Pacquiao-Clottey: Ted the Bull's Prediction/Outcome Analysis
by Bad Left Hook on Mar 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT
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Back again with another feature is Ted "The Bull" Sares, who looks back at his prediction for last night's Pacquiao-Clottey fight, and examines how it turned out in the end.
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I see "Pac Man" beating the "Grand Master" in a medium-paced fight in which Manny will exploit Clottey's weakness beginning in the mid rounds (but I don't see it happening the other way around). This exploitation will be enhanced by Pacquio's incredibly fast in-and-out movement accompanied by just about every punch in the manual-- and each thrown with malice aforethought-as he befuddles the Ghanaian and slows down his already slow stalk.
However, despite his superb performances against Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya, I don't see him winning within the distance. Clottey is just too strong in my view. After a competitive start - maybe the first five rounds -- I see Manny reaching cruising speed and begin to dominate, In the end, Clottey's trademark pressure and counter-punching will not be able to overcome Pacquiao's foot speed and quick-handed, sharp-punching attacks. Speed will be the decisive factor here and speed is what Manny Pacquiao is all about
I envision Pacquiao outworking Clottey and building an early lead, although possibly without landing a whole lot of hard, clean punches through Clottey's excellent guard. I'm going with Pacquiao by solid UD.
Outcome
Except for the absence of counterpunching by Clottey, the fight turned out pretty close to the prediction. Clottey's inability to pull the trigger once again cost him dearly, except this time, when he did pull it, he paid a price. Manny also exploited Clottey's weaknesses earlier than I anticipated -- by the third round to be exact.
Clottey's corner also proved less than compelling and instead of giving him some tactical advice, it simply repeated the obvious. Namely, that he was behind and had better start throwing some punches.
In sum, Clottey clearly lacked the Eye of the Tiger; Manny did not, and won this one with his blinding speed and and quick-handed, sharp-punching, punishing attacks.
We are fortunate to witness this marvelous fighting machine. Indeed, those of you who are young enough will be discussing him with your grandchildren in years to come.
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Ted was right.
Munch…munch…munch. That is the sound of me eating some humble pie. I thought that Clottey’s size and defense would give the Pac Man trouble. And Clottey did have good defense but he forgot to throw punchs from Rd 4-12. So I was wrong and I will be the 1st to admit it.
I wonder if this would be a good indicator of what could happen if PBF and Pac Man ever fight one another? Floyd doesn’t like to get into exchanges either and he could very well lose a SD due to lack of activity. Only time will tell.
PS- Ted great job on the analysis
Thanks, DL
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this would be a good indicator of what could happen if PBF and Pac Man ever fight one another?
No. Mayweather and Clottey are completely different fighters. Mayweather capitalizes on the mistakes he forces others to make with his movement. Clottey just stands there with his guard up. I wouldn’t even call what Clottey did last night good defense. It was just defense for defense’s sake.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It was weird. I think he might have been over awed by the entire specatcle—not to mention a very nice payday. At the end of the day, you have to ask: Was Manny that good or was Clottey that bad?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really impressed by the very effective body work Pacquiao got through on Clottey, and then when I realized Clottey was just going to try to man up and take those shots to the body instead of dropping his hands at all, I knew Clottey had no intention of making it a fight anymore.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost as if he were in there to survvive and collect some righteous cash.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you do tha highlighting?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
when you reply
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Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, SC
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather and
Clottey are completely different fighters, but the one trait that DL mentioned that both do share is that they don’t like exchanges.
by Don From Prov on Mar 14, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but Clottey covers up while Mayweather moves and makes offensive openings for himself. Just a totally different fight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Right,
no argument at all.
The point would still stand— but without any particular significance unless Manny can dictate some of the ring when and if they fight. I’d be interested in finding out how well Floyd would react to being hit with some consistency at this point in his career. However, its something I might never see happen. Or, maybe Mosley will do just that pretty soon.
by Don From Prov on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He did in the Oscar fight.
He covered up for most of the 1st part of the Oscar and Juda fight. (I call it the Mayweather rope-a-dope, tucks his chin under his shoulder and covers his face with the left hand) Then started to land with lead right hands and pot shots with some hooks here and there.
True that Clottey and Mayweather are totally different, just think it could be a similar fight with Pac Man throwing a lot of punches and Mayweather not taking chances and just getting out worked.
yeah but while he is moving a lot more than clottey does that’s all he does when applied too much pressure. in the DLH fight oscar wailed way endlessly when he had PBF trapped on the ropes and won rounds that way. difference in that fight was that DLH was already old and got tired after 5 rounds of that. pacquiao proved that he can sustain that type of aggression for 12 rounds as proven by his ridiculous 100+ punches per round performance last night. the REAL question is, does pacquiao have the jab to bully money may on the ropes so that he can wail away on him much like DLH. remember if DLH hadn’t abandoned the jab (it wasn’t the night for it apparently), DLH would have won that fight with constant pressure
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 14, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather is a better counter puncher too
Better then Clottey, and alot better then Marquez who gave Manny problems.
I don't know
that Floyd is a lot better counter-puncher than Marquez.
Not at all.
And I don’t know that he’s willing to take the chances to let his shots go like JMM.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting use of "eye of the tiger"
Clottey was like Rocky. Surviving the Pac onslaught was a moral victory, given how the Hatton’s, Cotto’s and Morales’ before him had been stopped.
I would say that he had the eye of the tiger by doing that. If anything, it just cemented his status as a tough gatekeeper.
Interesting take, cyke.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
From Graeme Barrow vis email from New Zealand. I'm trying to get him toi sign up--eragghhh
Brilliantly predicted.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
Well done, Ted
You’re right, Many is an all-time great. And he’s not finished yet.
Don't tell me I play bum notes - I KNOW!
by Randy Loathsome on Mar 14, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks, Bob
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Steward as a traine, but I don’t care for him on HBO. However, one thing he said that resonated with me was that Manny is like a machine. I put that in my book, as I was still able to insert this fight in there. I have never quite seen anything like him in my almost 60 years of following boxing. Sugar Ray Robinson or Wllie Pep or maybe Sandy Saddler come to mind. And I am too young to know what Henry Armstrong was all about.. Manny is something else, and I now believe he will beat Mayweather if they fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
Manny’s actually become my favorite HBO guy. For years he didn’t click with me. But it might just be that I don’t care for Kellerman, and Lampley and Merchant have fallen off a cliff the last couple years. BANG! BANG BANG BANG!! BANG BANG!!!!!!
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guessing that you are not counting Harold because he is simply so much better than the rest of the team?
Lederman quite often comes out with ridiculous scorecards,imo.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s usually alright, but I do remember wondering what he was on for the first Williams-Quintana fight. He was describing a Paul Williams jab that just was not happening.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, sometimes he does.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
As compared to the frequency that I see ridiculous scorecards from actual judges, I think Harold is usually more in-line with the scorekeepers here at BLH and most people in press row.
I am usually in line with him. The one thing he does is that he never gives even rounds.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m the same. I don’t know why. I just think it’s kind of a cop-out. Make the call, you know? I have scored a very few. I know I had one in one of the Marquez-Vazquez fights.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There were 1 or 2 in the Williams v Martinez fight too,imo.
Sometimes it really is almost impossible to split em.
But i suppose if you give one close round to one guy,you could give the next close one to the other.
If it’s too close to call,it’s 10-10 though,imo.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think it’s very often so close that I can’t make up my mind one way or the other.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 14, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok,‘quite often’ might have been a bit of an exagerration but i am sure i have been watching HBO on numerous occasions and Steward and Merchant have disagreed with him.
And so have i.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
God no. Harold is a personal friend and just about the most decent guy in boxing. 100% genuine. The only score I had an issue with was when he stiffed Mo Harris against Holmes. But Harold has been real solid for the past few years.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
OK BANG BANG BANG
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO...
Me and a friend of mine were watching the fight and we heard the “BANG, BANG, BANG”, and he turned to me and said, “Are we watching that old batman show? They just need to put those graphics on there that say BANG, POW, BLAW everytime Manny lands a punch.”
But
you’ve felt Manny would beat Floyd before, just after> a good MP performance.
by Don From Prov on Mar 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Trainer-ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
Spot On,Ted
You were very good with your analysis as usual.
I thought the same result would occur myself but i also wondered if Manny might make the ref jump in somewhere between 9-12.
If Clottey would have actually fought more,that might well have happened,imo.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Manny and Roach showed how smart they were by haviing Manny open up inorder to get Clottey to open up, and then rain punches on him. A great plan. Roach is a genius IMO. Calm and cunning, and knows how to play head games.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time Manny was actually in trouble?
My point is, even though he does tend to get hit frequently in his fights, it doesn’t seem that it has more than a glancing effect on his plan or work rate. A guy like Mayweather capitalizes on his opponent’s mistakes and then drives the nails through the coffin once he’s turned the tide.
I’m wondering if it’s even possible to turn the tide on Manny any more.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Of course you’re skeptical. Manny hasn’t been in the ring with anyone who will challenge him at welterweight.
The talk is the same for Mayweather as well, however, Mayweather is public enemy #1, the most hated man in Boxing. Regardless of who Pacquiao defeats, he will always come out smelling like a rose.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
I don't know about the notion that Pacquiao hasn't been in with fighters who would challenge him.
I mean, Cotto and Clottey are near-prime fighters who had the physical advantages on Manny, but his speed and furious pace were just too much for them to adjust to. Oscar said it was like getting hit by twenty guys. Hatton acted like it was that many that hit him by the way he went down. Cotto got absolutely manhandled in his match, and Clottey barely survived the onslaught by doing nothing other than turtling up the entire fight.
Clottey might well be the ‘toughest’ fighter within twenty pounds of that weight class, and he barely made it the distance with Pacquiao without offering a single opening for Manny to exploit.
I think the verdict is in: Manny Pacquiao is the top fighter in those weight classes, and to say that nobody would challenge him is kind of like saying nobody took good swings off of Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens, which is why they had such great careers.
Athletes make their own ‘luck.’ Manny’s got gold dust coming out of every pore of his being at the moment.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 14, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In the words of John McEnroe
“the better you are, the luckier you get, it’s not an accident”. It’s the truth.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Ryan
And the reason Mayweather seems to always come out smelling like shit ?
Maybe ’cos everytime he opens his mouth that unpleasant aroma just comes wafting out .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 15, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to believe more and more that Pac can beat Floyd .
It’s not based on last night (obviously Clottey is no Mayweather ) but rather based on what I’ve been seeing for the last few years .
Pac just gets better and better and it’s hard to find any real weakness in his game that Floyd , the exploiter of weaknesses , would be able to exploit .
We will see if it ever happens .
Well done Pac , no1 p4p by a country mile in my book .
Shane / Floyd is going to be very interesting .
My head says The little T**t will win , my heart screams Shane .
Looking forward to that one – lots .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Stop drinking the Pac-man Koolaid.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 -- 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
It’s only OK to drink the Floyd Kool-Aid.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
I like the Manny Kool-aid
It’s exciting and refreshing, the Mayweather Kool-aid always seems to leave a hint of a bad taste in my mouth. Well I really took that metaphor too far.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, Ryan? What do you have against him?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m struggling to put into words Clotteys performance last night .
I think " the art of fighting without fighting " is the most apt I can come up with .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
Sums the whole affair up rather well
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Very Good Sir Jack - lol
Or maybe ‘The art of defence with no Fighting’
Indeed mate !
I was expecting a "go out on your shield " type of fight from Clottey .
We got a " hide behind your shield" instead .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Blocking 101.
Next lesson was counter-punching. Too bad he didn’t get around to that one before the bell rang :(
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
pbf will win and I shall break it down and show you hw and why he will win. But I also agree with you that he will not beat Pac.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
I really see Pac PBF as a ‘who can impose their corner’s gameplan on the other fighter’ kind of fight. Can PBF get pac to be tentative in throwing bunches of punches? Can Pac get pbf to open up and trade with him? I think PBF might lose a split decision not because he will lose the fight, but because the crowd will go nuts every time he shoulder rolls one of Pac’s punches and that will affect the judges’ scorecards (As much as I want to believe that the audience doesn’t affect judging….it does..).
Yes, I agree with you, It does.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed Ted . I’m not going to like that one little bit .
Shane has been a favourite of mine over the years and it’ll be hard to see him lose to that guy but I’m afraid he probably will .
That said – we are talking about a guy rolled back the years and beat up Cheato when many didn’t give him much chance . If he catches pbf it could be a different story .
That is one for a different thread though .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
You may enjoy this
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/1/31/1285687/if-you-were-nazim-richardson
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. I’m going to really analyz that before I do my breakdown. I did one a few years back, but they never ended up fighting. I called it "The"Perfect Storm."
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I did - thanks mate
Very good breakdown of what Shane needs to do . I agree with you totally .
Thanks again .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I did – thanks mate Very good breakdown of what Shane needs to do . I agree with you totally .
Thanks again .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a great post by Arreglado
I reckon Pac could utilize Arreglados plan , Donny . Shane might be too old . Cheers mate .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I do believe a fresh Mosley poses a bigger danger to PAC than does PBF. My thing with Mosley is whether he has gotten a bit long in the tooth.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't help but think that he has
I mean he was looking old before Margarito and it’s been over a year since then. Of course he looked superb in that fight but Toni is so much slower than Maywetaher I am still concerned. It won’t surprise me at all if Mosley looks too old to be really competitive.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The intangible might be that Tony was so discombobulated by the pre-fight event, he was ripe for the taking. Also, if you listen carefully to how Mosley speaks, you can detect a lot of wear and tear in there. Very nasal old school sound. I don’t like it. Just a personal opinion, but one I have had ever since the Mayorga fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely he will make more for more of a challenge than Mr Clottey did last night.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"Nelson, Quartey & Clottey" are all guilty.
Ted,
Many of the great African fighters except for Big Dick Tiger & John Mugabi, are or have been guilty of failing to let their hands go in a fight…. Even Azumah “The Professor” Nelson often made ear muffs for too long without throwing….. But “Quartey & Clottey” take the cake……. To much waiting and making ear muffs….. They own good defense and power, but not even combo punching in bunches……. They often fell or fall behind in a fight merely looking to land the bomb to turn things around….. Bad strategy…..
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
Actually, you have a point, though after the Sanchez classic, Nelson became a different kind of fighter and far more active. But them just when I am ready to fall into the trap of stereotyping African fighters, I have to keep in mind that South Africans fight like Brits and Ben Tackie (from Ghana) is a super volume puncher who one broke a record with Ray “Sucra” Olivirea for number of punches thrown. Bottom line, each country on the Africans continent has boxers who use a different style and I try to prove this in my new book.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sid is GREAT, Ted.......
I like the ‘Haig’ photo….
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
Yes, Captain Spaulding will keep away negative posting for a while I trust.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Cant Sleep Clowns Will Eat Me
Word of warning to my fellow Clown haters , dont put shit on em if Captain Spaulding is around he he he
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Love the actor, loved the character
and really enjoyed The Devil’s Rejects. Haig is pretty incredible.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Damn straight. An Armanian who grew up in California.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted - you pretty much had it Spot on !
If anything once again Manny exceeded our expectations – I had a sneaking feeling he just might stop Clottey, but in a sense given Clottey’s approach I think that was near impossible. Overall i’d say once agin he has exceeded expectations – That’s 4 Fights in a row – WOW !
Thanks Bristal
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to make Pac v Mayweather this year because if he doesn’t retire,his skills are gonna start diminishing in the next year or so i reckon.
Personally i think Pac was at his absolute peak between the DLH and Cotto fights and although i was very impressed last night,i think he has got to start slowing down sometime.
Maybe thats what Mayweather’s waiting for :D.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
Mayweather and his clan are canny and cunning. You may very well have hit it on the head. No one has a more rested body than PBF—after all, he fights when he damn pleases—in between tears, and retiremnts and tax scandals—- ugh, pass the vomit bucket.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly !
He’s got a fooking cheek calling himself a "fighter ".
More like a “rester” in my book .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
Thats not you in your profile picture is it Ted?
Mean looking Son of a Gun whoever it is.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
No that’s Sid Haig. He is an actor who plays in a number of horror flicks. He is very good and has a minor cult following (me and MR. Bill being members of the cult). He played Captain Spaulding in a couple of Rod Zombiie flicks. Even though he is a pyscho killer and worse, there is something affable about him.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
I noticed you have a bit of mean look,a killer,if you will,in some of the photos on your website. :)
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
Yet in others you look like a big Ted(dy) Bear. :D.
by Matt (Yorkshire) on Mar 14, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
Basically, I’m a nice bloke who has a passion for boxing. It’s been an on and off hobby for almost 60 years. When I retired, I morphed into writing. It keeps my brain active. I like my photo with Chvalo the best though the one with the "Perfect 10 " is memorable.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking flicks ….saw a great one the other night called Harry Brown .
Michael Cain was fantastic as said Harry Brown .
Think Gran Torino with a big set of balls and a huge set of teeth .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOSfHFNlcI
Well worth a watch .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
It was cracking
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was Mightily Impressed With Pac .
Good Morning – evening fellow fight fans . Congrats to Ted on the call and congrats to me LOL Pretty easy pick that one . No slow footed shell fighter with an average right hand is going to beat a fast footed southpaw human buzzsaw like Manny . Sounds like Lampley had too much punch before the fight again , he must be taking over from Old Larry as HBOs resident pisshead ;-) We got Rich Marotta and that kid off " Head Of the Class " doing the commentary here in Oz . Im starting to reckon Pac can beat Floyd myself . His speed of foot in and out combined with his power , activity , southpaw style and ability to throw unusual multi punch combos are almost a blueprint for the type of swarmer that can really trouble a backfoot defensive fighter like Mayweather . That was a perfect tune up fight for Manny who has now accomplished more at 147 than Mayweather I’d rate Cotto and Clottey above Baldomir and Judah any day as a welterweight .On certain sites Floyds insane fans are calling that fight a fix and a joke while they were happy for Floyd to beat up a 36 year old natural lightweight in Marquez and cheat at the weigh in . Summarising I really enjoyed the fight and was mightily impressed with the way Pac methodically outboxed a bigger bloke .Most disciplined fight I’ve seen from him . Cheers Blokes!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
On certain sites Floyds insane fans are calling that fight a fix and a joke while they were happy for Floyd to beat up a 36 year old natural lightweight in Marquez and cheat at the weigh in
Some people are crazy. Fan, from fanatic, does imply irrationality after all.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 14, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just another reason this site is Nirvana for a crabby old bustard like myself , just hard facts and opinions from blokes that really love the sport , not certain individual fighters .No petty name calling exchanges either . Gotta love that .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Yeah, wonder what sites those might be.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
OK, now I’m going to look back at my prediction for last night’s Pacquiao-Clottey fight, and examine how it turned out in the end.
Clottey is so fucked.
Check.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Yes, Sad but true, except he is now very wealthy,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Pac is quickly becoming everything PBF is not. Talk about a contrast in charisma.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Talk about contrast in EVERYTHING .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sir Jacks on it as usual
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
That's a rec.
Every sport needs its heroes and its villains. It’s just that generally speaking, the people filling those roles are just actors pretending. In this particular instance, like some of the better rivalries in boxing, it’s a genuine display of their character.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Yep. That is true
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
More of you awesome boxing fans who came over from whatever site Ted was at should consider joining us in the live threads for the fights. In my opinion, that’s where the most excitement and fun is at here at Bad Left Hook. Let’s break some records for posts in the threads.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I will Matt . Let’s hope some of the awesome ones you speak of come too !Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, A whole bucnh of lads from the UK and OZ have come on as well as from the U.S. I am working on another big bunch as soon as I get the time. Great to have thenm blend with the old time BLH posters. Mkaes for a great site IMO. Minimal flaming and much respect.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never stayed up to watch big US fights before
But I fully intend to do so from now on as I found it wasn’t as difficult as I thought it would be.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO Matt I love the little Filipino , shit he’s the happy warrior incarnate and you have to admire his love of the game . The improvement in his combination punching over the last few years has been quite amazing . I spose it must be the roids LMAO
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Pacquiao is world class special as both an athlete and from all appearances also as a human being.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Meth =
combination punching.
Steroids are for the Clottey-pushing strength.
by Don From Prov on Mar 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and old wanks
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I really find it hilarious that in sports where steroids would have almost zero
impact on in-ring/on-field performance, you often hear the loudest whining about steroids.
Guys like Barry Bonds don’t start running eye ratios of 3:1 because of steroids, they do it because of their reflexes and in-game focus. Guys like Pacquiao don’t succeed because of steroids, they succeed because of a unique physical toolbox and spectacular in-game strategy.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Totally agree.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
But I stay clear of any discussion on enhancements, juicing, roids, etc.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there have been so few places where it doesn't
deteriorate almost immediately into flaming and name-calling. I should probably stop below.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 16, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow..
You are absolutely right!! The ability to workout longer, recover faster, and increase endurance would have no effect on an athletes performance. Yup. None.
He mentioned steroids
Not EPO, which is what you’re talking about. Totally different drug.
by kingsfan300 on Mar 15, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he's implying that PEDs won't help boxers
which is an old and asinine argument. Why?
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Of course its asinine
However I think misterjonez was trying to say the guys who are special in their respective sports do not require the use of steroids; it’s always been the issue of Pacquiao being on steroids because of the events of his recent bouts , not EPO.
With that said, horrible comparison by misterjonez with Pacquiao and Bonds, as the former hasn’t even tested positive for anything while the latter has. And yes, I agree that PED’s would have an effect on athletic performance.
Haha, and here we go.
Argh. I honestly don’t know where they are, but I’ve posted reams and reams on the subject of PED’s, which ones do and don’t affect on-field performance. Of course steroids assist in muscle strain recovery, nobody who has gone through Anatomy & Physiology would disagree.
The point was that steroids don’t ELEVATE performance arcs in any way/shape/form. In fact every study I’VE seen suggests that for anything outside of weight-lifting, they actually decrease athletic performance because they muscle is generally added too quickly to be incorporated by the rest of the body seemlessly.
As for Bonds testing positive, it honestly doesn’t matter to my point. Utterly irrelevant. What I said is that steroids wouldn’t (and DIDN’T) have an effect on the man’s abilities on-field. The only argument (if he did use them) that is valid is that he was able to stay healthier for longer because of steroids. Conceded before you pop your knuckles.
Greenies are proven to be big-time athletic enhancers, because they seriously focus the entire brain on reacting to the task at hand, which for boxers or baseball players is huge. Epo would also help a boxer for his endurance, but any form of blood doping (including auto-transfusion of previously stored blood products) accomplishes the same (then again, so does training at high altitude prior to a sea-level fight…).
Steroids are STILL vastly misunderstood by the masses, and this misunderstanding causes a lot of errors in judgment and perception. If someone made the argument (more eloquently than Floyd Sr.) that Manny was using some form of amphetamine, they would at least be fitting the accusation to the results. Tirelessness and improved reaction times/speed are hallmarks of that family of drugs. Not steroids. Same for Bonds.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
recovery intimately effects performance, injury prevention intimately effects performance.
And any high level pro athlete that is doping, in whatever manner, isn’t doing it based on their own knowledge (see Victor Conte). So who really cares which drug their taking?
The bottom line fundamental issue here is that boxing’s drug testing is laughable and I’d be willing to bet my right hand that more people than Shane Mosley and James Toney have been cheating for years.
So whether it’s steroids, EPO, the clean, the clear, HGH, cycling ephedrine, whatever, PEDs will help boxers and we, as a sport, are NOT determining whose cheating and who isn’t.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Terrible logic
Your generalizing here. Performance Enhancing Drugs can have an impact on ANY sport. You’re limiting the conversation to anabolic steroids, which is frankly very ignorant on your part.
There are many drugs that don’t add weight or bulk but improve per pound cardio, recovery and explosiveness. There are entire classes of drugs that raise the ceiling on the ability of the human heart to pump blood. Tennis and cycling are two sports that are well aware of what EPO and human growth hormone can do, apart from adding muscle.
We need to get educated. It is amazing to me that we still have a whole group of people who say “steroids won’t do anything for a boxer”. Even if anabolic steroids don’t, and I’m not saying that’s true, your missing the elephant in the room in the form of a laundry list of other drugs.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
My only point is to stop discussing 'steroids'
as the primary culprit. It’s factually inaccurate. OR re-frame the issue to recovery times, if people insist on talking about steroids.
PED’s will, naturally, enhance performance. But the enhancement a weight-lifter, baseball player or boxer require to improve their individual athletic gifts in a beneficial manner relative to the sport they compete in needs are different animals.
PED’s are good to talk about. Steroids get overblown, and have been for decades now. We really can stop the disinformation on places like this.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Here's My Thing
If I’m Floyd, I wouldn’t back off my drug testing mandate. I mean the real drug testing, blood drawn 48 hrs and one second before the fight and 5 minutes after.
I want to see some pics of Manny’s skull from 8-10 years ago and now. Somebody should post that. Is there a difference?
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
that sounds like I’m sure he’s doping, which I’m not.
But in 2010, in my mind every high level pro athlete comes with a presumption of illegal PED use. Floyd’s willingness and insistence for legit testing actually makes me appreciate him in this regard.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Weird, got screwed up last time.
Ultimately, my main gripe with the whole fiasco is in two parts:
1. I’m probably a cynic, but I don’t think I’m out of line with mainstream America when I say that I personally believe EVERY SINGLE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE utilizes things which are considered out-of-bounds performance enhancers. It’s part of the game, like it or not. I think Pacquiao absolutely does do things which aren’t legal, just like Mayweather and Mosley and everybody else (Mayweather’s had the whole lidocaine-injected-into-the-hands cloud hanging over his head for a little while). I mean come on, look back at guys like Hearns and try to tell me he wasn’t using no-no’s to maintain that fighting physique (and I don’t hold it against HIM either). So to me, the accusation just rings so incredibly false that I don’t care about the person who brings it up. If anything, it lowers that person in my eyes.
2. Including this particular issue into contract negotiations (exactly what happened) essentially negates the role of the AC’s in the fight game. In my mind, the AC’s should be the ones to regulate many of the components of pro fights. If it’s not a third-party, then all high-level negotiations will include things like this. Allow it to be a standardized package of testing which the AC’s will conduct, impartially, and have the fighters agree on which pre-determined package of testing is applicable for certain fights. Just remove the possibility of politicizing something which has no business stopping, or even delaying big-time fights.
But that’s just me. Not spoken as a greedy boxing fan (I’m more of an MMA guy anyways), but spoken as a guy who likes the field level, period. I honestly don’t care what the rules are as much as I care that they’re non-negotiable. Mayweather crossed that line, and Pacquiao also crossed it (by nowhere near as much) with the weight penalty clause. The difference being, there’s hard evidence to support one concern, and nothing to support the other.
If Mayweather really cared about elevating the testing protocols for boxing, he’d have been on this horse vociferously for many years now. I don’t believe that he has been.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
4th paragraph should read:
“…spoken as a guy who likes the field to be level.”
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Ridiculous
when a commission is doing a shit job or no job, should an athlete just shirk protecting himself? And they should do that based on some weird principle that “AC’s should be the ones to regulate many of the components of pro fights”? Totally ridiculous.
If Floyd wants to protect himself at a higher level than the same body who probably let Antonio Margarito cast his hands and bash people’s brains, I refuse to lampoon him for it.
Lets be clear here -
1. you’re advocating reliance on a state agency
2. The state agency you want to rely on is a boxing/athletic commission
If Floyd Mayweather didn’t ask for and require additional safeguards, through contract negotiations, I’d say he’s recklessly endangering himself.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Reductio ad absurdum.
Trying not to paint you into a corner you may not want to occupy, it seems to me that if you took this line of reasoning to it’s extreme, then there would be no place for an objective third-party to supply the rules of engagement. Indeed, if you take this type of reasoning to the extreme, it results in anarchy and rather immediate breakdown at all levels.
For my own part, I’ve seen the damage that fighters and promoters have done to the sport by continually fracturing the rules and regulations for self-interest or poor political gambits like the one (I think) we’re talking about.
I stand squarely opposed to NFL players being allowed to dictate (or even participate, outside of CBA negotiations done every handful of years) different rules of engagement for individual games. Same goes for every other pro sport out there.
The fighters/athletes should be required to stick to the established rules, and if there’s a failing in those rules, then it should be corrected at the top level. You can’t let the fighters and promoters essentially set their own rules, or you’ll see a continued fracturing of boxing and breakdown of the sport at the mid- and upper-levels.
This is one area that Dana White has definitively established the current Gold Standard for fight regulations and rules application, and like it or not it’s a huge part of why MMA continues to grow and boxing has failed to follow suit over the same period.
And as to recklessly endangering himself, I guess I disagree. The entire concept of boxing is to participate in an inherently dangerous activity for a living. You start talking in single digit percentage increases in danger after you’ve established that the goal of the bout is to render another person unconscious via repeated blows to the head. Is it more dangerous to fight someone using PED’s than someone with equal skill who isn’t using them? Probably. Is it a big difference? Absolutely not.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Your perspective is untenable
it seems to me that if you took this line of reasoning to it’s extreme
We don’t need to take this to the extreme. We’re talking about professional boxing at the highest level. We’re talking about fighters that have the financial ability to have their own agents and lawyers write their contracts, enter negotiations, and pay for the testing.
We are experts at drawing lines, we say you can carry a gun over here and not over here, you can drive 70 on the free-way but not near a school, etc. The slippery slope ain’t that slippery, if you got the dough, you can do it.
You can’t let the fighters and promoters essentially set their own rules, or you’ll see a continued fracturing of boxing and breakdown of the sport at the mid- and upper-levels.
No you won’t because true testing is cost prohibitive at the low and mid-tier levels, and that’s ok because so is effective doping. Go to an amateur Golden Gloves or Silver Gloves tournament. There is less oversight there than in any sport that I’ve ever witnessed. But there’s probably very little doping too, because those involved are generally lower income folks. When we reach the Olympic amateur level, we have Olympic level testing, which puts the pro level (which uses lighter gloves, no head-gear, pro-style power punching and longer rounds and fights) testing to absolute shame. In fact, every pro sport I know puts pro boxing’s drug testing to shame.
The upper-level can pay for this testing until the commissions see the error of their ways and get in line with the rest of pro sports. Until then, let the fighters assure their own safety.
You start talking in single digit percentage increases in danger after you’ve established that the goal of the bout is to render another person unconscious via repeated blows to the head
Maybe you didn’t hear about this story or see this picture:
http://www.assaultinthering.com/Photos/BillyCollinsJr.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Collins_(boxer)
Antonio Margarito is currently serving an indefinite suspension for (at the very minimum) attempting the same action. This is a systemic problem with the athletic commissions, they don’t learn, they’re as cheap as they possibly can be. They are financially motivated towards less oversight, not more. The lack of drug testing is a sympton of a greater affliction – greed.
You’re asking the athletes who take the biggest risks with their bodies of any sport to take the brunt of the consequences for the acknowledged mediocrity of the agency charged with protecting them.
Is it a big difference? Absolutely not.
…Says the guy who wants to prohibit a man who puts his life on the line from contracting for a higher level of efficacy.
We let people contract out of negligence liability, but you’re advocating we prohibit them from an assurance of equality based on some weird policy grounds of ‘it should start at the top’. Easy for you to say.
Essentially, you’re arguing ‘wait, the commission will solve the problem through their own methods and at their own pace’. But maybe not:
“time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively…Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men (willing to be co-corkers with God), and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right.” – MLK
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
This is the last post I'll make in this subthread.
Just because I think we’re moving past the point of reasonable idea exchange and into murkier waters. But I’ll say a few things before zipping it on the subject:
1. I wasn’t even implying that this was a slippery slope situation; we’ve already gone well past the point of no return in boxing for uniform regulation. My point was more to illustrate what got us here, rather than where we’re going if we choose the left/right path.
2. I don’t have first-hand knowledge of boxing’s testing systems from the ground (gyms and smokers) up to the top (Mayweather/Pacquiao negotation fiasco), so you may have a more intimate perspective than I do. What I DO know is that in this particular instance, for whatEVER reason, the system used in every single high-level fight in recent history was tossed aside for political reasons. Speculating on the nature of those reasons doesn’t particularly interest me (Floyd ducking Pacquiao, Pacquiao instigating the spat with overweight penalties, Floyd genuinely wanting to reform the testing system to ensure safer careers, etc..), but what does interest me is that a fight which absolutely should have happened was at the least delayed, and quite possibly canceled because of politics. The mechanism shouldn’t exist that allows fighters to do this, in my opinion. Floyd can refuse to fight Manny, Manny can refuse to fight Floyd, that is just fine with pretty much everyone. There will be grousing and name-calling, but ultimately people will move on and boxing won’t be hurt.
3. I think you were making a point about greed being the root of all evil, and I’ll probably just cede that particular point, since it’s one I’ve contemplated pretty heavily myself and don’t have a strong opinion otherwise. But my response is: so what? I’m not in favor of forcing people to participate in activities with which they disagree, but I do expect people to follow the rules. If the rules system is no good, then fix it. If you’re the only one complaining about it, then maybe it’s not the rules that have the problem. To me the fracture here isn’t on Manny’s side, it’s on Floyd’s. He broke protocol on what I believe should be off-limits to fighters in the first place.
3b: Steroids/PED’s/vaseline use/abuse should never be compared to taking a rock into a sanctioned gloved fist-fight. In my opinion that’s a really bad comparison, but you’re not the first person to make it for whatever that’s worth. However, If you care to peruse my previous comments you’ll find that I was pretty loudly against Margarito when that whole thing came down.
4. I agree with you that it takes conscious, concerted effort to affect change. Nothing changes on its own, except for the worse. I’m absolutely not arguing to just wait around for it to change itself. I’m saying, quite clearly above:
If Mayweather really cared about elevating the testing protocols for boxing, he’d have been on this horse vociferously for many years now. I don’t believe that he has been.
Prove (or even strongly present) otherwise to me and it changes my perspective on his motives, but not on the politicizing of an issue which, again, I think should be out of the fighter’s hands. If there’s an athletic commission out there that administers Olympic Style testing, then Floyd should insist that all of his fights be held there. If there’s not, then this should have been a big-time issue for Mayweather for the majority of his stardom. Again, I don’t see that as the case, which makes me think it’s just politics.
You get the last word.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Bang, Bang, Bang.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, I feel thoroughly chastized.
Being Lampley’ed probably can’t be construed as a good thing.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Skull size changes with PED usage? Take it easy on those drugs buddy ^^
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
That’s some serious stuff.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 16, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I need a laptop
Cheers Matt , I just need a liquid proof laptop for posting from a pub full of half pissed Aussie and Pinoy fight fans .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
It is a little hard when you see fights at a club.
There’s a place in Park Slope, Brooklyn where I like to go for fights sometimes. It’s a great fight environment, but I miss my friends here at BLH.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I’m not touching that line……
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Over n Out
Take it easy blokes this old miscreant better get to work Im an hour late lmao Mondays yanno ……..
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Discerning
eyes knew it was the “Duvall” factor.
Once he showed up it was all over.
Absolutley. Poor Josh was siffed as soon as ole Bob made his appearnce, but to seal the deal, Jerry Johnson (with hair quaffed as usual) made certain this one was a done deal for the poor Ghanian.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
Sir Jack,
did you know that Jerry Jone’s little lap-boy Jimmy Johnson, he also of the coiffed hair, used to shoot spit balls at Janis Joplin down there in Texass where they went to HS together?
Do you care?
Clottey had his own little ball and chain to deal with last night,though.
Let’s keep an eye on these Manny-can-beat-Floyd, Jimmy come lately types.
What about when the moment comes? What’ll they say then?
Prov – no I don’t care . Although I don’t really understand either .
What’s a "spit ball " ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ was pretty ugly back in High School. Hell, she would make a train go down a dirt road. She was spitballable.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Piece
of paper chewed and rendered unsavory, then shot at the heads of unattractive girls or wimpy boys, in fiction by Huck Finn types, in real life by morons like JJ who grow up to be older morons.
Very 4th grade kind of thing. For some reason remember reading or hearing that about Johnson.
Myself, I like Janis Joplin, ugly or not, a lot better.
by Don From Prov on Mar 14, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I new a few guys who are spitballable and you know who they are as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh " Spitball" – all becomes clear – nice one
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 14, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
But spitballing
old crank would be like pushing a wheelchair bound 80-year old down a stairway. …
Only, it isn’t. Not really. Okay, there is ONE spitballable person out there.
But it wasn’t Janis Joplin. Someone should have popped Johnson in the mouth.
Good morning to you Sir Jack. That smiling, whacking MP should be knighted, no?
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Like my oldcollege brother (before my time) Richard Widmark did in that movie. Yeah, that was cool.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Prov – indeed .
I shall ring the Queen when my flu has gone and suggest an immediate invitation to become British and a knighthood to boot for the young Pacman .
I can picture him being right at home in say …..Cardiff .
I have a seat next to me in the House of Lords waiting for him .
Arise Sir Manny !
Nice one
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 15, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny Pac
A great performance by Manny , but a bad tactical fight by Clottey. There’s just the unfinished business with Mayweather & then I think Manny hang up the gloves. He’s proved he’s the best fighter P4P today by a mile.
Cheers Ted !
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Mar 14, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
Cheers, Vlad
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’’ve been on a good streak of late — close to 90% correct rate. My most recent /predictions calls are as follows
:1) Juanma stops Luevano: Juanma stopped Luevano
2) Sam Sexton stops Danny Williams: Did not fight
3) Art Hovhannesyan stops Freddie Norwood: Did not fight
4) Yuriorkis Gamboa over Rogers Mtagwa: Gamboa won
5) Donnie Nietes will stop Ivan Meneses: Did not fight
6) Peter Manfredo Jr. over Matt Vanda: Manfredo won
7) Edwin Valero stops Antonio DeMarco: Valero stopped DeMarco
8) Arthur Abraham over Andre Dirrell
9) Carl Froch over Mikkel Kessler
10) Devon Alexander over Juan Urango. Alexander won
Additional Predictions:
1) Chris Arreola over Tomasz Adamek
2) David Haye over John Ruiz
3) Chad Dawson over Jean Pascal
4) Steve Molitor over Takalani Ndlovu
5) Kelly Pavlik over Sergio Martinez
6) Koki Kameda over Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
7) Gomez over Castillo-Bingo
8) Pac over Clottey – Bingo
Record to date: 7-0.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
From the comments I’m reading on various boxing sites, the live fight was different from the TV fight. No question Clottey spent the 12 rounds in a defensive shell, but there WERE times when he exchanged with Pacman, and that’s when a real fight broke out. Look at post fight photos of Pacman….he was busted up pretty good. How did he get that way? Well, because Clottey punched him numerous times in the face. The impression we all were getting was that Clottey was WAY stronger than Pacman, and they he could KO Pac with any punch. There was a lot of tension among Pac tards. But the posts I read it seems like it was a day in the park for Pacman…and it wasn’t.
he impression we all were getting was that Clottey was WAY stronger than Pacman, and they he could KO Pac with any punch.
That impression proved pretty off though, wouldn’t you agree? And I certainly don’t think Manny looked “busted up.” He had a little swelling by one eye. People who are busted up don’t go to a party and sing cheesy pop songs in full party mode.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Yes, but what about the scoring?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info, Frank
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
pacman’s face was busted up because of headbutts wasnt it?
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 14, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt, I don’t agree with only a little swelling. Take a look at this video:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/columns/story?columnist=watkins_calvin&id=4993939
He does look a little worse there than he did immediately after the fight.
Still wouldn’t call it busted up though, imho.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I still thought it was a little worrying
He didn’t get hit much, and Clottey isn’t that powerful, yet he was quite badly swollen. Perhaps it was mostly from the head clashes but I am beginning to wonder if Pac’s features are as durable as they used to be.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
IF Manny
fights Floyd, I’d be willing to bet that Floyd would cut him, guff him up a bit.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You are on!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And unlike someone else we both know, I pay my bets.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say
Floyd would win, I’ve long harbored the idea that Manny would.
What I do think is that Manny is susceptible to being cut and guffed.
I imagine Floyd has a very good chance to cut and guff him (so to speak).
You’re on: Name the bet.
(Which with us = name the eating spot [near me of course as I don’t travel well!])
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No shite
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted.. FFS!!
These predictions of yours…. Well, it’s hardly worth us watching the fights, is it mate?!
by Phill on Mar 14, 2010 7:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Next will be abreakdown of PBF and SSM. Working on it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
you got more than a month to do that, mr. sares. just relax fo now :p
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 14, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, AXE. Tomorrow I go to Boston for my monthly boxing luncheon with all the old time boxers from the area. Some are fairly young. It’s a great thing. Many of the blokes are members oif Ring 4 Boston International Veterans boxers (I’m a member).
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If "Packy-Clottey" was a let-down.....?
Then how do you all feel “Klit-Chambs” will transpire on Internet PPV for 15 USA smackers??? That’s gotta be a snoozer / tactical affair…… WORD!
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
I would not really call Pac-Clottey a letdown. Pac was just too good for him.
But I think you are right about the Klit deal. Has the potential for a zzzzzzzzzzzzz
But I still have a funny feeling about this one. Eddie has the weapons to win.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I do too,
I am going to get it on the net if I am home.I think Chambers has a small chance to pull off the SD. He has good hand speed and if he comes in ready to fight. I think he can dodge and time the WK jab and really give him some trouble. He just cant get scared and start running and not throwing punches.
I stil can’t understand why ESPN or Showtime cant pick this fight up for some small fee. But to be honest the brothers have been so much better than everyone else in there last few fights, and they don’t have a real crowd pleasing style… There fights have become hard to market in the US. Looks like we are in the Larry Holmes era of heavy weights.
Personally I think Chambers will get slaughtered
But it will be interesting to see what he can do.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you be more direct?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Emm
I don’t think he is tall enough, or aggressive enough, to really utilise that speed. I also don’t see him being able to handle the pressure of fighting a Klitschko very well.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 17, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I also see anexplsovive volley ended by a sharp left hook that stuns gthe Giant and allows Eddie to do some damage. KAind of like he did to Ivan Drago,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, I’m listening to the great jazz organist Jimmy Smith doing “Back at the Chicken Shack.” I like to listen to cool jazz while I work on my book. I can lose myself.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 14, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
I’m up at 4am taking more medication .
I think I have that swine flu shite .
Quacks 2mrw for a proper diagnosis and some tami flu I hope .
Bad news whatever I’ve got .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 15, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
My girlfriend and I had Dengue Fever a coupla months ago.
Systemic viral infections suck. Hoping you get better.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Not to make a disrespectful
segue, misterjonez, but Jimmie Vaughn does a nasty version of song of same name
—Dengue Fever is on the Dusk ’till Dawn soundtrack.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I love that movie
but don’t have the ST. And there’s nothing disrespectful about it, I survived! And if I hadn’t, then I guess I wouldn’t be in much of a position to complain about theoretical lines to cross/not cross.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Yes, interseting flicl. I like Selma!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That movie had the absolute best
mid-story gear change I’ve ever seen. Up until immediately after Selma doing her sexy thing, it was a genuinely good bad-guys-on-the-run-from-the-law flick, which shifted gears so quickly and seemlessly that you almost felt whiplash.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 16, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And during her prime,
Selma was one of the hottest women on the planet. They don’t make many like her. Even now she’s a hottie.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 16, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed she is, especially with her snakes
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Had you
gotten the swine flu shot, Sir Jack?
Nasty business, the flu.
Hang in there!
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
No jab Prov – don’t like needles !
Arrrrchewwwww .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
Sir Jack, you surely won’t get the opportunity to make millions against Floyd, then.
I do hope you feel better. Fever, all that = misery in my book.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy Smith was one of the greatest of all time.
The Sermon is a classic album. I love me some Jimmy Smith.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Saw Mr. Smith, at the Jazz Workshop,
almost get his face slapped by a woman he assumed would be thrilled by his charms.
Never assume. The man can play.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
His “Honey Dripper” is very good.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He
certainly seemed to be of that opinion.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
having to watch someone as great as pacman struggle to make a fight b/c the other guy just won’t participate….is just squandered greatness. this is the problem with boxing. we had to watch this fight last night….just proof that any sport where the 2 best can fight and do not……has some things to sort out.
we all watched a fight last night that was terrible. mediocre. why the **** is anyone even saying anything about that dreadful fight. It was just watching Pacman get hit with a few uppercuts in the midst of 1200 punches.
Charging that much for a PPV for that……what a joke. say what you want about MMA but that fight WOULD NEVER headline a PPV costing that much in A RECESSION. anyone who bought that full price is a sucker. you’re not supporting the sport, just lining the pockets of hypemen, promoters, and HBO. what a joke.
bum of the month style is all that was. call it a hangover afterwards, but as i wrap my brain around seeing that fight….and how much they charged for it….what a joke.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 15, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah my tickets cost $500
and I was pissed, still am. Clottey made me really angry last night. I just can’t believe he wouldn’t fight. I mean he was holding, literally holding, in rounds 10, 11, and 12, when he KNEW he was getting blown out, when he KNEW his only chance was a KO.
This was his title shot, his opportunity to define his career. Even if he would’ve gotten KO’d he coulda done himself good financially and historically. The reception Cotto got was deafening in that place. But no, Clottey did the Jimmy Young and survived. And I’m filled with disgust for him because of it.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
$500 – each – (x2). And if they do Money v. Pac at the Death Star, I’ll be there and pay twice that.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Hell I might be there all the way from Scotland for that fight!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What part of Scotland. I once lived in Glasgow (in the ’70s)
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Edinburgh
But my Mum’s family is from Glasgow so I have spent a lot of time there. Did you like it? (Don’t worry about saying no!)
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 17, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I did, but I like Edinburgh better
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted,
I will be refinancing my house in preparation for your next big fight analysis. You’ve proven to be the premier pugilistic prognosticator, and I am ready to ‘bet the house’ on the next go round.
Can we share
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted has some stiff competition in the fight prediction category from Jrok, if he ever comes back. We used to run our own predictions game here at BLH, and I was tied with Jrok for months before he went on an epic “always right” streak and pulled away from me.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Jrok,
who also posted under a different name on another site, knows his shit!!
He is a smart man.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He was JK and we need him here. The man knew his stuff.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Jrok roked. Where is he? He is the reason I switched to BLH.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be a surprise
He just seemed to post a lot less for a while and then disappear. I suppose people often follow sports in spurts so that could be it.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he was not. We watched a fight together once with his lovely girlfriend at my place along with Brick.
He’s just busy with work.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
jrok would have to furiously insult my kin to get banned
So no.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 15, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's just busy with work
But it would be nice to see him back around.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I am going to send him an email.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good God, let’s hope not. The Rock was one smart poster.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ted, you were right and I was wrong. Turns out you were giving Clottey too much credit! What a pitiful performance.
I never gloat. Humilty comes with age.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather and Pac
Ted, Clottey’s effective but infrequently landed right hands on Manny Pacquiao portends even more opportunities to do the same for Floyd Mayweather. Those right hands coupled with incredible speed, movement and a remarkable defensive prowess, will spell victory for Floyd Mayweather if he and Manny Pacquiao ever settle their silly differences and treat us all to a fight for the ages in the ring. Just my opinion.
Dan Adams
Correcto friendo
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What happened to Pacmans body size?
Hopefully some people took notice to the difference in the body size that PacMan was in this fight and before in the Cotto fight. Hmmmm… Interesting! What happened, I’m just saying.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
Say more Haans
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What
do you mean by “body size” Mr. Bishop?
Compare
Look how Manny looked in this fight and then look at his body when he fought Cotto. In the Clottey fight he appeared to look dehydrated and not as bulky as he did in the Cotto fight.
If you always thought what you thought, then you wouldn't think what you knew.
by Haans Bishop on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he looked about the same
I think he still came around the same weight he always does, didn’t he?
Yeah
He just wasn’t as “ripped”. A few people said that this was probably more to do with increased comfort at the weight and lack of flattering lighting than anything else which sounds logical to me.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems to have an issue with putting on weight. Damn , I wish I had that issue. But he did look a tad less ripped to me. Clottey appears to have no body fat but he also appears to lose a lot of fluid by sweating profusly.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
He was sweating buckets out there, surprising seeing as he barely did anything but stand around!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 17, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
After seeing the fight live, I have to say that I believe either Mayweather or Mosely will have they way with Pacman. They are too big for him, I think. Pac was hit maybe only 20 times all night but ended up bruised, so maybe real welterweights are too big and strong for him. They would be totally different fights, but even Mayweather’s safety first style would be more aggressive than Joshua Clottey.
The thing is
neither one of those guys, Mosley and Floyd, are true welters either.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I feel that Mosley, by this point,
is a true welter, I mean he’s been at Jr. Middleweight and back down.
And he sure hits like a full-fledged welterweight.
I also think Floyd is, and has been for a while, a welter—albeit not a big one.
by Don From Prov on Mar 15, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Mosley's not a true welterweight?
He’s been fighting there for 11 years and the only guys to beat him at the weight are Cotto and Vernon Forrest. Mosley’s 5’9" with a 74" reach and carries the weight very well. He’s been at welterweight twice as long as he was at lightweight.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by SC on Mar 15, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But how many of those bruies were caused by Clottey head butts?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I suspect that most of them were
Based on Pac’s features holding up relatively well against Cotto.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I just missed them
But I was looking for the headbutt, and I didn’t see any.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maybe 2 or 3 clashes
Not intentional IMO, but fairly hefty all the same.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 15, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They touched gloves a lot. That mmade me wonder a bit, but I didn;t see any either,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw the one crystal clear one early on, 1st or 2nd round?
Other than that, it looked like a bunch of brushes without much in the way of damage potential.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
lOTS OF UPPERCUTS LANDED ON mANNY, THOUGH THEY DIDN’T SEEM TO HURT HIM. bUT THEY SNALPPED HIS NECK BACK. OUCH!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, absolutely Manny got popped a whole lot in that fight.
I was just talking about the headbutts.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 16, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacquiao's definitely having more issues with swelling in recent fights
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yes
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Go ahead, rub it in.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
IU’m off to Boston and will resume drinking the Pac Man Kool Aid on my lap top upon arrival.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, I think Manny IS that good. Does he have Floyd ‘style’ skills? NO, does he need them? apparently not. Awesome Fighter. End of. I still think Manny is more slugger than technical fighter. While i settled on a Clottey victory late in the day as my prediction, i had initially gone for a Pacquiao UD which was the obvious choice.
question
Ted,
How do youu see the nightmare vs. the Pole?
A nightmare for the Pole.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He will wear the smaller man down and then take himm out in the 6th or 7th round.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From zhenyuli via email from China
Thanks Ted！
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发件人
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
Look, I just went over 2,000 posts. What do I get?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 16, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
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by Drunken cutman on Mar 17, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to avoid any discussion on doping, Bill, unless there is probative and documented and uncontriverted evidence that points to wrong doing. Otherwise, suspicion leads to rumor and those who like to lable someone a “juicer” will continue to say they suspect until people start to wonder about it. It’s an old technique used by bad [eople for centuries. Bottom line, show me the proof, evidence and facts first, and then I’ll comment. Hope you don’t think I am being evasisve here, but I have always tried to respect those who entertian us in the ring. Sounds corny, but I have been diligent about it.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
finding this site was like
finding a diamond in a pile of green vegetable-colored doo doo. thank you all for being frakkin hilarious knowledgeable level-headed guys who clearly know your stuff. I’d like to say hi to all of you from Arizona where I go to school learning about life, society, and the many gorgeous women who go to U of A (sorry to brag blokes, hottest school in america for sure).
ANYWAYS. I recently got into boxing and man, it seriously depressed me looking through boxing sites and trying to find educated opinions. I’m tired of seeing the word pactard and gheyweather jesus I left grade school years ago but some people never left apparently!
I’m sick of dumb celebrity-stricken “boxing fans” (mostly uneducated twats who can barely articulate a 5 word sentence and i don’t know if its cuz they’re all pinoys, no offense) whine and moan about how their favorite fighter is being maligned and not being seen as GOD.
These men are making loads more money than we’ll ever see, so why the fraaack should anyone get so upset over the recent controversies? They aren’t. Pacman and Money um, they have loads of money and families and their businesses and futures to worry about.
May 1st is gonna be great, I can’t wait to get back to this site the day after THAT fight. It will blow Pacquiao/Clottey out of the water. I’m sorry to offend anyone but it will blow any Pacquiao fight ever, any Mayweather fight ever, any Mosley fight ever out of the room into space because these two men want to CRUSH each other. And have the skills to do it. And both men make me quiver like an infatuated school girl every time I watch them fight. So what if Shane has losses and Money runs a bit too much? They know how to break the man across from them down.
And if either of them face Pacquiao I would bet my money on Sugar/Money—too experienced, too smart, too tough, and much better ring generalship. Money in particular I strongly believe will not even let Pacman throw anywhere near a thousand punches. It’s easy to be the most offensive fighter in the world if you’re getting frustrated by the other guy’s inactivity—which is Money’s strategy every fight it seems. Pacman/Mayweather, in my very very humble opinion, might resemble the Money/Emanuel Burton fight—Money’s gonna bleed and get hit, and he’s gonna throw a lot of frakkin punches cuz he has to, Pacquiao’s gonna bleed cuz he charges in like a fearless Viking, it’s just a matter of who gets more beaten up by round 9 or so when someone is gonna drop.
I’m no expert, just a neophyte expressing my appreciation for this site and hoping that someone cares enough to really start a discussion on what Mosley/Money/Pacquiao would look like.
by everynightshouldbefightnight on Mar 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
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