Arthur Abraham loses his first pro fight via disqualification
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:04 AM EDT
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It didn't end the way anyone would have liked, but Andre Dirrell beat Arthur Abraham via disqualification tonight in the Super Six World Boxing Classic, picking up two points in the tournament.
Abraham (31-1, 25 KO) was well behind on the cards in the 11th round, when Dirrell (19-1, 13 KO) slipped for the second time on one of those stupid logos that people always fall down on, and when down, Abraham landed a right hand that put Dirrell out. Abraham was disqualified on the spot by referee Laurence Cole, losing his undefeated record.
The story of the night was Dirrell either way. He used the style and tactics that those calling for a potential upset said he would need to. He did get himself in trouble a few times, and the fight seemed to be tipping for a dramatic finish before the unfortunate finish. He landed more punches than Abraham even threw.
Abraham went down for the first time in his career in round four, and should have been called down again in the seventh, but Cole missed the call. Cole missed another one in the 10th round, when Abraham put Dirrell on the canvas.
At the time of the stoppage, I had Dirrell ahead on the Bad Left Hook card, 98-91.
A few things stuck out to me. One, Dirrell flops a lot. He is just a flopper. He's Vlade Divac. When he might be in any trouble, he'll hold and hit a knee. The other, though, is similar but the other way around -- Abraham complains a ton, which has been pointed out in the past, but tonight he didn't have "his" referee to stop the action every time he'd complain about a low blow or something even close to low. There was a point in this fight where he complained of a low shot, stopped fighting, and found Dirrell on top of him when Cole didn't stop the action.
This shakes up the Super Six pretty well, as now Andre Ward or Carl Froch (or both) can take the tournament lead. It also puts Dirrell in a prime position to advance to the single elimination part of the tournament, and means Abraham's third fight will really matter for him.
After the bout, Abraham turned off a lot of people by insisting that Dirrell was acting by pretending to be knocked out, so that he could leave with the DQ win.
We'll have more on the fight tomorrow, and thanks for joining us tonight.
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Lost in translation
At first I thought when he said “he’s a good actor” he was referring to Dirrell falling down.
Anyone remember the ESPN FNF when a guy was cheapshotted after the fight?
There was an FNF where a guy won a decision. He went to talk to his opponent and was sucker punched. Who was he?
The guy who was punched was never the same. I hope that doesn’t happen to Dirrell. He fought an awesome fight out there. Mad props to him. I’m pissed Abraham ruined a great fight.
The fight camp 360 next week is going to answer a lot of questions.
James Butler " The Harlem Hammer"
He murdered Max Kellermans older brother .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
google him mate
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
yeah
They took him in when he was on hard times, and…well. That’s the story.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Get my book and read about it—heh heh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Murdered him with a hammer too.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Apt Nickname
I was going to make a joke about his nickname being an apt one Jrok but I showed some discretion for once .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
He was Butler—The Harlem Hammer—-who is now doing 29 years in prison for a later manslaughter rap.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The shot was intentional
Dirrell had a knee on the canvas for 4 seconds, then Abe ripped him with the right hand.
That was nasty. As much as the ‘logo’ may have been responsible for the initial slip, I don’t think that the existence of the logo is all that relevant. The time lapse between Dirrell going down and Abe ripping that right hand is significant. Abe did that intentionally, out of frustration.
And, there was no acting on Dirrell’s part, he was completely F’d. He thought he’d been KO’d legitimately even several minutes later. He was badly confused, crying and saying shit like “give me some space, I need to breathe”, that’s KO talk. That is a serious concussion.
I really would have liked to see that last round and a half. I think Abe had a good chance to KO Dirrell within the rules. He shit the bed, though, and he’s the only one to blame for that, not the logo.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
whoah “shit the bed” is a real expression? i thought it was my forum pals mocking the Tool song, Rosetta Stoned
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Used to mean (shit the bed) "died"
but has morphed over time as a lot of sayings do.
by Don From Prov on Mar 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said in the other thread, I can’t imagine that it helped that while he was mounting a comeback he had a knockdown washed out that could have helped even the score a bit.
Nothing good comes from bad officiating.
by Gin and Tonic on Mar 28, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen, Gin, amen. AD also was tiring. You could see that between rounds in his corner. AA still had a shot. Pity.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
is there a web site were i can follow round by round commentary on a live fight? like tonight im at work but would have loved to have been able to follow these week end fights.
dude you’re already on THE best website for live round by round commentary
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 28, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And for articles
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
They're on the main page
They look like this:
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/27/1393088/bad-left-hook-live-boxing-results
If you scroll down, you see round by round scoring, I do the same thing at work or whatever when I can’t watch a fight.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
nothing in yet
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the very best.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I do think that Dirrell has stamina issues he was starting to look a bit gassed in that fight .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Indeed, he was. AA still had a chance to catch him.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
result?
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 28, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, please
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks!
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks dude. was it a fun fight or did you not watch it?
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 28, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
and btw
Discussion for Morales and the rest of the night should go here:
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/28/1393608/saturday-results-maidana-stops
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
Does anyone know if Dirrell has any trouble making the weight at 168 ? He’s a huge bloke at the weight , his body fat ratio must be at about 5 % . He would possibly be better off at 175 if that shot hasnt ruined him as a fighter .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
He missed weight the first time weighing in against Froch, but other than that not that anyone’s made too public.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks mate I was wondering if it has something to do with his gassing out?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
He fought with a style that uses a ton of energy in this fight
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Maybe its the Jermaine Taylor syndrome and Andre just cant relax in the ring , whatever it is its a weakness . He shouldnt have been that tired after 10 rounds . The kid needs to learn to clinch more and have a breather . He was actually physically stronger than Abraham . He should have been doing a Wlad , Ali or Holmes and using the clinches to have a breather . The kids not much of an infighter .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Abraham doesn't let guys clinch him
And Dirrell is horrible at clinching anyway. But because Abraham’s in that turtle shell, when someone gets too close, he just pushes out his forearms so the opponent can’t clinch.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Old Hops managed to clinch against Wright Brick
But its agreed Andre doesnt have a clue how to do it
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Hops is also way bigger than Wright
But that’s what Abraham does when guys move in on him. He did it over and over to Gevor, for instance.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
good point JC
he looked slower tonite, i assume from throwing more than he did v froch, but its weird as they market him as fitter than a nymphomaniac’s rubber bullet.
Here is the thing
There is NO excuse for what Abraham did tonight. That was dirty fucking pool. It was obviously late and intentional.
The reason he did it, aside from the frustration of missing Andre with every left hook, was Larry Cole’s usual hack job. Abraham was low-blowed repeatedly, sometimes at will, and he was headbutted to open up the cut, all of which were calls that Cole blew. Cole also refused to call the KD from an obviously legitimate punch, and rescued Dirrell from a corner beating with a call for the ring doc. Abraham was frustrated as hell, because the fix was clearly in.
But, none of that is an excuse for what Abraham did. It was one of the dirtiest and most obvious late hits I’ve seen in awhile. An appropriate DQ, and a disgusting performance by AA afterwards. Dirrell’s bell was clearly rung. Frankly, I’m still not sure that Andre knows he won the fight. They should have had him in the ambulance right away. Don’t know what they were waiting for, and I can’t believe they tried to interview him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Dirrell also had a knock down taken away from him. Plus Abraham got a rather long and helpful break when the doctors were checking out his cut (which they did more to fix than his own corner). And so what if a headbutt caused the cut? Going to the scorecards would only have helped Dirrell.
Dirrell did land a couple low blows- mostly range-finding jabs- but Abraham complained on every shot that even grazed his belt, let alone strayed low. Crying wolf, and all that.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And so what if a headbutt caused the cut? Going to the scorecards would only have helped Dirrell.
Generally, yes, but in the tournament format, a headbutt stoppage = decision win (2 pts) and a non-headbutt stoppage on a cut = TKO win (3 pts).
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
True, though the entire field (outside Dirrell) would be equally prejudiced. Which I guess is even worse.
Anyway, Cole is undeniably horrible but I don’t think it excuses any kind of foul, let alone something of the magnitude Abraham did.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I said.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Well you said “the fix was clearly in.” It’s the good ol’, well that’s inexcusable but… Cole’s typical incompetence went both ways and had little to do with why Abraham was losing.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And no, it didn’t go both ways. He was incompetent as usual, to the detriment of both fighters and the sport, but the calls he blew were all downhill for Abraham. Abe was getting handily outboxed as expected, but the rescue and the missed KD were obviously “blown” on purpose. Cole is incompetent and corrupt.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
He missed a KD for Dirrell too. And if I’m a ref, I start being a lit more judicious with my low blow calls when faced with a known wolf-crier like Abraham.
So as a part of an in-house game my friends and I did an over-under on real vs. acted ‘dick punches.’ I tallied 7 acted DPs by AA with a very stringent 2 DPs that actually landed. However, Law Cole is a completely terrible ref. He is consistently in the wrong position. When there is a southpaw vs. an orthodox fighter there is an obvious place to be watching the fight from…..LC was not there. Yet he did make a very difficult good call in the 9th round when he ruled a slip because AA actually tripped Dirrell.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 28, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would he blow the 2nd KD for Dirrell? Can he tell the future, realizing that blown call would help offset the (uncalled) Abraham KD?
An argument could certainly be made that Cole is biased in some way, but so far as him being corrupt… that’s just a baseless accusation.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
1) That wasn’t a KD. Abraham slipped. It was an OBVIOUS slip.
2) No accusation of corruption against Larry Cole or his odious father is baseless. It is ALL very well documented. They are crooks.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Is there a quick link you could provide, with this documentation?
I know that Cole sells insurance policies on fights he refs (or used to at least), but potential conflicts of interest come up all the time, in all kinds of situations. It doesn’t prove anything.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say “do your own homework,” but okay here is a “quick link.” The Texas dynasty of the Coles is well known to boxing fans.
http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/texas-is-shameless
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
I did do a search, and came up with nothing. That article is more of the same. Everyone knows Cole is inept. Quite possibly he is biased. That’s not corruption. Corruption in the boxing contest is when a ref, judge, or other official wrongly influences the outcome of a match for some kind of material gain.
Your allegation is therefore baseless unless there is some real evidence that Cole’s bad decisions were, in fact, intentional miscalls motivated by his own financial (or equivalent) interests.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
“I did do a search, and came up with nothing”
Thomas Hauser knows Dickie Cole is at the heart of the Texas octopus. It is a mafia down there, and has been for quite some time. It is NOT MY FAULT that you are new to boxing, and do not know this, and not my job to educate you. But those of us who have been following Boxing for more than five seconds know that Dickie Cole is more crooked than a snake’s armpit. We don’t need to do “searches.” This has been going on for a very long time.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Does Dickie Cole run Michigan too?
Sorry for asking you to back up what you said- I guess I just figured it would easy, since it is all so very well documented. It just seems like there are some gaps in your reasoning: Dickie Cole is corrupt, therefore his son is corrupt, therefore the fix was in for Dirrell in Michigan.
So far as Dickie Cole being corrupt, I don’t really doubt it. I just question his ability to run the boxing world like the Corleone family. Texas might be a different story, but even then, perhaps he is just giving his dimwitted son some work? Who says Laurence is on the take?
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I like...
how you’re all upset and yelling about fixes being in (which is…a bit on the absurd side) and you’re offended that people would ask for help validating the points you’re trying to make
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides...
I would have been nice to the guy if he hadn’t stated in with the vile nonsense.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Shit yeah mate I was shouting to my missus ," why the frig are they interviewing this kid , hes got a severe concussion" . As a left hooker myself Jrok , we dont like southpaws . Cole is frigging clueless . He missed 2 knockdowns in the fight and then the doc started trying to stop AA ’s cut from bleeding . WTF was that all about?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Cole did rescue Dirrell when he was pinned in the corner in ummm the 9th round? or the eighth. Its becoming frigging amateur boxing . He warned Abraham for elbowing? He should watch one of Floyd jrs fights. Agreed Ic it wasnt so much biased as just full on inept . Gimme a Mills Lane or a Steve Smoger anyday . That blokes as bad as Jay Nady.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
I’ve never accused Cole of being biased, really. Just not very good.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He might be biased in favor of Texas fighters, but mostly its incompetence. And tonight, it was two way incompetence (though, if he hadn’t ruled a DQ — and it was possible, given how out of position he was — he should have been thrown out of the sport)
He warned Abraham for elbowing?
Arthur does use his elbows quite a lot. Not so much in this fight perhaps (I am yet to actually see it) but in his fight with Taylor he landed at least one which Brian Brickhouse actually called “a perfect muay thai elbow”.
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by Drunken cutman on Mar 28, 2010 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Abraham has been known to use his elbows quite a bit
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by Drunken cutman on Mar 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This referee sucks, he’s made lots of bad calls in the past and it obviously continued here. I can’t remember which fights exactly. Also Dirrell got lucky the fight ended the way it did. He was slowing down and AA was getting serious, well maybe too serious.
i was in houston for paulie/diaz I
and sat ringside rowA with PM’s people. Cole was the ref. i spoke to him after the fight and said Laurence, in yr opinion, was PM robbed? he said its not how you punch its the effectiveness of the punch and how the hometown judges saw it. basically he said in as many words to me that while paulie scored more, it didn’t look like he did. whilst Laurence gave me the time of day and was pleasant enough, he had a crazy almost distant look in his eyes. maybe he was looking at the large mexican girl behind me.
I’d add that, I hope someday someone does kayor Larry Cole. I might even pay to see that rodent in gloves. He is truly vile. But that doesn’t excuse what AA did. The DQ was appropriate. Hell, considering Arthur’s power, that was basically assault with intent in there.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
The DQ was entirely the right call. It was a hideous foul.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
So I was thinking that they should dock a point away from AA for the intentional DQ. Just an idea that would be a good punishment and make the next round very interesting because AA would not be guaranteed to go on in the tourney…
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 28, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
It was wrong, but watching the replay many times, I think Dirrell was faking a bit. Doesn’t matter any way because it was and should have been an instant DQ. Dirrell looked good, got a little sloppy near the end, but a good performance.
No way was he faking. His bell was RUNG. You could see by the way he held his forehead… from being hit on the chin. That brain feels like it’s on fire suddenly, when you get hit like that. It was a serious punch, and Andre could even be ruined.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
No
he was a total mess.
1. The leg trembling
2. the prolonged period of time on his back
3. the total and utter confusion that lasted until he was out of sight at least
4. the belief that he got legitimately KO’d because he didn’t know any better
5. the crying and hysteria – that’s a really good image into a really bad concussion – the emotional response.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
He did not leave the ring understanding that he won. He was convinced that he lost, and had to be reminded several times.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
I don’t hate you for it. I’ve just seen lots of bad knockouts and I know what I am looking at. He was seriously hurt.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
You’re a better man than me. I just wrote a fanpost about this. In a sport where fighters risk their health for our entertainment, it’s critically important that officials be willing to move without hesitation to their aide when they’re injured. The more we start making spurious “faking” allegations, the closer we get to a day where a ref thinks a guy with a traumatic brain injury is just trying to play possum, and somebody dies.
If Dirrell was faking, he is an unreal actor- it must be incredibly difficult to simulate twitching like that. And then to speak incoherently for that long and convincingly believe he lost the fight…
But really I jest… there is no way in hell he was acting.
by drivlikejehu on Mar 28, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
ANDRE
will be fine he took a cheap shot to the temple but he was walking and moving fine after a lil while lets pray anyway. but what really bothers me is this kid should be leading the way right now with four points he got robbed by frochs home cooking but this kid has got what it takes to win it all
It wasn’t on the temple. That was a chin serenade, and it’s the kind of punch that is tough to come back from. He was completely out, for a very long time.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
the
fact that he was abe to walk out tells you a lot i’ve seen alot of really bad ko’s and although he was hurt pretty bad it’s a good sign that after he got up he didd’nt fall back down and he wlk out of the ring to the locker room and that’s a good sign
He got up after a VERY LONG time down. It was a brutal punch in the worst possible position. That was a severe concussion and walking away from it means nothing. I knew a guy who refused an ambulance after a car wreck, walked home, fell asleep on his couch and never woke up.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
watch
it again it was high midlle of the face im looking at it right now it was the temple
No it was not
look at this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceqVTs6Eyg
26 seconds. That punch is not on the temple. No chance.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
44 seconds is even more clear.
His head spins. The top of his head spins back in the opposite direction of the punch, that doesn’t happen from a temple shot. That’s on the jaw.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Exactly man
It was a Chin Serenade. I knew the second it landed this was serious trouble.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
jrok--take notiice
jrok, please concede that my new avaytar is scarier than yours so I can remove it before I am banned. Thank you for your cooperation.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
My bro fell off a push bike head first onto the road when we were kids Jrok , Dirrells symptoms were nearly identical . The trembling leg , the really pale looking face , the confusion , feeling really hot and flushed . I hope to christ the kid isnt vomiting now as thats another symptom . Many fighters arent they same after a concussion like that . Once you are badly concussed its a lot easier to get concussed again . Look at Roy Jones after the Tarver fight . Andre could well end up in that boat . Lets hope hes ok .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Yes exactly
Every knockout does something to you. This one was particularly bad. Banging down on someone’s chin like that, with the kind of power Abraham has is very, very bad news.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
JC,
true mate, i forgot that, the temple – when you have little kids like i do (5 and7) is the WORST possible placefor them to smash their heads. forehead = n prob.
temple = Possiblre ER
Good Onyas Blokes the missus is nagging me to mow the lawn before we go out for dinner so I better pull my finger out of my coight . Bit of a shame the fight ended like that because the last 2 rounds would have been very entertaining . Keep punching fellas!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Paging SC and or Brick, Paging SC and or Brick
we need two ‘bans’ on aisle 2 stat. 2 ‘bans’ on aisle two stat. Over and out.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
i never post here...
but I agree completely.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
yea – it’s usually pretty chill. Really it’s just kind of exhausting.
I’m impressed with German education though. I mean, I don’t know any German, nobody ever taught me nothing other than “Welkommen” – which i’m pretty sure is spelled wrong.
I’m not even capable of going to a German blog and trolling it.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I just saw “Inglorious Basterds” the other night for the first time. Great film. The ending was especially incredible.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
The best nickname of any new Jewish boxer has to be ‘Bear Jew’ because of that movie….
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 28, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We have to sleep sometimes, but every idiot from this thread is out.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news
Reports are that Dirrell passed the tests on his head in the hospital, and everything came back normal. Good to hear.
LMFAO I already did it hahaha the missus was out there with the taser and the bullwhip
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Poor Dirrell
The man gets Rabbit punched into oblivion in his first fight and gets absolutely robbed. Then he slips in the corner because one corner didn’t clean up their water (to go all conspiracy on you, Dirrell slipped twice in the same place jus’ sayin’) and gets hit by a man so desperate its pathetic. Seriously Dirrell should get a ‘sorry we f’d you in the a’ trophy from Showtime…
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by Scott Christ on Mar 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that no one is wondering
if Dirrell is okay, wondering about what happened at the hospital. Maybe you all know something that I don’t, but I saw enough to worry about that young man’s immediate health outcomes, F#ck his boxing future.
I’d like to differ in degree with a number of posts. On thought, is that while Abraham’s foul was blatant, I don’t know for sure that it was intended to take advantage of a situation. It’s impossible to know what’s going on in someone’s mind, and I realize that he may have been frustrated with both the fight and with Cole, but Abraham seemed sure that the replay would show that Dirrel, while in a very compromised position (think of doing a lunge in the gym) was not down when he hit him. I think that a few rounds earlier, Abraham’s corner was badly worried, but at the point of the foul (and while we can’t know what the outcome would have been if there had not been a foul and the fight had continued) Dirrell was tiring, being cornered more often, had already suffered a knockdown, and had been “rescued” (to some degree anyway—he wasn’t likely to escape without damage) when Abraham had him cornered and Cole decided that Arthur measuring and stilling Dirrell’s head called for a warning that allowed Andre to get out of the corner. Anyway, whether Abraham had a “screw it, I’m gonna nail him whether he’s down or not” moment, he sure showed bad sportsmanship once he was confronted with incontrovertible evidence. That “acting” crap was in very poor taste.
Second, I don’t know the history of the Coles, but I do know that this particular Cole is a lousy referee. I’d be more inclined to think incompetence than a rigged fight in last night’s case until I saw evidence proving otherwise, but Dirrell got away with far too many low blows, and that “rescue” from the corner was uncalled for. The head butt? I don’t know that if was completely obvious. One more argument for instant replay.
Slipping might mean no more than having your foot in the wrong place at the wrong moment, but Dirrell seems to suffer an inordinate number of slips—and the only ones last night. He may have rallied after that slip and controlled the 11th and 12th rounds but he appeared to me to be a tiring fighter who was being cornered more often, and I don’t know that he had the legs to run for the final rounds.
Last thought is same as first: Hope he is fine.
You can read all about the Coiles and their insurance company by googling Hauser. My problem is that I know Laurence and like him as a person—and don’t likle Hauser who gives new meaning to the word pomposity. That said, I’m staying out of the Cole thing except to say he blew that knockdown f Dirrell big time and he was way too far away when the end came. That is all.
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by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A fighter who slips that much has stamina issues. Remember Benitez against Hampsho
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly Dirrell is fine
They ran post-fight tests on him, and he came out clear. Which surprises me, frankly, and does lend a little bit of credence to the idea that there was an acting job. When I initially saw the punch in slow motion replay, I thought it was a bit of an acting job as well. All that said, whether or not it was an acting job, he was hit cleanly with a huge punch that rocked his jaw while he was on the ground, and the DQ was warranted.
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I agree
totally disgusting. I hope Andre pulls through ok and is not afftected long term from that cowardly shot. He was really giving AA a working over, I feel bad for him to have this cloud over a completely dominating performance. I have no doubt that he could have stayed in it for 5 more mins to win a lopsided decision.
Well, I don’t know about that. He was tiiring badly and AA was coming on like a Central Park mugger. Remember, with AA, it only takes one shot.
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by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
AA was not his normal composed self and was winging shots in desparation. I think you give him way too much credit for power. Dirrell was not gassed out on the level of Taylor, who we know has a weak chin, and AA was waaay out of his comfort zone, needing the KO against a guy he couldn’t hit flush.
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