What fighters can you name who were or are "Avoided?"
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 10:00 AM EST
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Back in the day, Ronald “Winky “ Wright was avoided like he had the plague. Instead of high-profile fights that carried with them good paydays, he had to settle for three bouts against Bronco McKart. When he finally got his due, he made the most of it by beating Sugar Shane Mosley twice and schooling Felix “Tito” Trinidad. Ironically, his last fight (a UD loss) was against another boxer who carries the label of avoided; namely, Paul “The Publisher” Williams (38-1). Curiously, Williams, who is unusually tall and has a monster reach, also fought another avoided type back in 2007, one Antonio Margorito—who is now avoided for a different reason. Most famously, Floyd Mayweather Jr. reportedly turned down an $8 million offer to fight Margarito, Once these feared fighters finally engaged more prominent names and each other, the hefty paychecks rolled in and they no longer were the high-risk, low reward fighters that they had once been.
Can you name others--past or present?
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i think paul williams nickname is “punisher” not ‘publisher’ btw. :)
mike mccallum is probably the most avoided fighter of the 80s. aaron pryor was avioded for a long time as well in the late 70s, early 80s as well.
one old timer that comes to mind is sam langford. i remember reading numerous articles in the ring on just about everyone avoiding him back in the day. jack dempsey is quoted as saying he was afraid langford would knock him silly and thats why he never fought him.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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yeah
That Langford book I’ve recommended a couple times made him seem like the most avoided fighter ever. That’s surely at least in part because it was a book praising Sam Langford, but still.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Plus
all the other good black heavies in that era – Harry Wills,Joe Jeanette,Sam McVey.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Arrgh, Well, let’s just say I gave him a new nickname….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I like it
I sort of like to imagine him wearing one of those old-school reporter fedoras with the “press” ticket in the band. Not that that would really make him a publisher, but it’s the image I got.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
DAMN STRAIGHT!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Zsolt Erdei
Nobody fights this guy!!!
I keed.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Very good,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Erdei
must be top of the current list of "avoid’s the most " fighter’s.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Right now, probably Celestino Caballero
A few others who have been trying to make legitimate fights but have been unable to due to a combination of lack of name recognition and being dangerous – Sakio Bika, Lukas Konecny, David Lopez, Ali Funeka.
If Gabriel Campillo isn’t made a mandatory by the WBA, I suspect it will be him pretty soon. Tough style, awkward, southpaw, master counterpuncher, no name recognition whatsoever.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Good one
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Great list!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Vernon Forrest.
Oscar generally fought all comers but didn’t seem to want a part of him.
Vernon and Winky Wright could have had a “most avoided fighter” match up in the mid 2000’s…I’m not saying it would have been a good one but maybe interseting to see who would come out on top from the two,two-time conqueror’s of Shane Mosley.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Winky-Vernon was a fight I wanted to see up until Vernon’s untimely death, even. I thought that could’ve been very interesting indeed.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Forrest is a Great Choice
Forrest was a great example Matt . Very underrated fighter . Mayorga is underrated as well in my opinion . His prime was very short being a non training partier but between the Andrew Six Heads Lewis demolition and the second Forrest fight Ricardo was an animal . A real 147 pound beast .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
David Lopez
Another one of those who continues to carry the label of "most avoided," is David Lopez. Called "The Destroyer," he was the one being destroyed early in his career. Between 1996 and 2000, Lopez (from Nogales, Mexico) went 14-9 and was stopped 7 times. Later, in 2005, he was TKOd in the 12th round by Fulgencio Zuniga in a bid for something called the IBA Middleweight Title. He has not lost since and, more importantly, has lived up to his nickname; he has won his last 14 in a row. His current record is 38 (KO 23)-12 (KO 9) and he is now a serious factor in the middleweight division. His boxing journey is a rare case of a positive "U Turn" in which a boxer recovers from a terrible start. Most U turns are quite the opposite.
David Lopez is a tough hombre who has worked his way up in the rankings after a dreadful start to his professional career. Now all he needs is an opportunity to engage in a high profile fight with the kind of purse that makes it all worthwhile. In short, the Destroyer needs more willing challengers—guys like John Duddy, Dimitry Pirog, or even Winky Wright.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions
indeed
This is a guy who gets almost no respect but does nothing but win lately.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 13, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone who isn’t with Frank Warren :D.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Was Oliver McCall avoided by some of the top heavies in the late 80’s/90’s ?
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 12:28 PM EST reply actions
i wouldn’t say avoided for him. he had the rep as a really great and durable sparring partner who had a great right hand but didn’t really show any great potential when he had his fights. he had some loses when he stepped up in competition as well. orlin norris, tony tucker and buster all beat him before he cleaned lennox’s clock.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 12, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutley and the rest of “Muderer’s Row”
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’m looking forward to reading that book.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed, Doanire
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not so sure Donaire is avoided
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I agree.
That seems to be at least a mutually difficult situation for him and any prospective opponent.
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
At one time a while ago I would of said Lennox . ( Mike T. , Big Daddy and the comeback Foreman wanted no part of Lenny Lewis)
Aaron Pryor is an obvious one from way back and maybe Sam Langford , from what I’ve read , from way , way back .
Paul Williams today ?
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Lenny Lewis
is a good one i wouldn’t have thought of,Sir Jack.
Bowe,more than anyone didn’t want to know did he.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Matt – yes mate . The “belt in ’da bin” incident still makes me laugh . More WWE than boxing .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Roy “Tiger” Wlliams, a legendary Philly gym monster who could not translate his skills into the big ones, but he was avoided.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions
I’ve just been reading about him in your book.
Hadn’t heard of him ’til then.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he was some monster and his fight with Shavers is an all-timer. I have the tape. Oh my, the last two rounds were beyond belief. Talk about drama.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Until
he was stopped by Shavers, right? Do I have the correct Williams?
Tough, if sometimes sloppy, televised bout—if I have the right one.
by Don From Prov on Mar 13, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
yea he lost to shavers and holmes back to back.
tiger is a guy many forget (or know) about when talking philly boxing.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 13, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
A true Gym legend
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
yea he sure was.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Twisting the question a little just gave me a laugh .
Who was the biggest “avoider” ?
I give you Mr Feather Fists Sven Ottke .
Even Ted will struggle to beat that one . hehehe
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Quite a few Germany based fighters in the 90’s- 2000’s – Ottke,Erdei,Michalzweski,
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes Matt but Sven’s the king in my book .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe,but at least Ottke did fight some top 10 fighters.
Erdei has fought very few contenders,considering he was holding a belt for 5 years.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I played with that myself—heh heh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
It’s negative I know but makes for some good fun . I’ve got a few more ….haha
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Marvin Hagler avoided for quite a few years by a guy,i’ve forgot his name now……
Sugar Ray erm…………
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Marvin Hagler was avoided by EVERYONE in the game for more than few years. Dude went 49 fights before he finally got a title shot, only to be robbed-by-draw.
yes indeed he was.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
From Graeme Barrow via email from New Zealand
Tony Thompson.
Nino Valdes – (Al Weill didn’t want any part of him).
Archie Moore – ditto, until he was older.
Harold Johnson – Moore didn’t want any part of HIM.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Good question Ted!
How about a blast from the past? Injin Chi..Gave Morales nightmares didn’t he?
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just re-watched his fight with Michael Brodie a while back… great fight, and an absolute robbery that it ended up as a draw instead of a win for Chi.
by Verklemptomaniac on Mar 12, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He was awesome in the fights I watched of his,
I only watched a few, but he had ‘it’, whatever ‘it’ is…..
Some people are acting like Pacquiao should be expected to have just gone, "Yeah sure, let’s do something I’ve never done before because your dad made some dumbass baseless comment."
(SC, 28/12/09; http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/12/27/1221143/mayweather-pacquiao-update-bob#comments)
Phil – indeed . Injin Chi is a great one .
What a tough bugger .
Eric Morales is the only “top” operator that I can remember him getting a fight with .
The fights with Brodie were hard ….closet classics , the first one inparticular was a hell of a battle . Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Thanks Sir J.
They were good good fights, you’re dead right…. How about Bika? He’s deffo another member of the “who needs him?” club.
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Phil YES – Another guy that never gave anyone an easy night was Bika .
Calzaghe had a nightmare with him ( it must be said JC had some serious issues going into the fight and suffered an injury early ….but he did give him a very tough night , the toughest night apart from Hops imo) . I was very surprised JC fought him .
Manferdo found to his cost that he is best avoided even now . Good call on Bika Phil – I agree . Is he still active ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Bika is no fun for anyone to fight Sir Jack , he’s got a rock like chin and is incredibly strong . I haven’t seen the Bika – Bute fight but I’ve been told that the Canadian did a better job of outboxing Sakio than anyone else has . .Mundine doesnt want anything to do with Bika .Cheers mate
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
A LOT of fighters are avoided cos they are boring as f8ck, not just cos they are dangerous. Fighters with styles that are taylor made to make you look bad, spilers if you like.
And if they are boring,they don’t make you no money.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
side note
The more I get used to BLH and it’s features, the more cool i think the site is, quite forward thinking I believe.
Yes. It controls the dialouge and keeps the MORONS out.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
es – Yes mate . Hopkins could make Beyonce look bad .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
Beyonce!!! Good thing there are no similes here.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Least
avoided (if any of us had a choice) would = Beyonce.
by Don From Prov on Mar 13, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly / JC40
Exactly Matt, and they don’t realise that they won’t get another big shot by spoiling the show. Sir Jack, I was just about to post about Hopkins but did not want to offend the good poster JC40….LMFAO.
ES – LOL ! JC40’S a legend but even legends have flaws . JC40’s is Popkins !!
I have many flaws but Hokins is not one . German porn and alcohol are in there amongst some interesting others .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
;-) Johnno
I resemble those remarks you bludger Johnno LOL I promise under the threat of having to watch the Calzaghe v Thornberry fight on a loop for 8 hours that I wont write any more biblical posts abould old Bernie . < Getting on me soapbox and checking out how this frigging megaphone works .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Chad Dawson,
to me at least is an example of a boxer with a boring style who probably doesn’t get the big fights he should and could be classed as somewhat avoided,certainly by B-Hop.He has no following though.
Dawson v Hopkins would struggle to fill my local town hall! :)
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions
Some compare Dawson’s style to Mayweather but,personally,i like to watch Mayweather whereas Dawson sends me to sleep.
Maybe there is better to come from him?
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
2 get beat …every single time . Come on Shane son !!
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions
I hope you are right Sir Jack. Personally Pacquiao / Mosley would be a better fight. To see Floyd flat on his f8cking back would be great. I am looking forward to a weekend of Sport. The Toon to beat the smoggies hopfully, Button or Schumi to win the F1 and a great fight whoever wins !
and the rugby mate . Tis a good week end for the sports fanatics .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Thank Christ Aussie Sam Soliman and Junior Witter werent the same size , that would have been one fight that you would pay to be allowed not to watch . Good Onya Phil.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Nah Mate
They’ll show it next couple of weeks Phil , we dont get much of a spoil here vis a vis the fights . Too busy showing the bloody cricket , our football codes and the premier league to show any live fights that dont involve an Aussie . Cheers Mate!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
LMAO Phil as popular as a klansman at a coroboree or as popular as a jew in Mecca come to mind . As popular as herpes , I better shut up before I offend someone mate lol . Have a great one , Im off down the markets mate .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Hey JC – was just talking about you! Hope your well mate ?
Unlike 10cc – I really don’t like fooking cricket so I pity your viewing choices mate .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I do like Reggae though
Cheers Sir Jack , Good Onya Mate , when you walk in my world wont you have some respect lol < Loading up the rubber bullets .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
eek-a-mouse “the ganja smuggler” is my personal chill out no.1 .
You can get some strange looks in Cardiff blasting that out with the window down I can tell you .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ya Mon
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Spot on Phil . The shittest hitter Witter was indeed what you say imo .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions
oh aye
Junior Shitter, spent more time posing.
and slagging off Hatton for daring to fight the best about instead of the worst ..ie …himself .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
btw
Hatton will not fight again, too many £$£$£$£$£$£, too fat, no hunger. Can’t make 140 either, not now.
and his punch resistance has gone . No Hatton should not fight again ….what would be the point except £s …and unlike most he’s got plenty .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Audley Harrison is struggling to get a fight now the division has seen what he can really do in the little UK Tourney .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
That's a JOKE by the way
For anyone not familiar with my sense of humour , hehehe
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions
Witter really was unpopular.
He was less popular than a fart in a phone box!
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nasty stuff, that!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Less popular than a pork chop at a bar mitzvah
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Sir J
Here we go with the old " as popular as…" japes!
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah – thats it for me Phil , Ted will wake up from his knap soon and be all grumpy . He may think we are pissing on his thread and unleash his wrath !! lol .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Herol Graham
I have a feeling he was largely avoided too, but I may be wrong. Maybe somebody can correctme. Typical Ingle fighter I suppose.
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Phil . Indeed .
Not a fan of Ingle’s . No Sir .
Jonny Nelson , Hamed . That should say it all . I did like Bomber though .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions
Kell Brook will be more interesting to watch as Ingle fighters go,imo.
He’s on Sky tonight.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions
Alrite Matt.
Yep. Looking forward to later on. Enzo’s fighting too. Just trying to stay awake now.. been a long week.
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alrite mate,
i posted back in the thread lower down.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know I’m way off topic here but I remember that arguement between Naz, Ingle and Eubank on a live interview . Funny as F***.
I don’t like Ingle but that was funny , Eubank was funnier
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2_ciOI3Nk
Enjoy – haha .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions
Ian Darke
has most definitely got a face for the radio. :).
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
That was pretty funny.Ingle was “up for it”. :).
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sir J
Not sure if Bika is still fighting, I’m sure he is though. I always thought he should have been in the “6” instead of JT personally. He’d ruffle a few feathers!
by Phill on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Phil
Live Sky thread is on the main page.It can get quite funny. :).
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
He should have taken the Green fight.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Avoided??
UNCLE TEDDY One of the most avoided of his era was Jose “Mantequilla” Napoles. He was a HOT young prospect and although he was THEE top ranked contender FOR YEARS, Napoles was forced to jump TWO weight classes, from 135 to 147, to FINALLY get a shot, as a welter already in his 30s. For years he was a small Jr welter that DOMINATED the welterweight division. Lightweight champs Carlos Ortiz and Ismael Laguna never answered the challenge. Later the Jr welter kings like Eddie Perkins, Carlos Hernandez, Nicolino Locche, Paul Fuji, Dulio Loi… wanted any part of him before, during and after their title reigns. One of THEE ‘Most Avoided’ of his time and.. prime!
Great on EZ
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Great post EZY
Great post Ez .Matequilla looked like a lightweight in size , Ill have to susss out box rec and see what percentage of his career was at 135 . Tyrone Everitt comes to mind when I was a kid as a bloke nobody wanted to fight . I remember the outcry after the Everitt – Escalera fight . Jimmy Young was another spoiler that nobody really wanted to fight . Cheers Fellas ..
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Spot On Matt
They reckon Sakio over estimates his worth in negotiating fights Matt . Im no expert on management strategy but Bikas two title shots were against highly respected fighters on their own dunghills in Calzaghe and Bute . They should do the usual Aussie thing and fight a stiff for the IBA or some such title . Green and Mundine have milked the public well using that method.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Goog God, what have I unleashed here?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions
err, good
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 6:40 PM EST reply actions
Matt, unless I do it on Mozilla, that is a function of my recent operation. My hands tend to shake to the point where I can’t hold a cup of coffee, but each day it gets better. Hopefully, by golf season, I’ll be 100%..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
lol
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ted,
I hope my joke wasn’t in bad taste?
I don’t have a clue as to what you are going through at the moment,mate.
I’m sure you’ve got plenty of years of writing left but i don’t forget what you have been through and i know that you have already forgotten more than the vast majority of us will ever know.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Take it as easy you like mate.
You’ve more than earned the privilige.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 12, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh God, don’t worry about me, mate. My skin is like a lizzard. It has to be if you are going to do this stuff. Actually, writing on line has really helped me b=ecome less thin skinnded over the years.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
The thing that scares me is when I am rseraching and come across some boxer who dies of injuries sustained ina bout and they describe the injuries as a subdural hematoma. That chills me a tad. But then, I realize that mine was not caused by a blunt trauma like a boxer’s.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Just the words “blunt trauma” make me cringe a bit.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 13, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
Lucky "The Grammarian" isn't allowed to post here .
He was a right b******* who would pull you up for the slightest breech of the Queens English . Hehehe . Cough , cough .
I guess you’ve got a "get out of jail free "card at the moment though Ted .
Good luck with the shakey hand syndrome mate though your illness hasn’t made any difference to your knowledge and insight . Still as spot on as usual .
Long live da Bull and ’em coming mate .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 12, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the brain still workd and the motor skills are 100%. Now, if I can drop about 30 pounds, I’ll be good to go.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
The question
might be: Would the shaking improve your golf game
by Don From Prov on Mar 13, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to even get close to that one. I know a trap (pardon the pun) when I see one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I do
not doubt that you are conversant with traps.
by Don From Prov on Mar 17, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutley and I set them better than any human being I know—heh heh heh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger that!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 12, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions
I don’t know much about him, but Kid Norfolk was another old school black fighter who never got the title shot that his talent warranted.
That was even before MY day!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
gotta go with Glen Johnson too, the guys still goin strong at 41 and nobody’s knocking down the door to get in the ring with him.
Yes thats a good one.Tavoris Cloud pulling out makes me wonder.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 13, 2010 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
Very good.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
Johnson’s fought Tarver, Jones, Hopkins, Dawson twice. I mean, who hasn’t fought him? Joe Calzaghe wanted nothing to do with him, allegedly.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 13, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
One guy doesn’t necessarily make a guy “avoided.” And to be honest I think Cloud probably got out of a bad promotional contract and had to postpone because of that. I bet he’ll fight him this summer.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Avoid can =
some nuance. For instance, though he fought about two million times, nobody seemed to want to give Archie Moore a title shot. Same with Lamotta. Don’t recall a clamor to give Marvin Hagler his title-time, but that brought about his trips into the deathpit of fighting tough Philly fighters inPhilly, and that = good for us all.
Cus D seemed to do some avoiding for Floyd Patterson when it came to Sonny.
Must be a list of murderous punchers who were side-stepped waiting out there.
Jake was a classic example of this.So was Moore.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t recall a clamor to give Marvin Hagler his title-time, but that brought about his trips into the deathpit of fighting tough Philly fighters inPhilly, and that = good for us all.
Yes, there was no brotherly love awaiting the Marvelous One in the deathpits.
Someone probably already mentioned him, but Nonito Donaire’s phone probably does not ring off the hook.
Someone also probably mentioned this one, but I have heard that many men would have rather climbed in the ring with two hungry bears then fight Joe Walcott – not Jersey Joe, but Barbados Joe, who fought another avoided-like-the-plaguer in Sam Langford.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Barbados
Joe seems to have been a “small” monster.
The clamor over his name seems to have brought jrok back.
That = a good thing!
by Don From Prov on Mar 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back, mate
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers Ted
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Cheers to you good buddy
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
“Walcott was a short, squat fighter with long arms and an extremely powerful punch; He was also quick and durable; He was one of the greatest “pound for pound” fighters in boxing history and fought men weighing from lightweight to heavyweight during his career
“Both Nat Fleischer and Charley Rose ranked Walcott as the #1 All-Time Welterweight; Other sports personalities such as Tad Dorgan, Tom O’Rourke, Dan Morgan and Jimmy Johnston had called Joe "the greatest pound for pound fighter who ever lived" ; He was elected to the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame in 1955 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991. "
BEFORE EVEN MY TIME!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus,
(on the topic of Hagler and Philly) the place, to use a cliche, forged him.
by Don From Prov on Mar 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
EErragh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Ted, tell remember that closet classic between the Stegosaurus and the Woolly Mammoth. Four savage rounds! : )
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I do
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though, Ted, it is great to know that you are in good health. Hearing about that scare you had was more bad news in a very bad news time of year.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Yeah, it scared the s—- out of me to be quite honest. The thing is, it detrroyed the illusion of invincibilty that I had since I never had been sick prior to that. Bam, just like that and you are on an operating table. Well, I did stop smoking cigars.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They
weren’t exactly lining up to fight Jose Luis Lopez back the Golden Boy days.
Did you mean Jose Louis Ramirez?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope,
the very tough but inconsistent (not always interested? rarely going for the kill) Lopez who knocked Quartey down twice but had to settle for a draw, and who also beat Aaron Davis, but who also gave the top fighters enough excuses to ignore him, which they were glad to do.
by Don From Prov on Mar 18, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
OK then, good call.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
back in the Golden Boy days--
But why get a post right now? Imperfection = beauty.
(As us ugly folks always say.)
Nice proofing!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are being called out by the moron at you know where.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't
say it was a “call out.” More like a mild, “Hello.”
One that I reciprocated.
by Don From Prov on Mar 17, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy spends 8 hours a day on the posting while making his clients millions. Uh huh. Frigging pathalogical physchotic liar.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Charley Burley
and
The Black Murderers’ Row
by
Harry Otty
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions
From the legendary Welshman via email from Wales
> there was a period when you’de have thought Lennox Lewis was suffering from leprosy the way Bowe and Tyson avoided him , and looking back in boxing history the great Jack Johnson had to chase world champ Tommy Burns all the way to Australia to catch up with him , and coming right up to date it,s surely obvious to all that Amir Khan is staying well away from hard punching light welter Marcos Miadana. good luck THE WELSHMAN.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions
I get the feeling if Maidana puts on a show against Cayo later this month, he’ll really be in this group. There’s plenty of talent at 140 and I don’t think any of them are going to be anxious to fight him if he looks good again. He’s got nasty power.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 13, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
All but one of his wins came by KO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
and he could easily be 28-0 (26)
If you think he deserved the W over Kotelnik (and I do).
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Good one,
Burns/Johnson.
But I must say that if I was 5’7 and weighed 170 lbs. I’d have made the son-of-a bitch chase me a lot further than Australia. There would have been no catching up at all. Uh-uh. No way.
Graeme Barrow via email from New Zealand
Sonny Liston – until finally Patterson agreed to face him.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions
But wasn't that because of Liston's mob ties?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Liston's
mob ties + his left hook + his ramrod jab + general surliness
+ Floyd’s chin)
by Don From Prov on Mar 13, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Langford never got a fair shot at a title
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 13, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Archie Moore
When he was a middleweight, he better mids avoided him like the plague.
Indeed
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"Leonard moved up in weight to avoid Aaron." (Butch Lewis)
Pryor is the guy Pacquiao most resembles. IMO, Pacman is faster, a better all-around boxer, but doesn’t hit as hard.
I agree 100%. I even said that in my breakdown.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
leonard wanted nothing to do with mike mccallum as well.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 15, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Good one. Not too many did.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Clottey
is good at avoiding fightingin general.
WELL, GET ON MY NEW ARTICLE WHERE YOU WILL FINF D NO CROWS FLYING ABOUT. THEY AREFLOCKING AROUND YOIU KNOW WHERE….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Avoided boxers
They go back to Sam Langford and can even include females like Ann Wolfe. In Philly Hank Lundy is one of them who has beaten so called better fighters up in the gym who were preparing for main events. His stablemates Eric “Outlaw” Hunter and Dhafir Smith are two others who have problems getting fights. Then most knockout guys like Saul Alvarez and even Edwin Valero who is a champion whom they are keeping out of the US for reasons to be determined. Luis Collazo made Hatton look bad and a lot of fighters stay away from him do to styles.
yea ali avoided her for sure.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 15, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
ANN wOLF IS A GREAT ONE. NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT HER.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions
Murderer’s Row got stiffed big time.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
1. Williams
2. Burley
3. Marshall
4. Bivins
5. Booker
6. Chase
7. Lytell
8. Carter
9. Wade
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Williams Bold phrase
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Danny Green Avoided ?
Avoided fighter : Danny " The Green Machine " Green . !
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
good one
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
??
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
hERE IS ANOTHER WHO WAS AVOIDED AND FOR GOOD REASON. cHECK HIM OUT. i REM,EBER HIM WELL.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
WHOOPS
Ricardo “Pajarito” Moreno
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Roy "Tiger" Williams
I wouldn’t drive through Philadelphia because I didn’t want to take a chance on running into Williams.
— Ernie Shavers
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
RE: Charley Burley
Like some of the other posters, the obvious choice was Winky Wright, Paul Williams and Mike McCallum. However, after a bit of research, I would say Charley Burley. Below is a quote that sums him up.
“Too good for his own good” was a statement made by many boxing managers and promoters of the 1940s when referring to Pittsburgh’s Charley Burley. Arguably the greatest boxer never to win a world title, Burley was the most feared fighter of his generation and the most avoided fighter in the history of boxing.
During his career (1936 – 1950) Burley beat three world champions in three different weight categories, but was denied a chance to fight for any title.
by L.L. Cool John on Mar 22, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
For sure!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
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