Tony DeMarco: Paying Tribute to a Great Boston Boxer
Ted "The Bull" Sares returns to Bad Left Hook this evening with a tribute to Tony DeMarco, the Boston fighter (1948-1962) who won the welterweight championship in 1955. Soon, DeMarco and his great rival Carmen Basilio will meet again at this year's IBHOF induction ceremony in Canastota.
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"I was a champion a million times in my dreams - and finally it came to be."
--Tony DeMarco
If Joe Frazier is pure Philly and Bobby Dykes was Mr. Miami, then Tony DeMarco is what Boston boxing was and is all about. The following is taken in part from the website summaries of the World Boxing Hall of Fame enshrinees:
"It is Tony DeMarco's destiny that while he was one of the great welterweights of all time, a legendary puncher and now, a Hall of Famer- he is best remembered by the boxing public for two great fights in which he was the loser.
"Nobody who witnessed, in person or on TV, Tony's title defense against Carmen Basilio on June 10, 1955, will ever forget the savagery of that fight. For almost 12 full rounds, the two battlers fought with unequaled fury. Basilio came back from the brink of destruction to prevail in the Fight of the Decade.
"DeMarco rebounded with a one-round demolition of Chico Vejar, but failed-again in 12 rounds, in another ring classic - in a bid to win back the title from Basilio.
Fighting mostly in and around his hometown of Boston, Tony outslugged most of the stellar 147 pounders of his day: Kid Gavilan, Vince Martinez, Arthur Persely, Pat Manzi, and Gaspar Ortega, to name a few.
"He won the title by knocking out Johnny Saxton on April 1, 1955"
DeMarco grew up in Boston's North End (which is the Little Italy of that city) and he remains a true legend among all Bostonians. He even has a street named after him--"Tony DeMarco Way."
When he fought, he was not unlike later West Coast greats like Bobby Chacon, Mando Ramos, and Danny Lopez in that he consistently sold out the Boston Garden breaking attendance records in the process. Indeed, ifg they owned the Forum and the Olympic, Tony Owned the Boston Garden. He had that same charisma and elctricity; that rare connection with the fans
DeMarco, a first generation American, started boxing when he was about eleven and was a product of the Boy's Clubs in Boston and of the Parks Department where he was a very active combatant, but when he graduated to full amateur status, he participated in only a few fights. In his first pro fight, he knocked out one Mestor Jones in the first round. He was just sixteen years old at the time and had "borrowed" the name of an 18 year old named Tony DeMarco.
This hardscrabble battler would win 29 of his next 32 fights before dropping two decisions in a row in Quebec, Canada. Regrouping, he then went undefeated in his next seventeen, and on April 1, 1955, won the World Welterweight Title by stopping the great Johnny Saxon in the fourteenth round before a full house at the Boston Garden. On the road to that championship, DeMarco fought and beat many top notch opponents such as George Araujo (52-5-1), Johnny Cesario (86-12-4), Carlos Chavez (61-24-9), Teddy "Red Top" Davis (56-49-5), Christian "Gentleman Chris" Christensen (26-4-2), Paddy DeMarco (65-10-2), Terry Young (70-27-5), and Jackie O'Brien (47-4-5). He also fought to a draw with the Jimmy Carter (72-17-8) in 1955.
The Basilio-DeMarco Wars
Two months later, he lost the title to future Hall of Famer Carmen Basilio by twelve round TKO in a fight where Tony ran out of gas after taking the fight to Carmen. It would be the first of two great toe to toe, ebb and flow thrillers with the Canastota Onion Farmer. But in between (and in a Welterweight Title Eliminator), he iced the very capable Chico Vejar in one round. Vejar was 63-4-1 at the time. Then, in November of that same year, he met Basilio again in one of the greatest fights ever held in Boston. In fact, it was The Ring Magazine 1955 Fight of the Year.
Tony, a puncher and instinctive counter puncher, also had enough boxing skills to hold his own with such stylists as Kid Gavilan. But his incoming pressure style was more akin to that of Jake LaMotta or Rocky Marciano. Each was a ruthless stalker who walked down his foes like a hunter quickly closing in on his prey. Pure '50s through and through, Tony toiled amidst the hazy smoke generated by cheap cigars and the odiferous arena alchemy of perfume, beer and sweat through the entire decade.
Against Basilio in the rematch and before 13, 373 fans crowded into Boston Garden, DeMarco started fast, but suffered a bad cut in the left eye in the second round courtesy of well placed head shots from the rugged upstate New Yorker. To be fair, however, Basilio broke his left hand in that same round. Tony then took control and pressed the action rocking and staggering Basilio on many occasions, but the granite-chinned Basilio countered with his one shots.
Then, in an incredible seventh stanza, Basilio launched a hook, but was met with an equally well-timed left hook which landed first and badly staggered the man who had been down only once in his previous 65 fights . He was on Queer Street; hell, he was out on his feet and DeMarco was all over him like a wet suit. Basilio was on the verge of going, but DeMarco couldn't finish him, as he threw more than fifteen heavy shots with twenty seconds to go in the round. Fortunately, for Basilio, most missed.
At the end of eight rounds, the three scorecards read: 79-74, 78-67, and 79-73, all in favor of DeMarco. ‘The Onion Farmer," knowing that he needed a KO to win, proceeded to launch a brutal body attack in the ninth round. In so doing, he turned the tide of the fight in his favor. Then, in the twelfth round, he caught a totally exhausted DeMarco with a right and left that sent him crashing down. Somehow, someway, the gritty warrior got up, but at the 1:54 of the same round, was caught with a vicious four-punch volley that rendered him unconscious. The end had come to a great ebb and flow classic. Tony was unable recapture his welterweight crown, but he gave it a tremendous effort.
DeMarco then won his next four which included bouts against such greats as Kid Gavilan (104-21-5 coming in), Vince Martinez (50-3 at the time), Wallace Bud Smith, and Arthur Persley (48-9 -2 coming in). .Some say his TKO over Smith sent the Cincinnati fighter's career in a downward spiral as he subsequently lost nine fights in a row. DeMarco lost two heartbreaking split decisions to the Gaspar Ortega in 1956 (both at Madison Square Garden). However, as a testament to his fortitude, he bounced back to win a dominant UD from Ortega in Boston in 1957. He followed up with a win over tough Larry Boardman who was 34-3 at the time. After losing two action-packed and brutal fights to the great Virgil Atkins in unmitigated savagery that featured multiple knockdowns, he bounced back with wins over George Monroe (48-17), Don Jordan (51-20-1) and closed out his great career with a UD over Stefan Redl. Appropriately, this last fight was at the Boston Garden in front of his beloved following.
DeMarco finished with a deceptive 58-12-1 (32 KO-W, 7 KO-L) slate; deceptive because many of his stoppage losses were due to cuts.
DeMarco moved nicely into retirement. While he is no millionaire, if being humble is worth something, Tony was (and is) a multi-millionaire who has remained faithful to the sport he loves so much. Unlike his friend Jake LaMotta (whose ring style DeMarco emulated), Tony is one of the sweetest persons you could ever hope to meet outside of the ring. A Hall of Fame member of RING FOUR Boston-Veteran Boxers Association International, he has received many honors, including induction into the Official National Italian American Hall of Fame in Chicago. In the end, the affable DeMarco is fit, ready and sharp at 77. And he is pure Boston -- the city in which he treated fans to so many thrills. Now if only he gets the long overdue call from the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
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Great Informative Read
Great read thanks Ted , De Marco has a better resume than so called modern greats like Floyd Mayweather . I don’t care if he lost to some of them the fact is he didn’t duck anyone in the day . Basilio , Kid Gavilan , Gaspar Ortega , Wallace " Bud " Smith , Jimmy Carter ,Johnny Saxton and Virgil Atkins. Pretty stellar list of opponents . Plus its always great to hear of a fighter that did well in retirement . Obviously De Marco was a level headed bloke . Has there been any Boston fighters since with DeMarcos local drawing power Ted? Did Marciano or Hagler have his drawing power? Cheers Mate great read to keep my mind off this frigging swine flu .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Great question. Marciano fought most of his bouts in Providence , RI and Hagler was kind of a road warrior. Tony stayed close to home and was the greatest draw in Boston Boxing history IMO.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks mate
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Great stuff Ted!
It’s about time that the beantown Bomber took his place in the hall of legends.
I found a (somewhat poor quality) video capsule of his defeat of Saxton. These guys were both swinging for the fences for 14 rounds, and both had tremendous chins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL9FWU-tqVA
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
And here is the Chico Vejar 1 round blowout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl75WfBkyY8&NR=1
Chico moved his feet real well and had an educated jab. But when DeMarco started corking up those vicious 3-4’s it was only a matter of time. DeMarco could punch.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Thanks jrok, I just sent it to Tony!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
Now those shots on Saxon were truly MALEFIC! Tlak about a late stoppage.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
It seemed like a CONSTRUCTION CRANE was keeping Johnny up!
It couldn’t have been his legs. During that final thirty seconds, DeMarco was snapping Johnny’s head into orbit so many times it made me dizzy. It was a little nuts, the punishment both of those guys were able to absorb.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
These days, when a ref sees a neck snap back, he stops the fight ASAP. No wonder, Johnny ended up with pugilistic dementia.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
These days, when a ref sees a neck snap back, he stops the fight ASAP
Not always, though. I still see some late stops that I think might spell trouble down the road. Smoger and others have sometimes let the action go on too long on several occasions. For awhile I thought Tony Perez should get out of the ring period for the good of the fighters. Steele gets harrassed by cranks to this day about his handling of the Taylor fight, but having seen Mel Taylor since then, it’s possible the stoppage was even too late. A few seconds and a few punches can make a pretty big difference years later.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
But Steele was late with Mamba for sure.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
True, indeed.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that’s the rap on Smoger, but he has gotten better on that score. I also noted that Luarence Cole (who takes more criticizm than any referee alive) did a very fine job on the Diaz – Soto bout.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cole gets rapped for other things though. Sometimes watching him I get really mad about the politics of boxing, and how completely unqualified people get their foot in the door. Whether commissioners or judges or referees, so much about “who you know.” Cole is someone I’d actually like to see in a pair of gloves a few times, just to humble him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
You must be referring to Dickie-lol
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah "Boss Hog" himself
Son Larry is one of those guys that just ruins the atmosphere of a good fight. Just seeing him in the ring, throwing around small fighters, mugging for the camera, blowing calls, making up rules. Sick stuff.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
hahahahaha. The worse one he ever blew was the Ward-Leja fight where Ward cut Leja with a right cross ans Laurence called it a butt. Fight was stopped and Ward lost a TD. When they told Dickie EcKlund to appeal, he saiD to whom, Larry’s father. F—k that.
Of course, the Jimrex Jaco-JMM fiasco was horiffic as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Thomas hAUSER GOES AFTER THE COLES WITH A VENGENCE. CAN’T BELIEVE HE HAS NOT BEEN SUED.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
From writer Joe Rein via email from LA
First, hope you’re feelin’ much better, Ted.
A lovely long-overdue tribute to Tony Demarco. Brings to mind akinda sad moment in Vegas. Was doin’ a video of the week-long pre-fight hoopla for the Ruiz-Jones heavyweight title fight, tryin’ to collar celebrities and civilians for predictions.
Outside the weigh-in at Caesar’s I spotted DeMarco in a rumpled sport jacket – an every-man in the midst of a crowd oblivious to his accomplishments. But for streaks of silver in his hair, and an additional 20 pounds, he still looked like the crouching bomb-thrower that fought epoch wars with Basilio.
I went over ’n asked if I could interview him. He broke into a warm smile and said, "sure," as if he was an undercard fighter getting unexpected recognition.
We spoke for about a half hour, but only his prediction of why fellow New Englander Ruiz would win made it into the video.
He did confirm something I’d always thought, that he was a converted southpaw. He couldn’t get fights early on, so his trainer turned him around.
Click on the link, ’n see if you can spot Tony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_HOWlGD6o
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
BTW, once a month I go to a luncheon in Boston with about 35-40 other ex-pugs. Tony always attends and when he comes in, the room just lights up. The electricity is still very, very much in evidence. Just a great guy!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
De Marco
Ted , another beautifull Article my friend.
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Mar 23, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks, Vlad
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 23, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Outstanding read like always. You the man Ted
If a man ain't found something worth dying for. He ain't fit to live.
by Violent Demise on Mar 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
VD, Always good to see you, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Great stuff uncle Ted.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 12:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks, Doc
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
I’m licking my chops, thinking about your new book. Gosh!
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It’s at the publisher, but still much to be done.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
THANKFUL!!
Ted its so great to read stories of the greats from yesterday, I’ve been a life long boxing man and I really appereciate your efforts to keep these greats alive through your pen. Being born in ’52 I was a too young to remember DeMarco in the ring, but I can SEE him thanks to you. Thank You Ted Sares! Peace!!
Peace to you, Beach. Nice to see you come on BLH every once and a while. In 1952, I was playing football on my HS Freshman Team in Chicago and boxing in the in the Chicago Park Leagues. (Portage Park and Clarendon Park). I was also neglecting my studies at that point, until a HS teacher set me on the right path.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Graem Barrow via email from New Zealand
Good stuff. I always loved Demarco – and the Basilio fights were something else.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
Check out the fantastic photos on the link that was sent to me from Charley Norkus, Jr, my great mate.
Ted, This is one fine piece of writing. Tony DeMarco fought all of the toughest fighters in and around his weight class,and did much better than “just hold their own”. A great fighter moves out in front of his peers and Tony had done that many times. Great story. Thanks. Charlie
If you haven’t seen this already-I hope you enjoy this room click on below
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=118618
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions
And
a Prada handbag for the little lady.
Where does this shit come from?
I’m not someone whose nature leads me to find myself in awe of many folks—and most who strike me thus are boxers. When I see Demarco at Ted’s pug luncheon I am in awe.
P.S. Central casting could not find anyone better suited to play an ex-pug than Demarco. You guys should get Ted to post some of his luncheon photos: He does good work, and those South Boston faces are iconic.
Many are on my site at www.tedsares.com
Stop by, sign the guest sheet and have a look see. Plus ace music!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Ted this sure would be great if you could share some of these.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Get on that site rok—-and do it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright I am on my way.
I have visited it often to look at all the great photos.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
SIGN THE $%^#@$(&^%$ GUEST LIST
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
From the great Ray Gordon Reid from Jacksonville, Florida
GOOD WEDNESDAY MORNING TED BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS SARES YOU BE AT FRIEND RAY GORDON REID WAY CROSS GEORGIA JANUARY 1/11/1955 AANOTHER GRET ARTICLE DONE BY THE MASTER HOW OLD IS CARMEN AND TONY DEMARCO ARE YOU BEA BOXING OF FAME This YEAR BAD LEFT HOOK YOU GOT THE BEST BOXING WRITER WE LOVE READING TED ARTICLE READ BOTH OF HIS BOOK TED IS A INTERNATIONAL BOXING OF FAMER IN MY EYES KEEP THOSE ARTICLES COMING TED
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
Tony is 78 and Cramen is 83.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Err- Carmen
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
This article has got me thinking about Kid Gavilian. Was he the single greatest fighter to ever come out of Cuba? He is surely top five in terms of the level of competition he was facing back then, when the best fought the best.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
This is taken from my new book.
Kid Chocolate, Kid Gavilan, Luis Rodriguez, Ultimino “Sugar” Ramos, and Jose Legra from boxing-rich Cuba. All but Legra are in the in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Teófilo Stevenson and Felix Savón might also be there had they become professionals. After his third year as a pro, stylist Legra moved his base to Spain when Castro outlawed professional boxing in 1963. He too could well be a Hall inductee someday as his final boxing record was 134-12-4. Another who moved from Cuba was Angel "Robinson" Garcia whose final mark was an astounding 133-81-21 with only 3 stoppage losses in 235 fight.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Question
Bull, why don’t you post anymore on ESB; I know you stopped writing for them, but you used to post? Do you write for any other sites? Post on other sites?
dollar bond
Ha, interesting question. Let’s jsut say ESB is diffrent than it used to be and leave it at that.
I don’t write for anyone else, though I do contribute to the IBRO Qarterly Journal and post articles on my own site. I do post under an alias for one other major site (out of the U.K.) and a few boutique sites. But I am trying to consolidate most of my efforts into BLH. Many other sites do pick up my articles and post them and I have no issues with that. After all, we are all boxing fans. When I see one of my pieces get posted in Thailand or the U.K., that’s a real blast for me.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
He
will lose an expensive lunch if he posts on ESB in any shape or form???
by Don From Prov on Mar 24, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Left Hook’s tagline says it all for me: “For Boxing Fans.” I made a lot of great friends on ESB is cluttered with pimples who have about as much interest in Boxing as Paris Hilton has in nuclear physics. Personally I got tired of having to wade through 200+ comments about testicles just to have a boxing conversation.
ESB also flushes their comments each month, like turds down a sewer drain. There were diamonds sprinkled in those turds, but it doesn’t matter to them because it’s not really a community site for Boxing junkies. And in between great memorable articles from titans like Ted Sares and Mike Casey, it was normal to get a slew of identical, amateurish smear jobs from hacks who had no respect for boxers and no real knowledge of the sport or its history. About 75%-90% of the posters wouldn’t even read these articles, and would just use whatever “Headless Body in Topless Bar” title to continue ranting about so-and-so’s genitals, or to personally insult and attack each other.
Bad Left Hook started small and has grown into something very special. Even though they occasionally get very passionate, I’ve only ever seen boxing arguments here. Of the few infants who have wandered in from time to time, they quickly get bored or intimidated. Founder Scott Christ is a passionate and intelligent fan and writer, and the atmosphere he has created here is truly one of a kind. The Round-by-Round coverage is very unique thing in particular, and the closest thing to the feeling I used to get at good fight parties. Actually, I’ll still occasionally go back and read some of those threads, which had a lot of funny and memorable moments. It’s been great fun watching this site grow, and with legends like Sares and Casey aboard, it can only grow more.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Like Sares and Amato I mean!!!
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Though Casey would be nice to see around here too!!!
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Sares, and
Casey (who is writing again) were the only real reasons (as far as writing goes) to be on ESB.
Some great folks posted there and the format made the Cigar Club sort of like sitting around at the corner luncheon counter talking boxing—and everything else—with some very good people. Of course, the one thing that ESB also had in common with a local corner hangout was the ever-present threat of some major blow-up (none of which I ever participated in) that could be entertaining at the same time it was usually appalling. I appreciated listening to JK and all of the Aussies and Brits— a lot of folks whose voices I looked forward to hearing.
And of course when one could wheedle Kenny Weldon into taking about the art of boxing, some true diamonds really were there to be found. Yet, I’m blown away by the insights on BLH on a consistent basis, appreciate the tone, and have grown to admire the format quite a bit.
Plus, most of my favorite people from ESB are here now (along with the new voices).
If someone could just get Mike Casey to submit his pieces here. …
That man would love this site.
by Don From Prov on Mar 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I stayed away from Boxing for a few months, partially due to some situations I had to handle and partially because of the storm of vile garbage that the collapse of Pacquiao-Mayweather was sure to rain down on the sport just as it was on the verge of a rebirth. The internet has helped the sport in some ways, but also brings with it the same sea of anonymous poison that it brings to everything else it touches. Things were bad enough without having to read that sort of junk.
Catching up with BLH over the past few weeks, I saw that the site was not immune either. Without mentioning any specific names, certain types were starting to squirm out of the woodwork. I remember there was almost a certain unspoken code at Ted’s Scotch Clubs (which were also very innovative and great), and you could recognize right away who was just along for the ride for whatever mysterious reason. And you would just let them ride, because there wasn’t much to be done about it.
Reading some back articles and conversations, I noticed there was one guy in particular who turned up with his uninformed yet insanely pompous and condescending shtick. This was a guy who really didn’t know much about Boxing, but due to some unnamed mental condition he liked to let on that he did. I remember once that he tried to pull his act on me over at ESB, and while I am mostly a pretty genial guy I took him directly out to the woodshed and discovered that besides just copying random stuff verbatim from other posts, he didn’t even know very basic things about boxing, such as the weight distribution curve. It will probably make for a very good mental health study one day, why these people do what they do. Anyway I see that he was tolerated here for a little while, which is another thing that is great about this site. I’ve noticed Scott has a zenlike capacity to allow folks to reform their ways before he tosses out of the party. He’d be great at running a good but seedy bar. The line is forgiving but once you cross it and start fucking with everyone’s good time, there is the door. Good policy.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
amen, brother, amen
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I still read the posts on ESB, I do ejoy that. Yesterday, for example, SOME MORON DISSED Tont DeMarco uopon learning that he was going to reunite with another “warrior,” Carmen Basilio Carmen Basilio. This imbecile said Tony was no warrior—just a punching bag. Of course, the idiot meant the Tony DeMarco from Mexico. I did get a luagh out of that. In fact, I LMFAO!!!
There are many great posters on there like Bikermike, T-Bone, Iron Mike, Pinoy Pikey, Hiker, etc, I wish some of them would post here as well. I mean you can still post on both. Nevertheless, we got a boatload to cross over and that was just great.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There are many guys who would literally post the same ignorant thing a thousand times word for word like it is an advertisement, even if it has nothing to do with the conversation. The more jaded part of me wonders if promoters and press agents have started to carpet bomb websites to serve whatever agenda. But then another, even more deeply jaded part of me says “the internet has just driven some people bugshit crazy.”
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
MANY POSTERS HAVE SHILLS WHO WILL POST A QUESTION FOR THEM TO ANSWER. LIKE A SON, FOR EXAMPLE.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I once had an argument at ESB with a guy using five different names. It was like fighting a mentally challenged octopus or a monster out of a Greek myth. Cut off one dumb head, and two dumber ones grew in its place.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
I used to post as “The Grammarian” and as “The Lavander Man.” Had lot’s of fun with those two names. It was all fun back then, but then………..
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that was different, since everyone knew it was you. The Lavender Man was inspired. “Konstant Rammer!”
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"Konstant Rammer!" was a legend
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll always remember that guy “Lars” something who posted it. We were talking about Kessler-Ward, and I was a little tipsy at the time when he came on to drop some Danish language wisdom on us. I remember reading it and sort of understanding it. “Konstant rammer bum bum bum.” They great poetic international language of boxing.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
I think also we were talking about Kessler’s nocturnal activities on Monaco, amongst all those ritzy broads. It seemed to work well for that too. Another thing I like about BLH is i can go back and read that stuff.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Ray Gordon Reid is a true legend and agreat littel guy to boot.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO
The Grammarian was a classic and the Lavender man was even better . I still reckon I got the biggest kick out of " Old Man Fondler" who was despite his name not a serial groper but a man who’s name was a tribute to his home town of " Ler" in Switzer LMFAO . Great shit . I’ll plead guilty to multi posting once on ESB as a certain scumbag Margarito defender got me a bit hot under the collar with his toxic flaming .I’ll just chuck my two cents in and repeat what Jrok said . This sight kicks frigging arse.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
switzerland lol
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Great article again Ted , I thought TD was already HOF . Guess it’s a case of better late than never .
Ref : Prov’s and JK’s comments above …..Couldn’t have said it better myself guys ’nuff said .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks, Your Lordship
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
See,
who wouldn’t be happy to run into Sir Jack and his tag-along (and, thankfully, silent) avatar?
The avatar will be changed when I find a decent picture of Walter Mitty .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Casey , along with Ol’ Ted and Jim A. are my fav. writers . This guy SC here knows his shite and puts it across very , very well .
I recently scanned Mike Caseys site and found that he’s turned it into a site to view his art . I’m sure it’s very good but it’s lost on me .
I also found the new photo of Mike quite ……disturbing .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
jrok, who is that in your avatar
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
That's me
A few years ago and a few cocktails ago.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
jork mate – You look like the guy from The Fun Loving Criminals .
Are you him ?
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Had to look those guys up just now
And no! Them guys are ugly, whereas I am a glistening adonis.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
ha ! nice one .
I thought just for a moment you were Huey Morgan . Was gonna ask for an autograph .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 24, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
Soon, mate, soon.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Uncle Ted, I’m getting the shakes like that clown…I need your new book.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
How come the time is not displayed on our posts?
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Man Alive Uncle Teddy, is your book ready?
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 11:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Soon, mate, soon.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Uncle Ted, I knew it..you’re or were the Grammer man. Question IS are you left hook on esb? If yes…..we need to talk.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 24, 2010 11:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nope. I don’t post on ESB. I just read it sometimes. Nothing more.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Ted, recently on esb forums I was telling the fellas on how I gave advice to a young 19 year old tough guy on picking up whores. He musta not have listened he came back limping. My son said dads your joke has no substance. I replied I know it’s in the guys crack…ohhhhh!
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 25, 2010 3:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Did one already, Teddy..next time let me know so I can get ready. Actually I was pissed on margarito..
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 25, 2010 3:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Jrok, I have to be upset at something for the poem to work.. strange thing is I can do a whole poem in seconds..I don’t wanna be upset here.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 25, 2010 4:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Doctor is a true poet.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 25, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Where IS the party at?
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 27, 2010 5:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN Says:
Thanks uncle Teddy. I dig that coming from the lbflb best boxing writer on the planet.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 27, 2010 5:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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