Ryan Burton of BoxingScene.com got a pretty great interview out of middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik recently. Pavlik talks about Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams, his loss to Bernard Hopkins, the perception of him as a fighter, and more:
"Now you got guys like Roy Jones who have lost what five out of his last ten fights? He is turning back around and fighting Bernard Hopkins and no one says sh*t about it.
"You have guys like Cotto who got beat up twice and he turns around and he is moving up to fight Foreman for his title. There is nothing said about Miguel Cotto. He has been stopped, knocked out twice. You have guys like De La Hoya and Pacquiao. De La Hoya had six losses and Pacquiao had four losses (editors note: 3 losses and a draw to Marquez) and they still fought big fights after losses. Floyd Mayweather turned around and fought Marquez who came up two weight classes and Marquez wasn't the same fighter he was when he fought Pacquiao and nothing is said. Something is said about me because I am a Midwestern fighter."
If he thinks nobody has said anything negative about Hopkins-Jones II, Miguel Cotto's status as an elite fighter, or Mayweather-Marquez, I have no idea what sport he's been following.
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Love it
The attitude, that chip on his shoulder that is so visible when he talks about how he is viewed and treated compared to other fighters is what often makes fighters great. Me against the world.
It is the same chip Kelly has needed to make it in boxing. When inside the community I’m sure he was always doubted and written off.
I really like Kelly Pavlik and think he gets way too much guff, but his reasoning isn’t particularly sound. “Hey nobody says anything about Hopkins-Jones II!” Oh?
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by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect this is intended more as a self-motivational technique than as a serious analysis of what’s actually going on in the real world. A lot of athletes like to dwell on grievances (“nobody respects me,” etc.) as a means of pushing themselves harder – Gilbert Arenas comes to mind, and there are many others. That said, what Pavlik literally said was clearly nonsensical.
Yes, but the number of posts tells a n interesting story.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 11, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions
No talk of a rematch !
I’ve read a lot of stuff about Pavlik being ill/injured prior to the Hopkins fight – Ted I seem to remember you confirming it was true. If that was the case and Pavlik really believes what he is saying then Why NEVER any talk of a rematch – Hopkins has been struggling for opponents over the ast year or so and would probably jump at the opportunity. It doesn’t quite make sense to me !
Hopkins wouldn’t fight Pavlik again, especially if he knows that Pavlik was in fact sick, which doesn’t seem to be a stretch or anything. Bernard isn’t going to risk a loss to a guy he’s already beaten.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
How Do You Know?
It was a total drubbing in the first match and why hasn’t Pavlik produced proof of his illness?
Like this is the first time a boxer has pulled an excuse or an illness out of the bag.I think it IS a stretch.Show me proof and i might agree with you.
The only reason Hopkins might not fight him now is because he is 18 months older and he was very old when he beat him in the first place.
If Pavlik’s excuse was real,he would have asked for an immediate rematch,instead of fighting whatshisname,and Hopkins would have gladly obliged.
To say otherwise just sounds like you’re a Pavlik fan.
All of a sudden he’s got bronchitis after the shutout to Hopkins.I don’t recall this ever being mentioned in the build up or in the months after the fight.
Confirmation was provided from doctors regarding his staph infection,so why not the bronchitis?
Pavlik tried to throw his one-two,Hopkins moved and countered,then tied him up.That’s all there is to it.
BOXING LESSON.
What i meant by “i don’t recall this ever being mentioned in the months after the fight” was that it seemed to disappear pretty quickly.
Yeah they mentioned it but it wasn’t like it kept him out of boxing for a long time,as i would have thought an illness like that would have.
Either he talks about it constantly and people accuse him of whining and making excuses, or he moves on with his life and doesn’t dwell on the Hopkins fight.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
It was a total drubbing in the first match and why hasn’t Pavlik produced proof of his illness?
What’s he supposed to do? Release his medical records? Would you release your medical records to the public in this case?
The only reason Hopkins might not fight him now is because he is 18 months older and he was very old when he beat him in the first place.
Well that and the fact that Bernard seems completely disinterested in fighting anyone remotely good.
If Pavlik’s excuse was real,he would have asked for an immediate rematch,instead of fighting whatshisname,and Hopkins would have gladly obliged.
How do YOU know that Hopkins would have “gladly obliged”? Bernard wanted to rematch Joe Calzaghe, not a guy he just beat on a PPV show that drew awful, awful numbers. Pavlik fought “whatshisname” because without fighting “whatshisname” he would have had to give up one of his belts, as “whatshisname” (Marco Antonio Rubio) was a mandatory challenger. He also needed a bounce-back fight, and Rubio was a top ten middleweight at the time pretty much across the board. The fight made sense in every way.
To say otherwise just sounds like you’re a Pavlik fan.
All this insistence that the wonderful and noble Bernard Hopkins would gladly have granted a previously sickly Pavlik a rematch in order to clear his name and be a gentleman and a sportsman makes you sound like “a Hopkins fan.” You want medical records for proof of Kelly Pavlik not feeling 100% that night, but it’s OK to just assume that Bernard Hopkins is such a stand-up guy that he’d be like, “Sure! Rematch! That sounds lovely. I’d hate folks to think I beat you without you being the absolute best you could be, after all.”
I’m a fan of both guys, for the record.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m also not saying I know for sure that Pavlik was sick, but he sure as hell fought like that is a perfectly reasonable idea. He wasn’t getting his punches off at all, didn’t look like he had any zip on his fastball, and appeared genuinely sluggish. Bernard Hopkins beat his ass for 12 rounds and you can go into our archives and find me saying nothing less than that, and giving Hopkins full praise and awe (which I still do), but this isn’t a guy claiming he was drugged. Pavlik seems pretty accepting of the fact that Hopkins smoked him, he just says he wasn’t feeling great that night.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ok i know you are almost always fair in your assessment and i think Pavlik seems like a genuine guy and everything,but boxers make excuses all the time.
It was up to him to shout for a rematch,which he never did.Hopkins has no reason to go looking for it.
That’s why i say Bristol’s point was a good one.
I watched the fight again the other day and while it seemed like Kelly may have been a bit off the pace,it was more what Bernard was doing that made the fight what it was,imo.
Like i said further up,every time Kelly got set to throw(or did throw),Hopkins moved to the side and made him pay.They had obviously worked on that.
I too am a fan of both but i know that Hopkins is a more skilled and experienced boxer than Pav is or ever will be.
Ok i know you are almost always fair in your assessment and i think Pavlik seems like a genuine guy and everything,but boxers make excuses all the time.
I’m aware. And I’m not even saying you’re wrong. For whatever reason, I just believe him that he wasn’t feeling well. I think Hopkins still beats him that night even if he’s at his best. Even feeling good, Pavlik would’ve gotten schooled by Hopkins’ movement and smarts. Maybe would’ve won a couple more rounds, but that still wouldn’t have made that fight close.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I can believe that Hopkins would rematch him
SC – why so sure Hopkins wouldn’t – he’s struggled to draw big numbers – he has to be against a named opponent. He could have probably dictated the terms. But that’s off point – Pavlik or his Team NEVER has even mentioned it ! I’m willing to believe he was ill – lots of people with better inside information than me have confirmed it – but it to me doesn’t add up and doesn’t tell the full story. I agree Pavlik needs to keep quiet about it now unless he calls Hopkins out – otherwise he’ll start to sound like Hopkins does himself afer a loss !
“Keep quiet about it”? All he said was, “Yeah, I lost to this guy, but I’ve also beaten some good fighters, including a guy that beat Bernard twice.” He was responding to the idea that suddenly, after he lost to Hopkins, a lot of people started acting like Pavlik isn’t any good at all.
And beyond anything else, Hopkins is not in Pavlik’s weight class. I don’t see any major reason that Pavlik should be chasing after a rematch with Bernard Hopkins that frankly nobody wants to see. The case was closed pretty well the one time they fought, and it’s not really a winning situation for Pavlik. If they did rematch for “eh” money — and it’s worth “eh” money, and I don’t think Bernard would do it, and I don’t think Pavlik has any burning desire to do so either — what good comes out of it? Pavlik wins and he beat up an old man he couldn’t even handle when the old man was 44. Hopkins wins and Pavlik might as well turn in his credibility at the door when he leaves the arena.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
correction: Bernard was 43, not 44, at the time he whomped Kelly
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing Pavlik does ever seems to make much sense to me.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
SEEMS TO ME
that any grief spoken about B-Hop-Jones is related to age, eroding skills, or perhaps relevance in the sport at the championship level. Kelly is the reigning lineal, undefeated at M/W, champion of the world, and has been questioned about his heart, questioned about whether he still has “it” after the B-Hop loss. He has been accused of ducking Paul Williams(not true), he has had his medical conditions questioned as if the prospect of losing a knuckle due to infection was not serious. Ask Henry Anaya about that, he lost a finger due to infection, its very serious. It was said he had alcohol problems and was a drunk. I can see Kelly’s point, he has a lot of pride and his work ethic has never been questioned,.. till his loss and his injury he was the fighter of the year, now he is being written off as finished. I for one don’t think so, Sergio Martinez is world class, when Kelly whups him all that talk SHOULD go away. Give the man a chance, surely he has earned that. Peace!!
All grief that is given to B-hop Jones is because B-hop passed on a number of better options. Dawson, Cloud, Pascal, Johnson, Green are all better options than Jones and those are just the fighters in his division.
his work ethic has never been questioned
Yeah it has. There were a bunch of rumors last year of him drinking heavily and getting in fights in Youngstown.
Sergio Martinez is world class, when Kelly whups him all that talk SHOULD go away
Nope. Sergio is absolutely tailormade for Kelly. He loses to a volume puncher and doesn’t have the greatest of chins. If Kelly even makes this look difficult, then I will lose respect from him.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 12, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
You scare me with that post. I was hoping for a more compettetive affair though I have picked Pavlik to win.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
RUMORS HUH?
Damn you mean like the RUMORS of Pac using A-Side meth? PUHLEEEEZ, there are rumors about everything these days in the “information age”, but no documented proof. And like I said his work ethic wasn’t questioned till AFTER the loss. Also is Sergio world class or not? Yes he damn well is, and he loses to volume punchers? I wouldn’t call Kelly a volume puncher but rather a methodical puncher that makes his shots count. Punches that arrive with numbing power. Martinez I would describe as a volume puncher, and when has Sergio been KO’d? Peace!!
The Pacquiao PED comparison is a bit unfair
As that was more calumny and character assasination rumours. Anyway all Waldo said was that Pavlik’s work ethic had been questioned, which is true, he never said he agreed with this questioning.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 12, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Pavlik throws a ton of punches, too. I’d actually consider him a volume puncher. I consider Paul Williams’ performance against Sergio to be that of nothing more than a volume puncher. He was just throwing and hoping some of it landed. Getting his bell rung in the first round probably didn’t help him relax, though.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Come on! Who won the fight?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Williams
But it was far from his best performance, and I place some of the blame there on the fact that Martinez rattled his cage pretty hard in the first round.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
My feeling on rumors and my standard is never to write about them until they become fact. Otherwise, you are colluding in translating them from rumor to fact prematurely.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Pavlik is a volume punchers, but that is no reason to launch an attcak on The Punisher. You need to be “Punished” for your truclulence
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions
I wasn’t aware that Paul Williams is unassailable.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now you know…..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Good to know.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 13, 2010 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
Pavlik - The Jury is out
My own view is that Pavlik has some wy to go to prove that the Hopkins fiasco was largely down to ilness/injury – he’s now fighting Martinez – that is a great start – if he gets past him and measures up well aginst some of the SMW guys he’s back somewhere near where he was pre Hopkins. He’s getting annoyed by all the bad talk about him, should be a little bit careful about his talk – he was getting carried away with things prior to Hopkins and was left with egg on his face. He needs to keep quiet and let his hands do the talking for the next few fights – IMHO
Good stuff!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions



















