How big will Pacquiao-Clottey be on pay-per-view?
We've done these "Guess the PPV Buys" posts before for a few fights, namely last year's three major PPVs, but this one strikes me as the most interesting we've done to date.
We are now living in a boxing world dominated by Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr., whether we like it or not. And whether we're all sick of hearing about Pacquiao-Mayweather for the time being (since it isn't, you know, going to happen right now) or not, there are a lot of people that aren't. To those people, Manny and Floyd are all that matters, and these other fights, with Shane Mosley and "whoever the hell Joshua Clottey is," are merely speed-bumps. Maybe even speed-bumps that risk taking the bumper off your car, which nobody wants in this situation.
For some people, I think there's a genuine fear that Manny or Floyd could lose before we get to see them go at each other for all of boxing's pound-for-pound marbles.
They're the two biggest stars in boxing. Pacquiao's name value and some good promotion in Texas have combined to sell nearly 45,000 tickets at Cowboys Stadium as of this moment on Thursday morning. Clottey -- even though he deserves better and bigger standing and is a legitimate opponent without question -- is the proverbial nobody at the box office.
This isn't the Manny Pacquiao from a year ago. While Manny was big before his December 2008 fight with Oscar de la Hoya, and very big after, he's become huge. He's the boxer of choice for everyone in the world that wants to be inspired by a boxer, it seems, featured everywhere.
Pacquiao's popularity has in large part come the old-fashioned way. When he fights, people want to see him, because he's exciting, fearless, and ruthlessly efficient in the ring. Outside the ring, he's humble, good-humored, a philanthropist, and, at least in his own mind, a dynamite singer.
I think you can even argue that Manny Pacquiao is a boxing star, whereas Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a star who also boxes, if that makes sense. (And I'm not saying Mayweather doesn't box exceptionally well, so keep the "hater" comments in reserve for when I actually "hate" on him.)
Pacquiao-Clottey is a really good fight. With Shane Mosley and Andre Berto both tied up when Pacquiao needed to find an opponent, Top Rank surprised a lot of people by matching Manny with the absolute toughest available opponent. Names like Paulie Malignaggi and Timothy Bradley (junior welterweights) were tossed around, and this was a time when Floyd was rumored to be considering opponents like Nate Campbell and Matthew Hatton.
On January 7, I made a comment about Clottey being inserted as Pacquiao's opponent. I truly didn't think that would happen, nor had it ever really been in discussion publicly. Five hours later, Top Rank announced Pacquiao-Clottey via their Facebook page.
Since then, fan reaction has been mostly positive, and the fight is being treated as legit by everyone who knows anything, which it should.
But can it sell on PPV? I think this might be a reverse of the Mayweather-Marquez situation last year, where the live gate and attendance in Las Vegas were very disappointing, but the PPV numbers shocked everyone in and around the sport. The gate for this isn't going to set any records (well, it'll set the record for boxing in Texas, which is currently held by last year's Marquez-Diaz fight), but the attendance is obviously something that American boxing hasn't seen in a dog's age. But on PPV? I'm just not sure.
Pacquiao's fight last May with Ricky Hatton did around 800,000 buys, and his November bout with Miguel Cotto did about 1.25 million, matching what Pacquiao did against former PPV ruler Oscar de la Hoya the year previous. Does Clottey have the name power to help Manny reach those heights again? Does Manny himself have such enormous branding power himself that he can carry a show alone to a million homes in the States? Or will there be some disappointment with the buys for this show?
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I’m going 800-900K, personally, but won’t really be surprised if they do top a million. But I’m guessing in the high 800s, which means Bob Arum will gag order everyone and it’ll “leak out” to Rafael or somebody.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I’m sticking to my boycott of this fight. I said months ago that the if Pac v Mayweather fight didn’t happen that I would boycott their next fights. The exception was that if Mayweather fought Mosely because that is the fight I have been waiting to see. It’s also a fight that Floyd could seriously loose, though I predict a UD.
The thing that bugs me the most is that for the whole training camp it seems like Roach and Pac have talked more about Mayweather than Clottey. I’ve read several times on other forums about how angry Pac is and how bad he wants to fight Floyd. I always laugh and think you could be fighting him on the 13th. What a joke that is.
It’s like Jim Rome told Freddie Roach concerning Manny not wanting to take the blood test 5 days out. He said: “but [Manny’s] in the blood business.”
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
i think manny is done with his 450k days. he will sell no less than 600k, but no more than 700 iyam
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions
Sounds right to me
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Low 700s methinks
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Whatever number it ends up being
my home will not factor in.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
800+ but under a Mil
For those who are boycotting, get real. If you like boxing you watch a good fight, especially when there will be a legitimate KO. And Craigman, they talk about PBF becuase they actually let reporters ask the questions and they answer it and it will get published. Go figure…
by jenncarr on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am boycotting
not because I’m “not real” but because it is the only real weapon I have as a consumer to show my displeasure for the horrendous negotiations on the big fight. I hold both parties accountable and wish to withhold my hard earned dollars as such. I will watch both fights a week later for free. Condoning that shit is only going to perpetuate the shenanigans. My trifling action may have no real effect on the sport’s seedier side, but that doesn’t stop me from giving it try. But thanks for your judgement.
A Pete Rose by any other name would still smell of cheap hookers and pinetar.
by Pops Daniels on Mar 11, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
A man with convictions
We’ll I hope you see the fight for free somewhere because you never know. If you wait for the big one, you might miss out on a spectacular KO or a HUGE upset and there will be NO BIG ONE.
I think your gesture is ultimately futile, and that you are depriving yourself of a good fight. I personally will be tuning in if at all possible due to the futility I regard the gesture with.
However, I respect your principles, and I respect your logic. I also respect the way you articulated them. Have a ‘rec’. :)
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
How bout that jenncarr
I didn’t know that was exactly how it works. Thanks for the info.
Although, I remember seeing this movie one time where there was this guy who was a reporter and he asked another guy a question. Then the guy says to the reporter “no comment”. I nearly fell out of my seat. Go figure…
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
I’m guessing 800-900. The Conference tournaments in college basketball are going to to hurt this show I’m afraid. I know I’m still trying to convince the folks I live with that we can set aside basketball for just one March evening to watch a good fight, but we’ll see how that goes.
Plus, no 24/7. I have seen several segments on different ESPN shows this week though.
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies..." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
The Conference tournaments in college basketball are going to to hurt this show I’m afraid.
I doubt that.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Day After
I think the toruney starts on the following Weds. I was going to stick around Vegas after the (PBF vs Manny) fight LOL! but cancelled.
the NCAA tournament starts on weds. but the conference tournaments are in full swing right now. with some of them having their championship game on sat night. I think there would be some overlap there for the all-around sports fan, but I could be wrong.
"And so, as, uh, Heavyweight Champion recognized by nine of the fourteen sanctioning bodies..." -Drederick Tatum, The Simpsons
by BloodMeridian on Mar 11, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I pick 700-800k but I have a question
With the sucess of Floyds last fight at theaters does anyone know if they are doing that for this fight, or Floyds next one for that matter? Also, how do they count those totals? Does each one that goes to the theater count as a “buy” or do they only count the actual number of screens it runs on as “buys” as this could dramatically effect the number of buys?
The theaters don’t count in the Mayweather-Marquez buys. The 1 mil was just domestic PPV sales. The theater sales were different.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Are you sure? I remember the number as 800,000. Perhaps that’s a combination of UK and US sales?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Rafael said 825 last May, with the chance that it would reach 850. I never heard it going up to 925. Mayweather-Hatton did 915.
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog?name=rafael_dan&id=4165901
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah. Sorry.
It was 825,000. The 925,000 was for Mayweather-Hatton. Jumbled numbers there. My bad. =)
I got just over 1 mil buys. Looks like im on the high side but I think Pac is more well known now. He will be carring this PPV for sure and I think he can do it. Enough people want to see him fight and the Clottey hype job hasnt been bad if regular people are calling him a big punching slugger.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
No way in hell does this fight go over 1 mil. Did you know that Tecaté is doing the $20 rebate, cause I didn’t until tonight. There has been no hype about this fight. In fact people are using it as an opportunity to ask Manny about Mayweather and vice versa. It seems like Manny can maybe carry this fight to about 800K but I think that number is a high estimate. Not that it will actually affect the numbers but the undercard for this fight is fairly awful and won’t sway anyone.

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