AOL FanHouse sat down with reigning WBC lightweight titlist Edwin Valero for a Q&A session. Valero (26-0, 26 KO) takes on Antonio DeMarco (23-1-1, 17 KO) this Saturday at Arena Monterrey, televised on Showtime.
FanHouse: What do you believe that beating Antonio Demarco will do for your career?
Edwin Valero: This fight means a lot. Depending on what happens -- and it should go my way -- a win in this fight would open a lot more doors for bigger fights.
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In Texas I think
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Texas.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Texas
But now he has visa issues
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Tony DeMarco Next Victim for El Inca."
Edwin "El Inca" Valero is an equal opportunity destroyer having dispatched Colombians, Americans, Panamanians, Argentinians, Mexicans, Armenians, Japanese, and even Venezuelans. And whether he fights in his adopted base of Japan or his native Venezuela (or somewhere in between), he brings incredible excitement into the ring, and it’s as much about his vulnerabilities as it is his skills.
The way he used to come in throwing wide and looping punches from different angles just begged for a fast and straight puncher to take him out and most aficionados knew it. Indeed, he closely resembled his friend Daniel Ponce de Leon who threw wide (and wild), albeit powerful, punches . However, Daniel’s style was finally solved by Juan Manuel Lopez who moved straight in between the Mexican’s wild punches and waxed him in the first round.
However, that was then and this is now and though Valero can brawl with the best, he has undergone subtle changes the most important of which is that his punches are no longer thrown as widely leaving him open for straight and short inside work. The old Valero (now 26-0) has improved and, along with solid foot movement and better balance (which he likely has learned in Japan), he now uses an effective jab as a range finder, and once he does find the range, he opens up with straight-ahead volume punching designed to knockout or set up his opponent for the kill. In short, Edwin Valero has improved from the bloodied and rugged brawler who beat tough Vicente Mosquera in Panama in 2006. to a more accomplished performer who took Hector Velazquez to school on December 19.
DeMarco
He will meet Antonio DeMarco (23-1-1) on February 2, 2010 in Mexico with his WBC lightweight title on the line. While Tony will have the height and reach advantage in this fight, it will take more than that to hold off "El Inca’s old school relentless pressure backed by deceptively superb conditioning which gives him a distinct edge in stamina in his fights. I say deceptively because he fights with his mouth somewhat open giving the false impression he might be tiring, but Valero reportedly is a legend in the Los Angels gyms because of his brutal training routines.
DeMarco, who has a fine jab, good skills, late power and is a superb closer, is no pushover and the way he savaged "Kid Diamond" earlier this year was impressive as was his decisive KO of Anges Adjaho in July. While his KO percentage of 68 is impressive, it does not begin to compare with Valero’s 100%. But whose does?
Valero is more experienced, has fought against a better level of opposition, has more power, and may be a different fighter than Tony’s camp expects or has prepared for. While there is a lot of hype associated with his rise, he remains an old school type once he comes sauntering down the aisle and enters the ring with full focus. He is all business as he prepares to do battle. Of course, there are the intangibles associated to his personal life, but these have not impacted his boxing so far.
The Prediction
The slow-starting DeMarco (who bears a slight resemblance to Margarito once he has his man hurt), will be caught by the fast starting Valero and hurt early and often until he no longer can take the onslaught and retires on his stool sometime in the mid rounds. Valero must be on the lookout for DeMarco’s head because Tony has been know to be reckless with that part of his body. On the other hand, "El Inca" has not been shy about using his as well, but more in retaliation than as a preeminent weapon.
Afterwards
Assuming he dispatches DeMarco, "El Inca"will have some great paydays looming including possible fights with Michael Katsidis, the tall and dangerous Ali Funeka and maybe a somewhat shot Juan Diaz at a lower weight. Of course, moving up to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr and/or Manny Pacquiao,while certainly mega-lucrative, may not be wisest choices for someone who wants to remain undefeated.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions
lol @ baby bull being shot. no evidence of that whatsoever
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Feb 1, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
he looked bad in his lost fight and if my memory serves me, he got hurt by a guy with 4 KOs. He may be shot.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
he looked bad because his team had a miserable game plan, and he was fighting a slickster while also moving up in weight (a whole 4.5 lbs!). yes, the stun shot from paulie was embarrassing, but other top fighters have had questionable moments of chinnyness that weren’t automatically labeled “shot”.
The Dude Abides
by battle axe of doom on Feb 2, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
lol do you mean juan diaz?
valero would destroy him.
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-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
I mean the Diaz that was mentioned in the comment immediately above my own, so yes, I mean Juan Diaz.
I don’t know what you think you’re laughing out loud about, as that really doesn’t make any sense in context.
well excuse me all to hell i didn’t read the comment above yours at first.
and yes, the thought of anything thinking juan diaz can beat edwin valero does make me laugh out loud.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
anyone thinking*
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
Well that’s funny, because I thought I said that Valero was a bad style matchup for Diaz (hint, that means that I think Valero would beat Diaz). So maybe you didn’t read my post or the one above mine before you replied.
My argument with psycho is over, so I’m not going to address the merits of this comment. I do think commenters who act like this (JC40 captured it better than I could) are deeply lame.
And I think commenters that respond to innocuous posts aggressively are even lamer. Leave that stuff to other boxing sites.
Right, sure you do. That’s why you did exactly what you claim to dislike. While injecting yourself into a debate that (a) didn’t concern you, and (b) was already over. If it’s necessary to engage in blog jackassery, at least give it to me pure, without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
I’ve been around here for a while and, for the record, I actually like psycho’s comments, our argument from yesterday notwithstanding. I’ve never seen you before and don’t know where you get off playing blog policeman.
by taco pal on Feb 2, 2010 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I did not asy he was shot; I said he was somewhat shot. But I was being nice. He is as done as burnt toast IMO. He needs to finish school and get out while he can. Valero would wax him. Howvere, I AM a big Valero fan and readily admit to a bias here.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions
It's not that I think Valero will necessarily lose
But I think this fight will bust the myth of Edwin Valero. His fatal flaws will become readily apparent as the fight wears on.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
this comment is so vague and silly. so when valero loses to whoever, he will be proven to be a myth and all his flaws will become apparent?
nobody is unbeatable. you can say this about any fighter in history when they lost for the first time. .
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
The comment is vague
but not silly. Even Midnight Rambler alludes to Valero’s flaws, and I think most boxing fans have observed them for themselves. Haven’t you? Are you saying you have no idea what flaws Brick is talking about? Because Rambler spelled them out pretty well in the article above. One could add a one dimensional style and an untested defense to the list, imho. The question is whether, as Midnight Rambler suggests, Valero has improved, or whether, as Brick suggests, this is wishful thinking.
Personally, I haven’t seen any real indication that Valero has improved significantly. His punches are a little less loopy than when he started—and that combined with his swarming offensive may be enough to see him through DeMarco—but this is far from a sure thing, imho, and I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if Brick is right.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
has nothing to do with valeros flaws as fighter. again, every fighter who put on a pair of gloves has had a flaw and is beatable any given night. just because they are beaten one night doesn’t diminish what they have accomplished or proves they were a "myth’
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
People use the word "myth" when there is a lot of hype about a boxer and they don't think it is justified.
I don’t see the problem with that. Certainly there has been a lot of hype about Valero, and if he turns out not to be the start some folks think he will be, than this hype will have been exposed as a myth. This is pretty basic stuff, no?
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
"star" not "start"
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
When great fighters fight great fighters, one of them will lose.
SC said that recently.
I hate this attitude that when a fighter loses, that makes him in some way a lesser fighter. Lennox Lewis had 2 off days in his career; would you say he was ‘exposed’ as a ‘myth’ on those occasions?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
not to defend lennox or anything but yea this is where im getting.
i would have used mike tyson circa 1990 as an example.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
But surely you would agree that Valero
isn’t even close to as proven of a fighter as Lennox was then or Manny was now? I mean come on, let’s get real here. Both the Manny and Lennox comparisons are REALLY far fetched at this stage in Valero’s career!
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I'm simply saying that a defeat does not necessarily 'expose' someone as a 'myth'.
If Valero got outpowered by Paulie Malignaggi, you could debunk his power as a myth based on that.
But losing a fight to another live opponent doesn’t make someone a myth, in my eyes. If that were the case, then what is the antithesis?
One win making someone a ‘great’ fighter?
Does the fact that Douglas beat Tyson make him an all-time great?
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
well you could say that it takes
a lot to build up a good legacy but very little to have it tarnished and, by this harsh process, we see the really great legacies emerge.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think either DeMarco or Valero is "great"
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I don't think they are, either.
But they are both at least ‘good’, and I don’t think that it’s fair to ask fighters to fight other accomplished fighters and then claim that the loser has been ‘exposed’.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
No
But the term "exposed’ does have its place, as in when a fight exposes the fighter’s weakness for all to exploit in the future, and that’s exactly the intent I had behind using that word here. I don’t use “exposed” much – it was very intentional that I used it in this specific instance.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
any hype is justified for someone who has done what valero has with his knock out streak. same as the hype around manny now for what he has done the past couple years. just because they lose doesn’t diminish that. if manny gets knocked out by clotty does that take away from what he has accomplished? no way. not to compare the 2 as fighters and their accomplishments but same goes for valero for when he loses. just because a fighter doesn’t live up to someones high expectations makes them a myth.
i guess its basic talk now but its just gibberish that means next to nothing.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
What exactly has Valero accomplished????
Beating an over the hill Mosquera? Winning a paper title? He’s built up this huge reputation on the basis of doing jack squat. THAT’s why I call it a myth. It doesn’t exist. Just like Breidis Prescott was a myth and Victor Oganov was a myth. Valero’s better than those two for sure, but his downfall will be similar and precipitous. Valero has been protected and has fought a bunch of guys designed to make him look good. Fortunately for him, he’s in a really weak weight class right now, and he can probably keep the charade going for a while longer if he gets past DeMarco.
But any smart boxer with a decent beard should be able to beat him, and they should be able to do it surprisingly easily. Just from what I’ve seen of DeMarco in the past, I don’t know if he’s disciplined enough to stick to a good gameplan without mixing it up and leaving his average-ish chin open to get cracked.
If Valero can ‘destroy’ DeMarco, I’ll happily eat my words on this one.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That's what I call a prospect
I don’t know if you can call it a ‘myth’ – that’s why were tuning in, to see if he’s legit. I think his power is absolutely nasty. His punches just explode. He’s certainly flawed, but I want to see somebody follow through on your ‘good boxer beats big puncher’ theory.
I don’t think DeMarco’s the many to do that. I got got Valero by 6th rd destruction.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
He's a two-weight titlist
And they market him as a two-weight titlist, so I don’t really think of him as a prospect anymore. Valero is a protected paper titlist. DeMarco is a prospect, on the other hand.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
did he kill your dog or bang your sister?
the whole comment reeks of more blind hatred for him. same kind of hatred that cintron and hopkins get from you.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
I don't have any beef with him personally
I just think he’s way overhyped, and I’m calling it in advance. If I’m wrong, then great, but I just don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as advertised.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
What level is his “good as advertised?” – I mean, I haven’t seen the Valero hype apparently? Is someone saying he’s Pacman or Floyd? haven’t seen that.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I've seen a lot of people put him in their top 10 pound for pound lists
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
who is that?
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
It was only a few months back that Freddie Roach said Valero was in the pound for pound top 5..
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Feb 2, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
well he knows a thing or two about a thing or two about boxing. its a bit high on my rankings but thats what mythological p4p rankings are all about.
theres that myth word again.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
that word really is popping up way too often! personally, i think it’s still too early to be judging Valero either as a myth or as a top pound for pound guy: yes, he’s got his technical faults and the argument could be made that someone will soon just box his ears off, and yes, he’s a two-weight paper titlist who hasn’t really fought anyone of real distinction; however, whatever he’s been up against, he’s dispatched successfully. I think the time to judge Valero as either ‘myth’ or sensation will be if/when he fights some top guys: if he’s exposed then, the myth argument would certainly have more credibility.
"The terror of the unforeseen is what the science of history hides, turning a disaster into an epic"
by Oli Goldstein on Feb 2, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doug Fischer also has him top 10 I believe
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Doug Fischer is crazy
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
The man is very chill in person and was very cool to talk to. However, we didn’t hit any of his crazy topics including Floyd or Valero.
If I saw him I would like a chat
He seems like a nice guy but the extent of his bias alarms me at times.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 3, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m inclined to agree with this, but I have to admit that Doug Fischer’s all-out man love for him gives me some pause.
I don’t think Fischer’s any more or less insightful than the average boxing journalist, but (1) he does know more than, say, me, (2) since he’s based in LA and does the gym round-up or whatever, he’s also seen Valero a lot more than a lot of other writers, and (3) he’s just so vehement about it that it makes me wonder if there isn’t something real there.
Agreed about Fischer
He is blatantly unreasonable in how favourable or unfavourablke he is to some fighters and this damages his journalistic value in my eyes. Also does he really have to out a letter about comic books into every bloody mailbag post!?
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Watch his last fight against Velasquezon YOUTUBE.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
More specifically then
People allude to Valero as some kind of unstoppable force who should be able to bowl anyone over, forgetting the fact that he’s faced really bad competition so far. Yes, he’s a big puncher, but he has yet to face someone who’s long and disciplined and willing to box from the outside. Valero now sort of reminds me of where Edison Miranda was before he fought Kelly Pavlik. I don’t think DeMarco will bust the myth of Valero with that much of an exclamation point, but I do think that during the points when he fights smart, Valero’s flaws will be so obvious that someone will be able to capitalize on them shortly thereafter, if he doesn’t stay completely protected.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The argument about "myth" or
hype notwithstanding (and never to be agreed upon), I haven’t seen that much of either fighter, but I do like DeMarco and think that if he’s still around—and not by virtue of being battered but surviving—into the late-middle rounds, things could get interesting. The kid may be too green for the moment, but he has skills, heart, and can pop some. Brickhaus could become omniscient very suddenly here.
If he can survive El Inca’s early onslaugh and get into the late rounds, he will have a very good chance of winning. He gets stronger as the ight progresses. Still, Valero has great, great stamina.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Still, Valero has great, great stamina.
Does he? He’s fought ten rounds exactly once in 26 fights. The vast majority of his fights have been one round. I can’t say there’s any real evidence that Valero’s stamina is a strength. There’s similarly none that it’s a weakness.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Huh? I’m hardly prone to making statements that I can’t back up. He is a living legend in the Souhthern California gyms. He trains with a boxer friend of mine from La Puente, Mike Anchondo and Mike tells me about his marathon training routines that have become legend. He also is a great pressuer fighter in the mold of South Africans who keeps coming and coming and coming. That’s my evidence. and I’ll stand by it 100%. He also trains with Daniel Ponce de leon. Also, why the disproportionate dsilke for Vlaero? He went 10 brutal rounds with Mosquera, 7 with Velaszquez, 7 with Shimada and 8 with Honmo. I’m beginning to think If I said the sky was blue, you might say it’s black.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops, Valero. My hand-eye coordination is still off.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I agree – there is disproportionate hate for Valero here. Of all the ‘commercial product’ guys, the JCCjrs, the Juanma Lopez, this guy CAN hit for real.
Compare the ‘overhyped’ vitriol in this thread to the verbal BJs on the Juanma threads. (And I know you’re a Juanma fan, I’m just saying…)
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I’m as big a non-Puerto Rican Juanma fanboy as you’re going to find probably, but I agree that his last three performances have taken some starch out of him. Lontchi was a pain in the ass, Mtagwa got him to fight stupid and almost knocked him out flat, and he just started off so sluggish against Luevano. I’m probably going to give a good overhaul-type look at the P4P top 20 after this weekend and see how I’m feeling. Lopez is almost certain to drop some. If Valero really waxes DeMarco, he’s probably coming in.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Valero has been in about one really hard fight, which was against Mosquera. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not totally sold on him having “great, great stamina” because he’s a gym rat. I want to see him in against someone who makes him work harder than he wants to. Velasquez hadn’t had a good win in two years and doesn’t have a whole lot of them in his career. Honmo couldn’t punch and Shimada hadn’t fought anyone worth noting in a full four years before the Valero fight.
I really do like Edwin Valero. For a long time I was skeptical of him overall, but the guy punches like a Mack truck from the pits of hell. And I was impressed with his overall performance against Velasquez for the reasons you stated below (using his jab, fighting more disciplined, etc.). I’m just not giving him overwhelming credit for stamina considering 73% of his fights have gone one round. I’m also not saying he’s Zab Judah.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
and btw
If anyone hasn’t seen Mosquera-Valero, that’s one to seek out. I think Ted and I can agree 100% on that one.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Yes, indeed.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Are you being truculent? LoL
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
“whatever ‘truculent’ means if its good i’m that”
-ali to howard cosell. one of my favorite ali quotes.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Feb 2, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nearly as good as
He will be all mine in round nine
And if he makes me sore we’ll cut it to four
And if that don’t do we’ll get him in two
And if he run we’ll get him in one!
On his first fight with Sonny Liston.
"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
im not one for riddles.
im more of the deadpan humor fan.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
@mikefareri on twitter.
by sonofapsycho on Feb 2, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
You got it!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Is he really a pressure fighter? I’ve only seem a couple of his fights on Youtube, but he struck me more as a slugger who needs to maintain a little bit of distance.
Oh heck yes. He is in-coming all the time. Never backs up.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if he was Valero’s trainer for his last fight, then I would say he is doing just great because Valero showed great improvement avoiding wild exchanges and using his jab quite well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
anything on the undercard televised?
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies..." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
Abregu-Gutierrez
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
He chin has never been tested and has has never faced a world class fighter…so that is why some people are not buying into the massive hype/myth train some people have made him out to be.
"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."
Mosquera decked him.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions
Look, DeMarco has a blueprint on how to win. The issue is whether he can stick to it. He must surviive Valero’s earl assault and battery and then take him into the later rounds when he (Tony) always seems to get stronger. Also, if he can hurt Vlaero, then his chance increase greatly as he is a superb closer. But I think those are too many “if’s.”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 1, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions
I’ve got DeMarco not surviving that assault and getting KO’d mid-way through.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME. I’D SAY THE 8 ROUND.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
This has been a great thread...
….for just having a photo up there…..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions
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