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Has Manny Pacquiao "ducked" African American fighters?

Manny Pacquiao and Murad Muhammad, together back in better days.

Manny Pacquiao and Murad Muhammad, together back in better days.

In the lead-up to the aborted superfight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather, there were a number of allegations about Pacquiao.  Overshadowed by the allegations of steroid use were the allegations that Pacquiao had intentionally avoided facing any African-American fighters in his career.  Nate Campbell made the original allegation, and today it was repeated by Pacquiao's former promoter Murad Muhammad, who has stated that he kept Pacquiao away from African-American fighters while he was promoting Pacquiao.  Do these allegations have any merit?  Let's take a look at who was around different weight classes when Pacquiao was there:

Flyweight - March 1998 to September 1999

I'm starting with 1998 here rather than the beginning of his career because March 1998 was the first time Pacquiao had fought outside of the Philippines, where African-Americans are in particularly short supply.  The primary African-American competitor in the lower weight classes at that time was Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson.  His last fight at flyweight came in September 1998, which was before Pacquiao had even won a title.  In 1999, Johnson fought at 115 while Pacquaio was defending a title at 112.  Another possibility would have been IBF flyweight titlist Will Grigsby.  As anyone who follows boxing probably knows, you don't see too many unification fights between guys who only fight on opposite ends of the world, and without either fighter being a draw, this fight was no different.  The other prominent African-American in the weight at the time was Arthur Johnson, who was knocked out by Too Sharp in one round.  This period of Pacquiao's career came before Muhammad was his promoter, and he had never fought in the United States up to this point.

Super Bantamweight - September 1999 to July 2003

There's an argument that Pacquiao didn't need to jump three weight classes, so this includes the prominant African Americans at 118 as well.  Until Pacquiao signed with Muhammad in April of 2001, Pacquiao continued to only fight in Asia.  There were two prominent African-Americans in this time period around this weight class - Junior Jones and Tim Austin.  During the entire period, Austin fought in the 118 pound weight class, where he was defending his IBF bantamweight title the entire time.  By 1999, Jones was already fighting at featherweight and super featherweight, and by the time Pacquiao signed with Muhammad, Jones was exclusively fighting at 130.  Unless Tim Austin would have been willing to give up a belt to move up, or unless Pacquiao could have lost the extra four pounds, there just wasn't any legitimate African American challenger during this period.  Long-time featherweight contender Kennedy McKinney retired before Pacquiao had fought in the United States, and was one weight class up as well.  Tracy Harris Patterson was even further removed from the weight class.

Featherweight - October 2002 to December 2004

I'm starting early here, since Pacquiao did take one fight at this weight while defending his super bantamweight title.  Here's where Pacquiao started to become a household name.  From September 2000 through November 2003, Derrick Gainer held a title at this weight.   Pacquiao first became a draw when he shocked Marco Antonio Barrera for a win.  Only two weeks earlier, Juan Manuel Marquez had defeated Gainer.  Could Pacquiao have faced Gainer instead of Barrera?   Possibly, but both fighters were represented by Bob Arum at the time, and Top Rank was trying to build up a superfight between the two when Pacquiao and Marquez got in the way.  Pacquiao and Marquez then faced each other shortly thereafter. 

Previous featherweight titlist Freddie Norwood had already moved up to lightweight by the time Pacquiao started fighting at featherweight.  At the end of this period, Muhammad and Pacquiao split ways.  Pacquiao subsequently sued Muhammad for withholding too much of his purses in violation of the Ali Act, and settled for a rumored seven figure sum out of court. 

Super Featherweight - December 2004 to March 2008

During the time when Pacquiao was a super featherweight, there were very few top African Americans at all in the weight class.  Chico Corrales had already moved up to lightweight (and, frankly, didn't have the slick style people seem to be worried about anyway).  Nate Campbell had moved up to lightweight and wasn't much of a name.  Possibly most prominent was Lamont Pearson, who was on his way out by the beginning of Pacquiao's time at the weight and retired by the end. 

Lightweight - March 2008 to July 2008

Pacquiao only took one fight at lightweight, against David Diaz.  Since Pacquiao was adding to his belt collection, he could have gone after one of three fighters - champion Joel Casamayor, unified titlist Nate Campbell or titlist David Diaz.  Diaz was obviously the easiest fight of those three, there's no doubting that.  But at the time, Nate Campbell was locked up in a lawsuit with Don King.  Does Campbell settle the lawsuit if he's approached for a Pacquiao fight?  Maybe, but we'll never know.

Light Welterweight / Welterweight - July 2008 to Present

Other than Floyd Mayweather Jr., it's tough to make an argument that Pacquiao has ducked anyone.  He fought the three biggest names (other than Mayweather) out there in De La Hoya, Cotto and Hatton.  He beat two titlists in their dominant weight classes.  Even now, with him facing Joshua Clottey, he still took on the best fighter legitimately available, as Shane Mosley and Andre Berto were signed to fight each other at the time.  And hopefully, Mayweather-Pacquiao will still happen someday.

In summary, it seems unlikely that Pacquiao was 'ducking' African American fighters.  One would need to make a pretty tenuous argument to say that he should have faced any African American fighter.  The most legitimate gripes are with respect to Derrick Gainer (and Bob Arum handpicked Pacquiao to be the opponent for his other fighter)  and Nate Campbell (who was tied up with lawsuits when Pacquiao had the opportunity to fight him). 

As for Muhammad's quote?  Seems like sour grapes to me.  Pacquiao was his prized representation.  Now, after cheating many of his clients, he represents nobody of significance.  And you know what?  Boxing's probably better off that way.

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What A Suprise.

Muhammad lost his meal ticket and a few million $s in the process and he’s feeling all bitter.
The fact is that over generations most of the best black fighters have campaigned above featherweight.As you say Brickhaus,in Manny’s era there were really no outstanding black fighters who were at his level and near his weight class so this from Muhammad and Campbell is really a fruitless argument and has no real basis.
What was Pacquiao supposed to do?Fight a washed up Kevin Kelly or someone just to say he had beat a black guy.
It’s bullsh*t.

by Matt (Yorkshire) on Feb 26, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Please don’t no one say ‘Mayweather’ as we have been there and argued both sides of that one.

by Matt (Yorkshire) on Feb 26, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

I think at absolute worst

one could argue that he’s avoiding PBF. That’s one African American fighter at most that he’s been avoiding. Doesn’t seem like a huge deal to me.

by tichbou on Feb 26, 2010 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

Asian fighters

Guys, Noone had respect for asian fighters. Name one pre-Pacquiao fighter that every boxing fan knows (even casual fans) none. Also asian fighters fight in the lower divisions where latinos rule. Give me a break about “African American Fighters”. You should say Black Fighters. Ledwaba IS a Black fighter and every African American fighter in thst division tried to avoid him and he destroyed him. So Clottey is not a black fighter but an African fighter. Geez… these guys are flesh and blood and most of all fighters. You guys have the Teddy Atlas syndrome. Any fighters outside the East Coast are bums.

by jenncarr on Feb 26, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

No one except me, maybe. Asian fighters are among my favorites and I have studied them with vigor. Good point about the Teddy Atlas syndrome though I think Tthe BLH writers don’t suffer from it at all.

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by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 26, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

To be quite honest I’m not sure what your comment has to do with anything.

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by Scott Christ on Feb 26, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is a thorough and on-target assessment, Brick, and like a good lawyer, you take the argument more seriously than it deserves.

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by Matt Miller on Feb 26, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

my thoughts precisely

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by BrianBrock on Feb 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, like Ali Funkea

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 26, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Missed that one...

though I’m not sure when he should have fought him. Raheem fought an eliminator to fight Pacquaio, and he lost to Juarez. After that, he moved up to lightweight permanently.

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by Brickhaus on Feb 26, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And before the eliminator, he was literally a nobody

He wasn’t ranked until he beat Morales, and he was a lightweight by then.

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by Brickhaus on Feb 26, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Come on, Raheem the guy with the Burger King crown? Yeah, that would have drawn flies, and not much else. Pacman has been fighting only very big names for a long time now, and unless we resurrect Joe Gans, what A-A fighter can he make money fighting? Besides PBF, I mean. Sure, I’d like to see him fight Bradley, but unfortunately for Tim, he has to wait in line.

by FrankinDallas on Feb 26, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

A trumped up charge

Yep – I agree with some of the statements above well constructed argument wasted on a a non existant case

by BristolOne on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Come on

Totally without merit. I understand an allegation like this moves the needle, but it is just part of a continued smear campaign against Manny.

by John Genco on Feb 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, he did duck Jeff Chandler at bantamweight….can’t over look that fact.

by FrankinDallas on Feb 26, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

lol

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by Brickhaus on Feb 26, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good writeup

It’s nice to see someone actually go and look at the circumstances behind why Manny has not faced any black fighters instead of just going…“Oh Manny hasn’t fought any black fighters so it must be because he’s ducking them, there is absolutely no other possible reason.”

I wish someone would do a write up on the Mayweather-Jr.-Ducks-People idea that alot of people seem to have.

by erod on Feb 26, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

You should go for it on that theme ;)

I hated every minute of training, but I said, ‘’Don’t quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'’ (Bernard Hopkins)

by BrianBrock on Feb 27, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Black Fighters??

I’m glad someone has finally brought this atrocity to the attention of all boxing fans, not only has Manny been ducking African Americans, but he has been ducking Ukranian and Australian fighters, as well as Eskimo fighters. Step up Manny, we’re onto you now. Peace!!

by Iron Beach on Feb 26, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

lol

rec’d

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by Pinoy Titan on Feb 27, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't you guys kick somebody off this site for bringing up this topic?

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by Craigman on Feb 26, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

Not that I remember

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by Brickhaus on Feb 27, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was the way he was bringing it up

And his generally moronic attitude.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Feb 28, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not about black or white; it’s all about green!

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006

by The Midnight Rambler on Feb 27, 2010 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Dr. Manny Pacquaio

Manny Pacquiao is one of the few boxers that change the style of boxing – from Sugar Ray Robinson, Pernell Whitaker, Ali, etc.. I might call it pure evolution. As most boxing analyst would consider a mistake when Manny lunges forward, Manny capitalize on it instead and has made it his very own powerful tool - If you study kinesiology, lunging forward with a body twist gives you maximum power like in baseball or discus throw.
It works very much for boxing but Manny Pacquiao adds a new twist as he lunges forward he adds a barrage of successive punches.Now that is a different move – a sweet science indeed. No wonder Manny Pacquiao has been awarded a doctorate degree in Kinetics in one of the universities in the Philipines. Such styles that of Juan Manuel Lopez, Barrera, Julio Caesar Chavez, etc…doesn’t stand a chance against Manny Pacquiao even though these people have a warrior’s heart. It has to do with boxing style. Manny Pacquiao’s unorthodox style againstthat of Mayweather is a must see for all boxing fans. Two unorthodox moves will sum up either a boring fight or pure collision until all hell breaks loose.

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by Ken Chan on Feb 28, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Such styles that of Juan Manuel Lopez, Barrera, Julio Caesar Chavez, etc…doesn’t stand a chance against Manny Pacquiao

Morales aside, Marquez easily gave Manny the hardest two fight sof his life.

"Honey i forgot to duck" - Jack Dempsey

by Drunken cutman on Mar 2, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

u gotta examine ANYthing ANY promoter says with a grain or a truckload of salt. they flip that switch from “He’s the best evaaaaaa!” to "*insert negative tired* when the guy’s not theirs anymore. never trust a guy who’s best interests involve hype and money for himself….and esp. one who profits from the blood of others.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 8, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

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