatever you want to call the Paul Briggs disgrace.

92. Cristian Mijares

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That poster is from 2009, but it's so incredible I'm using it anyway.

From 2005 to mid 2008, Cristian Mijares had a terrific run, highlighted by a complete mauling of Jorge Arce in 2007, along with wins over Alexander Munoz and Jose Navarro, among others. But then it went to pot when he ran into Vic Darchinyan in November 2008 and was completely obliterated by a strong, arrogant fighter who clearly thought little of Mijares' style or ability. After that, he lost a controversial decision to Nehomar Cermeno, and then a rematch, which was totally clear. After three straight losses, Mijares put himself back down at the bottom of the ladder and fought his way up. That culminated in a win over Juan Alberto Rosas in December of this year, putting another super flyweight trinket back around his waist. It was a quiet and fine comeback for the Mexican slickster.

91. Moruti Mthalane

Mthalane (26-2, 17 KO) only fought once this year, beating Zolani Tete in September. He's a really good fighter who hasn't gotten his global due yet, and might never.

90. Miguel Vazquez

After his, erm, "shocking" win over Breidis Prescott in the summer of 2009 on Friday Night Fights, Vazquez found himself without a fight for a year. When one did come, it came in the form of a crack at the vacant IBF lightweight title, against another limited brawler, Ji Hoon Kim. Vazquez made mincemeat of Kim winning a near shutout decision in Texas. In late November, he did the same thing to Ricardo Dominguez in Mexico. Vazquez (27-3, 12 KO) luckily has a title, or I don't think many people would want to fight the guy. He's still a virtual unknown, doesn't have a pretty undefeated record, and has really come into his own. His only career losses have come to Saul Alvarez (SD-4, Vazquez's pro debut), Timothy Bradley (UD-10, 2007) and Alvarez again (UD-10, 2008).

89. Raul Martinez

Another flyweight, and one who like Mthalane, might be best known as a post-Vic victim of Nonito Donaire. Martinez, 28, is one of my favorite "other guys" in the sport. I have no belief that he's going to become some great fighter; he probably won't. But he's enjoyable to watch and seems to bust his ass. In 2010, he beat John Alberto Molina, demolished Gabriel Elizondo, and then had a damn good fight with Rodrigo Guerrero on Top Rank Live in November, winning a split decision in an IBF eliminator. The San Antonio native could be one to watch if you're the sort who keeps track of titles, and WHO ISN'T that sort???

88. Luis Concepcion

25-year-old Panamanian Concepcion is just demolishing dudes these days, which wasn't all that notable when it was the likes of Roberto Leyva or even Eric Ortiz, but when he blitzed Denkaosan Kaovichit in the first round, knocking Kaovichit down three times, eyes opened. Nobody should be doing that to Kaovichit, but Concepcion (22-1, 17 KO) put himself on the map as a very dangerous flyweight contender with that one.

11_21_2009_wilfredovazquezjr_medium 87. Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.

Vazquez (20-0-1, 17 KO) was a breakthrough fighter this year, and has become an Integrated Sports PPV favorite. In February, he took on Marvin Sonsona for a vacant 122-pound belt. Sonsona came in the far more celebrated prospect, as like all other young Filipino fighters with legitimate promise, he was The Next Manny Pacquiao, which is sort of like the army of guys from the past 45 years who have been The Next Bob Dylan. There's one Bob and one Manny, and it should be left at that. But that night in February, it was Vazquez who systematically tore Sonsona apart, winning by fourth round knockout on a body shot. I liked Vazquez coming into that fight, and was one of the few who had him ranked in the top ten at 122 pounds. After that, of course, he shot into the lists like a bullet, and deservedly so. Whether Sonsona is mentally there or not (he's not), he's a talented fighter, and Vazquez ripped him up. Vazquez followed that with a dominant TKO-10 over former amateur star Zsolt Bedak in May, and in October showed some flaws against fringe contender Choko Hernandez, but came out the victor and got better as the fight went along. Vazquez, like a lot of his fellow Puerto Ricans of recent vintage, does come off as perhaps unnecessarily cocky, and that might turn some off. But he's a real talent.

86. Jorge Solis

Lately I've been considering calling the Solis brothers "one of the best brother tandems in all of boxing." I mean there are only a couple that are even worth mentioning as notable brother tandems, and I wouldn't be lying, but we're not exactly talking about the Klitschkos or the Marquez boys when talking about Jorge and Archi, so what would my point be? Mostly I would hope that someone would read it, try to get angry about me "overrating" the Solis brothers, and then figure out that it's hard to argue because technically it's true, so maybe I'm being kind of a dumbass, but I'm not wrong, you know? Jorge went 3-0 this year, beating Francisco Cordero, Mario Santiago and the great Likar Ramos.

544px-kell_brook_portrait_cheryl_tweedy_t_shirt_030310_courtesy_steve_parkin_medium 85. Kell Brook

Kell Brook is right there as one of the better welterweights in today's crappy welterweight landscape, the good news being he's one of the young talents that might help make the division uncrappy in the next couple of years. In 2010, Brook laid waste to Krzysztof Bienias, Michael Jennings and Philip Kotey. No, it's not murderer's row, but he handled his business when there was business to handle, though the Jennings fight was an odd letdown with the way it ended, and the fact that Brook didn't quite seem to quite get out of the starting blocks before it was over. But what do I care, really? That fight was long overdue and I wasn't all that interested in it, anyway.

84. Daniel Ponce de Leon

Hey, I like Daniel Ponce de Leon as much as the next guy. He has made some legitimate improvements in his game, both offensively and defensively, and has gotten himself back into contention at 126 pounds after years at 122, where he won title belts and got spanked by Juan Manuel Lopez as a parting gift from the rising new force of that division. Of course, the trouble for Ponce's future is that now he's at 126, where Lopez resides now, where Yuriorkis Gamboa is plying his trade, where there is a lot of talent. So again, I like Ponce de Leon. I really do. But I can't help but maintain the feeling that eventually his key weakness -- lack of speed -- is going to once again be exposed when he's in with someone better than Cornelius Lock, Sergio Medina or Antonio Escalante.

83. Michael Katsidis

Hey, speaking of guys who tend to get "exposed" when in against top fighters, here's Michael Katsidis. If there's a boxing fan out there reading this who doesn't like Katsidis, please stop reading this site and don't come back. That said, we've seen Katsidis' peak. It probably came against Joel Casamayor, a fight he lost anyway. I just don't think there's a whole lot left for him to do, because he's simply not quite good enough to do more than he's done. But this is a guy who fights because he truly loves the game, and that's something you don't see a ton of anymore. Katsidis has never made excuses for losses, and never gotten to a point where he just wants to take easy fights, maybe grab some paper title belt to hoist over his head and defend against schlubs, and take it easy while proclaiming himself the greatest. Michael Katsidis wants to actually earn being the best in the world, and he's proven that by fighting top fighters. How could you not like this guy?

82. Joshua Clottey

I would tell you what Joshua Clottey did this year, but you all know he turtled for 36 minutes against Manny Pacquiao, so we'll leave it at that. Frankly, I've written more than enough about Clottey this year considering his effort for 2010.

81. Antonio Margarito

I promise you I didn't put Manny's 2010 victims back-to-back on purpose. That's just the way the cookie crumbled, y'all. Margarito was "game" and "valiant" against Manny, but he was also "overmatched," "way out of his league" and "got his ass kicked something awful by a guy he's a lot bigger than." Truth be told, I'm kind of sick of talking up Margarito's effort. Yeah, he came to fight, and it was an enjoyable one-sided beating, but it was a one-sided beating. Let's not make more of it than it was. But he takes a better beating than just about anyone, I'll give him that.

80. Erislandy Lara

If I had done one of these in 2009, I'd have probably had Lara somewhere between 80 and 100, figuring he'd jump into the 60s or 50s in 2010. He did not make many strides, though, and his future seems a bit less bright than it used to. Of the recent crop of Cuban exiles (COMMUNIST REGIME COMMUNIST REGIME), he's the second-best so far, but that might not hold for long. Lara started his year well with wins over Grady Brewer and Danny Perez, but then took big steps back against William Correa, Willie Lee and Tim Connors.

79. Shane Mosley

It was a rough year for Sugar Shane. In the ring, he gave Floyd Mayweather Jr. a scare in May before getting routed, and that was the last we really saw of the old Shane Mosley. After that we got an old Shane Mosley fighting to a terrible draw against Sergio Mora, and as much as I feel Mosley won that fight by scoring rounds of boxing, I really don't think anyone won that fight, and certainly the folks who paid $55 for it on pay-per-view didn't win anything. Now he's left Golden Boy Promotions so that he could secure a 2011 fight with Manny Pacquiao on May 7, which already has boxing fans groaning. Shane's a longtime favorite of mine, but that bird is cooked.

78. Ryan Rhodes

Now this might be a point where you would ask me, "OK, do you really think Ryan Rhodes would beat Shane Mosley, Erislandy Lara and Antonio Margarito?" And I would answer that I think he has as good a shot at beating them as they do beating him. Rhodes is a damn good fighter and doesn't get his due. Of course, Ryan also didn't have the best year, as he missed his biggest fight against Lukas Konecny with injury, and scored wins over overmatched Luca Messi and Rocky Junior. Hopefully the former "Spice Boy" can get back on track in 2011. At 34, time's not on his side, and boxing politics are never going to be on his side as he tries to get a major international fight.

Gennady-golovkin_medium 77. Gennady Golovkin

Golovkin (20-0, 17 KO) isn't the biggest middleweight out there at just 5'10", but he's got a ton of skill and is one of the most promising prospect/contenders in the game today. At 28, he's got plenty of amateur experience and hasn't carried over any "bad habits" from his pre-pay days, either. He's an aggressive, confident fighter, and he wiped out his opposition this year. True, it wasn't the greatest opposition, but he did what he was supposed to do and then some against both Milton Nunez (KO-1) and Nilson Julio Tapia (KO-3). Hopefully that fight with Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam gets made.

76. Dmitry Pirog

Another emerging middleweight contender, Pirog is 30 and had a major coming out party this year. Matched against American prospect Daniel Jacobs in the main undercard bout of the Marquez-Diaz II pay-per-view, Pirog wasn't supposed to win. But after five excellent rounds of action, Pirog flattened Jacobs and came out the surprising winner. Those who saw him that night are clamoring to see him again, but he's all but disappeared since then. HBO does keep mentioning him when they have middleweights on, though, so he's apparently at least in their thoughts for 2011.

75. Beibut Shumenov

Shumenov impressed a lot of folks when he pretty well dominated Vyacheslav Uzelkov in August, but one shouldn't forget that Shumenov got a 100% gift decision over Gabriel Campillo in January. He's far from perfect. But it's not hard to like his ambition and his savvy. He's like a young, Kazakh version of Oscar de la Hoya, except not as good in the ring and probably won't be driving teenage girls mad any time soon. The upside of that is that he probably won't release any Godawful music. He'll waste no time in 2011, fighting Juergen Braehmer on January 8 in an effort to unify two belts at 175.

74. Kelly Pavlik

Of the many top names who had bad years in 2010, Kelly Pavlik might have had the worst. He fought just once, losing to Sergio Martinez in April. It was a really good fight and I thought the best Kelly had looked in a good while, since at least the Jermain Taylor rematch. But it was part of a spiral for the former middleweight champ. He had had some trouble before that fight, and after it was nothing but trouble for "The Ghost." He canceled a fight with Brian Vera for the Pacquiao-Margarito show, then wound up in rehab for alcohol-related issues. Here's hoping Kelly gets back in the groove. He might not be the fighter we once thought he could be, but I still think he's good, and maybe we'll find out that focus -- or lack thereof -- was a bigger problem than anything physical.

Uchiyama_l_medium 73. Takashi Uchiyama

Uchiyama came into 2010 a virtual unknown outside of Japanese boxing circles, but started fast with a win over Juan Carlos Salgado in January to pick up the WBA super featherweight belt. Sadly, Uchiyama spent the rest of 2010 holding a belt hostage in Japan and not fighting relevant competition, scoring wins over Angel Granados and Roy Mukhlis. He takes on Takashi Miura in January, and that could be an early sleeper fight for 2011. I like the matchup a lot. As for my thoughts on Uchiyama, he's arguably the best in the world at 130, which ain't sayin' much since that division is so relentlessly awful and depleted. But the guy can fight, and I like that he finishes people when he gets the chance. He could have cruised to a decision over Salgado, but scored a 12th round TKO instead to put an exclamation point on the big win.

72. Celestino Caballero

TIMBEEEER! The big skinny tree took a tremendous fall with his November loss to Jason Litzau, which proved a couple of things. First off, Caballero does not look special at all when he's in there with someone he doesn't dwarf. I've harped on that before, during, and after that fight, but it just cannot be overstated. When you take away Caballero's height as an advantage, he is absolutely not the same fighter. But it also proved -- sort of along the same lines -- that he's not a 130-pound fighter. He's just not. Caballero is a freak of nature at 122 and 126, and sure he's tall and long at 130, but his power doesn't carry up that high and his arrogance seems a lot more hilarious. He's still a legit fighter at 126, though sadly for him, that loss to Litzau has probably wiped out any chance he has of landing a major fight with JuanMa Lopez or Yuriorkis Gamboa. Everyone at Top Rank is still going to know that Caballero presents serious problems for both of them stylistically, but now the demand for one of those fights is non-existent. And Caballero is 34 years old, too, so working his way back into that demand is probably not going to happen.

71. Ulises Solis

Here's one way that I think Jorge and Ulises actually do resemble the Klitschkos and Marquez brothers. I don't really have any strong opinion on which one is better in a historical sense. I mean, nobody's going to be debating this for years or anything like you might with the Klitschkos, and as famous as Juan Manuel has become, Rafael was/is in my opinion just as good (there was a time when I had Rafael ranked only behind Floyd Jr. in the pound-for-pound sense), so I think that's a great debate, too. But the Solis boys are on basically the same level themselves. Jorge hasn't accomplished as much, but he also hasn't had the same chances. Ulises might well be slowing down for good, but he was robbed of a title win in December in Argentina, which would have made him a two-time titlist at 108 pounds. I'd actually love to see him try his hand at 112 next year, maybe rematching Brian Viloria.

70. Omar Narvaez

I'm not going to lie and act like I have a lot to say about Narvaez. He's a good boxer who has zero ambition and enjoys hiding away in Argentina and mostly fighting crap competition. He's never going to get the respect he probably should, and it's his own fault.

69. Nehomar Cermeno

Cermeno is a Venezuelan native now living in Panama, and rose into the diehard boxing fan line of sight with a pair of wins over Cristian Mijares in 2009, which he followed by knocking out Alejandro Valdez that same year. In 2010, he lost a couple of extremely close decisions to Anselmo Moreno in Venezuela and Panama, and closed the year out with a bounce-back win over an inexperienced foe in Panama. Cermeno is a second-tier guy in the incredibly hot bantamweight division, and because he has no name value in the States, probably will find himself outside looking in along with a few other guys, Moreno being the best of that lot.

68. Mzonke Fana

Congratulations, Mzonke Fana! You're the default top 130-pounder in the world according to one a-hole's rankings! You did it! The dream has come true! Fana is probably best known for being absolutely pulverized by Marco Antonio Barrera back in 2005, but to be fair to Fana he's gone 8-1 since then fighting back home in South Africa, including a win over Malcolm Klassen in 2007, and in his lone fight this year, a win over Cassius Baloyi. Baloyi handed Fana his only post-Barrera loss in 2008 by majority decision, so avenging that one was pretty big, and it put a belt on Fana, too. He's a good fighter, but that's about it. If the division beefs up, he'll probably become an afterthought in no time, because the upside isn't there for him. This is as good as he's going to get.

Poonsawat-paba_medium 67. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym

It's not often that guys this small are called "rugged," but Poonsawat is a rugged little dude. He's listed at 5'4½", but that's a load. He's probably closer to 5'2", tops. In his 2009 title win over Bernard Dunne, the Irishman towered over him, but couldn't keep the relentless little Thai brawler off of him. Poonsawat is one of those guys who clearly loves a good fight. His January win over Satoshi Hosono was one of the overlooked fights of 2010, and he knocked out Shoji Kimura in May. His year didn't end on a high note, losing his 122-pound belt to Ryol Li Lee in a bit of an upset on October 2, but Poonsawat seems like one of those guys who could be around a long time, like countryman Pongsaklek Wonjongkam.

66. Elio Rojas

It was damn near a wasted year for featherweight titlist Rojas, who owns the WBC's trinket. He had a win over veteran Guty Espadas Jr. in February, but that was it. Rojas was being set up to fight Yuriorkis Gamboa in August, which could have been a great little matchup and had some potential to be a stern test for Gamboa, but it fell through because of injury or politicking or whatever, I don't remember and I don't care enough to look it up. Point is, it didn't happen. Hopefully, though, Rojas will get more active and get a major fight in 2011. I wouldn't count on it, because he's promoted by Don King, but it'd be nice is all I'm saying.

65. Alfredo Angulo

Alfredo Angulo had his issues outside the ring this year, but what he did when he was in the ring was good stuff. Angulo is limited, but he's a pure monster pressure fighter and a ton of fun to watch. He's a bomb that can be defused, but bombs are no fun to deal with even if you know how to defuse them. His wins over Joel Julio and Joachim Alcine were quality, even though Alcine is well past his best days, but he probably got more reaction for turning down a career-best payday to fight Sergio Martinez, with the guarantee from HBO that win, lose, or draw, they'd give him another fight. That took some wind out of the sails of his enthusiasts, but hopefully it'll be a forgettable footnote.

64. Raul Garcia

Raul Garcia is a good fighter and you don't care because he fights at strawweight. He did fall a little this year, though, to be serious for a moment. His loss to Nkosinathi Joyi is nothing to be ashamed of, as Joyi is a wonderful talent, but he lost really wide, and he barely escaped a fight with the inexperienced Luis de la Rosa in October, too. Garcia may be heading over the other side of the hill.

63. Kermit Cintron

I hope Kermit Cintron releases an autobiography someday. For one thing, I'm sure it'd be at least a little bit interesting. He has an unusual background and came to boxing differently than most guys do, especially most guys with Puerto Rican roots. But I'd also like to read in-depth, first-person examinations of some of the things in his career. The Sergio Martinez draw being one, his meetings with Antonio Margarito, his career-best win over Alfredo Angulo, what it felt like to nearly decapitate Walter Matthysse, and the complete debacle that was his cinematic dive through the ring ropes this year against Paul Williams, which led Cintron to a stretcher after he lay motionless for several minutes on the arena floor, only to wildly flail his arms while strapped down and proclaim his great desire to continue fighting. Kermit Cintron is one of the weirdest goddamn guys in boxing, so weird that you often forget he's actually pretty good.

62. Victor Ortiz

Oh, Victor Ortiz. When people talk about "hypejobs" and don't include Victor Ortiz on their list of overblown young fighters, it pains me. There is not a more overhyped young fighter in the sport. Ortiz "recovered" from his 2009 loss to Marcos Maidana by rattling off wins over three shot guys and a nobody, then got in the ring in December with Lamont Peterson. Ortiz, to his credit, should have won the fight, but he walked out with a draw, and if either Patricia Morse Jarman or Dave Moretti had found just one more point to give to Peterson, then Lamont would have scored a majority decision win. That Ortiz didn't win that fight despite knocking Peterson down twice in round three is kind of a stunner -- he had no business not walking out of a ten-round fight where he decked Peterson twice without the win, but he pulled it off. It's not a physical issue. Ortiz is a strong, pretty sturdy junior welterweight. He's got legit power in both hands, throws well in combination, and has improved his defense pretty well over the last three years or so. It's a mental thing with Ortiz, who has been accused by former friend Robert Garcia of being scared to get hit and not being quite the jovial, stand-up guy he's made out to be. Of course Freddie Roach has basically said that Robert Garcia is a world-class jerk, so I'm not taking Garcia's word as gospel or anything. But there's an X-factor missing from Victor Ortiz. He might well have a long, successful career, but Golden Boy wanted him to be the new Oscar. He won't ever come close to that.

61. Nathan Cleverly

At 23, young Nathan Cleverly is not showing signs of becoming The Next Joe Calzaghe, which was his immediate tag because they're both from Wales. Unlike Calzaghe, Cleverly seems ready, willing and able to go abroad as soon as possible and go after some major titles at 175. I'm not really knocking Calzaghe here, because Joe was a great fighter and I've got nothing against the guy, but he and Cleverly just seem to be tremendously different personalities. That said, there's a downside to not being Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe was incredibly smart in the ring, knew how to disrupt rhythm as well as anyone, and got a lot out of doing a little. He was efficient. Cleverly is not that type of guy. Against Karo Murat, Cleverly went out and warred just to prove that he could, and he won a good fight that he made harder on himself. In December when he faced Nadjib Mohammedi, Cleverly didn't seem totally focused or at his best. He got out of there with a win, but it shouldn't have been that close, even granting that Mohammedi came in on short notice and is sort of a pain in the ass fighter. There are big things on the horizon for Nathan Cleverly, and it's time to shake the prospect tag for good. He's still got some polishing to do on his overall game, but who doesn't at 23?

60. Gabriel Campillo

Speaking of pain in the ass fighters, here's one of the best. Campillo was robbed in January against Beibut Shumenov, and his attempts to force a mandatory rematch (which would have been a third fight between the two) fell on deaf and dumb ears. Campillo is in sort of a rich man's Miguel Vazquez position that I talked about earlier. He's so good, and his record so unpretty, that nobody wants anything to do with him. Having a belt really helps a guy like that, but when they get jobbed out of one, it's easy for them to fall through the cracks. Since none of the major light heavyweights wants a damn thing to do with him, Campillo is now targeting the European belt as he heads into a new year.

Sakio_bika_medium 59. Sakio Bika

Fighters in today's boxing landscape don't come much rougher or meaner than "The Scorpion," which is seemingly at odds with his actual personality. Despite his reputation as a nasty fighter in the ring who will do what he has to do to get an advantage, the real person outside of the ring seems like quite a nice guy. Boxing is weird like that sometimes. Guys who seem like gentlemen in the ring are sometimes bastards out of it, and vice versa.

There have been times since Sakio won the best season of "The Contender" in 2007 that Bika has been lost in the shuffle, and that almost happened again in 2010. A fight with Allan Green to decide the Super Six replacement for Jermain Taylor in February fell apart, and then Bika had no interest in joining the tournament later, but managed to land a fight with Andre Ward anyway. In a tight, action-packed, foul-filled brawl, Bika came up short in Oakland with one completely heinous scorecard that saw a Ward shutout somehow, and reaffirmed himself as one of the better fights in the class.

58. Ryol Li Lee

Lee, 28, started his 2010 with a February win over Kazunori Takayama to claim the vacant Japanese featherweight title, and defended it successfully against Hisashi Amagasa in June. But it was his step down in weight to super bantamweight in October that really jumped him up the list, as he took the WBA title from Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym at Korakuen Hall, where Lee has fought every one of his 19 professional bouts. He'll move to Ariake Colosseum for a bout with Akifumi Shimoda on January 31.

57. Denis Lebedev

While I wouldn't say Lebedev was robbed against Marco Huck in December, he was definitely a victim of hometown scoring for the German. Lebedev knocked out Ignacio Esparza in four rounds in February, then creamed Alexander Alexeev in two five months later. His fight with Huck promised action, and though it wasn't as explosive as it could have been, Lebedev had the normally fearless and hyper-aggressive Huck backing down, which is no easy feat. It would be great to see those two rematch and settle what feels like unfinished business.

56. Felix Sturm

Sturm got back in action this year, reportedly buying out his contract from Universum and going all but off the grid in German boxing by promoting himself. That might mean Sturm was sick of the patsy schedule he was facing as a long-standing top middleweight, as Universum had matched him with the likes of Jamie Pittman and Koji Sato toward the end, which was damn near disgraceful given that Sturm is actually talented. Occasionally you'd get lucky and someone like Randy Griffin would actually put a scare into Sturm and produce a competitive fight, but for the most part Sturm was living on Easy Street with his WBA belt. After a year out of the ring, Sturm came back to completely dominate Giovanni Lorenzo in September, having basically no trouble along the way. I later saw a super dramatic highlight video of that fight, which was basically slow-motion jabs for three minutes. It was pretty awesome.

55. Troy Ross

By my count there are four legitimately top-line cruiserweights out there. We just mentioned Lebedev, and Ross is second on the list. At 35, Ross has sort of had a wasted career, but the upside of that is that he's 35 and doesn't have the wear and tear on his body that a normal 35-year-old fighter does. In June, he faced Steve Cunningham for the vacant IBF cruiserweight belt, which meant that the American Cunningham and Canadian Ross had to go to Germany to find their division's audience, which is a shame and all, but just the way it is. Ross was giving Cunningham all kinds of trouble before Ross suffered a bad cut, which was the result of a foul and not a punch, but the TKO-5 win for Cunningham, who went down in the fourth, stands. Ross deserves a rematch that he probably won't get.

54. Tavoris Cloud

In August 2008, Cloud earned a mandatory title shot at the light heavyweight belt that was at the time held by Chad Dawson. Dawson, despite his reported financial troubles, has only seemed to want money fights since beating Tomasz Adamek a few years ago, and Cloud, who has zero fanbase, was not on his radar. But instead of fighting, Cloud sat on his mandatory for a year, until Dawson had vacated the belt and the IBF put the vacant strap up for grabs between Cloud and Clinton Woods. Cloud beat Woods to win the belt, then sat out another year before defending it against Glen Johnson. That came about because Cloud decided to bail on his former management and promotional team to sign with Don King, which of course led to some legal mumbo-jumbo. I found it odd to pick Don King as a promoter if you truly want to fight more than your annual August rumble, but to the credit of both men, Cloud got back in the ring in December against Fulgencio Zuniga after edging Johnson in August. So that's good. Cloud is one of those guys who I think will be generally enjoyable to watch for his career, but he has a lot of flaws and it appears his power has been overrated, which isn't so bad since he's got enough to keep guys honest and can bang when he has to.

53. Vic Darchinyan

Vic would probably rank at least 15 spots higher if he were still fighting at 115 pounds, but at 118 he loses a lot of what makes him who he is. Guys at 118 just don't seem intimidated by him, a big part of that being that those three pounds seem to really sap some of his power. Darchinyan has even made noise about fighting at 122 sometime, which I guess would be fine if he wanted to face Jorge Arce again, but that's not really Vic's style, so instead I figure he'd just get destroyed by somebody he's better than pound-for-pound. Darchinyan did go 2-1 on the year, but his wins over a brave but hopelessly outclassed Rodrigo Guerrero and veteran mediocrity Eric Barcelona (Ron Mexico?) said a lot less than his loss to Abner Mares did. Darchinyan is 34 now, and he just doesn't work at bantamweight, where the money is. Not like he works at 115. Time might be running out for the latest "Raging Bull," but Darchinyan has surprised folks and come back strong before, so time will tell. And I don't believe in time.

Marco_huck_02_medium 52. Marco Huck

Huck is, as they say in some parts of our great country, a real sumbitch. He's mean, aggressive, reckless, strong, and cocky. And he's also got a reputation for being dirty in the ring. That's why it was kind of oddly satisfying to see Lebedev back him down. Huck is a bully -- a bully I like watching fight, but he's a bully. And as far as I'm concerned, if you can't connect some sort of nonsense "extra" to watching boxing, you're going to get too hopelessly mired in the sport's constant barrage of bullshit to get consistent enjoyment out of it. Huck-Lebedev became theater to me, really. Lebedev was just as tough and strong as Huck, but didn't have that nasty reputation, and it was sort of like good conquering evil, except in the end evil got the duke and good was left to ponder whether or not there's really any justice in the world. That reeks of sequel to me, but again, constant barrage of bullshit, so I won't hold my breath.

51. Lamont Peterson

Yes, I have Lamont Peterson ranked 11 spots higher than Victor Ortiz, but keep in mind that you could jumble this stuff up pretty well from about 13 down, especially in packs of 10 or so. Peterson is not remarkably better than anyone ranked from 90-100, even, just higher on my list. It is what it is. Peterson has now given good accountings of his talent against both Timothy Bradley (which he lost wide, but it was a competitive wide) and Ortiz, so I think we've confirmed that he's definitely the better of the Peterson brothers. This isn't a Solis situation.

Maidanamarcosgbp410nf1_1_medium 50. Marcos Maidana

As far as meanness goes, I've often said I think it's the single most underrated quality in boxing. Bernard Hopkins is the proverbial cerebral assassin, but I think a big reason he's been Bernard Hopkins is that he's constantly pissed off at something. Marco Huck makes a living on meanness, so does Sakio Bika. But Marcos Maidana might be the nastiest guy in the sport today. He's not a foul machine or anything, but he appears to be an incredibly unpleasant human being when he fights. I think his angry nature in the ring is a big reason he got up from that vicious body shot combo that put him down in the first round against Amir Khan in December. If he didn't have that level of attitude, he might have stayed down. He was being overwhelmed by Khan's speed and precision. But he got up and kept hunting Khan until finally catching him square in the 10th round and battering the Brit all around the ring. It was a great show of guts and resolve from Khan, but it was also a great show of stubborn persistence from Maidana, who could have gone away any time in the first nine rounds but refused to stop his pursuit of Khan's head. Realistically, I still don't think much of Maidana's skills, but he has the sort of X-factor that, coincidentally, old foe Victor Ortiz just does not have. He's dangerous every minute of every fight. But he also almost lost to a badly worn-out DeMarcus Corley in Argentina before fighting Khan, so hopefully he learned to not take anyone lightly this year, too.

49. Andriy Kotelnik

I don't like to throw around "robbed" when I talk boxing. It's an abused term applied to every sort of close fight ever. It's ridiculous. It makes me hate when people talk about boxing. I want to shake them and tell them to stop it. I want to delete their posts and ban them. I want them to shut up. And I know plenty of smart people really think Devon Alexander deserved his win over Andriy Kotelnik. We had some great discussion about it on the site, and I respect those opinions in that way you can respect something you absolutely do not agree with. But as far as I'm concerned, Andriy Kotelnik was robbed against Devon Alexander, and I will never, ever feel differently. From my seat, Kotelnik clearly won that fight, and it wasn't close. The best case for Kotelnik now might be a rematch with Maidana.

48. Robert Guerrero

I know Robert Guerrero is talented and all, but the guy just does nothing for me. I don't know what it is. I'm sure everyone has these fighters, guys you know are good, and you don't actively dislike them or anything, but they just do zilch for you, you're never excited to watch them fight, and you never think much of anything they do even when it's impressive. Guerrero is a damn fine boxer, but if he won the lottery and retired tomorrow, I don't think I'd really notice. He had a good 2010, though. Though he did have to sadly to cancel a fight with Michael Katsidis when Guerrero's wife took ill again, he fought three times on the year, beating veteran Roberto David Arrieta, former lightweight champion Joel Casamayor in one of the most depressing fights I've ever watched, and Vicente Escobedo, the latter of which was easily his best win of 2010. He's targeting a title at 135 now, which will go great with the paper titles he won at 126 and 130.

47. Steve Cunningham

A few times a couple of years ago, I called Steve Cunningham "The Nicest Man in Boxing." To my delight, his promotional team actually ran with that and included it in his press releases and stuff. I thought that was really cool, and was happy to have contributed something positive since I'm so often such a Debbie Downer. Since his 2008 Fight of the Year candidate against Tomasz Adamek, Cunningham's career has stalled. He's still largely considered the best cruiserweight in the sport, but promotional issues and other nonsense have kept the now 34-year-old "U.S.S." out of the ring too much. He signed with Sauerland to get more active, but fought just once in 2010, his iffy win over Troy Ross. Cunningham is probably another guy who's headed down the other side of the hill, and it would be a shame if that's the case, because it feels like we only got to see flashes of what he could have been due to prolonged periods of inactivity.

46. Hozumi Hasegawa

This is sort of a tentative ranking, really -- it wouldn't feel right to not have Hasegawa here, as he went from top 10 P4P guy at 118 to a loser to Fernando Montiel in a fight I felt he was winning until Montiel's power got him, and now he's trying a comeback at featherweight, a two-division jump that started well with a very good win over Juan Carlos Burgos. There is a lot of "wait-and-see" here with Hasegawa at the moment.

Tavoris-cloud-vs-glen-johnson_medium 45. Glen Johnson

Hey, Glen, would you mind aging sometime so we can tell if you're human? I thought Glen had made his last stand in late 2009 when he was thoroughly outboxed by Chad Dawson and made to look old, slow and finally out of his depth against top contenders. And as good as he looked against Yusaf Mack in February, it was still just Yusaf Mack. But then he fought tooth-and-nail with Tavoris Cloud in August, and came back just three months later, moving down to 168 pounds for the first time in a decade, and put a beating on Allan Green in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. What the hell does this guy eat? And as crazy as it would have sounded no less than a few months ago, is anyone counting him out of winning the Super Six at this point? Glen Johnson is a joy to watch, a credit to boxing, and a class act through and through. Sometimes people talk about appreciating Bernard Hopkins' incredible career more once he's retired, but I think Glen Johnson's winding career is going to really catch some people by surprise in retrospect. He's had a hell of a journey, and he's not done yet.

44. Rafael Marquez

A lot of people thought Rafael Marquez was fighting too heavy at featherweight, and I do agree that he is, but he can still fight at that weight and put more than a couple of jolts into Juan Manuel Lopez in a losing effort in November. That fight lived up to its promise, cut sadly short when Marquez had to quit due to an injury after eight terrific rounds. Rafael also evened the series with Israel Vazquez this year in a fight that I don't think anybody respectable really regards as a true part of their historic and magnificent rivalry. Rafael is getting old (he's 35) and probably won't be beating any of the best featherweights any time soon, but I'd pick him to beat Chris John, I think, and I just hope we get a couple more classic Rafael Marquez fights before he hopefully heads out of the sport on his own terms, as healthy as he can be.

43. Anselmo Moreno

Moreno is one of the top bantamweights in the world, and one of the most ignored top fighters in the world, too. He's really good -- nobody gets two road wins in Germany over a standing titlist and then continues going on the road to beat decent or better fighters without being really good. But as Brick astutely pointed out when I once wondered aloud if Moreno might possibly get some U.S. TV time sometime, he's also incredibly dull to watch, and I think he'd definitely have serious problems against the other top bantams -- guys like Montiel, Donaire, Mares, Agbeko, Perez, I'd pick all of them to beat Moreno.

Carl Froch 42. Carl Froch

Carl Froch had a very good 2010 and might finally be getting his earned respect as a very good fighter. His war with Mikkel Kessler took a lot out of both men, and though Froch came out on the losing end, he lost zero respect. And after that he made Arthur Abraham look like a hack in a shockingly easy win. Froch has been a personal favorite of mine for a while, even though I thought his obsession with Joe Calzaghe bordered on crazy for a while, and it was nice to see him have such a good year. But perhaps the most memorable thing of Froch's 2010 is going to be Rachael Cordingley endlessly screaming during his fight with Abraham. That was an incredible vocal performance.

41. Koki Kameda

I know nobody cares about this but me, but back in the 90s in Japan, there was a pro wrestling stable called Fuyuki-Gun, who later were called Team No Respect, which is a horrible thing to be accused of in Japan. They were great fun. The Kameda family sort of reminds me of Fuyuki-Gun. Anyone who knows their pro rasslin', I think, can see that the Kamedas do what they do in order to gain notoriety. And it has worked. But Koki, Daiki and Tomoki are all good fighters, too. I'm a big fan of Koki, in particular, and I'm sure I have him ranked higher than most would. But his loss to Pongsaklek Wonjongkam was a good loss to have, and he came back from that just yesterday to defeat Alexander Munoz and pick up a title at 118 pounds, making him a three-division titlist (108, 112, 118). And don't forget that these guys all have a lot of career ahead of them. At 24, Koki is the oldest brother.

40. Yonnhy Perez

It wasn't quite as good as his 2009, but Perez's 2010, despite being winless, was solid stuff. In '09, he made a big rally to stop Silence Mabuza in South Africa, then beat Joseph Agbeko in a war on Halloween night. This year, he and Abner Mares stole the show on the unfortunate Vazquez-Marquez IV card, fighting to a spirited draw. Perez then signed on for Showtime's bantamweight tournament and lost a rematch to Agbeko, which looked similar to their first fight except with the scores going the other way. Perez is tentatively set to face Vic Darchinyan next in a consolation fight, basically, but that's a lousy way to put it since it's two top fighters who will be looking to win and get another title shot.

39. Chris John

Every now and again I almost slip back into the habit of "hating on" Chris John, but I do know he's a good fighter. John sat out most of 2010 with injuries, returning after 15 months off to win a fight in December against non-threat Fernando David Saucedo in Indonesia. John is part of that moronic WBA puzzle at featherweight, and supposedly he's willing to fight anyone in the division, including Lopez and Gamboa. Whether or not that actually happens is a whole other ball of wax. John's handlers have not been shy about saying they think the 31-year-old is past his prime, and I bet if the money men behind him in Indonesia had their way, he'd hide out at home and continue to fight the likes of Saucedo, Roinet Caballero, Zaiki Takemoto, etc. But John seems like he's actually thirsty for a challenge. He's a skilled boxer, but not as quick as he used to be and I think he'd be in for a terrible night against someone like Lopez or Gamboa, who are hard hitters. Rocky Juarez rocked Chris John pretty bad, and that's just Rocky Juarez. John's one of those guys I hate to say was overrated, because he is/was a really good fighter, but also hate to say was underrated, because the complaints about a lot of his title defenses are valid.

38. Sergiy Dzinziruk

Eh, pass. As ridiculous as I find his Ring ranking, that's about all I really have to say about Sergiy Dzinziruk. It's good that he signed to fight in America from now on, but he's also 34 years old and probably doesn't have a whole lot of big fights in the tank at this point. His May win over Daniel Dawson was his first fight in almost two years, not that that was his decision, really.

37. Joseph Agbeko

Welcome back, Joseph. After not fighting for over a year following his loss to Perez in 2009, he came back in December to avenge that defeat. He didn't look the least bit rusty or out of sorts. In fact, Agbeko looked revitalized, which is rare for a guy coming into a tough fight after that long of a break from the ring. Whether or not "King Kong" can handle the young and talented Abner Mares remains to be seen. Personally, I like Mares a lot in that matchup, but Agbeko is a tough nut to crack with his style and the fact that he'll gladly get chippy if it comes down to it.

36. Chad Dawson

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Another guy for whom 2010 was a lousy year. Dawson came into the year in most P4P top ten lists, and rightfully so. He'd earned a lot of respect for wins over Tomasz Adamek, Glen Johnson (twice, once definitively) and Antonio Tarver (twice, in dull fights but clearly Dawson wins). I don't think anybody expected Dawson to become a superstar or anything. He wasn't that sort of guy. Quiet, almost shy on interviews, and just someone who went about his business. A long, productive career was easy to see, but we weren't looking at some crossover household name or anything.

Dawson had a lot of reported financial issues out of the ring this year, but I don't want to focus on that. One problem is that he fought only one time. After his November '09 handling of Johnson, Dawson sat out until August to wait for Jean Pascal to get healthy enough for a fight. Dawson also had to go on the road, as his fight in Connecticut (his home state) with Johnson in November had done a bad house and Dawson's safety-first performance saw him booed at home, which is a rare and frankly depressing thing to see.

So off Chad went to Montreal to fight Pascal, and he ... stunk. He stunk the joint out. Sure, Chad came on late, but it was all for naught when the fight was stopped on a cut, giving Pascal a technical decision victory. And why did he wait so long to come on anyway? Was he doing his best Rocky Juarez impersonation?

I'm really not sure about Chad Dawson's future anymore. That type listless performance can say a lot about a fighter, and Dawson never came off as a particularly passionate fighter in the first place. He seems like a guy who fights because he's good at it more than anything, if that makes sense.

35. Devon Alexander

As much as I think Alexander got a gift against Andriy Kotelnik in August, those things do happen. Floyd Mayweather Jr. was, in my estimation, lucky to leave his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo still unbeaten. And Floyd's done alright for himself in the ring since then, I'd say. Alexander is not Mayweather and I don't mean to say he is. He's got a ton of natural talent, and he seems to take a great deal of pride in being the new star fighter in St. Louis. As the Spinks family has faded, Alexander has risen to take the throne in the Gateway City. He's probably seen as the distant third in the great youth movement at 140 pounds, behind Timothy Bradley (his January 2011 opponent) and now Amir Khan. But that's a good race to even be in.

34. Andre Dirrell

Andre Dirrell has turned into one of those guys who can't have a fight without it eliciting some sort of strong reaction. Against Curtis Stevens in 2007, he ran to the degree that the only person in the world impressed by the display was Lennox Lewis, who compared the performance to Muhammad Ali in what may have been the dumbest thing Lennox ever said on HBO. But then Andre went on a run of fights against mediocre opponents that sort of rebuilt his image. He started taking guys apart with his talent, which Andre has the ability to do, and then earned some points with fans for entering the Super Six. But then there was the ugly fight last year with Carl Froch, where many felt Dirrell deserved to win even though he was back to his non-engaging ways. And this year he fought only once, outboxing Arthur Abraham before getting cracked in the head while on his knees after a slip, a foul that disqualified Abraham and put Dirrell on the shelf the rest of the year, which saw him drop out of the Super Six and bail on a fight with friend Andre Ward.

Listen, I'm not saying Dirrell or anyone is lying about his health. But I don't think the reaction with a lot of people who do think he's full of it is really all that far-fetched. The "Dr. Shaw High" bit on Fight Camp 360 was just a little off in basically all respects. Boxing is hardly the most honest line of work out there, so would I be surprised if a fighter exaggerated injuries in order to avoid fights he doesn't want to take? Of course not. I'd hate to accuse him of lying without evidence of it, and I'm not doing that. I'm just saying it wouldn't cause me to shake my head or anything. It'd just be boxing business as usual, really.

005maresimg_4888_medium 33. Abner Mares

Now that's a breakout year. Mares went from prospect to full-fledged bantamweight star in 2010, as the former Mexican Olympian battled to a hard-fought draw with Yonnhy Perez in May and then defeated Vic Darchinyan in December. Mares-Darchinyan was a Fight of the Year contender, and while his bout with Perez wasn't quite that level, it wasn't shabby, either. At 25, Mares (21-0-1, 13 KO) is the sort of boxer-puncher who should have plenty of great fights in his future. He's shown he can take punishment, dish out plenty of it, and box guys who have difficult styles. I might be off here, but Mares reminds me a lot of Marco Antonio Barrera. Maybe it's just me.

32. Ivan Calderon

As great as Calderon has been, and as good as he still is, he's well past his prime and I don't think there's much other than losses left in his future. I hope nothing he does (other than potential wins) at this point in his brilliant career has any bearing on future Hall of Fame voters, at least. It'd be a real shame if "Iron Boy" wasn't a first-ballot Hall of Famer, as he's one of the very elite little guys in the history of boxing. At his best, he had slickness that made Floyd Mayweather look slow and was the best pure boxer of his time. But he foolishly tried to brawl with Giovani Segura, who is the best puncher in the division, and it got him knocked out. The signs of decline have been there a while, of course, as he had hell with Hugo Cazares (another terrific fighter) and Rodel Mayol (not so much), but actually seeing an L on his record was still kind of crazy. Word is that he wants a rematch with Segura, and I think that sums up Calderon perfectly. If that's his final fight, which is entirely possible, it'd be kind of fitting. Unlike a lot of top fighters who aren't based in the States, Calderon often went after the best challenges he could find, and his jump up to 108 was incredibly admirable in the way he went about it. By the way, I think if I'd been doing these every year, this would be the first time Calderon wasn't in my top 20 since about 2003.

31. Humberto Soto

Finally, Humberto Soto took a real challenger, and finally, he produced the sort of dramatics he's always been capable of. Faced with single-minded bull-rusher Urbano Antillon on December 4, Soto did his best Juan Manuel Marquez impersonation and used his skills to overcome a guy who was there to win at all costs. Antillon gave Soto a damn good run for his money in an outstanding fight, but it was Soto who proved to be the better man. And all anyone's ever asked is that Soto's opponents be considered anything close to an equal to him. We got that, and it was spectacular. Prior to his war with Antillon, Soto had already gone 3-0 on the year. He started in March at Cowboys Stadium by beating David Diaz for the vacant WBC lightweight belt, giving Soto a title in his second division (or third if you count the interim WBC belt at 126). He then beat Ricardo Dominguez in May and Fidel Monterossa Munoz in September, the latter fight a lot closer than it probably should have been, though judge Nicolas Hidalgo scored it a semi-absurd 118-109 for Soto. All I ask of Soto in 2011 is more good matchups. He's great fun to watch when he's in there with the right guys.

Berto_0077 30. Andre Berto

I think it's fair to criticize Andre Berto the businessman, or at least the Berto/Lou DiBella combination as businessmen. Yes, they reportedly offered a very fair figure to fight Manny Pacquiao in May 2011, but that was probably never really an option for Pacquiao at the moment. But I really do think Berto is a fine talent, and a really good fighter. At 27, he's in what should be his prime, and sadly has very few legitimate opponents to fight. I guess my real reaction is to say, hey, at least keep fighting. Keep fighting and keep winning. Run guys over if that's the only type of fight you can get. Nobody through Freddy Hernandez should have been in with Berto, and Berto proved everyone right when he stamped Hernandez out at 2:07 of the first round. Berto's only other 2010 fight came in April against Carlos Quintana, and he stopped the former titlist in eight, fighting through a shoulder injury he suffered early in the bout. I think Berto has the goods physically, and he obviously keeps himself in immaculate condition and isn't lazy between fights about staying in shape. Berto really should be part of the immediate future of boxing, but in addition to the fact that he hasn't proven to be able to draw a house (though he's an HBO darling and has been for years), what's happening around him at welterweight is really not going to foster him becoming a bigger star. The only thing he can do is fight Pacquiao or Mayweather. Other than that, his options are the likes of Selcuk Aydin, his WBC mandatory. He might not be ready for a Manny or a Floyd, but then again, he might be. You never know until the final bell rings.

29. Tomasz Adamek

I like Tomasz Adamek a lot, but I hesitate to get all up-in-arms about his standing in the sport. He's a good fighter, but what has he really done at heavyweight? His best win is Cristobal Arreola, and other than that he's beaten two oldsters (Michael Grant and a disinterested, out of shape Andrew Golota), plus club fighter Vinny Maddalone and Jason Estrada, who is decent but hardly a big scalp. But I also think the only win he had at cruiserweight that was much to get excited about was Steve Cunningham. Adamek's resume doesn't match his sometimes lofty ratings placements, but what isn't overstated about Adamek is that he's the type of guy we could use a hell of a lot more of in boxing.

28. Paul Williams

TIMBEEEER! The nastiest knockout since Pacquiao iced Hatton came when Sergio Martinez laid Paul Williams out -- scary enough that my initial reaction of bloodthirsty enthusiasm was quickly tempered by fear that Williams might have really been hurt. But he seemed alright after, so that was good, and I can enjoy the knockout for what it is, poetic viciousness. Williams is another guy I'm just not sure about going forward. He really doesn't fight with his head at all, and has never learned how to use his freaky frame to the advantage it should be, unlike Celestino Caballero. The way Paul leans in, he might as well be 5'10", and even with his crazy reach, he's a better inside fighter than he is fighting from a distance. And his jab has never developed the way you'd expect it would have. Whether that's a training issue or just a thing Paul can't or won't do, I have no idea, but there is some need for fixin' to be done on "The Punisher." Any fighter can be figured out, and it just seemed like Sergio Martinez had Paul's number in their rematch. He could stand more activity, too. His only other fight in 2010 was the bizarre mess with Cintron, so he got in a total of about five rounds this year.

27. Jean Pascal

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As much as it shouldn't, it sure seems like Jean Pascal had a half-and-half year that has him rated lower than it feels like he should be. This feels like a dropoff of some sort after Pascal's December 18 draw with Bernard Hopkins, which it seems most everyone feels Pascal deserved to have lost. After his August upset of Chad Dawson, I tried to keep a level head about Pascal. Still flawed, still fought dumb, still gassed himself out. Sometimes fun to watch, sometimes a bit of a chore to watch. I like Jean Pascal fine, but that Dawson fight might have been his absolute peak, and a lot of it came from the fact that Dawson fought the worst fight of his career. This could really be the highest Pascal ever gets on one of these, if I ever do one again. And I get the feeling if he gets higher, it's because a lot of people got worse.

26. Roman Gonzalez

One thing I tend to forget about "Chocolatito" is how young he is. At 23, Gonzalez has already done damage at 105 and is now eyeballing the top of the heap at 108. I think he's more than good enough to be a top guy in the new weight class. But he'll surely find the competition tougher, since there are far more good fighters at 108 than at 105. That might actually be a bullshit statement, but I'm running with it. I do know there are more good fighters at 108 than at 105, but I'm not totally sure I'd class it as "far more." But like I said, I'm sticking to it. With that reservation.

David_haye_1206365c_medium 25. David Haye

David Haye's 2010 was nothing spectacular. The holder of the semi-hilarious WBA heavyweight title retired John Ruiz in April, then sat around making excuses all year for why he couldn't or wouldn't fight one of the Klitschko brothers, then wound up in a complete f***ing farce of a joke of a "fight" with Audley Harrison in November, attempting to legitimize that laughable matchup by citing emails he had received in favor of it. There was never any documented evidence of these emails existing, but hey (Haye!), he said he got some emails.

I think David Haye is a superb fighter. I really do. As a heavyweight, he's really one of the fastest and most explosive in recent memory, maybe even ever. He's a fantastic athlete and keeps himself in great shape. He's got real power, A+ speed for a big man, and at 6'3" with a 78" reach, he's got a heavyweight's body, even if he's not walking around at 240. There is really no reason a 210-pound heavyweight can't be tremendously successful. This isn't Eddie Chambers we're talking about. Haye is a different specimen.

But what's holding him back is the fact that it's past time to put up or shut up regarding Wladimir and Vitali. He really has to fight one of them now. That fight is the only thing in the rotten heavyweight division that matters. There's nobody in the sport that is going to hang with the Klitschkos except maybe Haye, and there's nobody that I see as a real threat to Haye except the Klitschkos. Everything else they do is just biding time and padding stats at this point. Nobody cares about Haye fighting Ruslan Chagaev. Nobody cares about the Klitschkos fighting Shannon Briggs or Albert Sosnowski or Dereck Chisora. Right now, it sounds like things are moving in a positive direction, but there have been press conferences for Haye-Klitschko fights, so don't consider anything done until they're actually in the ring.

24. Nobuo Nashiro

Nashiro is one of the more overlooked and underrated fighters in the sport, like his rival Hugo Cazares. Sure, Nashiro went 0-1-1 against Cazares, but that's a better 0-1-1 than a lot of 2-0s. He lost to Cazares in May in a great fight, including a barnburner 12th round, then got a comeback win against a bum in October. Nashiro isn't taking it easy, though. He'll face Tomas Rojas for the WBC super flyweight title on February 5, which is a very good fight on paper.

23. Mikkel Kessler

Since I don't really have much to say about Mikkel Kessler -- he's such a nice guy that he's kind of boring to talk about -- and if you're reading this, you know what the hell he did in 2010, here's the trailer for the 1975 film Mitchell.


22. Miguel Acosta

Acosta is now my No. 2 lightweight in the entire universe, just behind Juan Manuel Marquez. In July 2009, he knocked out Urbano Antillon, which was scary enough to the world around him that, like Miguel Vazquez (same first name, same weight class), it took him nearly a year to find another fight. That wound up being against Paulus Moses in May, on the road in Namibia, and since you never know how fights are going to be scored on foreign soil, Acosta decided to just knock out Moses, too, picking up the WBA lightweight belt. Or one of the WBA lightweight belts. I don't know. The WBA is hard to follow. He also fought in November against a guy with an incoming record of 24-41-3 for no real good reason at the WBA convention.

21. Yuriorkis Gamboa

Gamboa's a guy who has just about every tool one needs to be a great pro boxer, but I just haven't taken to him the way so many have. Still, I don't deny his talent. The only thing that bothered me about him this year was the fact that he seemed to go at about 80% speed against both Jonathan Victor Barros and Orlando Salido. That meant he comfortably beat both of them, but he could have put together some highlight reel material in those fights, and seemed to choose not to as much as their abilities prevented him from doing so.

Oh also bothering me was listening to Max Kellerman drool over him while Gamboa put on a fairly unimpressive performance against Saldio, as though Gamboa were doing things heretofore unseen in boxing.

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20. Bernard Hopkins

Just when you think he's out...he pulls you back in. Bernard unquestionably didn't fight up to his standards either last December against Enrique Ornelas, or in this year's pathetic display against Roy Jones Jr., which might as well have been one of those Hulk Hogan-Roddy Piper matches from 1997. But he won both fights. Not pretty, but he won them. And when he lined up to take on newly-crowned lineal light heavyweight champ Jean Pascal for December, a lot of us kind of groaned.

I, however, did not. I mean, I kind of did, but I really never thought Pascal was going to beat Hopkins. As many fans as Pascal made beating Dawson (you know, like, a handful), I just couldn't get a scene in my head to play out that had Pascal beating Hopkins. Early in their fight, I thought Pascal was going to prove me wrong. But then Bernard became Bernard again, controlling the ring, controlling the tempo, controlling everything. He might as well have actually put a desk in the ring so Pascal could sit down and take notes. B-Hop didn't leave with the win, but once again his stock had risen. Is this guy ever going to retire?

19. Nkosinathi Joyi

Sadly only fought once this year, but he made it count. Fighting in his native South Africa, he scored a wide decision win over previously-unbeaten Raul Garcia. Other fights would pop up on schedules but never came about. Right now he's set to face Katsunari Takyama in late January, but I'd be lying if I said I was convinced it would happen. Joyi's another guy I wish would just move up to 108. There are really no challenges for him at 105. If you've never seen Joyi fight, his 2009 bout with Florante Condes is on YouTube.

18. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam

If Pong didn't come into 2010 having convinced you he should probably be a Hall of Famer, maybe he did it in March when he knocked off the younger, stronger Koki Kameda to regain the lineal flyweight championship of the world. The way Pong did it was pure class. He simply outboxed Kameda, frustrating his foe and coming out a clear victor in a fight he was supposed to be too old to win. 33 isn't that old, of course, but it was thought that for the weight class and considering the amount of fights he's had in his career -- many of them tough battles -- Pong was just done as a top guy. Not so. After beating Kameda, he retreated back to Thailand for a couple of fights against non-contenders, but he did get a bit of a scare against Suriyan Por Chokchai in October, escaping with a close decision that would have been a majority draw if not for a point taken from Suriyan in the eighth round.

Nishiokat01_medium 17. Toshiaki Nishioka

Currently reigning as the top fighter in Japan, Nishioka followed an excellent 2009 with a damn good 2010. In April, he topped Balweg Bangoyan, which was very predictable, and then in October he was simply too good for the challenge from the UK's Rendall Munroe, who boxed his heart out but was just a step or two behind Nishioka at basically all points of the contest. Like a lot of guys, Nishioka isn't exactly young (he turned 34 in July), and he's a long time removed from the bantamweight who went 0-2-2 against Veeraphol Sahaprom. He's come into his own at 122 pounds the last couple of years, and now stands as the best in the world at the weight.

16. Juan Manuel Lopez

Lopez had kind of a weird year, really. He started in January, moving up to featherweight and pretty well manhandling Steven Luevano, a loss that sent Luevano into retirement (for now, at least). In July, he moved over to Showtime and beat Bernabe Concepcion in six minutes of wild punching. Then in November, after some delay, he topped Rafael Marquez. It seemed like nothing he did was really quite what it should have been, for some reason. I said earlier that the Marquez fight lived up to expectations, and I'd stand by that, but it doesn't seem as though Lopez gained any standing from the win, and I guess in some respects rightfully so, as Marquez isn't a true featherweight, even though I think he's good at the weight. Marquez is also old and damaged, even though I think he can still fight. Concepcion was just fodder to advertise the fight with Marquez, basically. And Luevano has never had a fanbase, so that win came off as kind of flat and predictable, too. I'd say 2011 should be kinder, but knowing Top Rank, it probably won't be. Word is that they're setting up a fight with Teon Kennedy for April. All the world wants is to see Lopez-Gamboa, and Top Rank is determined to never give us the fight, as if Lopez beating Teon Kennedy is going to make Lopez-Gamboa a bigger deal than it already is.

15. Fernando Montiel

Montiel's banner campaign began in February, where he overpowered the sadly overmatched young Ciso Morales in a blatant mismatch that the matchmakers should be ashamed of ever making in the first place. But then he made amends, so to speak, by traveling to Japan to fight Hozumi Hasegawa in April. It wasn't going all that well for the first three rounds, and Montiel was down 29-28 on two cards and 30-27 on the third. But he stopped Hasegawa in four to claim the WBC bantamweight title to go with his WBO belt. Talk of a fight with Nonito Donaire popped up for the 800th time, but instead Montiel took easy fights with Rafael Concepcion in July and Jovany Soto in December. The Donaire talk is back, and everything is ready to go for February. I think that's an awful, awful matchup for Montiel, but he's got the type of power that can change things in a hurry, so who knows?

14. Miguel Cotto

I still have Miguel Cotto ranked this high because I still think he's an excellent fighter. Unfortunately he did fight just once this year, undergoing relatively minor surgery late in the year. His one fight was memorable, as he moved up to 154 pounds and main evented at Yankee Stadium against Yuri Foreman. Though Foreman could barely walk, Cotto showed no real restraint as he beat Foreman down and won the fight. I don't really think Cotto is a junior middleweight, and frankly think he'd be stupid to stay there if anything good came along at 147, but unless he fights Andre Berto (don't count on it), there's nothing good at 147. Expect that Margarito rematch as both guys peddle controversy to pad their wallets. I'm going to hate that fight.

Vitali Klitschko v Cris Arreola 13. Vitali Klitschko

As much as I respect Vitali Klitschko, 2010 was kind of a waste of time from a pure boxing standpoint of it all. Yeah, he beat Albert Sosnowski and Shannon Briggs. Well, no shit he beat Albert Sosnowski and Shannon Briggs. Of course he beat Albert Sosnowski and Shannon Briggs. The fact that Albert Sosnowski and Shannon Briggs -- game as they both were, don't get me wrong -- were the best challengers they could dig up is a travesty. Neither of them had any business fighting for a "world heavyweight title," even in this era of worthless paper title belts that mean absolutely nothing. The fights were complete nonsense.

And I blame Vitali for none of that. Against Briggs, he looked as good as he has since his comeback in 2008. Vitali was loose, limber, moved well, and his punches looked less like arm punches than usual because he seemed more able to get his legs and back into the equation. It's just that the fights were foregone conclusions the minute they were signed. There was zero drama to either bout. I mean, sure, they weren't Haye-Harrison, but Taco Bell tastes better than cat feces and I'm not keen on eating Taco Bell, either.

12. Amir Khan

Oh yeah! Real high ranking! I like Amir Khan! We've talked a lot about Amir Khan lately! I don't want to talk about Amir Khan any more right now! Sorry, Amir Khan! Maybe next year don't have a big dramatic fight in December! Oh yeah!

11. Timothy Bradley

Here's what I said about Robert Guerrero:

I know Robert Guerrero is talented and all, but the guy just does nothing for me. I don't know what it is. I'm sure everyone has these fighters, guys you know are good, and you don't actively dislike them or anything, but they just do zilch for you, you're never excited to watch them fight, and you never think much of anything they do even when it's impressive.

Replace "Robert Guerrero" with "Timothy Bradley." But I would also add this from the Tomasz Adamek listing:

but what isn't overstated about Adamek is that he's the type of guy we could use a hell of a lot more of in boxing.

Replace "Adamek" with "Bradley."

10. Hugo Cazares

Cazares had a great win over Nashiro in May, and after that fought three more times against guys you might kindly consider to be fringe contenders. The great thing about Cazares, as we've mentioned plenty recently, is that no matter who he's fighting these days, he seems to turn it into a war. He doesn't need to; he has plenty of skills. He just does it anyway. What a guy.

20100218segura004a_medium 9. Giovani Segura

The first time I saw Segura fight was in 2008, I think, when he faced Cesar Canchila on the Cotto-Margarito undercard. It was a hell of a fight, rough back-and-forth action between a couple of guys who were there to go to war. The crowd had a pretty tepid response, I guess saving themselves for the next fight, which was the main event. That was unfortunate, because Segura and Canchila put in quite the war of attrition that night, with Canchila winning a close decision. In March 2009, Segura got revenge with a questionable stoppage of Canchila.

2010 started with wins over Walter Tello and Ronald Ramos in Mexico. The crude slugger then signed on to face lineal junior flyweight champion Ivan Calderon. Anyone familiar with both fighters had to be feeling like Segura could knock Calderon out. Between his cuts problems and the fact that he'd slowed down enough that the big power of Segura could be a real problem, Calderon was again facing someone who might snap his win streak. And Segura did, as Calderon shockingly tried to fight Segura, which was just about the stupidest thing he could have done, to be totally honest. Segura followed his excellent win over Calderon (which was a FOTY contender) with a late November defense against the always-exciting Manuel "Chango" Vargas.

Heading into 2011, Segura is entrenched as The Man in the division, something new to him. Calderon had been walking with a target on his back for years, but this is new to Segura. There's a lot of talk of a rematch between the two, and it would not shock me if a smarter Calderon came in and outboxed Segura the second time. Segura is a really good fighter and has really big power, so he's going to be dangerous to anybody he faces. He's sort of a rich man's Rodel Mayol without all the headbutts and stuff.

8. Nonito Donaire

I'll admit I've maintained lingering doubts about Donaire, but I actually think that upon closer inspection, his post-Vic resume really isn't that bad. Both Raul Martinez and Moruti Mthalane are good scalps, and what Nonito did in December of this year to the capable Wladimir Sidorenko was almost scary. Donaire looked big at bantamweight, even considering that Sidorenko is a small bantam, and his speed and combination punching were outstanding as he bloodied, battered and ultimately broke Sidorenko. With the Montiel fight apparently actually happening, now is the time for Nonito to either prove for good that he's earned this high ranking, which is right around where he is in most P4P lists. There are surely still doubters, but I'm not one of them.

150251_291839719962_83612869962_1092555_7407924_n_medium 7. Andre Ward

Andre Ward is allegedly building a big fanbase in Oakland, but really the results aren't there to prove he's building much of a fanbase at all. The crowd was pretty sparse for his fight with Sakio Bika in November, and that was his third straight major fight in Oakland. It's probably time for him to hit the road, which I'm sure he'll do to face Arthur Abraham in the Super Six semifinals. Everyone is all about Andre Ward, and frankly I am, too. I still don't really like Andre Ward very much, but he's a kickass fighter -- so kickass that I'm going to describe him as kickass. He's mean, he's kind of smug, and he fights damn hard all the time. Ward has B+ talent and an A+ mentality, is how I would put it. There's really nothing tremendously special about his skills or abilities (he is very good, but not someone that makes you turn your head when you see him in action, like say Mayweather or young Roy Jones or something), but he fights in a way that reminds me of Bernard Hopkins or Evander Holyfield. Ward constantly fights like he's been wronged by the other man in the ring.

6. Lucian Bute

And here would be Ward's future nemesis, should Ward come out of the Super Six as the winner, as it seems everyone expects will be the case. Here's a fun thought, though: What if Andre Ward doesn't win the tournament? Then what? Realistically, it shouldn't be that big of a deal, but boxing people tend to freak out when an upset happens before their preciously incubated big fight can materialize, as if they never even imagined the possibility, and I guess a lot of the time with the sissified way promoters make their matches, they probably never did even imagine the possibility, since making fights is more of a board room meeting than it is a couple of guys wanting to sort out what's what in the rankings. Boxing is special like that. In no other sport is anything so meticulously planned out in order to follow the storylines that the promoters and TV people want. It's almost like pro wrestling in some regards, except the punches are the real deal, unless Paul Briggs is involved. Boy, I hate that I'm going to be making fun of Paul Briggs forever now. I would much rather have remembered the Briggs who savagely warred with Adamek.

Oh, and Lucian Bute is really goddamn good.

THE TOP FIVE
AKA GUYS I'M SICK OF TALKING ABOUT

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5. Wladimir Klitschko

Take almost everything I've said about Vitali and apply it to Wladimir. It's a shame that such dedicated, serious professionals who have worked so hard to master their craft are forced to face guys like the Klitschkos have to face now.

4. Juan Manuel Marquez

Rumors of Marquez's demise were greatly exaggerated. The man is still an artist in there. A violent, violent artist.

3. Sergio Martinez

My personal 2010 Fighter of the Year, and he seems to be pretty well sweeping that award across the board, which is great to see. Sergio has developed into a well-rounded fighter who might have the best overall skill set in boxing, and I really mean that. I don't meant to say "maybe he's the best pound-for-pound," I just think he might be able to adapt to more styles than anyone in boxing. Mayweather and Pacquiao are better P4P fighters, I fully believe that. But I don't see any bugaboo styles for Martinez that I think would for sure give him serious trouble.

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Pass.

1. Manny Pacquiao

Pass.


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holy smokes. this took some serious work. nice job.
& glad to see cotto in the top 15.

by steak_knife on Dec 28, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

+1

on all counts.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

by weight class

Heavyweight
Wladimir Klitschko (5)
Vitali Klitschko (13)
David Haye (25)
Tomasz Adamek (29)

Cruiserweight
Steve Cunningham (47)
Marco Huck (53)
Troy Ross (56)
Denis Lebedev (58)
Danny Green (93)

Light Heavyweight
Bernard Hopkins (20)
Jean Pascal (27)
Chad Dawson (36)
Tavoris Cloud (55)
Gabriel Campillo (61)
Nathan Cleverly (62)
Beibut Shumenov (75)

Super Middleweight
Lucian Bute (6)
Andre Ward (7)
Mikkel Kessler (23)
Andre Dirrell (34)
Carl Froch (42)
Glen Johnson (45)
Sakio Bika (60)
Librado Andrade (98)
Arthur Abraham (100)

Middleweight
Sergio Martinez (3)
Paul Williams (28)
Felix Sturm (57)
Kelly Pavlik (74)
Dmitry Pirog (76)
Gennady Golovkin (77)

Junior Middleweight
Miguel Cotto (14)
Sergiy Dzinziruk (38)
Kermit Cintron (51)
Alfredo Angulo (65)
Ryan Rhodes (78)
Erislandy Lara (80)
Antonio Margarito (81)

Welterweight
Manny Pacquiao (1)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (2)
Andre Berto (30)
Shane Mosley (79)
Joshua Clottey (82)
Kell Brook (85)

Junior Welterweight
Timothy Bradley (11)
Amir Khan (12)
Devon Alexander (35)
Andriy Kotelnik (49)
Marcos Maidana (50)
Lamont Peterson (52)
Victor Ortiz (63)

Lightweight
Juan Manuel Marquez (4)
Miguel Acosta (22)
Humberto Soto (31)
Robert Guerrero (48)
Michael Katsidis (83)
Miguel Vazquez (90)

Super Featherweight
Mzonke Fana (68)
Takashi Uchiyama (73)
Jorge Solis (86)
Ricky Burns (97)

Featherweight
Juan Manuel Lopez (16)
Yuriorkis Gamboa (21)
Chris John (39)
Rafael Marquez (44)
Hozumi Hasegawa (46)
Elio Rojas (66)
Celestino Caballero (72)
Daniel Ponce de Leon (84)
Jhonny Gonzalez (96)
Orlando Salido (99)

Super Bantamweight
Toshiaki Nishioka (17)
Ryol Li Lee (59)
Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym (67)
Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. (87)
Satoshi Hosono (94)

Bantamweight
Nonito Donaire (8)
Fernando Montiel (15)
Abner Mares (33)
Joseph Agbeko (38)
Yonnhy Perez (40)
Koki Kameda (41)
Anselmo Moreno (43)
Vic Darchinyan (54)
Nehomar Cermeno (69)

Super Flyweight
Hugo Cazares (10)
Nobuo Nashiro (24)
Omar Narvaez (70)
Cristian Mijares (92)

Flyweight
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (18)
Luis Concepcion (88)
Raul Martinez (89)
Moruti Mthalane (91)
Edgar Sosa (95)

Junior Flyweight
Giovani Segura (9)
Roman Gonzalez (26)
Ivan Calderon (32)
Ulises Solis (71)

Strawweight
Nkosinathi Joyi (19)
Raul Garcia (64)

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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."

by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 1:54 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

For all the flak the heavies get,

No other division has 4 guys in your top 30.

"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Dec 28, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

no other division has both Klitchskos.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 28, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If I did this up to 200, the next guy (Povetkin) might have slid into the top 175. I’m not kidding either. After the top three heavies, there is nobody I see as a threat. I like Adamek, but he is ranking at 29 as much for his full body of work as what he has done/can do as a heavyweight. Also none of these four guys are fighting each other, which is where a lot of the flak comes from.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with your response.

I just thought it was interesting.

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by EastCoastA on Dec 28, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought the same once I was done and really thought about it. If those four guys would just fight each other, I think we’d see a lot less bitching about the division. It’s really no less top-heavy than a lot of other divisions — welterweight being one, which is obvious, and 135 and 140, too, but the guys at 140 especially have made a habit of fighting each other. My top five at 140 I think is pretty firmly ahead of the rest of the pack: Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Kotelnik, Maidana. And of those five guys, we have seen Khan-Maidana, Khan-Kotelnik, Kotelnik-Maidana, Alexander-Kotelnik, and are coming up on Bradley-Alexander. Hell even Lamont Peterson and Victor Ortiz (my next two) just fought each other, too, and Alexander also fought Juan Urango, who is toward the back end of the top ten.

The Klitschkos, Haye, and Adamek, however, are doing nothing remotely close to that. After Adamek-Arreola, Haye-Ruiz and Wlad-Chambers, which were top ten fights or at least close enough (even if predictable), you’ve had the following list of crap this year from those four: Adamek-Grant, Adamek-Maddalone, Vitali-Briggs, Vitali-Sosnowski, Haye-Harrison, and Wlad was going to fight Dereck Chisora before that got scrapped.

Really, the three most extremely competitive divisions are, in my estimation, the currently SENSATIONAL bantamweight class, which just added Koki Kameda and Nonito Donaire to a terrific mix; the featherweights, where I’m worried we’re going to see the top guys not fighting each other; and the super middleweights.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

This list

is crap. As Waldo will shortly point out – why is Ward not #1? I find it hard to take this list seriously with such a glaring mistake.

by journeyintosound on Dec 28, 2010 2:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It’s tough to tell with Andre Ward’s cult members. All eight of them.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

does that count me?

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Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"

by Matt Miller on Dec 28, 2010 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure yet

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent list

The top 5 could’ve been last year’s Top 5 except for “Maravilla”

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by angelofdeath on Dec 28, 2010 3:31 AM EST reply actions  

Amazing List

I’m only as far as #49, looking forward to the rest.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 28, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions  

Great stuff Scott

better than the Ring 100 and most definitely NOT potential toilet paper material. :)

by Matt Mosley on Dec 28, 2010 7:17 AM EST reply actions  

Good Lord

That must have taken some serious time to write.
Although, well worth it. A fantastic read. thanks.

by doglookslikeafox on Dec 28, 2010 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

The list

P.s – great to see Cotto up there in the top 15.
Might have put Martinez above Mayweather just because of his achievements this year.

by doglookslikeafox on Dec 28, 2010 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

Might have put Martinez above Mayweather just because of his achievements this year.

That’s interesting. My first instinct was to think ‘AS IF!!’, but then about 2 seconds later it kind of hit me: Floyd has actually done nothing worthy of note in 2010, really. He beat an old Mosley (admittedly not as old a version of Mosley as Manny has signed to fight, before the rabid ones warm up their keyboard fingers…), and errr….

Yeah, I’d probably have Sergio above Floyd right now, not in a P4P sense, but in a ‘2010 Top Fighters’ list it makes perfect sense. Floyd has to get active, sharp, before I actually stop regarding him as an active boxer.

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Mosley WAS top 5 P4P when Mayweather beat him

Yes, people knew he was old, but the argument flows both ways

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

In whose list??

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Ring Magazine, ESPN, Yahoo

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

DoI have to tell you of all people about the Ring's ratings?

And ESPN and Yahoo are popularity contests.

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

he gave that security guard what's for

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Work

I cannot imagine the time that went into this. Thanks for this and everything else you do for us Scott!

by KyleAskine on Dec 28, 2010 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Christ, Scott! (no pun intended)..

If that’s what you can do when you’ve been on the ale, I would like to see what you’re able to do sober!!!

by Phill on Dec 28, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Really I’m far better when I’ve had a few.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Epic post

And Max Kellerman is wearing some scary eyeliner in that pic

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

That's Kellerman?

I thought I was looking at Bela Lugosi!

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Bela Lugosi's dead

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As Brickhaus becomes Bauhaus

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't get that at all, if I'm honest

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, now I do.

Still, you’re an ass. :)

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Just stream of consciousness BS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY

Simply because the username “Brickhouse” is usually taken on most sites anyway, it became Brickhaus, and I probably stole that spelling from Bauhaus more than from having any working knowledge of German. Because I’m just a depressed little goth kid at heart who complains about life and drinks Clamatto.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!

http://southpark-zone.blogspot.com/2009/04/season-12-ungroundable.html

Enjoy!!

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm so much more goth than you

because my soul is as dark as my black, black lungs

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you check out the SP episode? :)

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by Chaos100 on Dec 28, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was referencing that in my original comment

But I watched it again anyway because I think it’s hilarious. Tampa is the epicenter of the US goth scene, so growing up there I got a pretty big dose of it.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for this

It makes it pretty easy on a newbie like me to see who’s legit and who’s not. That, and it’s a good read :)

by ozymandius1024 on Dec 28, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

CITRON = 51 and AA = 100. Hmmm. Don't quite think so.

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Andriy Kotelnik too far below Alexander. Some say he beat Alexander. I’m one of them.

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Great work indeed but Bute number 6?

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

No Canelo?

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

The problem with a list this ccomprehensive is that you let yourself open for lots of

debate. Hopefully, it will be in the spirit of debate…and maybe that’s a good reason for the list. To generate thinking and debate.

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Oh now I read the post. Yeah,, lets get at it.

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

comprehensive

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Kellerman is too high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

It's pretty darn good. I did one once and it took me forever. And I left out Aaron Pryor!!!!!!!!!!! How he could do it this fast amazes me.

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by Kid Blast on Dec 28, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

it took basically a full day with a couple of short breaks

I mostly just did it for the hell of it. Canelo, by the way, was JUST outside the top 100, which I think is pretty amazing for a guy his age. Canelo, David Lemieux, a few other rising guys, I think they’ll all be there next December, and might shoot onto the list like a bat out of hell. Mares wouldn’t have been ranked last year, probably, and he’s in the 30s for me now.

Actually, here are the reasons I did it, in order:

1. For the hell of it.
2. I like lists. I just do.
3. I thought it might be a nice little primer for new fans/casual fans who are interested in more than the names they get on HBO and PPV.

I actually do think, on second thought, I have Kermit Cintron higher than I would have if I’d invested a long while into thinking about this. For that reason, I’m going to drop him some. Consider it the revised version.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is astounding and a great example of how fantastic this blog is.

by Tedd Welch on Dec 28, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Would HBO go for Kotelnik-Maidana II?

I know they said they want Maidana back on the network in ‘11, and I know he’ll probably take on a soft touch early next year, but do you think HBO considers that?

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 28, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe if Kotelnik comes cheap. I mean I’ve got no idea if Maidana even cares about that fight, I just figure that’s probably the absolute best fight Kotelnik could possibly get at this point.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think Maidana would take it

He pretty firmly believes he won the first one, and if that fight is in the US and not in Germany, I’m pretty damn confident Maidana would have won the decision. It wasn’t really a hometown decision as much as that European judges aren’t as prone to score on workrate as American judges are, but Maidana threw something like 1300 punches in that fight.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 28, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and I am sure those 1300 punches weren’t the joe calzaghe pitty patty type punches…. they were thrown with conviction.

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by Zocalo on Dec 28, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This was epic in so many ways

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by Drunken cutman on Dec 28, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

THIS IS WHAT BOXING NEEDS!!!

IM A BIG FAN OF BOTH MMA AND BOXING. BOXING FIRST THEN MMA THAT IS. IM GLAD TO SEE SUCH WORK PUT IN INTO THE SPORT I LOVE SO MUCH. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE MMA MACHINE HAS MORE JOURNALISTS WORKING and giving light in a better and brighter way but when i see things like this it gives me hope that this sport will survive in the coming years. SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD BE MADE EVERY 6 MONTHS at least top 50 fighters mid year. Real fans need added perspective and average fans need someone to clarify exactly who is who in a sport where many of its athletes get lost in the mix. Great job though i dont agree with you in terms of top 10 on Donaire (should be a bit higher as in 10, 11, 12 or so) and Andre Ward should be one spot higher.Marquez and Martinez switch places. Great job nonetheless thanks for the perspective. I have Mayweather #1 till Pacquiao fights someone who actually poses a problem.

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by FightWord on Dec 28, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

no problem on disagreements

And glad you enjoyed it.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 28, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I have Mayweather #1 till Pacquiao fights someone who actually poses a problem.

Oh wow. Where to begin….

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It's genuinely one of the great sentences ever written. I sincerely hope that Mr FightWord got their names the wrong way round, but I somehow suspect not...

Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 29, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Must........ resist...............

:)

Glad I’m not the only one.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a bit curious about your methodology here, Scott. It seems to me that your list strongly emphasizes (moreso than most such lists) only a boxer’s most recent year or two. I would be curious to what extent you consider a boxer’s fights from 2009 or 2008 or even further back, if at all. Obviously most recent activity is most important, but personally, I would weight fairly recent history a little more heavily in my estimation, rather than shooting someone up or down based on their most previous fight or two, so someone like Mosley, say, would be a little higher for me, while someone like Segura would place lower. In general, I’m just curious how far back you consider fights in your ranking and how much you downplay the importance of fights that were a couple or a few years back.

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by Matt Miller on Dec 28, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

It’s where they stand right now and heading forward, so what Shane Mosley did in 2006 is of no real importance to me. It’s what he has done recently and what he can do from here on. 2006 was a long time ago.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I get that this is an estimation of where they stand right now, not some legacy thing. Defending Mosley wasn’t my point. Anyway, it was a great read and stimulating post.

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by Matt Miller on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I just used Mosley as an example since I think he’s kind of an extreme case, and was a valid guy to bring up with your original question. Mosley is one of the best of his era, but he’s way faded and I think the exact sort of guy who represents the very “right now and heading forward” manner of ranking, at least from the “cynical” side of that thinking. Ivan Calderon, who has one loss (and not a bad loss), has sort of the same issue, too, at No. 32. You could really make a case for him to be much higher.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Good lord… that was an epic post…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Dec 28, 2010 11:51 PM EST reply actions  

96. Jhonny Gonzalez

Jhonny Gonzalez, as we’ve oft discussed on this site, is a tremendous fighter. A wonderful talent. Great boxer. And he has a terrible chin. If Jhonny Gonzalez had even a mediocre chin, he’d be in the top 20. He’s that talented. He’s also marvelous fun to watch fight, because you never know if he’s going to get sparked, even if he’s cruising, and he comes to fight.

I always wonder how many boxers are there that have world class power or skills and have a journeyman chin. Randle Bailey, Gonzalez, (until this past month- Amir Khan).

People underrate the value of a world class chin, people look at Oscar DeLaHoya and hell he wouldn’t be anywhere if he didn’t have a good chin when he faced Mosley, Tito, among others…

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by Zocalo on Dec 28, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

JasonTO

Good work.

But what the heck has Carl Froch got to do to get some respect?

by JasonTO on Dec 29, 2010 7:12 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm. It’s such a brilliant post that I didn’t want to be picky, but I too would like to have seen Carl placed a tad higher…

Such were the days, still, hot, heavy, disappearing one by one into the past, as if falling into an abyss for ever open in the wake of the ship; and the ship, lonely under a wisp of smoke, held on her steadwast way black and smouldering in a luminous immensity, as if scorched by a flame flicked at her from a heaven without pity.

by Oli Goldstein on Dec 29, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If Carl were a tad better, he’d be a tad higher.

In all candor, you could put Frochy up as high as, say, 20-25 or so and I wouldn’t have a problem. The guys between 14 and … 50 are not that far apart from one another.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

20-25? Try top-5. Or at least that’s where I have him in my rankings.

I’m assuming your list is based more on perceived skills than resume?

by JasonTO on Dec 29, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

So where’s Mikkel Kessler? 3?

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He should be top 3 based purely on the fact that he got Volbeat to write a song about him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wz09yHXheU

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by Waldo Rastel on Dec 29, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m assuming your list is based more on perceived skills than resume?

Considering a fighter’s resume depends on who you ask, yes. I mean I assume you think Froch deserved the win over Kessler. I don’t. I also thought Dirrell deserved to have the W over Froch, but he doesn’t. And I could fairly state that I don’t think Jermain Taylor (Froch’s third-best win) was all that good at the time, and that Abraham is about as overrated as it gets. Froch’s resume is, in my opinion, just fine, but you’d be about the only person on earth who thinks he’s a top five P4P fighter, too.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to split hairs too fine, since I agree with your overall point, but I class Jean Pascal as a much, much better win than Jermain Taylor at the respective times Froch fought them.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Pascal
2. Abraham
3. Taylor
4. Dirrell

I class the Dirrell win fourth not because I think Dirrell is the worst, but because I really, really don’t think Froch beat him.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I'm a complete idiot.

I for some reason had in my head that you had his last 3 fights as his best three wins, and, therefore, were leaving out Pascal.

Yup, that was a real brain-fart, right enough.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And yeah, I don't even have Dirrell in his list of wins, because, well, he didn't..

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, your assessment of the Kessler and Dirrell fights is pretty much consistent with mine. Even your reservations regarding the Taylor win is something I can sympathize with, if not agree outright.

Starting with the Kessler fight, I gave MIkkel the nod, though it was razor tight, and really either man “deserved” to have their hand raised at the end of the night.

I also had Froch losing to Dirrell, which was painful considering the manner in which the latter fought. But a final tally is the final tally. Principle or style points be damned. Like the Kessler fight, I would have been content with either man taking the win. While not as close as the Kessler fight, the clash of styles in this fight rendered it a question of taste as much as performance.

An argument can be made that Taylor was faded by the time he stepped in with Froch, but the case stands on shaky ground.

Here’s the thing. If there’s one lesson I’ve learned in my thirteen years as a boxing fans, it’s that no matter the fight, no matter how definitive the win, there’s always an excuse. That doesn’t mean the excuse is valid – it’s typically not. But it is something the overly cynical (and cynicism is a recurring theme amongst boxing fans) could latch onto, if they wanted to devalue the win.

Weight issues. Biased officiating. Injuries. Sickness. Drama in a fighter’s personal life. Faded opposition. This is typical fare on boxing forums and blogs. It often gets worse, bordering even on the absurd. How many fans have tried to discredit Pascal’s win over Dawson, by suggesting that Chad could easily beat the Canadian if he simply cared enough to throw more punches. As if it were that easy. Elite athletes at the top of their game at the physical peak of their lives, and one besting another is merely a matter of trying harder.

Honestly. How many big fights can you think of where the result wasn’t hampered by some kind of lingering doubt? Manny Pacquiao is the consensus best fighter in the world, yet when was the last time he came away with a win that wasn’t weighed down by cynicism?

Margarito – shot fighter without his plaster wraps.
Clottey – mediocre fighter to begin with.
Cotto – shot
Hatton – potentially shot, but weight drained nonetheless; also not very good (quoting Freddie Roach, here)
Diaz – mediocre
Marquez – should have lost

Even his wins against Morales are tainted by the belief that Morales was past his best.

And those fights in which the result is so definitive as to rule out any mitigating circumstances? Well, in that case, the opponent was overrated all along. Case in point: Arthur Abraham. You really can’t win with some fans.

There are certainly instances where cynicism is justified, but I think they’re few and far between. I think the best way to proceed as a boxing fan is just to accept that fights will often be bogged down by mitigating circumstances, but in all but the most glaring of instances, to write it off as a reality of the sport and to accept the result at face value.

You can certainly pick apart some of Froch’s fights at an individual level, but when you take a step back and evaluate his resume and the gauntlet he’s run in the past three years, from Pascal all the way to Abraham, it becomes ridiculous to maintain any serious cynicism. If Froch wasn’t elite, he would have been exposed by now. Regardless whether you think he’s gone 5-0 over this stretch of fights of 2-3, at every stop he’s elevated his game to meet his opposition and has dealt with a variety of styles against which he has always remained competitive. I know that Froch can give off the impression that he’s just barely hanging on based on a decent jab and British grit, but if that were the case, he would not have made it this far without getting exposed. The very fact that he’s in a position in which he can argue he’s won every single fight is proof enough that he’s elite. Again: it’s pointless to nitpick individual fights, because you can do that with almost any fight. Over a certain length of time, the truth bears itself out. I think that’s the case with Froch.

As far as rating fighters based on skill is concerned, I think it’s foolish. When I rank fighters, I come in with one assumption: I know shit all about who these guys are. This is true for any fan. We so seldom see these fighters perform that our impression of them is based on a tiny sample size. It’s so easy to get overly excited about a fighter who shows off flashy speed or concussive power. You can often get carried away day dreaming about how far such young phenoms are capable of going. Then they step in with someone with a bad style (Abraham), or someone with the type of power to exploit a weak chin (Khan), or someone with the will to punch back once the inevitable flurry of speed starts fade, and we find out who they really are.

That’s the point. It’s important to remember we really don’t know who these guys are. The only thing we have to go on is their resume, and how they fare against top competition.

I may think Lucian Bute is potentially the most balanced fighter in all of boxing right now; I also may think that Jean Pascal, while a terrific athlete, is a flawed and limited boxer. I think this, but I don’t know for sure. And until Bute steps in with enough top fighters to really prove his himself, I will rank Pascal ahead of him, assuming Jean doesn’t lose.

If you rank fighters based on skill, it’s basically pop philosophy. It’s all theoretical.

by JasonTO on Dec 29, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This is a really good post.

I don’t agree with everything you say, but it’s a really good post nonetheless.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrific Post.

I’m not sure I can go 100% with your last sentence, but there are a lot of sentences, and I think most of the rest of them are original and true. And important—the level of, and the damage from, cynicism.

Margarito – shot fighter without his plaster wraps.
Clottey – mediocre fighter to begin with.
Cotto – shot
Hatton – potentially shot, but weight drained nonetheless; also not very good (quoting Freddie Roach, here)
Diaz – mediocre
Marquez – should have lost

and it they are, why were we so wrong about them for so long? Maybe they were pretty damn good in their respective ways, and just got older. That’s usually really it.

There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939

by BoxAnne on Dec 29, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing Post

To quote Sartre:

There is no genius other than one which is expressed in works of art; the genius of Proust is the sum of Proust’s works; the genius of Racine is his series of tragedies. Outside of that, there is nothing. Why say that Racine could have written another tragedy, when he didn’t write it? A man is involved in life, leaves his impress on it, and outside of that there is nothing. To be sure, this may seem a harsh thought to someone whose life hasn’t been a success. But, on the other hand, it prompts people to understand that reality alone is what counts, that dreams, expectations, and hopes warrant no more than to define a man as a disappointed dream, as miscarried hopes, as vain expectations.

by KyleAskine on Dec 29, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

While I truly appreciate your passion here, I must reiterate that this is simply a list and one man’s opinion, and in no way do I think mine is more valuable than yours (opinions that is, as you do not have a list, so mine wins by default).

I also largely disagree with this line of thinking, but I find it reasoned, valid, and admirable.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and if that sounds sarcastic (except about the lists), I don't mean it to

Rec’d comment and really meant it. I like to get different perspectives, and really appreciate it.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I rec'd the comment too.

But I don’t really agree with the logic, but it’s still a frontrunner for ‘Post of the Last 24 Hours’.

God, you’ve got me at it now. I’ve forgotten how to post without sounding sarcastic.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

“reasoned, valid, and admirable”

I think I may just have found a letterhead for my resume. ;)

I appreciate the compliment. And, yeah, the list wasn’t really a big. I realize these types of rankings are, by nature, entirely subjective and really just a fun diversion. I just used it as an excuse to harp on the rep-resume issue, which I think is an interesting one.

I actually do have a pound-for-pound list, which I compiled for the Boxing Bulletin. Since the Bulletin is publishing the culminative results and not the individual lists, I figure there’s no issue in posting it here.

1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Sergio Martinez
4.Juan Manuel Marquez
5.Carl Froch
6.Andre Ward
7.Timothy Bradley
8.Chad Dawson
9.Juan Manuel Lopez
10.Jean Pascal
11.Lucian Bute
12.Amir Khan
13.Paul Williams
14.Wladimir Klitschko
15.Fernando Montiel
16.Bernard Hopkins
17.David Haye
18.Nonito Donaire
19.Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
20.Hozumi Hasegawa
21.Devon Alexander
22.Giovani Segura
23.Joseph Agbeko
24.Toshiaki Nishioka
25.Miguel Cotto

by JasonTO on Dec 29, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually genuinely liked you until I just saw you weren't actually kidding about having Froch at #5.

I can’t think of anything even remotely funny to say to that, so please fill in your own blanks with suitable criticism. Thanks. :)

Most fight fans would not spend a dime to watch Van Gogh paint 'Sunflowers', but they would fill Yankee Stadium to see him cut off his ear. (Bill Nack)

by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And er... wow.

Haye, but no Vitali?
Froch above Kessler, who beat him, and above Ward, who beat Kessler?
Montiel above Donaire?
Pascal above Hopkins?
Froch and Ward both above Bute?

You’d better get offline before Brick gets here… he’ll have a seizure. :D

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by Chaos100 on Dec 29, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haye-Vitali is a legitimate question mark; i’ll give it some thought.

I don’t subscribe to the idea that just because a fighter A beat fighter B, that fighter A must be ranked ahead of the latter. If that were true, compiling any type of ranking would be next to impossible, since you’d be running into conflicts left, right, and centre. Froch’s resume is superior to Kessler’s, and his loss to Mikkel was close enough that the Abraham win more than neutralized it.

Keep in mind that we were instructed to rank the fighters based only on the past three years of work. With that in mind, Kessler has very little of note besides the Froch win. Carl, on the other, hand, boasts several significant wins.

Same thing with Donaire. His solitary win over a fellow pound-for-pound candidate took place over three years ago. Montiel, however, can boast a win over Hasegawa in the past nine months,

I rate Donaire has highly as anyone. He’s a terrific talent, and should he defeat Montiel, he would instantly vault up the list, possibly into the top ten. But until he proves himself in the ring against elite competition, I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I can’t justify ranking Hopkins ahead of Pascal based on a draw, regardless of how good he looked achieving that result. I had Hopkins winning, like most observers, but calling that fight a draw is hardly a stretch, so I’m content to go by the official result, rather than my own impression. It takes a pretty blatant robbery for me to to disregard the result and judge the fighters based on my own scorecard. Alexander-Kotelnik, for example, I felt was a robbery, and my rankings echo that: Alexander is on the shallow end of the list, and Kotelnik was considered for inclusion.

I mentioned in my first post that, as must I adore Bute, his resume is thin compared to the Super Six entrants. Like Donaire, his talent is such that even one significant win (say, against Dirrell) could be enough to vault him up the list, ahead of his divisional rivals.

by JasonTO on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I rate Donaire has highly as anyone.

Not as high as myself, Scott, or Brick, you don’t. lol. You even have Froch ahead of him, P4P, and that’s the first time I’ve ever seen that. But hell, it’s your list. :)

It’s funny, I think there is more of an argument that Froch is the #5 guy at 168 than there is for him to be the #5 guy P4P. I think Ward and Bute are just better fighters than him, Kessler beat him, and so did Dirrell, whatever the judges thought. My SMW rankings:
Bute
Ward
Kessler
Dirrell
Froch

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by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions  

What I mean is that I rate his skills as high as anyone.

by JasonTO on Dec 30, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Haye-Vitali is a legitimate question mark …

No, it really fucking isn’t, and the fact you have Froch in the top 5 and Haye ahead of Vitali means you blindly rank Brit fighters and we don’t have to take you seriously.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 30, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you should stop beating about the bush and just say what you mean!!

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by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Apologies

British nuthuggerism is a pet peeve. I value the opinions and rooting interests of our brethren on the other side of the pond, but when somebody starts going on about how Ricky Hatton or Joe Calzaghe were the greatest fighters to ever lace up the gloves it just makes my skin crawl.

Likewise, the contention that Haye somehow has a stronger resume over the last couple years than does Vitali. Pretty fucking silly.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 30, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!! I'm British!!

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, which is why I was sure to qualify my statement by saying I appreciate and enjoy interacting with British fans.

I’m always glad to get a different perspective and hear about new prospects from over there who might be on the ascent.

But when it comes to rating British fighters, Chaos, you have to admit that some British fans, commentators, and journalists are totally disconnected with reality. Particularly when it comes to David Haye, at the moment.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 30, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Haye, Khan, Froch, take your pick.

I hate hyperbole. It’s the biggest thing that pisses me off when it comes to sports reporting. I’d prefer downright inaccuracies than hyperbole.

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by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not British (TO stands for Toronto, not Tottenham), and I have no natural inclination towards supporting British fighters. Even if I was the British nuthugger you claim me to be, I doubt it would make much of a difference, since I’m typically good at keeping my partisan interests in check. Case in point: Miguel Cotto is my favourite fighter. And yet he just barely sneaks into my top-25, far below where most observers have him ranked.

So please stop projecting your issues onto me. If you have a problem with my list, then you’re welcome to air them. But at least put forward a cogent argument as to why my rankings are wrong; don’t just throw out nonsensical accusations of nuthuggery that have no basis in reality.

And I’m not sure what you’d have me say. I admitted right off the bat that my placement of Haye over Vitali may have been ill-considered. Again: I ADMITTED I may be wrong.

Apparently that’s not good enough for you, though. Maybe had I said something like, “OH MY GAWD. IM SO STOOPID! I BAN MYSELF FROM EVER TALKING BOXING AGIN! K BAI!” that would have done the trick.

These kinds of lists are tricky, since they’re so subjective and you’re forced to consider so many variables. It’s very easy to slip up, and no one list is ever going to please everyone.

by JasonTO on Dec 30, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, I was breaking your balls in a friendly way.

I do think Kittias is friendly too, but he’s friendly in the same way as a playful polar bear: he can kill you flat dead without really meaning to, and in some ways should probably be held just as accountable as said bear.

Mind you, I’m now talking bollocks, so I’m off to the pub. :)

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I my post wasn’t directed at you. Just Kittias.

You’ve been nothing but cordial since I got here. ;)

by JasonTO on Dec 30, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

… and in some ways should probably be held just as accountable as said bear.

No, I can and should be more civil and will endeavor to do so in the future. Apologies to all.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 31, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If you have a problem with my list, then you’re welcome to air them. But at least put forward a cogent argument as to why my rankings are wrong; don’t just throw out nonsensical accusations of nuthuggery that have no basis in reality.

1. You have Carl Froch ranked in the top 5 p4p when his accomplishments in no way warrant that kind of consideration. He, in fact, lost a fight as recently as April. Kessler, the man who defeated him, hasn’t lost since that time and it has been less than a year, so how can Kessler not be ranked above him, let alone not ranked in your top 25, near as I can tell?

2. David Haye’s accomplishments in no way warrant him being ranked within three spots of Wladimir, much less no fewer than eight spots ahead of Vitali. Harrisson, Ruiz, Valuev, Barrett, Maccarinelli. That’s Haye 2010 to 2008 inclusive. Meanwhile Wladimir has dominated the division since 2005 and became the undisputed Ring HW champion in 2008. Vitali, after a four year retirement, has come back to dominate the opposition, win the one belt his brother doesn’t have (WBC) and crush the two brightest hopes for American heavyweights of the latter half of this decade (Arreola and Kevin Johnson). So ranking Haye within striking distance of Wladimir and well ahead of Vitali is nonsensical.

So, those are the cogent arguments about why those rankings are incorrect. In other news, as I mentioned, I have a personal pet peeve about the irrationally high rankings of British fighters, and that might speak to my possible overreaction. You are right, however, that you shouldn’t be made to suffer for that, and I will continue to grind my teeth and wail to the gods myself every time I see David Haye mentioned as a legit heavyweight and try not to make you suffer for it.

Please accept my apologies.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 31, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Vitali. Harrisson, Ruiz, Valuev, Barrett, Maccarinelli. That’s Haye 2010 to 2008 inclusive.

Without checking, I think he fought Bonin and Mormeck in that time period?

Meanwhile Wladimir has dominated the division since 2005 and became the undisputed Ring HW champion in 2008.

Again, without checking, I thought Wlad won the Ring belt in 2010 against Chagaev? (could have been late 2009?)

win the one belt his brother doesn’t have (WBC)

What about the WBA belt? Or are we ignoring that?

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Jan 1, 2011 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Without checking, I think he fought Bonin and Mormeck in that time period?

They were both 07.

Again, without checking, I thought Wlad won the Ring belt in 2010 against Chagaev? (could have been late 2009?)

You’re right. June 2009.

What about the WBA belt? Or are we ignoring that?

Given that they let Evander fight for it in late 2008 it’s hard to take it seriously but, again, you’re right: I shouldn’t let my personal prejudices influence my arguments. And it’s not like the WBC are a bunch of saints either.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 1, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even remember writing that post.

My God I was steaming last night. Happy New Year, KK… :)

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Jan 1, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And yet you're still finding my inaccuracies and hyperbole.

Now you’re just showing off, Chaos.

A happy 2011 to you and yours, as well.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jan 1, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on your critique of cynicism in general....

But I remain skeptical about Froch in particular.
His resume is solid enough. His record as well.

But the way in which he was made to look so bad by Andre Dirrell was far too great for me to rank him so highly. I mean he looked like guy in a tough man contest matched for the first time against a genuine boxer. Clumsy and clueless.

I hate Arthur Abraham and love what Froch did to exploit and embarrass him in the ring….but not enough to forget how bad he looked previously.

He’s a gritty guy no doubt….but my guess is that he is one more really good boxer from seeing loss number two.

by pakinpower on Dec 29, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean he looked like guy in a tough man contest matched for the first time against a genuine boxer.

Who was that street-fighter who was supposedly unbeatable and then went in with a pro fighter, with pretty obvious results? I don’t mean Kimbo, either (although Kimbo is also a decent parallel)

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by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Cody Koch?

That was a while ago though.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=7545&cat=boxer

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by Brickhaus on Dec 31, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'mtrying hard to think of who he fought. I'm sure it was mentioned on here before, and he went and fought a top fighter, or at least a name we all know.

Damn….

He had some stupid nickname too, I think JC40 might have been the one who mentioned him. For some reason I keep thinking of Caveman Lee, but it’s not him.

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 31, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a middleweight? Or somewhere like that? I don't think it was a heavyweight, but I could well be wrong.

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 31, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And it was a while back: maybe in the 80's or 90's. God this is doing my head in.

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 31, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a gritty guy no doubt….but my guess is that he is one more really good boxer from seeing loss number two.

This. I really like Froch (though he narrowly won the fight with Kessler, though I think Kessler is sort of like Cotto in that while he’s still viable, he’s not the same guy any more), but his win over Abraham says WAY more about Abraham than it did about Carl.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

“thought he narrowly won the first fight with Kessler,” that is.

by The Boxer Rebellion on Dec 30, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

20-25? Try top-5. Or at least that’s where I have him in my rankings.

Reduce your drug use?

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 30, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But it’s prescription!

by JasonTO on Dec 30, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haha

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by Scott Christ on Dec 31, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. I’ve got serious Froch fandom going on anyway, so it’s all cool. Those outside the top 10, top 15 can all be moved around with ease, I guess. Out of interest, how close do you think guys like DeGale, Lemieux and Alvarez are to being in this list already?

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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 29, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Alvarez is just barely outside of the top 100. DeGale and Lemieux are further back. All three could be in next year.

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by Scott Christ on Dec 29, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

if i didnt think Dirrell soundly beat him

He’d be top 10. I suspect Scott is fairly similar. But if I remember correctly, we both scored that one 117-111 for Dirrell, and I know I had Froch-Kessler closer than he did (after rewatching several times, I have it a draw).

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by Brickhaus on Dec 30, 2010 1:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think I had that score too and I thought that Froch should have had some points deducted for punching behind the head (rabbit punching). I’m really low on Froch. Kessler won that fight, not easily, but he won the fight. Abraham is not good, for gosh sakes he ‘lost’ to Miranda. Taylor was absolute toast when he beat him. Pascal is not good either. Dawson will destroy him in the rematch and he also lost that fight Hopkins. Dawson-Pascal II is going to look like Bute-Andrade II or Williams-Quintana II or Martinez-Williams II. I also think that Froch is going to lose to Johnson, just saying.

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by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Think You're Right

about Froch-Johnson. Think you might be wrong re Pascal-Dawson 2 tho—Dawson is a much better boxer than Pascal, you’re right about that part, but there’s really no heart in him. If Pascal, who’s not a bad fighter, and is a brave fighter, hurts Dawson once, he’ll start running again.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 30, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what happened with Hopkins.

Except while Pascal (and most of us, if we’re honest) assumed Hopkins would run away from Pascal, he ran in exactly the opposite direction :)

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Dawson = leopards and spots. Heart’s not something you learn.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 30, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you're preaching to the bishop. :)

I’ve never rated Dawson. Never. Partially because I agree with what you’re saying, but partially because I’ve just never been convinced he’s very good. I always said Hopkins would beat him, I picked Pascal over him.

Just for fun:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/8/10/984301/has-hopkins-still-got-too-much-for

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Tarver vs Dawson

was a boring fight between two skilled chickens. It’s the fight that got me down on Dawson. And Tarver, as a fighter.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 30, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

every single time Pascal clocked Dawson in that fight, Dawson got this insulted look on his face as tho’ Pascal was being really rude, or something.

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by BoxAnne on Dec 30, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Abraham is not good, for gosh sakes he ‘lost’ to Miranda.

What?

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Just like Froch ‘lost’ to Dirrell

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by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You thought Miranda should have got the decision?

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

"The bell that tolls for all in boxing belongs to a cash register."
-Bob Verdi

by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never seen or heard anyone else say that.

Not having a pop, either, but I thought Abraham won wide and clear, broken jaw and all.

You’ve piqued my interest now though, I’ll have to have another look… :)

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It should have been a knockout

It was really bad refereeing. I think they were fairly even in terms of rounds, but Miranda was docked 5 points, a few of which weren’t really justified. But I honestly don’t think Abraham makes it out of that fight if the referee didn’t allow Abraham’s corner to fix him up during the five minutes where he was supposedly recovering from a headbutt.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 30, 2010 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

a few of which weren’t really justified

I didn’t think any of those were justified. That was one of the most disgustingly refereed fights I’ve ever seen.

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by Oli Goldstein on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I just had a quick look on Boxrec to see if it was closer than I remembered on the cards

and I’m definitely not arguing that judges never get it wrong, especially in Germany.

But, for curiosity’s sake, the judges cards were:

judge: Raffaele Argiolas 114-109
judge: Larry Hazzard 115-109
judge: Dave Parris 116-109

All for Abraham. I’ll still watch the fight again though.

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 30, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember the points deductions being a little shady as well.

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by Waldo Rastel on Dec 30, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

4 out of the 5 points deducted were shady...

There was one trademark Miranda low-blow in the 10th that was fair enough…The ridiculous amount of time that was given for Abraham to recover from the broken jaw too helped Arthur. I think the fight would have been stopped if it took place anywhere outside of Germany. It was close on the scorecards, but Miranda had been robbed way before that.

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by Dafs on Dec 30, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah deciding whats a robbery this time

is tough because the ref was also involved in rigging the fight. I think he won on the card because of bad deductions to much recovery time etc. Now, I had him winning the fight but only because of that. So I guess I’m halfway with you guys.

by journeyintosound on Dec 30, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s just make it easy: every single fighter, outside of Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, and maybe Juan Manuel Marquez, sucks, is overrated, or is a fluke.

Is that good enough for you?

by JasonTO on Dec 30, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, to be fair…it DOES make things easier.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 30, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Dec 31, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad I'm not the only one who's still a Koki fan...

that bantamweight class is astonishingly good…

And the fact that undervalued fighters like Joyi, Cazares and Acosta get the recognition they deserve is great… These names probably don’t get in the top 50 with The RING and Yahoo.

Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.

by Dafs on Dec 29, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

I get the feeling that Joyi will be one of those "what could have been" type fighters

The guy’s really, really good. In terms of pure skills, he reminds me of a smarter version of Paul Williams. Joyi-Gonzalez is really high on my wish list, but I know realistically it will never happen.

We’ll get a better idea of how good Acosta really is after the Rios fight. I get the feeling he’ll just counter Rios to death, but I could be wrong. But he doesn’t strike me as someone with insane talent or anything. Just a better boxer than he gets credit for.

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by Brickhaus on Dec 30, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Acosta is a poor man’s Marquez, and I see him beating Rios comfortably like Peterson did in the first round before he lost all track of the gameplan. I’m not big on Rios, maybe that’s why I’ll be picking Acosta, but the styles don’t mesh well for him.

Joyi/Gonzalez should be on everyone’s wish list, it’s the perfect boxer vs. brawler fight. I favour Joyi by a very wide decision, but we won’t get to find out unfortunately.

Still searching for an alive Dan Tucker.

by Dafs on Dec 30, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, SC?

Nice job. Way to put in some real work and have some original content. Good research and lots of work writing it up. Much respect for the time and intellectual horsepower taken up in creating this post. Thanks for all you’ve done this year, in previous years, and will do next year. I know that’s not perfect parallel construction, but I’m drunk on Jameson’s.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Dec 31, 2010 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Pah. Jameson's? You can never criticize anyone, ever again.

In 2008 Lewis commented on a possible match up with Riddick Bowe. "He waits until I am in retirement to call out my name," said Lewis. "I will come out of retirement to beat up that guy. I'll beat him up for free."

by Chaos100 on Jan 1, 2011 4:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Lot’s of work and some great insight went into this article .
Nice one .
Puts me to shame really ….I don’t watch enough boxing of late .
Maybe I’ll quit my job .

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