Sergio Martinez-Miguel Cotto Off the Table, Says DiBella
Promoter Lou DiBella told BoxingScene.com's Rick Reeno that a potential catchweight fight between middleweight champion Sergio Martinez and Top Rank's junior middleweight titlist Miguel Cotto is off the table after a disagreement between DiBella and Arum.
In short, Arum did not want to co-promote with DiBella, and instead offered him a buyout figure of $2.5 million against the upside of the pay-per-view. DiBella offered a $5 million buyout, but Arum was not interested. DiBella said the promoters weren't mad about not coming to terms, but that his fighter (Martinez) is "not an opponent" and that DiBella is a promoter, and "not a booking agent."
All signs now point to a rematch between Cotto and Antonio Margarito, who recently went back to work in the gym following his punishing beating at the hands of Manny Pacquiao. DiBella, who is never at a loss for words, had this to say about that fight:
"How does Antonio Margarito, who got destroyed in two of his last three fights, and looked like s**t in the other fight against a total bum...how is he more viable in a rematch with Cotto, than Cotto against Martinez? And the winner fighting Pacquiao? Why would anyone buy either of those rematches?"
It's hard to argue the point as it stands there, but truthfully I'm not that disappointed about not getting Martinez-Cotto, which as much as I still like Cotto just screamed physical mismatch. Cotto was a fairly small welterweight and is a tiny junior middleweight. Martinez isn't a big middleweight, but is a big junior middleweight, and would have substantial height and reach advantages. Martinez is older than Cotto, but has also taken far less punishment in his career and seems to be peaking lately, while Cotto peaked years ago.
Of course, Lou knows exactly how Cotto-Margarito II is viable. It's got a huge amount of controversial backstory, both guys are still stars within their target demographics, it's Puerto Rico-Mexico, and it's all-Top Rank.
For DiBella's fighter, the end result of this is probably a Sergio Martinez fight that isn't all that exciting. As good as he is and as much as he deserves a major fight, there just isn't one available at 160 pounds, really. The new crop of strong young middleweights won't be ready for him until the latter stages of 2011 at the earliest, and the guys up top are along the lines of Felix Sturm. Of course DiBella and Martinez are willing to lose a few pounds to fight someone like Pacquiao, Cotto or Mayweather, but those guys are just smaller than he is and can make a lot of money without fighting Martinez. The same cannot be said of Martinez's other options, not that he'll wind up starving no matter who he fights.
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problem with Dibella's position
Is that 2.5M is better than Martinez will be paid with against anyone else other than Pacquiao or Mayweather. I mean I doubt he’d make that for a Pirog/Lee/Zbik fight, right? So, even without co-promting the fight, it may be the best deal out there. And I don’t think the fight is risky , Martinez should be heavily favored. I think it’s the best option out of a lot of not very good ones.
The problem with this argument is someone has to break up what Bob Arum has been doing for years now.
When was the last time a big name Arum fighter fought anyone besides another fighter in his stable? I’m very suprised there doesn’t seem to be much outrage on the way he has monopolized his fighters. Arum has cost all of us the chance to see great fights because he wants to make every dollar off the events his fighters participate in. I understand most promoters do this sometimes, but every time is ridiculous. I guess Pacquiao’s next fight will be against the jewish kid Cotto beat up, right? Or JCC Jr.?
I agree 100000%…look at my sig haha!
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
Martinez-Zbik in February
Book it. On HBO, in the US, probably on a card with another mismatch or two. Maybe they can stick Martinez-Zbik, Berto-Aydin and Bailey-Zaveck (assuming Bailey beats Said Ouali this weekend) on the same card and get all his fighters’ crappy mandatories out of the way.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Unless Cotto fights and loses before June, expect a rematch with Margarito
Arum has said as much and there is no reason to thionk otherwise.
Personally, I love it.
I have always believed that…all things being even…Margarito would beat Cotto. Now that both men have been beaten by Manny and the hand wraps are going to be checked (something Cotto’s corner was responsible for checking the first and every time), all things are even.
The first fight was great.
I have no reason to believe the second will be anything less.
martinez-lee
i might be in the minority but i’m interested in sergio martinez-andy lee
not that i think lee could win, but sergio deserves an easier fight after 4 tough ones in a row
"deserves an easier fight"
Ugh. Why? Shouldn’t we expect champions to take good fights? Guys fight twice a year now, make it count.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
i agree but
andy lee is still a better opponent at 160 than say the gary locketts or miguel espinos of the division… plus beyond the quality of the fight itself, i think it might be a nice way to build sergio some more hype which he totally deserves… some greater reward not commensurate with the low risk
He might be better than Gary Lockett or Miguel Espino
But there are still about 30 other guys I’d rather see him fight, probably including his mandatory. Just a lot of them don’t have name recognition.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Time is not on Martinez's side.
Certainly not by any fault of his own, in fact, quite the opposite, he just happens to be right smack dab in the middle of… nowhere. But DiBella doesn’t have much time to waste.
I would like to see Sergio fight Cintron again and Angulo. Both fights should be competitive; Cintron in particular. Their last scrap was a good one and Cintron looked even better before he flew/jumped/fell our of the ring in his last disappearance.
And Angulo should just step up. I mean what the hell is he waiting for if not to fight for a championship.
COTTO VS MARGARITO
I would like to see Cotto get another chance at Margarito. I think things would be vastly different this time and Cotto would erase the loss to Margarito off his record.
We're going to get it, Tex
Arum spoke about NYC and finally mentioned Giant Stadium as a possible venue.
Me, I’ll take the Garden. Better views all around. Unbeatable atmosphere.
NY taxes are really high
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Dec 8, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
You got a point
Depends on how much they think they can sell the tickets for. It’s a pain in the ass to get out to Giant’s stadium for 99% of New Yorkers. Need to take a bus to get there unless you happen to own a car, and the only ones who do would be buying floor seating. Frankly, more people from Jersey and Staten Island attend Giants and Jets games than people from New York proper, and I suspect Cotto’s fan base is in New York proper, not really in Jersey.
Actually, they’d probably have a much better time selling out Citi Field, which is closer to their respective fan bases than MSG, Yankees Stadium or Giants Stadium.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
All of that is true about Giants Stadium
The talk about it started after Dallas when Steve Forbes, Arum and Jerry Jones watched Manny beat Margarito. I think Forbes…not knowing his Giants were about to lose to the Cowboys…..was impressed by what he saw at Texas Stadium the night of the fight. He loves boxing and he’s friends with Arum and Todd dB. So it makes sense that they have discussed it.
Personally, I have no interest in the stadium per se. As New Yorker, give me the Yankee Stadium or the Garden anytime. But no one is asking me.
I will say that at the press conference for Pacquiao and Margarito there were plenty of Margarito fans. Mexican no doubt. I don’t think North Jersey lacks for any living there either. As for the Puerto Ricans,they will go where Miguel goes. The Garden, Yankee Stadium, the Boardwalk….and I suspect Giant Stadium if that be the case
I have no interest in seeing Cotto vs. Margarito 2… I actually agree with Pakin that Margarito would probably beat Cotto again, and therefore, I have no desire to let Margarito off the hook. I’d rather he live the rest of his life with the doubt in people’s minds.
I agree with Scott in that I wasn’t too interested in seeing Cotto vs. Martinez either. There aren’t many fights I’d want to see Cotto in right now. I love Miguel Cotto, but I just can’t help but feel that if he steps up again, he’s going to get badly beaten again. Steward might help, but I dunno…
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
Cotto is getting better at speaking English and smarter in managing his affairs.
Saying he will fight Martinez gives him options…and leverage. But he won’t for a number of reasons. One Arum. Two Arum. And three, Arum.
If he fights Martinez, he loses any chance at mad ‘Manny’ money. He may even lose Margarito money. So that’s Two Arums.
If he stays in house, he might get Shane as well. That’s three Arums…assuming Shane leaves GB and let’s TR book his next remaining acts.
Is this supposed to be a reply to this comment or to the one I made below with the link saying that Cotto is still considering it? Either way, I’m a little confused because the link I provided was in Spanish hehe =)
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
I don’t think Cotto will be fighting the same Cheato as before by a long shot—he’s flesh and bone too, and AM was hurt worse by Pacquiao than Cotto was by Margarito, as bad as that was—nothing was broken. Margarito will now be taking shots to a previously thoroughly broken face. Cotto’s not so shot he can’t beat than, I don’t think.
There is no safety in numbers, or in anything else--James Thurber, 1939
you may be right, but the Margarito I saw against Pac was taking a lot of punishment and kept coming forward… Cotto has never been particularly known for his stamina… You may be right in thinking that Pac’s beating took a lot out of Margarito, it would have to, really… it was a thorough thorough beating. But I dunno… I still think Margarito’s biggest punishment is the cloud of doubt on all of his career.
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
I like that last line
He’ll never be able to erase that in many minds…and he has no one to blame but himself.
I think the Margarito that fought through Manny for twelve rounds ws still a threat even when he was hurt. His conditioning is off the hook. His willingness to take punishment to delieve it is unparalled (except maybe Arce). He is still very strong and always come prepared. Any let down on the opart of the other fighter…and Margarito is in your face.
Manny knew that…and as much as he was ahead he never stopped moving and throwing. But Cotto is not nor was ever Manny. He not only stops…but he has a terrible habit of showing signs of fatigue. Margarito does not. He fights through them.
Im not saying Marg beats Miguel every time. I am saying that any time they fight….it’s a war.
And I like wars.
In the ring.
Question is, Pakin: At what point does the Margo who took big punishment against Cotto the 1st time around--
huge punishment against Shane
and suffered what was nearly legalized torture against Manny, finally = a fatally diminished Margo?
He better hope he can still walk down and bust up Cotto, or many will have an excuse to question his whole career.
by Don From Prov on Dec 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's obviously a good question Don
And whether it be in this fight or the next the Margarito that we watched most of his career may no longer show up….or hold up. That is part of why I like this fight so much.
After all, he will be meeting Miguel Cotto….another man who took a twp viscous beatings himself, the first by Margarito and the second by Manny. And Miguel got dropped and stopped both times. I respect him to no end but IMO he does not have much more punch resistance left. If Yuri Foreman could make him wince, imagine The Tornado.
Both men have a lot to prove. Both will be trained to the teeth. The rematch has so many angles. The fight should be a war.
Margarito's chin certainly has been dented
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
BTW, for what its worth, Miguel Cotto told the Puerto Rican press today that he hasn’t scratched the idea of fighting Sergio Martinez yet. He said he’s still “considering it”.
For those of you who speak Spanish, here’s the link: http://www.primerahora.com/miguelcottosevistedepaciencia-450964.html
Fire Steve Addazio
I will not buy any PPV promoted by Bob Arum.
It does look like Cotto and Martinez may meet...in the fall.
After and if…they get through their next opponents
What about going up?
Bute/Martinez would be a great fight and Lou works with Showtime… Maybe do it at a catch weight, say 165?
I also would love to see a Williams rematch in what would be a very sell-able fight, although Williams prob needs a win or two after nearly being decapitated in their last fight.
Martinez wants the money luring welterweights into his net
He obviously doesnt feel the same about fighting at catchweights against bigger men. Nor does DiBella.And I dont blame them.
The problem is that Sergio by himself is not a major catch……and the risk reward for the very best welters to meet him closer to his natural fighting weight is not worth it. at l;east for those who can make more without him

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