Ted the Bull's Scotch & Cigar Club #3

Margarito should never fight again.

Macanudo, nothing better. And I don’t drink so I’ll take a strong cup of joe.

Hope you don’t mind if I stick to bourbon. Since this is in hypothetical onlineland, let’s just say I’m drinking some Pappy Van Winkle 15.

I like the way Gamboa’s been progressing. He’s maintining his explosiveness, but he’s fixed a lot of the footwork problems that left him so off balance in the past. He still tends to overswing sometimes, leaving himself open to get countered, but he’s improving.

If Mexico’s willing to license Margarito, then so be it. Even if he was banned for life in the US, he’d still be able to fight in Mexico. But he won’t be getting my money when he’s on some small PPV.

With a budget in mind I’m going to go with an Arturo Fuente (or maybe just a pipe) and some Famous Grouse (surprisingly good blended) on the rocks. I’m gonna try to go through this point by point so this might take a while.

Rankings:
Maybe Chad Dawson and JuanMa a little too high but I would not argue too much with those selections. I would drop down Bhop and Donaire (he’s my boy but he needs to get a good fight) for not fighting anyone relevant in too long and maybe move up Williams but otherwise I really like the list because of the forward thinking.

Predictions:
Dirrell over Arthur: Speed and angles are going to kill that shell defense. Remember that in the Taylor fight, after 3 rounds Arthur was losing.
Kessler over Froch: This one might be close but there is no way in hell that Froch is going to get a decision where he is fighting. Irony is a bitch.
Devon over Urango: See Berto Urango……
Arreola over Adamek: Too much experience and toughness for Adamek
Haye over Ruiz: This one is going to be a lot closer than it should be…..
Dawson over Pascal: Dawson is a beast. Hopefully he calls Hopkins a biatch after the fight fro ducking him yet again…
Molitor wins – i know nothing about the opponent
Martinez over Pavlik: I like counter-punchers over power punchers
Koki over Pongsaklek – Koki is impressive!

Hopkins Haye:
Is Hopkins fighting Dawson? No? Then I don’t care….

FotM:
Can’t wait for Gamboa – JuanMa!!!!!

Pavlik Martinez:
What’s the over/under on when Pavlik gets injured?

Margarito:
I agree with Brick on this one, he should never be able to fight or be associated with fighters in the USA ever again.

New Book:
Sounds good! It looks like I might have to pick up a copy….

About time you did a club Ted . A Mag’s ban in the US (or anywhere in my book ) of a year or so is a joke . How long I don’t know but it should be wayyyy longer – like life maybe ?.
“Kevin, be careful that step up is not in the form of Michael Katsidis. He is a monster. Don’t believe me? Ask Graham Earl.” haha . I prefer not to mention that fight thanks .
Nice shout out to Nathan Cleverley he’s good and getting better but despite recent mumblings of a step up he isn’t ready yet , not for the big boys . Maybe a Glen Johnson at the end of the year would be a good test at the right time .
BHop / Haye – My humble opinion is that Bhop is smoking crack .
Pavlik – I ‘aint given up on him totally . He may well still do well but all this f’king around hasn’t helped a fighter who needed to rebuild .
Nice one .

Going to have a shot of Bushmills and a steak…be back later. Hold my place in line.

Very excited about the prospect of a Mitchell-Katsidis fight. Picking Mitchell In that one.
Kessler to beat Froch UD.

Have heard a few people say that Abraham against Dirrell will be a boring fight but for some reason i find the way AA fights to be really engrossing to watch. Also, the trouble Dirrell’s speed could potentially cause him will put his usual slow start/in a shell style to the test. Think maybe Dirrell is his worst stylistic match-up in the S6.

Am even more excited for this round of the S6 – partly because I know who the Andres are now, partly the Kessler loss, Green as the new fighter, etc.

I don’t know about Kessler…he looked real confused against Ward although a lot of that was Ward’s doing. I don’t see the guy as being committed and motivated like he should be, and Froch surely has something to prove for that joke of a “fight” with Dirrell. Maybe his girlfriend can get him going…she sure gets me going.

 WELL GOOD THURSDAY MORNING TED SOOTCH SODA CLUBSARES YOUBEST FREIND RAY GORDON REID WAYCROSS GEGORGIA JANUARY1//11/1955 WHEN IS YOUNEW BOOK COM\INOUT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT BUDDY BOY OUR FRIENDS ON EASTSIDEBOXING ARE GONE IM NOT JOKING TED WELL THE ARGUERMENT BETWEEN CARL FROCH JOECALZAGHE HAS STARTED AGAIN ANY BOYWHO ENGLISH ON EAST SIDE BOXING OF BAD LEFT HOOK MIKKEL KESSLER OVER CARL YOU;RE DA MAN TED

“Interesting writing as usual, Ted, and great predictions. Lovely to see Clifford brown and Max Roach included. Do you not think Wladimir or Vitali deserves a place in the PfP – even at the bottom of the list? – Trust your health is now better than ever. Cheers – Graeme.”

Wow, reason I posted this is because he remembered Clifford Brown and Max Roach,

The only heavyweight I have ever seen as a P4P was Ali, based on his style and skill package.

Just got back from an unbelievable Isis gig in Richmond. Powerful stuff laid down by the Boston lads. Like a sonic tsunami – absolutely annihilated the joint.

Respect to Paco Rodriguez. A fighting man.

Margarito should’ve gotten time; limit the scumbag to prison fights like they used to set up for James Scott in Rahway back in the 70’s/80’s. Bet James Kirkland’s inside training like a man possessed. Let the Ted Dollar Tijuana Whore walk into his house.

Yeah the boxing landscape’s certainly more level these days Ted. Katsidis v Mitchell has slugfest written all over it. Keep an eye on Lenny Zappavigna and Will Tomlinson from down here too, they can go a bit. Cheers Mallee Bull.

How about it Don? The usual place. 4 of us.

Can’t really argue too much with that.
I would think the ‘redemption’ of Pavlik some speak of refers to redeeming himself after the Hopkins schooling?
I really think Martinez could well do a similar job on Kelly that Bernard did but then i haven’t totally made my mind up yet on that one as if Pav can land a few times with the right,it could be goodnight Martinez.If it goes to a decision,it’s Martinez for me though.
I don’t agree with some who say Ruiz is gonna be a hard night for Haye.I can honestly see Haye doing a poor man’s Roy Jones on Ruiz with the difference being that Haye has the power to KO him.Ruiz is getting on now and while he may spoil and hug(as usual),i really don’t think he has the speed or ability to land on Haye often enough to outpoint him and i certainly don’t see him getting the KO.
Haye second half stoppage for me.
Of topic,Ted.Still on with reading ‘Boxing Is My Sanctuary’(a lot of my reading is on the net so taking a while :))and while i like your Top 100 Since 1950,i have to ask,why do you rank Paul Pender so highly among those great’s?
I’m not trying to be smart and you were there to see that era but looking at his record he beat Carmen Basilio in Basilio’s final fight,split decisioned a washed up SRR twice,lost to Gene Fullmer and was KO’d by Gene Hairston and Jimmy Beau.He was also TKO’d by England’s own Terry Downes.
I realise doing the rankings from 1950 means there are quite a few big names from before that year that are not included but i just thought guys like Jose Torres,Harold Johnson,Bobo Olson and Ken Buchanan might have deserved o be above him.
What do you say?

GDay Ted ,Gracias for the read. I’ve got my boogie shoes on mate , Im doing the funky duck camel walk – Ali shuffle .Being a newcomer to jazz isnt Max Roach along with Elvin Jones , Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich one of the greats with the sticks? Due to my lack of class and battered liver Im sticking to the nations favourite regular beer Victoria Bitter . My top 10 is 1. Pacquiao 2.Dawson 3.Mayweather 4. Mosely 5. Hopkins 6. V Klitschko 7. J M Marquez 8. W.Klitschko 9. Tim Bradley.10 Nonito Donaire 11. Tomas Adamek 12. I’ve put Gamboa in for the first ahead of Arthur Abraham , JMM Lopez and Ivan Calderon. I’ve got Arreola over Adamek ( Thomas mixes it up too much , he will probably get caught ). Seeing how a tall pressure fighter like " hands of brickwork Margarcheato" hunted Martinez down I’d back Pavlik to do the same if he has anything left . As you know Ted , I’m Hops biggest cheerleader but he is 45 and has only 2 fights in the two years since the Calzaghe fight .Truth be told It shows how bad the top ten is that a 45 year old is anywhere near it. . Haye should be looking to fight one of the K bros not a 45 year old ex midleweight . Margarito , as my Aussie China plate Goaty put it so well should be in the hoosegow . If he fights let it be in Tijuana not Vegas. I think Mick Katsidis is a bit strong and willing for Mitchell BUT Mick might be getting shopworn , the blokes never been in an easy fight , its not his style. In my humble boxing has definitely declined . I watched a doco on Oz tv last night on the Louis Schmeling rematch Ted . It claimed it was the single most listened to sporting event in America and Western Europe between 1930 and the 1970 . Id be interested to know if that was true. Shout outs to Goaty , Don , Matt The Pom , Franklin Dallas , Nopporn and any new members off the best little boxing pub on the net.

I just noticed the respective ages of my p4p top 6 . Makes pretty grim reading . 1. Pacman is 32 . 2. Dawson is the spring chicken being 28 . 3. Mayweather is 33. 4. Mosely is 38 and a half. 5. Hopkins 45 and 6.Vitali Klitschko nearing 39 years of age . I bet if you did a top 6 p4p from any other era they would be so advanced in age . Not a lot of really hot young fighters around in my opinion . Cheers blokes .

GDay Matt should be a good years League coming up mate . The Leeds mob are playing the Storm soon . Should be a good un . Take it easy champ .

We just need some top quality heavyweights (preferably American)to come along to seriously challenge the Klits and boxing will be on the up again.
When the heavys are going good,boxing in general tends to be going good.

Haye would be Popkin’s Waterloo .

Evening One – how is it mate ?
Ted – evening . No more Earle / Kats stuff or I’ll send ya some spam disguised as German porn .

He has the right man in his corner but he’s fighting the wrong fighter . He will give it a good go though , that I do know . Jimmy Tibbs is a top man .

Jimmy Tibbs will give him a good shot.

He may need a good shot of performance boosting substances for this task but your right a good coach does what he does . It’ll be one I’ll be watching if it happens ?

Im gonna catch some Hungarian smut . If it’s better than German it’s gotta be a winner .

Now I have to drie to Boston to spend the weekend with my son and his family. Wind gusts up to 50 MPH and flood forecasts. Nice.

drive-typo

Should Martinez beat Pavlik, hopefully he can lure El Plastero down to Buenos Aries for a rematch. Maggot-orito lost any right to call himself a fighter, but the barbarian in me still wants to see him pay his dues. And I do love that Mosley fight.

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I see Adamek box/punching out a victory over the limited Arreola. Once Tomasz improves his conditioning to accomodate that extra fighting weight, his better schooling will come into play. Cris can punch but he telegraphs ’em; a disciplined boxer will beat him. Adamek can win with a disciplined game plan.

BTW, I have a funny feelikg about Chambers-Klit. I can envision an explosive volley that ends with a sharp left hook to Doctor’e less than dependable chin. If Eddie can put Ivan Drago down, surely he can do it to Wlad. Don’t get me wrong, I ma not predicting that. Just saying that it’s quite possible.

MR — It ani’t a conundrum why Martinez will be viewed as a redemption bout for Pavlik. Many fans (and writers), continue to see Pavlik’s loss to Hopkins as some grand event that “exposed” Pavlik. Manyof them also bought into the stories of Pavlik being carted off to a loony-bin and shoveled off to the Betty Ford Clinic for alcohol addiction, HOOK, LINE and SINKER. For those that remain convinced that Pavlik was exposed and that he’s mentally shot, should Pavlik have an exceptional night against Martinez he will REDEEM himself in the eyes of many of these fans. Hopefully this helps answer the question that was perplexing you. PEACE.

For any of you that are interested/have the time i would appreciate it if you would have a look at my fanpost ‘Betting on Boxing’ in the right hand column of the home page and maybe let me know your predictions,etc,for the big fights scheduled.
Thanks.

Ted your wisdom and taste in music is sublime—since even as I enter my advanced middle age to old age, being a runner I take your knowledge of the of the cigar and drink as the truth, so even as I abstain the whiskey from the Isle of Skye sounds magical. I have no comment on the pound for pound list other then they are the best at this point in time and for me should only be judged on the basis. As much as we’d like I do not know how one can judge fighters from different eras. Sid

BTW, I view redemption as an opportunity for salvation fromor a way to express deliverance from sin. That’s a Papal viewpoint. If so, then those who claim Kelly Pavlik is on a mission of redemption must also be saying that he committed some sin—and I don;t buy that—unless you believe rumors which I don’t. It would, however, apply to Maggotrito who commtted a Cardinal Sin!

Just checking the old dictionary and there is more than one meaning for ‘redemption’,or the act of ‘redeeming’.
1/ make up for the faults or bad aspects of: (the Hopkins fight,imo).
2/ save someone from sin or evil (as you alluded to).
3/ fulfil a promise.
4/ regain possession of something in exchange for payment.
So i think you could look at it at least 2 different ways in the context of your statement,however you wrote the article so you know what you were referring to. :).

I know. But I chose the Papal definition. If Bode Liller promised that he would win a Gold Medal after the Turin failures, that would be a redemtive feat.

If Margo came back to beat Mosley in the U’S, that would be redemtion.

But if one argue that Pavlik should never have been fighting Hopkins in the first place bcause he was going up in weight and because he was ill, how could that be making up faults or “bad aspects.” All it is is that his handlers were morons who didn’t have a clue on what they were doing and have now put him in a spot where he has to win. No redemption for him, however. Interesting stuff, Matt, and I have been going around in a circle on it until recently. Now I see it for what it is.

 Bode Miller

redemption-typos-ugh

Audley Harrison .

Top 10 – Mayweather can’t come back and “challenge” a #135 boxer to a #147 bout and earn #1. That is Pac’s spot. Calzaghe never got respect for cleaning house with Jones and Hopkins and everyone else he beat. You can’t put Paul Williams there without Sergio Martinez right behind him. He fought the entire fight with his hands to his side. Most thought Martinez won at ringside though I gave Williams the final round and a point winner. Martinez was the more impressive of the two. He fought like a old school boxer. he should stay at 154 but has more of a chance of winning the title at 160 than Williams who has never beaten any 160 contenders. These lower weight guys should have to beat someone in the top 5 of the weight class they are challenging the champ of that division. Its like Hopkins “challenging” a 160 guy who lost in Philly several years ago to Bronko McKart and makes him come up to 175 and did not impress.

Emannuel Steward would be the perfect guy for KP. He does well with tall fighters and he culd put some fine adjustments on KP’s skill package. But Jack Lowe. My God. And is he not the guy who worked Harry Yorgey’s corner when Harry almost was deacpitated by Angulo well after the fight should have been stopped? No, OY has the medical part down correct, but I don’t think he has the redemptive part correct unless he gets off the moving up in weight point. You can’t have both sides of the argument.

Time to watch Wales kick the shite out of France in the six nations rugby tourney which has been moved from the traditional Saturday afternoon to Friday night . Nobody in the world knows why .Madmen are now incharge of Rugby as well as boxing .

Prov – LOL ! It’s Stan Laurel mate .

Good luck with that book edit – I’m looking forward to giving that a scan myself .

Great to hear from you . Nice one .

The Club is getting hot—just the way I like it.

What do you mean, Bill?

I know where he’s coming from . Though it’s a very small gripe giventhat the site is such a class act imo .

There are big black clouds over Cardiff at half time . Big , Black and f’king French .

Wales are rampant in the 2nd half . 13 points in 10 minutes . The French are shell shocked and down to 14 men . 13 -20 .

Go Wales.

Ted – this isn’t a Rugby site , let’s stick to boxing – ok ?

ps Wales lost

Hey Droid, welcome

Evening Ted and all.

KJ vs Klit makes the melting of snow exciting. Johnson should be banned from boxing. That was a disgrrace. Eddie would be too fast for KJ.

How is the weather down there?

I just watched Esalante-Roman. Holy God in Heaven did they ever put on a show. Roman is what Old School is all about. Just keeps coming and coming and coming like a LaMotta monster, but Tony was just as tough. These guys left nothing in the ring. That one was my F.O.T.Y. so far. I just hope it didn’t take too much out of them.

Speaking of re watching old fights, I’m going to put on my Barrera v McKinney fight later… what a fight. Anyone remember that one?

I’m wrapping up for the night but we had a good day in the Club.

I remember you talking about that Don but it wasn’t me who brought it up:).
Bodyshot that sticks in the mind?I’ve got to go with a well known one:Roy Jones against Virgil Hill.Must be one of the best stoppages from a bodypunch ever,along with the Louis v Schmeling one.

The beautiful thing about Roy’s punch was that unlike most devastating body shots his was fired straight and downward. Crushing punch.

Not a fight-ender, but Ward’s hellacious dig to Gatti’s liver in that classic 9th rd of their first fight. Froze Arturo before he turned and dropped to his knees. Of course Gatti came storming back to stagger Micky in a brilliant round. Ward-Alfonzo Sanchez. Ward , getting dominated, whips that left hook to the body, down goes Alfonso like he’s been shot. Ward v Shea Neary 1st rd. That left dig almost broke Neary in half. Vicious fight, Shea fought back well for 7 or 8 rds. Hopkins’perfect liver shot crumbling Oscar.

Hatton made a career out of body bangin’ .
Lamotta liked the body as did the obvious Jamaican Mike .
Ward and Gatti must of shipped 500 each during their wars . Good ’un’s too .

I’ll go with that .

Are you watching the Mike Jones fight tonight?Have read good things about him but haven’t seen him fight yet.Is he past prospect stage now?Do you think he’s the real deal or what?

Alrite lads!
Good to able to talk again. JC.. I’ve missed your “heartfelt insults” mate! Hope you’re well.
Don, excuse my ignorance, what does B.A.D mean?

BTW, I wonder if anyone remebers the song on the second page of my site: http://www.tedsares.com/about.htm

Actually, the page that comes up with the link.

Thanks, I thought it may have been another boxer’s initials. D’oh!

Did you note that we had a vistor from another site last week?

It is a very tough foght to call, Paulie is very strong, but Kahn should be able to wlak through his weak punching. Both are very fast

This should be an interesting fight. I can’t remember Khan facing anyone as awkward/quick as Paulie. Khan hasn’t had a long fight for a while either. A heavy hitter Paulie isn’t … but neither was Limond, so we will have to wait and see. I personally think Paulie is tougher than he gets credit for.