Wha fighters can you name who should retire for their own good?
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
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I don't mean one who should retire because his (or her) record is bad. Heck, I know of a bucnh with more than 100 losses who are still useful and raely gett stopped. No, I mean the ones who should retire for their own good--and before they get seriously damaged. I'll start this off with Antwon Echols (32-12-4) who has looked terrible in recent outings on very shakey legs with little snap in his punch. His first win since 2004 came this past weekend against some poor lad from Iowa who was 0-8-2 coming in. The fight was held in Wisconsin. The KO came in the 6th and last round. Antwon should retire and leave us with the memories of his incredible closet classic winover Charles Brewer in 2001.
Can you name some?
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I don’t mean one who should retire because his (or her) record is bad. Heck, I know of a bunch with more than 100 losses who are still useful and seldom get stopped. No, I mean the ones who should retire for their own good—and before they get seriously damaged. I’ll start this off with Antwon Echols (32-12-4) who has looked terrible in recent outings on very shakey legs with little snap in his punch. His first win since 2004 came this past weekend against some poor lad from Iowa who was 0-8-2 coming in. The fight was held in Wisconsin. The KO came in the 6th and last round. Antwon should retire and leave us with the memories of his incredible closet classic win over Charles Brewer in 2001.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 21, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Well, I called for Jesse Feliciano to retire for his own good back in 2008, after watching him try to eat Tsurkan’s hands for eight rounds. For awhile, I thought I got my wish, but then he fought Indio this past December, which made me very sad to hear. There’s just no defense there whatsoever, and I refuse to watch his fight anymore. It’s sad because I think he’ll easily get fights whenever he wants them, due to his style of letting guys unload on him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Roy Jones Jr. really does need to retire. The only money fights out there for him will get him hurt at this point. He does not seem like he can adapt his game to fight in a less risky way, either, and still tries to fight as though he’s as fast as he was ten years ago. He’s not.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Evander Holyfield
James Toney
Freddie Norwood
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Evander more than anyone else imo .
Roy Jones a close second .
Danny Williams should knock it on the head as should Hatton ( if he hasn’t already ).
Eric Morales should of stayed retired , that kid has had more wars than Germany .
Ray Mercers’ got no business left in any ring be it a boxing or mma .
Audley Harrison should also go ….but that’s because he gets on my tits .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
In order Roy Jones , Holyfield , Morales , Toney , Hatton , Hopkins, Shannon Taylor in Australia and probably Juan Urango after the beating and knockout he copped from Devon Alexander . Has Castillo hung them up after that diabolical fight on the Pac- Clottey undercard? Cheers Fellas .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Echols is very very bad
Echolls v Hopkins 1 was an incredible fight . Antwon has never approached the phyical conditioning he had in that fight . The bloke was a beast . Hops basically ruined Antwon in two long distance beatings . Echolls came to Australia years later and fought Anthony Mundine . He was a shell of the bloke that fought Hopkins . People forget fighters are like racehorses or greyhounds . To get them to absolute peak fitness and to be fight or race fit is a long process and most fighters like most horses or dogs only have a very short window of absolute prime fitness and prime ability .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I think Castillo has retired and
I’d agree with most of those mentioned Holyfield and Jones in particular. Hatton – his motivateion was always very good – if not his discipline so yeah he should def stop. Sir Jack – I agree a few of the British HW’s should now call it a day. JC – Hopkins don’t think he needs to stop, but can’t see much reason for him to carry on – he’s set up as a promoter and unless he changes his mind on Dawson I don’t see what there is for him to achieve. It’s interesting so many carry on even when they don’t have money problems -as you say Ted they risk not only their legacy, but also serious damage to their health.
BristolOne – " a few " – most of ’em !
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 22, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabor "Rocco" Balogh
Bad nickname
Record: 2 -62-5
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions
Vasquez and
Marques. No one will likely agree.
I’m a fan of both and feel they have gone beyond what they need to leave in the ring.
The thought of both enjoying their retirements is one I like.
I agree with Vazquez
Marquez, maybe
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Both, but especially Vazquez
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones, Holyfield and Bhop
Holyfield for his own safety,
Jones for his sanity
And Hopkins….. just to piss JC40 of !!
In my opinion, he (Hopkins) promises so much and doesn’t deliver, I know he’s achieved plenty and I respect him for that, plus, I’d still watch him…. but God.. he’s boring.
Also, sad to hear about Harry Carpenter. A loss for boxings yester year.
A few more who are more like journeymen
Jerson Ravelo
Zuri Lawrence (he still has gas in the tank, but he’s suffered so many bad knockouts)
Lamon Brewster (truly truly shot)
Jose Varela (on the wrong side of one too many wars, now getting KOed early every fight)
Czar Amonsot (brain bleed, but still fighting in the Philippines)
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Antwun Echols (actually scares me watching him anymore)
Evander Holyfield
Jermain Taylor
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Jesse Feliciano
Lamon Brewster
Walter Estrada
Zuri Lawrence
Israel Vazquez, probably
Roy Jones Jr.
Czar Amonsot
Monte Barrett
I’d add guys like Jeff Lacy, not because he’s so beaten up, but because outside of club fights, beaten up is all he’s gonna get from here on out.
Glad that Oscar Larios and Jose Luis Castillo have both given it up.
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Can anyone tell me..
Is Wayne McCulloch still fighting?? If he is, then there’s an example of a guy who’s too brave for his own good.
He took some thunderous shots of Hamed years ago and still didn’t buckle.
Not sure Phil mate . I’m sure I read Wayne had problems getting a licence due to (I think ) medical issues .
Wayne was a great advert for the sport and a fine “heart ’n soul” fighter .
He’s done his bit …I hope he’s retired for good .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
PS
Why have you got a photo of Mrs Jack Daniels as your avatar ? WTF is going on there mate ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 22, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hatton
Great fighter to watch. So, he really built a connection to the fans. Sharp interview, clever. He is a character that is easy to care about.
Selfishly I’d want to watch him again, but when you go at it hard outside the ring like by all accounts he does, it goes down hill very fast inside the ring, once it starts. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see him really hurt by someone who he may have been able to handle only a year before.
Oddly, there may also be reason to worry about him once he does retire. Some can’t ever settle down into a pedestrian life.
John – don’t worry about Hatton and that pedestrian life . Ricky has always been happier slugging ‘em down in a pub than slugging ’em out in a ring .
Ricky will retire , eat , drink then eat and drink some more .
In fact , the next time you see Ricky Jerry Springer may be hauling him out of his house with a crane .
I love Ricky and I don’t wanna see him fight no more .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 22, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Cliff Couser, the guy’s dotted the record of a few names and was never a great fighter, but he’s 38 and has lost 9 in a row, 8 by knockout. It’s time for “Twin Tyson” to stop having his brain scrambled.
Lionel Butler- in the midst of a go nowhere comeback at 42, just got iced in 2 by a prospect he would’ve busted in his prime.
Omar Sheika- will make his 2nd appearance on the club circuit on 03/26 after getting toyed with by the ghost of Roy Jones. He’s only 33, but it’s an old 33 and he was never really world class to begin with, hang em’ up Omar.
Franz Botha-tabbed for geezer match against commander vander, but the Botha train left the station a long time ago, I see him getting beaten up badly by any decent younger heavyweight.
Lovemore N’dou-was able to win the battle of N’dous and outwit the lesser of two Hattons, but let’s face it, especially at welterweight, I see nothing in his future but a beating at the hands of a prospect who has his shit together.
William Joppy-He’s 39 and got beat up by Bute in his last fight of significance and in his most recent fight lost to a guy that Arthur Abraham took out in 3 in a middleweight title defense. The colder amongst us could say that he’s getting his comeuppance for humiliating a 48 year old Duran. However way one slices it, Joppy’s got nowhere left to go but down and he needs to call it a day before he really hits bottom.
You could also say hypothetically, Edwin Valero. Even though Valero’s in his prime and a dynamic, poised slugger, he’s got that past brain bleed from that motorcycle accident, combined with the fact that he fights with his chin in the air with his mouth open.
Ooh, good one with Couser. Last time I saw him he was another guy that obviously had zero interest in really being there, just cashing a paycheck.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 24, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
derv, I saw Omar Sheika fight in NH last year, and his hand speed was impressive as hell. I think he has a few wins left in him. I really do. William Joppy is totally shot. Lionel Butler has come along way down since icing Tony Tubbs.in 1992, but losing to Andrey Fedosov may not be the ending signal. Still, very interesting post.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Omar Sheika fight in NH last year, and his hand speed was impressive as hell. I think he has a few wins left in him.
If you put me in a foot race against the girl from Precious, I’ll look like I run fast, but I assure you I do not.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 27, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr Milano – yes sir I agree . Morales come back is something I really don’t want to see .
Talk is that Enzo Mc. may be heading to MMA . He’s been learning the old arm snapin’ chokey wokey ground stuff of late in a local MMA gym . We will see .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 23, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good ones Es Milano.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Retire For Good ?
Anthony Mundine , Enzo Macrinelli, Ricky Hatton, Roy Jones Jnr, Evander Holyfield, John Ruiz, Bernard Hopkins. Have I missed anyone out ?
Ted my man , Love your work mate !
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Mar 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
Sick Of the Danny Green - Mundine Farce
Wlad , Mundane isnt retiring , him and Green are going to make another financial killing in Oz convincing the brain dead public that they are great , world class boxers . I dunno which of them I dislike more LMAO Green with his bullshit " I am the common man crap" which is meant to appeal to the average Bogan or Mundine with his pissweak Ali – Ropy Jones – Floyd Mayweather imitation . I’d be happy for them both to bugger off if they don’t want to fight legitimate fighters at their own weights . Why do you think Green is fighting a bloke ( Sciaca) who Kessler smashed in 2004 and who last fought a semi world class opponent in 2006 ? ( Silvio Branca, who won every round against Sciaca) .Because he beat Mundine. Anthony has only fought four even remotely world class fighters his own size . Ottke kayoed him . Kessler easily outpointed him , Sciaca beat him 6 years ago and he beat Green . Green is even worse mate . He lost twice to Marcus Beyer and lost to Mundine . Dannys last eight opponents ( including the 40 year old shot Jones) are a joke . Jason De Lisle , Paul Murdoch , Otis Griffin , Stipe Dews , Anthony van Niekerk , Julio Caesar Dominguez , Jones and now the faded shell named Manny Sciaca . If Green is a cruiser why the frig isnt he chasing Cunningham or another top shelfer at the weight ? If hes a 175 pounder he can chase Dawson or Pascal . Mate you continually put shit on Hopkins yet want to tell us how good Green is .Blind Freddy can see Green is just chasing Mundine because he is afraid of fighting anyone with a pulse . . More bloody perspective is needed mate ! Give me Paul Briggs and Vic Darchynian over those two fakes any day . Take it easy mate and dont think Im having a go at you LMAO Im just sick to death of the pair of em .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I have to admit the whole Mundine-Green situation puzzles me a little. Green does a Ghostbusters routine on old RJJ, and now he’s going to fight Siaca. It seems like Siaca or Soliman are becoming the default divisional opponents in Oz. Unclear to me if there’s any sort of career plan for Mundine. He moves from a very live division down to a very dead one, but seemingly only to fight locals and stiffs. Always talking but are there any management moves going on? He knows that 160 beltholders aren’t coming to his hometown to fight him, right? And now that Soliman has moved down to 160 as well, does that mean these guys are gearing up for a trilogy? WTF is going on?
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
They outsmarted themselves Jrok
My take on the whole thing was that Mundine dropped down to 160 so he didnt have to fight Kessler to whom he was the mandatory challenger at 168 . I still reckon they will end up fighting Green at 175 . There’s no other fights out there than either Mundine or Green can make the sort of money they did fighting each other again . The problem for Mundines mob is that Green by beating Jones is now holding the whip hand in the negotiations . Mate Soliman and Mundine have already fought 3 times , it wouldn’t surprise me if the end up fighting again . Nothing would as far as “The Hyena” is concerned . He’s been preying on the old , the small and the lame for a long time . Cheers Mate
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Siaca seems like a stay-busy fight
I know Green’s team has been in talks with Hopkins, Tarver and Holyfield. Two of those three are tied up, and the Tarver talks didn’t start in earnest until the Siaca fight was already booked. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Green fighting a bigger name soon.
As for Mundine-Soliman, sadly they’ve already had a trilogy.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Green can’t beat any of those guys. I think that even Holyfield would do him in, wielding that forehead like old rhinocerous going for one last meal.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Agreed Jrok
Evander would be the worst for Danny even at his advanced age , Jrok. Green is no Toney , he has slow feet , is technically average at best and has average hand speed . Evander’s too big and too hard for Danny in my opinion . Big diff in strength and hardness between Roy Jones jr and Evander . Plus Holyfield would still hit hard enough to hurt Danny . Jones has no power whatsoever these days .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Vlad not Wlad lmao sorry mate .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
But Mundine has beaten some tough cistomers.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
Waste of Talent in Some Ways
After Mundine fought a good competitive fight with Kessler , then easily outpointed Green and stopped Soliman I thought he was going to try and make something of himself as a world class fighter , Ted . Been a waste of talent but he makes big bickies beating up B and C grade fighters on Aussie pay per view so I suppose I cant blame him. Since he’s dropped down to 160 hes lost a lot of power and at his age hes not getting any quicker .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Hmm. Thanks for the info, JC
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Frank Wuestenberghs
record: 3-67-1
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Csaba Olah
3-72-3
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Marius Petre Sorin
0-39-2
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Cristian Nicolae,
2-61
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Peter Simko
2-39 (lost 30 by KO)
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone with a 2 – 61 record shouldn’t be let anywhere near a professional prize ring in my humble . Is Marius Sorin going to keep fighting until he wins one? As for someone losing 30 of the 41 fights they’ve had by ko , frigging hell. Not good . Cheers Ted .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I have some that are even worse….
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't there some Romanian guy who's like 0-54?
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NAW, DON’T THINK SO. BUT IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE A RECORD LIKE THAT, HE WOULD BE ROMANIAN OR SLOVAKIAN
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here he is
I knew I wasn’t imagining things. Alexandru Manea. 0-52, with only 12 of the losses coming by knockout.
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=18803&cat=boxer
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Holy good God in heaven.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Brikhaus, new repct to you, mate
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
3 Fighters I never want to see in the ring again....
Simple. Erik Morales; if you ask me what is done is done. He only got beat by the best, but not only that, he beat the best. He has nothing to prove and will always be one of the greatest fighters of our times.
Israel Vazquez and Rafeal Marquez should NOT fight in May. 3 of the best fights I have ever seen in my life on both halfs of the fighters, but I do not think either one needs to prove anything to us from the thrashing they dished out in previous meet ups. Yes, Vazquez came out on top with two victories, but in the trilogy as a whole, there were no winners or losers. Both fighters came out heroes and set an example to boxers who ain’t got a heart in the ring that if you wanna be part of the best, it doesn’t matter if your quick, fast, strong…you gotta be throwing them punches from the heart aswell as showing up most respect for your opponent.
Peace and Love,
Shnizz x
P.S. Ricky Hatton should also stay the f**k away from the ring! It is definitely for the best. He also has nothing to prove, he got beat by the two best fighters in recent times.
Shnizz, goos stuff and welcome aboard, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I agree that Hatton should retire. That was a brutal icing that Pacquiao dished out on him, but if he wants one or two final duels at 140 I don’t see any reason he can’t do it. A couple of crownings doesn’t necessarily make a guy shot.
I’m not even sure Jermaine Taylor should quit fighting. As far as I can see it, neither of these guys will ever win a title again, but there are top guys out there who are in much more danger of being seriously hurt. A big puncher will always beat Taylor, but he would provide a stiff test for up and coming prospects if he wants to play that role.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
I was with you on Taylor until DiBella said (when Jermain pulled out of the Super Six) that he still doesn’t remember the last round of the Abraham fight. That’s bad news.
I’m not sure about Hatton either, but he might have to fight at 147, where he’s not particularly good, because the older he gets the harder it’s going to be to boil to 140.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 24, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He must fight guys like Ouma, though. Win two and then retire. As for Hatton, I have to disagree based on his changes in weight. Man, that’s stuff can catch up with you insidiously. Stiil a rematch with Paulie might be nice or a fight with Juan Diaz (who I think might be shot).
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hatton wrecked Paulie and would do so again. It was fun to watch Hatton actually jab in that fight – and he was beating Paulie with his jab!!! He would do so again.
If Hatton can still get down to 140, I’d have him even money with Diaz. I have my doubts that Hatton can ever take a shot from a big puncher again, but against light punchers like Paulie and Juan he can still dish out some punishment
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Agreed. His fight against Paulie was a remarkable effort on his part. He did everything right that night. It was like the old Hatton had come back for one last beat down. Loved it!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
If he is truly done, Taylor had one of the most gruesome schedules I’ve seen towards the tail-end of his career. Three big, stalking punchers with hard chins had their way with him. Pavlik, Froch and Abraham are nothing to be ashamed of. All three are or were determined, cold-blooded killers.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
He always fought very stiff opposition. Never ducked anyone.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Underrated resume.
Taylor actually has one of the best resumes in boxing yet gets bugger all credit for it . Hopkins twice , Winky Wright , Corey Spinks , Pavlik twice , Froch and Abraham .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
And he also gave them all tougher fights then people give him credit for two. Had Pavlik down in the first one, fought him tooth and nail in the second one, had iron-chinned Froch down and a mile back on the cards and almost went the distance with both him and Abraham. These are all good things.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"then people give him credit for too"
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
Tony is 78 and Carmen is about 83.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Whoops, wrong thread
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Mike Anchado
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
Matin Mohammed
hHe is 0-1-1 and is due to fight on March 28. But wait, he lost and drew with Peter Buckley who was coming in at 31-256-12. Matin needs to quit RIGHT NOW!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
Anton Glofak,
2-79-8 ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Ernie "Gypsy Boy" Smith
13-142-5
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Billy "Gypsy" Smith,
12-77-1
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
Etiene Whittaker.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions
A few Aussie Fighters that should Hang Em Up
Shannon Taylor , John Hopoate , Bob Mirovic and Nader Hamden. I was just sussing out the actual official ANF ratings and theres no sign of Green , Mundine , Bika or Darchynian . I dont know what thats about , perhaps if you are world rated you dont get an Aussie ranking . Im in the dark on that one .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I hear John Hopoate does some strange stuff on the Rugby field—really strange. I bet Billy Dib is rated?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
Hoppas finger was world famous Ted . Lets leave it at that LOL
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
LMFAO—for about the 10th time today.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they have Billy as the number one featherweight in Oz . He’s no Fenech , Rose or Famechon .http://www.anbf.org/Ratings.htm
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Nice to see Brad Pitt is rated number 7. WTF.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO I couldnt resist whack the link up Ted, Hoppa in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s651jrL6fh8
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
John is one very disgusting guy. He just got DQd in a fight this past weekend for failing to fight. Guy is a strange one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually saw the fight with Cameron and while Hoppa was going the grab severly the ref should have let it go a bit longer . Even Camerons corner were pissed off with the stoppage .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
For those That Enjoy a bit of Old school violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0na1EatEjM
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Love it!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rugby League back in the 70s in the only sport Ive seen that is nearly as dangerous as boxing . Biting , king hits , eye gouging , kicking etc etc Makes Ice Hockey and Gridiron look like cricket . They cleaned it up in the 80s as the only blokes that would play it were border line psychopaths . Hoppa should have been a 70s player he was too old school for the modern era . He even got banned from attending any games anywhere Ted LMAO His kid was playing and Hoppa decided to start calling the match official some rather untoward names then threatened them .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
He does have a winning record in boxing, but didn’t The Atomic Bull wax him?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkexXL88iZQ
Another classic old brawl , watch the sneaky king hit delivered by the number 7 player in the blue jersey . Ross Henrick , he must have weighed 10 stone max LMAO Hard little buger .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdYoYj2qZ4I&NR=1
The used to reckon Les Davidson was one of the best street fighters in Sydney Ted . Nicely produced right hand .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Who was the guy who tried to fight some other guy on TV and got waxed big time?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
Well it was a tough looking bloke, but the other guy may have been a Samoan or something such and he obvioulsy knew far more about boxing. The tough looking guy was a well known Aussie Football palyer. .
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
Big Mal Meninga versus Mark Jackson LMAO Jackson was on some crappy American tv series with the bloke off that shitty Flash Gordon movie Ted . Meninga near killed him . Im trying to find the link as it was a classic . Meninga was possibly the naturally strongest bloke Ive ever seen play sports in Australia. He was as good an athlete as someone like Junior Seau from the NFL .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Bingo!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/the-gentleman-boxer/2006/05/19/1147545528071.html
Along with Mundine the Aussie footballer who had the most luck in boxing was a bloke named Ambrose Palmer , Ted . http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ambrose_Palmer . My old man knew Ambrose well and my wife’s first boyfriend won an Australian amateur title under Ambroses tutelage . He was reknowned as an absolute gent and he trained a lot of top shelf Aussie fighters including Johnny Famechon and Paul Ferrari . Cheers mate Im going to go and have a snooze , this flu is a pain in the arse . Always good to chew the fat Ted , have a good one!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
This was even BEFORE my time!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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When Palmer fought Stribling they told the Aussie public the Americans weight was 168 pounds . In reality he weighed around 190 . Palmers management should have been shot for taking that fight .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Sid Razak
1-21 in 2009 alone
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Kelvin Davis
Maybe it’s time for Concrete to hang em up. He’s lost 7 of his last 8, 4 by TKO, one of em against a guy with a 5-8-1 record . Lost his last fight by TKO1 over in Germany. Kelvin’s a cool dude and fights all over the world but as an ex cruiser king who also went 12 with Cunningham he’s now reduced to a name opponent. Good luck to him.
Great posts and links JC,Ted. LMAO Hoppa the chocolate cherry poppa – bloke shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near ring.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
That's a really good one
Forgot about Konkrete. That’s far beyond a maybe. The guy can barely move anymore because of his back (when he was training to fight Shane Cameron, he was doing roadwork on a railroad bridge when a train came and he had to jump off, breaking his back) and was already severely fading by the time that happened.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah, that’s a good one. He’s completely finished.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
GoodOnya Goaty
Hope all’s well mate .
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Ding-a-ling-Man may have rung his last bell as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
He had a good run for a clubfighter
Made it pretty far for someone with power, a chin and not much else. Good guy too. Owns a small technology business in Maryland. He’d probably do well to focus on that at this point.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
We are going to add Francois Botha to this list shortly, but we probably already had. I was surprised to hear he was still fighting, but in retrospect I guess I shouldn’t have been.
Also, Cannon Briggs might be due for a second retirement. We shall see.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Briggs doesn't look any worse than he did before his last retirement really
Botha is a good call. Everyone I know who saw his last fight says the draw was a robbery and he was thoroughly outboxed by Pedro Carrion.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
His last retirement was exactly one fight ago, Brick, when he looked awful against a guy who is half the boxer and a quarter the puncher that Wlad is. World Titles do not await Shannon, unless you count the WBA (and I don’t anymore).
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"but we probably already SHOULD HAVE"
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Yes, Botha, Evander, Briggs all should start smelling the roses.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
but Briggs has Klitschko brothers to beat!
See, it’s Shannon Briggs they can’t handle. Shannon Briggs!
Actually as much as I loathe Briggs the fighter (or used to anyway), I’ve always really liked him when he did guest commentary on ESPN, so I kinda hope he retires and does more of that. He’s good at it.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. He is extremely good in front of the mike. Seems to be a reasonablt bright guy and is well spoken. He makes a great commentator as does Tarver (IMO).
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 26, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Tarver’s growing on me, too. Oddly it’s the guys I didn’t like as fighters (I thought Tarver was good, but he always bugged me) that turn out to be the commentators I enjoy. Meanwhile Roy Jones Jr. and George Foreman both drove me up a wall, and Lennox Lewis makes me want to throw up half the time.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Boom Boom Mancini also shouldn’t be let anywhere near a microphone, sad as it is to say.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
H eis horiffic.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 26, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he's bad
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 26, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But I maintain that Gus Johnson is the very worse in boxing annals.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gus Johnson is a yelping dolt. His stint in boxing has turned me against him in basketball and anywhere else too. It’s enough already.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 26, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We are on th same page on THIS one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I sometimes miss George. Some of his banter with Merchant was entertaining, and occasionally he would say something that was so weird or funny that it made me smile. Lennox on the other hand has such a steady stream of weirdness flowing out of him that it sort of blends into the background. It doesn’t really add anything, and it’s not really interesting and sometimes it’s downright scary.
Most of all though, I just wish that all commentary had an off button, similar to the dump button TV studios use to edit out curses except on your remote control like the SAP button. I love the hearing the sounds of a fight, especially the crowd and the sound of big punches connecting, and there are times it is just absolutely ruined by non-stop blathering. I know for sure the technology exists for this, and I also know that there are other sports and commentators that it would be rigorously applied on.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Isn't that funny?
When Shannon cleans up his act, he is actually enjoyable to listen to and give sharp analysis. It’s amazing, very Jekyll and Hyde. Get him in a different room and he turns into a disgusting moron.
But as far as his career in the ring goes, he is done. He looked immobile against Iggy, and just unable to compete at the top level. It is a sign of the times in American heavyweight boxing that there are still a few people curious to see Briggs-Klitschko here in 2010. It would be a horribly one-sided Klitschko victory, and just tawdry in terms of who gets to jump into a shot and why. Briggs has had 3 fights in four years, and really during the last eight years of his career his best win was probably over an ancient Mercer and china-chinned Liakovich.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
And beside which, he is just getting done with a (worthless, pointless) NYSAC suspension for testing dirty in his last for an unnamed substance. Shannon’s manager is claiming it was something in his asthma medication, which Briggs has used as a catchall for past disappointments so I’m not necessarily buying it. Anyway the fight was in December and NYSAC gave him three months and buried the name of the substance in their vault. Three months for a fighter who fights once a year at best. They are as corrupt as they ever were under Ron Stevens, it is a shame.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
testing dirty in his last fight
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
sreroids for asthma?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 26, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
All that said
I fully expect the WBA to rank Briggs sometime next year.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
He's fighting Owen Beck next
A win would get him ranked. Manuel Charr got ranked after beating Owen Beck anyway, so I suspect he would pop in there.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Actually that fight fell through, Brick.
Last I heard, he is fighting Damon Reed. Or perhaps the fearsome TBA.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
TBA.is undefeated
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Off Topic But I had to whack this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzrzoY-syCE&feature=related I know you love bluesy jazzy – hard rock Ted so I dipped into the you tube vault and found an old classic from the early 70s . English band " The Groundhogs – Cherry Red ". Cheers mate .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Hmmmmm
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 26, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Julies Long is long overdue
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
Shannon Briggs has
“entertained” me with some of the worst fights I’ve seen.
Watched Manny/Clottey again and I must say that Manny Steward runs the steadiest stream of shit out there—and also doubles back and contradicts himself now and again. George Foreman was from another planet, Manny has some sort of attention-deficit disorder.
Big George: Never follow a puncher around the ring.
When Oscar gets his jab going and is up on his toes. …
I’ve grown to like Manny as a commentator, actually. Mostly because of the silliness. He kinda reminds me of Cleveland. Plus when he gets mad, he REALLY gets mad. His shaking anger over the Soto-Lorenzo DQ was great stuff.
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"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 27, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Which
part of Cleveland is that: The R&R Hall of Fame, or the burning river?
by Don From Prov on Mar 27, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny has some sort of attention-deficit disorder indeed—as an announcer, but not as a trainer. He flip flops like a pancake. He also calls fights after the first 15 seconds.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
That "first 15 seconds"
comment is right on the money. However you could mark out two minute intervals over the course of a fight and at each juncture he’d probably be recalling the fight in another way.
That’s an exaggeration, but the man has the directional attitudes of a politician.
Yeah, this is the one thing that would always bug me about Manny’s shtick. He could never be wrong. Everything he said about fight or fighter was unfalsifiable because every time the tables turned he’d pretended that he predicted it all along. “See just like I was sayin’…”
We all know guys like this and it’s always grating.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"See just like I was sayin’…"
Jesus. I could actually hear it.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 27, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a little testy with Lampley and Kellerman the other night.
I don’t want to hang out with any of these guys, but I’m sure they don’t mind.
Isn’t “Lamps” another girlfriend slugger?
And Max likes himself enough that he doesn’t need anyone else liking him.
He'd
probably become nasty and you’d have to hit him.
Where would your future in television lie then?
Probably, the same place it lies no lmao.
I think Lamps is probably a nastier drunk. Lampley would get red in the face, start a screaming argument about some petty bullshit. I can picture myself having to sock Lamps, but not Merchant. Jesus, Larry looks like he is rapidly be approaching 100 years old. He would probably disintegrate like a mummy if I uncorked on him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"Jesus, Larry looks like he is rapidly
approaching 100 years old. He would probably disintegrate like a mummy if I uncorked on him."
Exactly why he represents the better target.
You made me laugh about Lampley: He does have one of those faces that I can imagine getting all red and huffy. He might think too highly of his hair to chance getting it mussed, though. Max would fight you. Throw a jab and jump over the bar. Call Teddy on his cell.
I remember someone getting a little rough with Merchant too.
For some reason, I thought it was Hopkins, but that’s wrong I’m pretty sure.
by Don From Prov on Mar 27, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Teddy would give him a game plan too. “Control distance. Move before he moves. Walk down the bumpy road to destiny.” Teddy would also predict that Max would beat me.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
good one
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Sares after much jealous consideration I have given myself a scarier avatar than you.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Horeshit. Please look at my new one.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Sh_t!
Never was a scarier clown then that one, Ted. You win.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
res judicata. I’ll switch back now.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He would
also urge him not to "make that silent pact’ with you—
Do not allow jrok to clinch!
Worst scenario: Teddy decides to jump into the fray. I gotta go against you then.
by Don From Prov on Mar 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The party is over for Larry. Too senile inplain sight. Verbally constpated. Just grim.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 27, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to Larry call a fight, I’m reminded of shot fighters. He’s too slow to keep up and is but a shadow of his former self.
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by Scott Christ on Mar 27, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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