Pacquiao-Clottey: Face-Off with Max Kellerman
by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST
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PrintMax Kellerman returns with another "Face-Off" feature with Manny Pacquiao and Joshua Clottey. This one is longer than the two that HBO put up for the aborted Mosley-Berto fight.
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Nice video
I liketo see the respect between these two guys.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
Also Manny's English is coming along well!
I think he held forth rather eloquently here.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
My favorite gaff was when Manny referred to Roach
as “My Master” after his last fight (I believe it was post-Cotto). But yeah, considering that 2-3 years ago he was still using a translator, he’s gained a lot of confidence in his English.
Something people don’t really know (at least the majority of people) is that English is the educational language in the Philippines. All textbooks, food labels, street signs and even the majority of commercials are in English. Each province/area in this country has it’s own dialect, and there are something like 171 separate languages spoken here (just think about the effect of living in 7100+ islands and developing simultaneously, without synchronization until around a hundred years ago). Manny’s always been able to understand English perfectly well, in all likelihood, but hasn’t had much occasion to use it until now. To go from really never even speaking it, to being essentially fluent in this period of time is pretty impressive.
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I always thought it was odd
that when I watch fights from the Philippines on Youtube, the commentary is in English and not Tagalog.
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You're right about the info.
But he wa’sn’t really using translators before. I remember (not 2-3 years ago) about in 2002, he had a translator standing by (against Julio in 2002 I think) but was barely used as Pacquiao would rather try it on his own. Since then, translators I guess sticked around but was never really necessary… But yeah, he has improved. Save for grammatical errors, he can now convey what he wants to say as opposed to 2-3 years ago where it was a struggle. Just saying… =)
I guess I've been watching his anthology
the last two weeks on SolarTV and he really didn’t have much English present in the majority of the fights.
But you’re right overall, it’s not like it’s a switch got flicked 2-3 years ago. He’s been progressing pretty steadily. Maybe my timeline wasn’t perfect, coulda added a year I suppose.
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yeah, he has improved.
but you still would not want him to say “CLETO REYES” live on TV. It just sounds different and reminds you of something else other than the gloves.
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Good thing there was no 24-7 for this fight
Because hearing each one talk about how great the other one is would be pretty boring over 4 episodes.
I would have liked to have gotten to know Clottey better
Also a 24/7 is great for getting that hype feeling going.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 11, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
24/7’s are fantastic, and with all of the footage they usually gather, you can parse and edit things to sound a whole lot more dramatic and ill-intentioned than they were intended.
But I’m with you, I like to see respect between fighters. It just makes the Grudge Matches that much more real and exciting when they actually happen.
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yeah
You know what’s weird, though? Maybe the most genuine grudge match — as in a fight between two guys that do not like each other — in years has had the fakest hype and most boring, scripted bunch of trash talk ever. Hopkins-Jones II, I mean. If those two would just talk instead of memorize lines at their “debates,” I actually think they might have been able to drum up some real interest.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 11, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Great call.
It sucks when they dilute something that is as pure and obvious as Hopkins-Jones II with unnecessary manufactured hype and drama. This is a case where you put the spotlight on them and just let them be themselves, and it comes out better than any team of writers could contrive.
It’s another example of how boxing has kind of lost its way. In past eras, the promoters and script-writers knew when to step back and just hold the megaphone for their fighters, rather than trying to marionette the whole thing.
I agree that there would be more interest in that fight if they would just step back and let reality (and the fighter’s honest personalities) speak unobstructed.
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Wow, this vibe is really different than all the previous Face-Offs. The ominous music is completely out of place. These guys are just having a normal conversation. And because of the language issues, Max can’t be his normal corny, hype-generating self: he’s actually making a genuine effort to communicate with these guys instead of just playing a role. It’s like he’s at a cafe chatting with two foreign exchange students. At times, it’s like they’re not even conscious that the camera’s there.
all i gotta say is thank god there wasnt a 24/7 for this one … it may have turned away casuals rather then get them to buy.
Why?
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 12, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not boxzilla, but I suspect his reasoning may be that while the respect thing is nice, it’s not exactly good for filling four weeks of half-hour TV.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
I reckon that 24/7 can be compelling without the trash talking stuff but boxzilla is proabably right about the effect it would have had on the casual fans.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 12, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I started fading out a few minutes into this.
I can only listen to two guys tell me how much they respect each other so many times.
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If there is a Face-Off for Mayweather-Mosley I might just lose it and die in ecstasy. It would be awesome if theu just talked smack the whole time while Kellerman just watches and thinks to himself ‘this seems familiar…’ I really like these videos and little things you can pick up while watching them. For instance, Manny sits down and immediately stares at Clottey. Clottey sits down, sees that Manny is staring at him, looks at Max, looks at Manny, then looks back to Max before Max even starts the question. What does that mean? I have no idea but you can draw your own conclusions.
I suspect they're just doing this for fights that don't have a 24/7
And Mayweather-Mosley will have one.
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Did they?
I don’t remember that one for some reason. I remember the one for Berto-Mosley.
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I don’t remember it either but probably because they said the word ‘respect’ 500 times and it was interesting at the time but nothing memorable.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The language barrier probably had more to do with that than anything. It’s difficult to trash talk in a second language. Even Ricardo Mayorga had to use an interpreter.
In any event, while the “respect” stuff is a waste of time, I consider 99% of all trash talk to be similarly lame. I want to watch professional athletes compete our of their professionalism. Leave the personalities and soap opera B.S. to pro wrestling and the grade school playground.
What I would find interesting are serious interviews with boxers with detailed, intelligent questions about their styles, their past fights, technique, strategy, etc. (Not strategy for their upcoming fight, of course, but strategy generally.) Boxers should talk about boxing. It’s the only topic that they’re knowledgeable about and have interesting things to say about.
Boxers should talk about boxing. It’s the only topic that they’re knowledgeable about and have interesting things to say about.
That’s pretty generalized. Roy Jones knows basketball too. And rapping!
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
and cockfighting
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I guess you do get a Renaissance Man every once in a while…
Felix Trinidad is into cockfighting as well. I wonder if he and Roy ever talked about it before or after their fight.
I wonder if they ever fought cocks
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by Scott Christ on Mar 12, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
manny loves cockfighting
he owns a breeding farm in GenSan.
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Call PETA!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 12, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cock Fighting is fun, dude.
It’s not that barbaric, the whole thing is fairly quick and over in a matter of seconds. Can’t come up with a much more humane method of execution than attaching a three inch razor blade to the ankle of another rooster and letting him cut your throat.
Beats rectal-cution all to hell.
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Execution?
Making animals fight for sport is not a humane execution. The PETA thing was a joke anyway…
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 13, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose you need a bit of context.
Often times (if not the vast majority of the time) the vanquished are served up as that night’s dinner. It literally is execution.
And I do understand the taboo that surrounds it, but the duration of the suffering/pain is generally 2-5 seconds before the animal is unconscious.
Is it a kind thing to do, to kill animals? Absolutely not. But cockfighting has gotten an absurd amount of hyperbole and negative connotations surrounding it which are simply not representative of the actual events, in my opinion.
I’m not on a crusade or anything, and there are many (most?) people who would decry any form of damage be inflicted on our livestock. I don’t know where the line should be, but in my opinion cockfighting isn’t nearly as far over that line as most people believe.
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Interesting
I will cancel PETA
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 13, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
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