The Scary Clown: Remembering Jorge Paez
Boxing is many things, and a playground for extreme personalities is one of them. While plenty of normal people climb into the profession, it also attracts more than its fair share of attention-seekers, fringe characters and loveable weirdos. Jorge Paez was all of the above.
Paez once wore a dress to a fight. This was in 1992, against Rafael Ruelas, in his adopted hometown of L.A. Imagine showing up for a bout in a black sequin gown, on your home turf. It sounds like the sort of nightmare you might have after snacking on the old pizza your fridge. But for Paez, it was just business as usual.
That's because - as the commentators unfailingly mentioned before, and often during, every fight - Paez was a professional circus clown. A native of Mexicali, Jorge spent a good part his youth working in his grandmother's show, learning how to do the sorts of tumbles, goony dancing and acrobatic backflips that he'd showcase before and after every victory. According to him he never fully left the circus, and would return to clowning for short stretches in between fights. It wasn't hard to imagine, either. He had a wide easy grin, and whenever he flashed it you got the sense the only thing he enjoyed more then hitting people was cracking them up.
But in the ring, at his best, Paez was a sly and vicious court jester, ripping out gut-busting bodywork in between his crouching, bobbing advances and jelly-legged taunts. El Maromero was a fairly limited and inconsistent slugger, but he also had a nerve-jangling ability to turn the tables and a Roman gladiator’s deference to the crowd. You could tell by looking that he loved being in the ring. And in between antics, he could occasionally churn out a sudden, sinister left hook. If he was a linesman for Ma Bell, he would’ve been the weird, unpredictably evil linesmen. And if he was a Notary Public, he’d be the weird, unpredictably evil Notary Public. Jorge Paez was basically the definition of a "scary clown."
On the comeback trail from a hard-fought loss to Sweet Pea Whitaker, Paez wanted to make more than a fashion statement that night in California. In a busy year, Ruelas was the first truly dangerous opponent he'd faced aside from a downsliding De la Rosa. The fight looked like it would be a barnburner from the first bell, with a volley of big exchanges that saw Paez floored by a thunderous hook. Gutsy as always, he rose – in a dress, mind you – to finish the round by throwing and catching a lot of leather.
Paez was roundly outfought, if not outclassed that night. Gabriel’s brother was a very focused and fit guy; if not a born killer then a born wounder-and-bleeder. The gap in preparedness was clear for the majority of the bout, with Ruelas often unloading at will on an increasingly available chin. But early in the fourth round, something interesting happened. Jorge pulled one of those ripping one-two combinations down from orbit and nearly mugged Rafael. In the blink of an eye, the smartass in the dress suddenly looked dressed to kill, vandalizing Ruelas in the corner with heavy lefts and rights. I had Paez under, and I thought I was going to feel smart.
Unfortunately, that didn’t happen. In the middle of his furious assault, Paez accidentally spit out his mouthpiece, providing Rafael a much needed breather. It was the turning point for both guys, and the remainder of the bout was mostly a matter of Ruelas' tenacious combinations gradually overwhelming the clown’s desparate antics. El Maromero was stopped by the referee in the 10th from a very ugly and academic barrage that would’ve popped the balloons of many decent fighters over the years. But he lost bravely, and took the loss well. Despite getting savagely beaten in front of a large crowd of people while wearing a dress, he had his moments. And, at the end of the day, I suppose getting beat up in a dress is preferable to getting beat up by the guy wearing the dress.
Paez would fight for another ten years, losing mostly to good and great fighters over that talent-rich period. He was a hard-slugging showboat, which in the upper tiers of the sport can be a recipe for disaster. But his confidence was outstanding compared to most "normal" people, the role of which is hard to overestimate in Boxing. I’d bet every dollar in the bank that he was un-trainable in some very fatal and very admirable way, and that this factor played just as large a part in his victories as it did in his defeats.
Thinking about him now, I guess it’s possible he was nuts. Jorge’s glory days came before self-promotion was just a Youtube video away, so it’s hard to explain some of the weirder stuff. But I like to think he was a throwback with an eccentric streak. The guy who runs off to join the circus seems to share some old, quixotic DNA with the guy who embarks on a career in professional boxing. As for all of the accessories: the cryptic slogans emblazoned on his trunks, the "Batman" paraphenalia, the crossdressing, the wild hairdos - in almost any other guy this stuff would have seemed like a paint job to market an otherwise boring pug. But Paez had a brave, fan-friendly style. He didn't really need that stuff, even though it's probably the reason he is so memorable. I've never seen him perform as a circus clown, but I think he probably must have been fun to watch there too. Center ring is center ring, after all. Win or lose he was fun to watch, and, like height, that's something you can't ever teach.
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Thanks taco pal
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
welcome back
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Thanks dude
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Thanks
Amazing post. I read somewhere that Paez indeed never trained. He just showed up at the gym to fight.
And remember when he showed up dress like a nun?
I almost missed this one
Yeah I do remember that. It’s hard as hell to find a picture of it for some reason.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
WTF jrok. we thought you had abandoned us?
Why so long away my friend? Don’t tell me you were letting something so insignificant as a job get in the way of posting at BLH.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Well there were all kinds of issues. But I don’t want to start a group therapy session or anything.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
going to see Mosley / Mayweather at Yankee Stadium?
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Brain fart.
That fight is at the Grand obviously. Got this mixed up with Cotto fight for a sec.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
But yeah, I’m gonna go see the Cotto vs. the Hebrew Hammer
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I'll email you about this as it gets closer.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Does that tichbou guy live in New York? This fight seems like it would be right up his alley, and it would be funny to see Stadium security toss him out after he works himself into an uncontrollable kosher frenzy.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I'll organize a BLH meetup in NYC for this fight shortly before tickets are officially released.
tichbou seems like he would be a blast to watch this with. Hope he can make it.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I'll be out of town that weekend, unfortunately
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Can I come?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually there was a guy called the Kosher Hammer who Tim Witherspoon almost killed,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
this guy too
Anders Eklund. tim rearranged the poor mans face with one punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypGM2KkMLl0&feature=related
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-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Brutal
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post as always. This guy is just begging to have a story, novel, or even biography written about him.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
i dont think i’ve seen any of his fights, but i think i’m gonna have to d/l that ruelas fight soon. good stuff!
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Ruelas was also a good guy to watch in generally. The 90’s had a really interesting scene going on in the ranks of the small men.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
ruelas v. frearless freddie pendleton is a good fight. freddy was hosed imo.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddie won that fight, though, didn’t he?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
no ruelas won. thats the fight where he won the ibf belt.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yes, that's right
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Just because you brought up Freddy, I thought I’d throw in this classic slasher flick. I think Roger still has nightmares about this one.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
haha i remember that one.
reminds me of tyson vs frazier the way roger was against the ropes
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Or Mercer – Morrison. Or Cooney – Norton.
Honestly, the referee job was horrible in all three, bordering on a crime. It was obvious that the only thing holding Mayweather up was the ropes, and that he was completely defenseless for the last three or four punches. It was hard to believe that Steele was even trying to finish his count.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
The one and only Tony Perez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
watch in general
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Great stuff here Rock. I’ll be back on after I am through being reamed by the stock market
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
El Maromero went undefeated in his last 18 bouts. I once sae him go after a round girl from his stool. He went after her on his knees and the place went crazy. He had a great sense of theater. He also was a danm good fighter. Thankfully, he was no Captain Spaulding. See my avatar
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he had a great sense of theater, that’s a very good way of putting it, Ted. Some guys would fight in a dress just to seem crazy, but that’s not what he was after at all. All the world was a stage.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I just realized that I saw that movie, Ted. Yes, that was a scary clown as well.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
As was Gacy
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rinald McDonald wasn’t necessarily scary, but I remember for awhile back in the 80’s the were putting these life-sized statues of him outside as an advertisement. Them things were creepy.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
But that Burger King dude is a tad scary…
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
really fun fighter to watch. too bad the last memory i have of him is dlh towering over him in their fight and blowing him away in 2 rounds i think it was.
don’t know if everyone got the old sports channel california, i think it was called that, but they had the old great western forum boxing shows on all the time. there were some really great fights back in those days. paez vs alan makitoki and rolando pascua knocking out chiquita gonzalez come to mind. they had a few ppvs in the 90s as well.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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really fun fighter to watch. too bad the last memory i have of him is dlh towering over him in their fight and blowing him away in 2 rounds i think it was.
Yeah that was a good memory of Oscar and a bad memory of Maromero.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Geez,
what a comeback. First some comments, now a fanpost. Good stuff. Paez was always a show. I didn’t see him fight Ruelas in a dress: Did he actually wear some sort of dress during the fight or just in the ring walk? That isa little scary.
Reminds me, again, of Marlon Brando (as a killer) wearing a dress and bonnet in Missouri Breaks, a western that Jack Nicholson starred in as well.
“’Moked Meat” were Marlon’s in-dress kill lines (as he watched a house full of folks burn).
I wish I could find a picture of it Don. I mean, he was always wearing weird stuff, skirts, etc. I believe he even wore something like a Hawaiian grass skirt over his trunks when he fought Sweet Pea. I swear on my mother’s eyes this was a goddamn dress Maromero was wearing, like a damned sequined cocktail dress! A pretty one, too!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
i cant remember what fight it was but he once made a masturbation gesture towards the other fighter after a round. it was one of his later fights.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I do that to a poster on another thread daily.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ditto
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Another site is what I meant.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You know,
Denis Johnson, a novelist, wrote a non-fiction article about one of those hell-hole civil wars on the African continent, and the rebels who overran a city were in very strange garb, including wedding dresses and high heels. In fact, in Blood Meridian Cormac McCarthy has a great scene with Apaches swooping down on a band of “soldiers,” and the Apaches are wearing everything from conquistador outfits to—again—wedding dresses. There is a theme not-so-hidden-away here of violence and dressing like a woman, but I don’t care to explore it.
Anyway, again—good to see you back—and great to be reminded of Paez.
by Don From Prov on Mar 18, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Psycho and Di Palma’s Dressed to Kill come to mind. Yes there is probably something terrible buried in there somewhere. But I think Jorge just thought it would be hilarious to watch someone fight someone in a dress.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Dennis Rodman headbutting an officilal—it’s a reach but still…….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
McCarthy
That’s a memorable scene indeed in Blood Meridian. There’s an ancient history of course to tribal peoples decking themselves out as strangely as possible to scare or just confuse enemies. And since dress and (and to some extent gender) conventions are arbitrary between cultures, there was little in the way of self consciousness or social mores to hold them back. It made practical tactical sense for the Apaches in Northern Mexico to raid gringo mercenaries in drag. (Yes, I know Blood Meridian is fiction, but Mccarthy is one of the most research-driven novelists out there, and much of the novel is based on fact.)
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Right Matt,
and that particular scene cotnains one of the all-time best sentences without breath since the passing of Faulkner. The novel itself is a little over the top at times, but unrelenting.
It was, I think, his gift to creative writing and other English major grad-students.
Formed a little of cult-of-knowing around it for a number of years.
by Don From Prov on Mar 18, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BM is actually my favorite novel. judge holden has to be the greatest character ever created
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
I have to admit, I often feel illiterate around this crew here. I think I’m more into the pulpy stuff like Elmore Leonard. I watched the first episode of “Justified” last night and almost lost my mind. In the first five minutes I started going apeshit on the wife, trying to explain to her that these hack had completely ripped off the basic plot and characters from “Pronto”, one of Leonard’s best novellas. I was seriously pissed, going off like a lunatic. Then five minutes later I realized it was actually supposed to be a legit spin-off from the book. Nowhere near as good as the book (which was more about a skimming bookie than it was the Kentucky marshall), but it was calming to know that people aren’t just openly stealing shit.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
haha yea. it was in the opening credits too.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 19, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Elmore Leonard’s Hombre and Valdez is Coming were great back in the day.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes both good ones. And LaBrava was pure gold. So was City Primevil. I’m shocked they never made that latter one into a movie, like so much of his stuff. He really knew how to transplant a Western into the present day world without being hackneyed about it. And he wasn’t artsy fartsy about good and evil. He drew a hard fucking line in the mud.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
PrimevAL I mean.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Elmore
Leonard can write the shit out of a book.
Nothing wrong with being a Leonard fan.
by Don From Prov on Mar 19, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
Elmore Leonard’s is just pulpy stuff. I really respect him as a writer.
Yes, he is probably underrated by critics. I didn’t mean it as a put-down. It’s just a lot of the material he deals with (crooks, bookies, detectives, loan sharks, etc) isn’t really deemed worthwhile by the ivory tower crowd. But in my opinion he is very good at quickly fleshing out a believable character. I appreciate the fact that he doesn’t waste time with his exposition or get bogged down in a bunch of metaphors or politics. I think Orwell would have liked his stuff. Orwell obsessed over the way people abused language by adding a lot of unnecessary words.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Actually, I have been reading Leoanard since waaaaay back. But now I am a big fan of Nordic mysteries (Iceland, Sweden, Noway, etc) Man, those people are almost as sick as I am. Of course, anything from Ireland, particularly books by Ken Bruen, works real well for me. The Killing of the Tinkers is a fin, albeit sick, read..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
meh ive only been a “serious reader” for about four years. i still havent read any Dickens yet for example
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 19, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless that's just your thing
If you want to actually like reading, I’d recommend avoiding Victorian writers altogether.
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Man, read, read, read. I try to read two books a week. As many newspapers as I can get free. And Barrons faithfully every Saturday for the past 35 years. I LOVE to read. eVERY NIGHT, ONE HOUR IN BED BEFORE i TURN THE LIGHT OUT. I’m currently working on Wambaugh’s Hollywood Moon.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i love reading, Mr. Sares, but i’m an extremely slow reader and i’m busy doing uni work or other stuff that i enjoy more than reading (brain cell reducing activities like video games, movies, and telev).
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The more you read— the faster a reader you will become.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Judge Holden = an ATG
bad guy (well, he is the devil), and I love the novel.
I really like the other “big” novel, Suttree, that he wrote in that period, too.
BTW, in an earlier book, Child of God, McCarthy has another character, a hill-bred serial killer, Lester Ballard, wear a dress, bonnet, and wig, when he stalks and kills a neighbor. McCarthy felt something about that on a visceral level, I guess. Poor Paez, just having a good time and he starts all this.
by Don From Prov on Mar 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The scene in No Country for Old Men where Tommy Lee Jones is talking to his old man about how things (criminals) are just getting away from him was classic McCarthy — just great stuff. Listening to how that old guy had the accent down and the philosophy and all. Man that was just great stuff to watch.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the coens are master film makers
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 19, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but
I feel like it was maybe their, oh, sixth or seventh best film. Just seemed like an odd time to honor them. I’ve always liked them better for their comedies though.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
i was going to disagree with you, but when i made a list of coen bro movies better than no country (lebowski, fargo, blood simple, o brother, a serious man) three out of the 5 i listed were comedies.
lebowski is my all-time favorite movie btw
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought No Country
was better than all but Fargo and Lebowski, myself.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
the coens are just that great. really you can put no country anywhere among those 6 movies
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
At worst
I’d also have Blood Simple and Raising Arizona ahead.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
raising arizona is pushing it a bit, but yeah blood simple is a brilliant film
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Dude Abides ………………
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
that used to be my sig here :)
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i read CoG, really good novel. it always amazes me how Cormac can write a novel as gross and violent as CoG, yet it still doesnt feel like he’s some sort of “shock” artist like Palahnuik
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 19, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Road was dark….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Blood Meridian
Suttree
The Road
Child of God
yes, but…
The Sound and the Fury
Absalom, Absalom!
Light in August
As I Lay Dying
Faulkner rules.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
cormac rules, faulkner drools
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
My girl is a film historian, and she often use to take me to revivals and whatnot. I remember she was very excited when the Coen’s director’s cut of “Blood Simple” was re-released into the theatres. I had never seen the original, but it was terrific. The really interesting thing was that the director’s cut was something like 9 minutes shorter than the original. Usually it’s the other way around, with the filmakers putting back in a bunch of stuff that they scrapped the first time around (and that usually should’ve stayed scrapped). Those guys are pretty brilliant. And No Country For Old Men was fantastic. Best movie I have seen in a theater since Unforgiven.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I meant to reply to the thing above I guess
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
“Hurt Locker” rules
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Quentin Tarantino does good stuff. And of course, as you can detect, I like Rod Zombie and George Romero.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Cormac
is not in the same weight class. No shame in that.
He has had Faulkner “in mind” when he writes though.
by Don From Prov on Mar 21, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
only faulkner i’ve read is the sound & the fury, but i enjoyed reading cormac the most.
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 21, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Holden = Kurtz in Heart of Darkness.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
There are a lot of characters that have been based on that one
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
...

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
i should read that soon especially since its only like 100 pages
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 20, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd
say that Holden is much more “pure evil.”
And enjoying himself.
by Don From Prov on Mar 21, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the Judge = pure evil
is too glib and simple. And is arguably wrong.
But he ain’t no Kurtz.
by Don From Prov on Mar 21, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
well it is implied that the judge is basically a demon/satan/evil in human form. What i’ve gathered from Apocalypse Now (based on Heart of Darkness which i havent read) is that Turk is just mentally ill
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
meant to kurtz instead of turk lol :/
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, those implications
are places about the Judge, but there are other readings as well.
And Kurtz did come across that way in the movie.
Conrad was going for a lot more than that, but “based on” is key.
by Don From Prov on Mar 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if
I’ll everget a handle on the magic of BLH formatting. Just one post without a crossed out word or an italicized word that didn’t run into its neighbor would make me feel that I was not a mentally challenged poster right about now. Is this what senility looks like?
BLH formatting is hard easy. Just highlight the word you want to format and click “I” for italics, B for bold, the crossed-out S for strike overs, the quote marks for
block quote highlighting,
and the chain to create a link.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
For the specific problem you are talking about, just insert a space outside the formatting tags and before the next (unitalicized) word.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
Also
Don’t put dashes around a word – if you do it that way, it will look like strikethrough. But if you put a space in there between the dash and the word, it’s OK.
Or: Don’t put dashes around a word if you do it that way, it will look like strikethrough.
Or: Don’t put dashes – around a word – if you do it that way, it will look like strikethrough.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Thanks,
so all of that is pretty very easy, though I don’t know what a chain is, and when I hit it a command/question comes up, but
block quote highlightingis one I’ve wondered about.
I forget these thing very quickly, so I do apologize ahead of time.
by Don From Prov on Mar 18, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And YOU are proofreading my book?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’m only proofing it afterI’ve started drinking each morning.
by Don From Prov on Mar 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You again, Good God Don, just do your best.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Back off--
I’m a special needs adult!!
by Don From Prov on Mar 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope,
I just can’t do it.
Oh well. String theory, post modern poetry, and formatting on BLH. The Big Three.
Hit reply under the person you're replying to
A box will appear, and if you post in that instead of the one at the bottom of the page, it will show up as a string. Doesn’t work well for some browsers though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Holy moses, Brick! What the hell is going on in your picture?! Or is it like an inkblot thing to test how demented someone is?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
It's the 2012 London Olympics logo, silly!
It’s just colored in a little differently. Any someone actually paid those guys millions of pounds to develop that POS logo.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Mama Luca. That takes the saying “my kid could draw that” to a whole new level. What the hell were they thinking?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
There's a pretty funny article
A London newspaper had their own artists, a 5 year old, a blind lady and a monkey all draw up logos, and all of them are pretty much better than that one. I’ll see if I can find it…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Here we go
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article232234.ece
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yes, very strange
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Here is some good stuff on he Clown: http://www.google.com/search?q=jorge+paez&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=tNOiS4jdGMX7lwfY_aTxCA&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=10&ved=0CCIQqwQwCQ
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 18, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
You know
It’s been awhile since I saw Whitaker-Paez. Maromero did some decent work in there. Sweet Pea was such a hard cat to move on, but Paez pulled some jelly-legged magic of his own.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
I guess I was wrong about the grass skirt in that fight, but I was pretty close. It was some kind of fringe number.
There are these two classic Paez moments in round two that I was thinking about when I called him unpredictably evil. One is a vicious 3-4 downstairs (with 55 seconds left), and the other is a flash shot to the solar plexus (with 46 seconds left). I was always such a fanatic for body punching and violent surprise attacks, and these were both.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Here is the link to that round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW5GwCgT7CY
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Please note new avatar in honor of
jrok’s return.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
I’m a very scary guy, actually…..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Not as scary as poor Kathleen Turner
Scary, scary broad. Nightmare material.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Body Heat!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Ted’s, these days it is Body Beat. Looks like she lives on sleeping pills and Jack Daniels. She was smoking back in the days though…
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
She was frigging hilarious in Californication though
Pretty much the only reason to watch the show
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
serial mom is not for everyone but i think its brilliant and hilarious
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 19, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
californication is a great show dude
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 19, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The voice is worse. What used to be sultry has become a bone-chilling growl. It could scare off a platoon of marines. Why! Why don’t these hot broads take better care of themselves?
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Supposedly
A lot of her weight gain was from a side effect of her pain meds for arthritis. Wouldn’t be shocked if the reason for the voice change was similar to Marianne Faithfull’s…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well that’s different. There are some actresses that I think take meds for a different kind of pain, though. I don’t think anything ruins a pretty face like pills. Booze is close. I used to look like Johnny Depp, for instance.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
LMFAO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see that
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I’m serious Don. Seventeen years, a broken nose, a baseball bat to the eyebrow and 45,000 scotches ago, I couldv’e had any woman I wanted.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
You
know what: I believed I should get any woman I wanted—
That was a long time ago. It worked as often as not.
But I look more like Ted’s avatar than I do like Johnny Depp. I believe you though, jrok.
Someone had to be running around looking like Johnny Depp.
by Don From Prov on Mar 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as you end up with one you want at the end of the day
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
For the record
I have said that I have a"funny Feeling" about the Chambers-Klit fight, but now that Eddie has weighed in at 209, forget it. He is going to get waxed.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions
Ted, he will get splattered in the 10th round, after he moonwalks for the prior nine and Wladimir gets bored of boring everybody to death. Or maybe the ref will get bored. Either way a mercy killing.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Yeah, I actually thought he could maybe do something with the Giant, but not at 209.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted, I don’t know if you’ve heard, but Kevin Johnson has now stated that he, in fact, kicked Vitali’s ass.
And love is a thing that can never go wrong. And I am Marie of Romania.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
You know, I could really get to dislike KJ. That’s too bad because deep down, he is a decent sort. Do you remeber the poster known as Former Fighter, Karch, and then Tark? He truly knew his stuff, but was hung up on KJ and thought he would be the next best think to sliced toast. Just didn’t get that. Tark has dissapeared, by the way. Love to see him pop up on here. I got a whole bucnh of guys who are going to come on if they could just fugure out how to register!!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted, Tark knew his stuff, but he had a lot of strange ideas too. I remember he used to drive Kenny Weldon crazy with some of them. Me too on occasion.
Yeah I remember he was sweet on KJ too… kept comparing him to Jack Johnson! Even I didn’t think Kevin would stink up the joint that badly though. Kept sniffing his own armpit like something stunk. And he was right!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Yes, he did make Kenny go bonkers. God Bless.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
East Side Boxing
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Bottom line: Tark
would apply standards to fighters he didn’t like.
But refuse to apply them to those he did if standards did not bode well. …
(Rematching after losses, fighting “all styles” of quality fighters, etc.)
Plus, he made things up and ignored reality.
Bullshit is bullshit.
by Don From Prov on Mar 21, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tark also believed lots of tall tales and myths that you always hear in boxing circles, but that were discredited long, long ago. So sometimes it was hard to tell if he was making something up, remembering it wrong or just repeating some lie someone else told him. But there was a fair amount of obvious bullshit in there.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
True and his back and forth exchnges with WPINK were puke provoking.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember those
What about?
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
SSL
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Tark actually disappeared, I think he just changed his handle again(can’t remember what to at the momemt). I do remember talking to him with a different name after he got banned for freaking out about Hagler. I think the only fighter he hated worse than Marciano was Hagler.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
It’s Kolton, but he doesn’t post much.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked MUCH better around 210 than he used to around 220
Much more stamina, higher output
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But Brick, he is going to get tossed around like a baseball in there.
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
He's less likely to at 210
where he has more mobility and output.
But he’s still fucked.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
You win
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Typos-ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
No offense
to Tark, but the man made things up.
Kevin Johnson should have taken a vow of silence.
Clottey & Johnson. Lord!
I know. I was just trying to be nice as is my wont,
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 19, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks man
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Great Read JK , You seppo legend .
Paez was one clown you would not wanna piss off . A truly entertaining warrior . Old Tark used to know his stuff but his use of semantics to bag certain fighters he didnt like always let the old bloke down in my opinion . The " Safety Pin " was going to be the next Jack Johnson if I remember correctly .Cheers Fellas .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Cheers to JC40
Safety Pin was all that and a bag of chips to Tarkanian. He was obsessed after he watched the guy dismantle…. Devin Vargas. There was something else going on there for sure. He had a tarantula up his backside about Marciano as well. But I enjoyed talking to him about Larry Holmes on occasion. We were sometimes on the same page about the assassin. Peace!
"This fight'll be the nastiest thing you'll ever see. I been sober for six weeks, and that makes me vicious."
-- Randall 'Tex' Cobb
Yes, I got along with Tark and he was kind to me on my articles. He was not an insulter. That’s really all you can ask of a poster. To be decent—even if he or she disgarees. The thing is, BLH is diffrent from most other sites in that the authors engage the posters almsot instantaneously. That makes it a lot more fun.
I like to think I was one of the first on-line writer to do this many years ago on ESB—then a few followed suit. It’s not for every one because you can take a real beating on a site where the mods don’t control the maniacs, pyschos, haters, and imbeciles. ESB is different from all other sites because it allows instant posting from anyone anywhere. While that gets them alot of posts, it also allows for insanity. ESB should re-tool the manner in which it allows posters to identify themselves IMO..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
this a fught of his son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLYXXUlCM58 and also somthing funny to say is that he is married to a beautiful woman witch he lovely call her fea ( witch means ugly in spanish)
Devin Vargas-ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
paez wearing skirt
I am a huge Paez fan, and have over 60 fights on dvd, so ican tell you he actually wore a mexican style skirt to the ring in the Ruales fight, but once it started he had on white green and red mexican flag trunks. He also wore a wedding dress into the ring in his first fight with Jose Vida Ramos.
Scary clown? My avatar is a scary clown!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

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