Mosley-Mayweather: Preliminary Perspective
by Bad Left Hook on Mar 28, 2010 3:57 PM EDT
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With a big March of boxing now in the books, we inch closer to the May 1 showdown between "Sugar" Shane Mosley and Floyd "Money" Mayweather. Ted "The Bull" Sares takes an early look at the fight today.
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Back in 2006, I wrote that Sugar Shane Mosley's savage KO of Fernando Vargas II was evidence that like a perfect storm, everything was coming together......just the right things in the mix and with just the right timing for him to fight Floyd Mayweather. Team Mosley was running on all cylinders and it seemed unlikely for anyone to slow it down. But that was then and this is now.
Since then, Floyd (now 40-0) has vanquished Carlos Manuel Baldomir, decisioned Oscar De La Hoya, waxed Ricky Hatton, and dominated Juan Manuel Marquez. Mosley has beaten Luis Collazo in a fight where Collazo suffered a fractured left thumb during the second round. He then lost to Miguel Cotto, but came back to beat clownish Ricardo Mayorga in a fight that was extremely close on the score cards until Mosley's spectacular left hook knock out at the very end which sent Mayorga to Matador Dreamland.
Sure, against Collazo, Sugar Shane (46-5) showed a display of effective jabs and great hand speed, once again using feints, quickness, and crafty head and body movement that served him so well in his wins against Oscar De La Hoya and especially Fernando Vargas. But Collazo is not Mayweather, and Vargas had taken brutal beatings at the hands of De La Hoya and Trinidad by the time he met Mosley.
Curiously, Mosley lost two to the "Viper" getting beat up in one, while Mayorga beat Forrest twice. But then Mayorga, an "old" 34, got starched convincingly by De La Hoya who Mosley "beat" twice. Of course, that was then and this is now and a lot has changed.
Shane's demolition of Antonio Margarito in January 2009 raised everyone's eyebrows. However, one theory that has not been given much traction (and one to which I partially subscribe) is that Tony may have been so discombobulated by pre-fight events, that he simply was there for the taking. Whatever the case, Mosley made the most of it and destroyed the disgraced "Tijuana Tornado." Interestingly. Mosley likely did not even get hit flush in that fight, but then, neither did Mayweather against Marquez.
The Age Factor
However, Sugar Shane is getting a bit long in the tooth and his considerable skills are in jeopardy of eroding. Age has a way of impacting speed, quickness, hand-eye coordination, movement, and putting punches together. Moreover, the fact he has fought tougher opponents than Mayweather (Vargas twice, Winky Wright twice, De La Hoya twice, Vernon Forrest twice, Jesse James Leija, John John Molina, Philip Holiday, Collazo, Mayorga, Margarito, among others), is not necessarily an advantage at this point. The reputation for never having ducked an opponent can back fire and render a boxer's body old overnight. That said and notwithstanding the Margorito beat down, I no longer believe Mosley is at the top of his game and I'm betting the ingredients for the perfect storm that once existed have now dissipated to the point where the momentum is clearly in favor of the man with the heavyweight ego.
Fighters like "Pretty Boy," don't come around very often. He uses old school stuff, but he does it so subtly, he is seldom given proper credit for it. As I have said before, he just might be too good for his own good. His use of shoulder rolls, feints, parrying, upward jabbing, giving angles, counter punching, crossover defense, strategic lateral movement, and deflecting punches is all part of the old school mix. So is his mastery of the basics...the three levels of defense, slipping punches, and fighting off the jab. If a purist is one who appreciates the technical aspects of the Sweet Science, Floyd Mayweather Junior is a purist's delight. His fights with Phillip N'dou and Juan Manuel Marquez showcased these attributes to a tee.
However, if one definition of "Old School" is that it combines the aforementioned with a violent dimension (one that reflects a boxer's propensity to engage in a pier six street brawl), then Floyd may be somewhat lacking. Aside from his give and take with Emanuel Augustus, we have not yet seen Floyd be required to demonstrate this dimension. However, his blow-outs of the late Diego Corrales and Arturo Gatti suggest he may be capable of the same kind of mayhem Mosley showed against Margorito, but I doubt he can do that to Mosley.
While I intend to break down this fight far more definitively as we get closer to May 1, my tentative feeling at this point is that a well-rested Floyd Mayweather Junior will dominate Sugar Shane Mosley over 12 rounds and cop a unanimous decision.
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Yeah I’m leaning towards a Floyd UD also.
I think the ‘X’ factor could be Naazim as Shane’s trainer. I’ve got a ton of respect for that guy’s ability to game plan. Shane’s going to have to put sustained pressure on Floyd, anything else and he just gets pecked at to the tune of an easy and boring UD. Shane’s gotta seek and destroy. – And that’s fine, but Shane’s temperment isn’t built to seek and destroy, he’s better suited to beat the pressure fighters than be one himself.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Yep
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the naazim factor as well.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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by sonofapsycho on Mar 28, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
" discombobulated " . That is a hell of a word Ted mate .
Scabble winning stuff that .
Come fight night the smart money will be on Floyd by UD .
There is (faint) hope though . This is the Mosley that took out a (maybe discombobulated ) Cheato after all . lmao .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
I wondered if anyone would pick up on that one. It was ’60’s slang that morphed to legitimacy—just like “morph” is doing.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
Not a “distrubing” as the one I’d like to use but Ted won’t let me .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 28, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even think about, your Lordship.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I ama proud member of the Captain’s cult following along with MRBILL. I like scary clowns a lot. I ama scary clown at times.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
check my new one and note the sneer and siize of fist. Thank you for your cooperation.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought you may have made it up . lol .
I’ve got a made up word I’m waiting to use myself . I’m just waiting for the right moment .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
My usual template which I am proud to say has been a handicapper’s dream.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Mosely Vs Mayweather
I am a huge fan of the sport of Boxing I love the sport, i don’t fall in love with the fighters ANYONE can be beat. With that said, I enjoyed the article Bad left hook you know both of these fighters very well, but at the end of your article your prediction made it seem as if Mosely has no chance at all. People have a huge misconception about age and what limitations one might have because of your body getting older, if you have the power of your mind and the tool of your body there is NO limitation. Look at, Randy Couture best UFC fighter in the world at 44, Bernard Hopkins, Hershel Walker there are quite a few more and some women too, but I digress.
In Boxing the mind is what makes the fighter win. Floyd Mayweather has always made his opponents fight His fight. Mosley WILL NOT FIGHT Mayweathers fight. Mosley’s experience is going to serve him especially well on this night because he has the advantage of knowing that He has fought and beat Men that Floyd DOES NOT WANT to fight.
I look forward to your to your break downs in the coming days.
Speed and strength age very differently .
Couture in the Octogon is no way comparible to Shane in a ring .
There is “limitation” . That’s why fighters retire .
I understand what your trying to say but disagree big style .
Nice one .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What I am saying is
that I understand the normal breakdown of an aging body however people really believe that when a fighter gets into his 30’s he is broke down.
Mari Torres That's My Word Radio Show.com
yea I agree. You got guys like Erik Morales who are broke down and guys like B-Hop who aren’t. Shane falls in the second category certainly.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
B-Hop is the exception
—Bernard’s time in jail put years back on his clock. Eventually, Bernard will soon fall victim to Father Time. If not in his fight against Roy or soon there after.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
i AGREE
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think my man Hops is smart enough to know that he’s past it . He’s 45 ffs . His legs have finally lost their spring and I think he’s chosen Roy because Jones has no punching power anymore. Hops will try and fight like Johnson and Green did against Roy . Utilize the jab , come forward and get Roy onto the ropes. Wear him down and look for the right hand counter over Roys lazy jab as he backs away in a straight line . Cheers mate.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Spot on mate. Bernard’s nobody’s fool. I reckon he might carry Roy into the 10th or 11th, prolong the execution.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
+1. No one can beat Father Time.
And no, I think Couture’s 46, and yes, he isn’t as explosive as he was when he first fought Chuck Liddell. Mosley can still pull this off. But B-Hop and George Foreman are a rare breed of grizzled warriors.
"...twice this fight was like about 'mega-seconds' from bein' over!"
-Mike Goldie commentating during the 4th round of the GSP-Hardy fight
Mine or Mari"s?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Mari's of course
She is a lovely woman. You are… respectable.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Mari’s. You have a website? — good for you.
No just kidding, I’ve seen you website. It’s cool too.
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OK Mari
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Mari, I am a MONSTER fan of your avatar.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you like
My Avatar you can have it and use it too if you like. lol
Mari Torres That's My Word Radio Show.com
:)
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Mari you have to keep in mind different fighters rely on different aspects of themselves to win fights. Mosleys haydays were when he was a young undefeated lightweight and jumped a number of weightclasses to take on a very, very good De La Hoya and took him apart with his outrageous handspeed and power.
Mosley was picked apart a few years later by Winky Wright when his speed and power proved to be especially ineffective against a defensive fighter who knew how to not be hit and then even when he got hit Mosley didn’t have the tools to really hurt him. It was a completely one sided and painful to watch affair.
I’m willing to be quoted Mosley has no chance at all in this fight, none what so ever. I predict 120-108 rounds. I respect and love Mosley but come on we know whats going to happen here this man got picked apart by a defensive fighter when he was much younger and now hes going up against another good defensive fighter having aged considerably.
I think Mosley will hunt down Floyd and Floyd will lie up against the ropes slipping and shoulder-rolling punches. Floyd will counter and catch Mosley while Mosley will have trouble landing and even when he land they wont be very effective punches. For 12 rounds Mosley will be picked apart.
I don’t think Floyd is that good I just think Mosley is that old. If this was Sugar Ray Leonard and Floyd tried that shoulder rolling shit they’d have to stop the fight to get re-attach his shoulder to his body after a couple of rounds. Mosley though, not so much. Floyd UD and 120-108 rounds, quote me.
Good stuff, Ben
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff, Ben, really
But I think that Floyd is THAT good. It’s not a guarantee whether a younger, prime-r Mosley would do well against Mayweather either. So as much hate as anybody reserves against Mayweather, I still think he’s THAT good. (What, SRL is on another level so that’s irrelevant at this point.)
Hmmm Very interesting
Point of view, I respectfully disagree, I can’t wait to see the outcome of this fight. Let’s see What it Does.
Mari Torres That's My Word Radio Show.com
come on guy
Sugar fought wright at 154. Winky probably weighed about 170 on fight night. Thats why Mosley couldnt hurt him. Also, if you tink that Mayweather is going to be able to lay on the ropes and do his shoulder roll crap your sadly mistaken. Mosley isnt going to waste his time trying to head hunt Floyd. Mosley will be ripping those crushing hooks to the body. Mayweather will be pressured this entire fight. Floyds never even come close to feeling the power hell be facing on may 1st. You guys saying Floyds going to dominate with a UD obviously didnt watch him fight Delahoya. Another thing is the age factor. Ya Shane is 38 but Floyd is 33, not exactly a spring chicken when it comes to boxing. This going to be a great fight.
by johnnyurrotten on Apr 11, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd is also a crafty veteran when it comes to spending his energy. Generally he’ll spend very little energy for the first 4-5 rounds while his opponent expends tons of energy. Then down the stretch, when Floyd’s amazing conditioning kicks in, he turns up the heat and dominates. He did this in the DLH, Hatton and Judah fights. He’s so good he can basically take it easy for the first third of the fight and still come out of those rounds ahead on the cards, even against all-World competition.
Shane is going to have to come out like a bat out of hell and turn this into a brawl, but at age 38 it’s hard to envision him changing his measured, “power boxing” style. It’s going to take 12 rounds of sustained pressure and I really don’t see Shane pulling it off.
And Shane in not th brightest guy when it comes to ring IQ. His propensity to brawl can get him into trouble.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice analysis
I still think Sugar Shane is going to put on a career defining performance against Floyd. Shane has the physical tools (size and speed) and skill and planning (Brother Nazim) to solve Mayweather’s defense. His punch output is going to be too much for Mayweather to cruise to an easy decision win. If he puts Money May in a points hole and forces him to fight in the second half of the match, I will be happy regardless of the winner.
I Too Will be happy
No matter who wins I think that they are both excellent athletes I enjoy watching them.
Mari Torres That's My Word Radio Show.com
Thanks, Gong
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I smell a tactical stinking brewing.
I will NOT do the PPV of “Mayrunner-Mosley.” I will pass.. I expect Fraud Mayrunner to out-box the aging Shane Mosley by a comfortable 116 to 112 margin… Mosley will be tuff and game, but, he’ll also be too old and slow at age 38 to even possibly win this “Boxing” match…
I’ll root for Mosley, but I know I am reaching for something that just ain’t there in 2010….
“Hops-Jones 2” on PPV for 50 bucks next week is laughable and insane…. That has stinkbomb written all over it………. I’ll pass……..
I am very interested in “Haye-Ruiz” and “Holy-Botha.” Are these two bouts still going on as scheduled? I haven’t heard jackspit as of late…
MR.BILL
Bill Petersen
MR.BILL
Raleigh, N.C.
You are a heavyweight addict, MRBILL.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
MRBILL, Holy-Botha is about one hundred years worth of heavyweight in the ring, brother. Botha will almost certainly walk in a 165 lb punching bag, and Holy is hearing voices at this point. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Surrender to a higher power, MRBILL!
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Easy does it……
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
one day at a time
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I'm just joshing him
I know MRBILL will
stillpay to say Holmes do it with Foreman, as long as they aren’t tubbalards. That is heavyweight dedication.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
"Hops-Jones 2" on PPV for 50 bucks next week is laughable and insane
Well, sure.
I am very interested … "Holy-Botha."
It’s the same fight but they’re bigger.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
oh shit btw the bhop-RJJ rematch will be on televisa next week. just a heads up for those that might actually want to watch it legally without paying for it
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. It could ne a snoozzzzzzzzzzzer.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Meant for MRBILL
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it pains me to say but im thinking floyd here too.
only scenario i see shane winning is if shane he puts the pressure on and keeps it on and backs him against the ropes and bangs at his body i think he can win a decision or maybe even stop floyd late.
"Newspapermen ask dumb questions. They look up at the sun and ask if it is shining."
-Sonny Liston
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i concur
The body is the way for Shane to beat this guy. And lets face it Shane throws great body shots. I think Floyd might be pissing blood after this fight.
by johnnyurrotten on Apr 11, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t argue with you on this one Ted.
I think you bring up a good point about the Margarito fight. I think we can say for certain that the Margarito in that ring was not the Margarito we had seen in previous fights. Whether it was a mental thing because he was caught with the wraps or simply the fact that he had to fight on an even playing field, something was off with him. So while we need to credit Shane for that win, I don’t rate it nearly as high as Paul Williams’ win over Toni nor dismiss the fact that prior to that Mosley had labored with Mayorga and been outboxed by Cotto.
I like Mayweather by stoppage in this fight because I think we have an A-grade fighter in his prime vs. an A-minus-grade fighter slightly past his.
Thanks, Bull
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Margarito--if I heard correctly--
came in underweight, unheard of for such a big welterweight. There were rumors of Margarito having an eye operation some time before the fight. He came into the ring drawn and lethargic.
People wondered for a long time if Cotto would be the same after his beating at Antonio’s hands.
Yet, no one seems to recall that Cotto administered a major-league beating on AM for much of that fight as well. Or, at least they didn’t wonder if Margarito would be the same after Cotto.
Maybe it’s something we should have been wondering.
No matter what their respective skill levels, there is no way Shane should have been physically manhandling Margarito in the first round of their fight. I’m not measuring Shane off that win.
by Don From Prov on Mar 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good post
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, at least they didn’t wonder if Margarito would be the same after Cotto.
I did. Cotto abandoned the body for the head because he noticed how criminally easy it was to hit Margarito upstairs. Margarito didn’t pack plaster in his head, and some of those punches looked vicious.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Great post.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I’m sticking to my predictio of Mosley with a 10th round TKO
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll be back
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions
Shane cannot beat Mayweather here in 2010. Shane is 38 years old, and Floyd is about three times fast them him. Just look at round 8 of Shane-Margarito. Before he started teeing off on Tony’s defenseless face, he was still occasionally getting tagged with the cheater’s slow motion 1-2’s. Shane trounced him, but Margarito was already looking like a dead-dog, stumbling around the ring, and Shane was winding up Popeye punches that Floyd could see coming from a few time zones away. The boxer typically beats the brawler, and Shane has seen much better days.
Mayweather will try to kayo Shane from the outside with volume in the late rounds. Shane’s only chance (and it’s not much) is to try to physically move Mayweather onto the ropes and bang his body to slow him down a notch or two. Also, if Shane could stumble across a time machine during camp, it wouldn’t hurt.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
three times faster than him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
i haven’t seen PBF KO someone in years much less someone with a solid chin like mosley
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not succeed but I think jrok was trying to say that PBF will try for the KO unlike the JMM fight.
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes exactly
I don’t think he can, but I know he will try for the TKO.
And Floyd was well on his way to icing Hatton at stoppage time. Shane is much bigger and stronger than Hatton, but he is still there to be hit in many of the same ways. Floyd will try to get a comfortable lead, get Shane tired and then start piling up punches. Can he starch Shane? No I doubt it, but with the right ref you may see a stoppage.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
when trying to scrounge up a mayweather KO victim the only one i remembered was Gatti, so big oops on my part for forgetting about the hatton fight. i don’t think it’ll get to the point where floyd will get shane buzzed or something, and start bashing away for the TKO. i don’t even think PBF will win, so that obv won’t happen in my scenario. i see mosley (who is a master imitator) imitating DLH’s gameplan and bullying mayweather to the ropes where PBF is prone to turtling it up. however, unlike DLH i don’t see sugar shane tiring early or giving up on the jab like oscar did
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by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Chico. He mauled and mugged him.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
really
it really don’t seem like you know the fighters your talking about shane has been down one time and most guys would of never got up from that knock down yet he still finished the fight floyd will do nothing but run around the ring hatton is a joke at 140-147 he should of lost his first fight when he moved up but he won on his name you’ll see a side you never had to see from floyd b/c he WILL NOT be able to hurt shane at all not even a little bit you make it seem as if floyd is the all mighty in this fight when he’s never faced anything like he will on may 1 bottom line he’s not the bigger’ stronger, fighter in this one plus and this is biggest thing he’s NEVER been hit like he will in this fight
Please use coimmas. Thanks.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Please use proper langwedge and Captilization, THANKS.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Bastardo!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
aaargh
It’s my eyes.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, as most guys here know, Shane Mosley is my third-cousin-once-removed. We hit the movies about twice a month together, and I performed the briss for his son. We know each others favorite colors, exhange homemade Christmas cards, leave funny messages on each others answering machines and have shared several long moonlit walks on the beach together where we talk about our dreams.
ALL THAT SAID! Shane is a 38 year-old brawling, iron-chinned boxer who cannot pull the trigger like he used to. He is going to be in against a a very fast guy who is not only physically younger, but who’s boxing age is probably twenty years younger. He has been sitting on the shelf all year, and the last time he was in against a guy evn remotely this fast there were still two very large towers outside of my bedroom window. For all these reasons and more, I have Mayweather at about -210 right now.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
by jrok on Mar 29, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
New respect for jrokmosley
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I nominated you for "Poster of the Year".
You’re funny as fuck, man. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Hatton. Great ko.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
floyd
has made his name on beating little fighters or old guys there’s only one guy he beat that was not old or little and he was facing jail time to say that he’s ever been in the ring with anyone as good as shane is crazy and i have seen every fight of floyds and shane boxing is in my blood and i’m telling you right now it’s gonna be a boring win for shane he’s bigger and and he’s almost as fast and he hits harder plus he won’t get tired he’ll make floyd fight and we will see floyd lose his cool for the first time he will be in a fight
has made his name on beating little fighters or old guys
And now he is going to keep that streak going, by beating another old guy.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
first
like i said he’s never even came close to fighting any one like shane but you’ll just have to wait and see floyds not as good as you think there’s a reason he ducked manny and shane in the early years this guy will lose on may 1 and you’ll be back here to here me say told ya so
He's fought brawlers before
The key difference with Shane is his size. And his age.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
well
there’s your first bad call right there shanes not a brawler he’s got a free style type of boxing and he’s not as fast as he used to be but he ‘s still fast enough to hit him watch you’ll see floyd will be in a new world he’s never seen before
Yes, Shane is not a brawler. Just like Marquez is not a counterpuncher, and Jake LaMotta wasn’t a swarmer. Also, Mike Tyson was a cutie.
Shane is a brawler, and a good one. But the boxer usually beats the brawler.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
we
can talk all night but the bottom line is on may1 floyd will lose no doubt in my mind and you know he’s scared that’s why he tried the same type of hype as he did with manny but it diid’nt work and now he’s got a real fighter in front of him and we’ll see floyd get his first loss and then he’ll get crazy money to fight manny and he’ll lose again
No, don’t thinnk so, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not meant for you, jrok
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i know you were joking, but mosley will mos def not go into the “PBF is handpicking his opponents!” category. sugar shane is a legit threat much like DLH was in 2006 (both were already old at the time PBF fougth them, but sugar obv has more mileage left in his tank than DLH had in his.)
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 29, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s bigger
Yup.
and and he’s almost as fast
Not anymore. Not even close.
and he hits harder
I agree, but he hits hard when a guy is there for him to hit, like Mayorga or Margarito. He doesn’t hit so hard when a guy isn’t there for him, like Cotto wasn’t and like Floyd won’t be.
plus he won’t get tired
He looked a little tired to me near the end of Margarito. Not exhausted, but you could see the years on him.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
as
far as that fight he threw crazy fists and still finished him off you think floyd could of done that not a chance
I don’t know why I just had this thought, but I wonder what Roberto Duran would have done to Floyd, at 140, I mean, and maybe at 147.
kills him
duran is a one of the kind fighter that you can’t run from he’d beat floyds body floyd could out box him but i don’t think e could run all night and at 147 he really don’t seem to have very much power
Slow as Duran was?!
I think that’s easy pickn’s for Mayweather.
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
Why doesn't that surprise me?
Craigman picking Floyd. Wonders never cease.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
:)
I’ve never made any bones about being a fan. What would you expect me to say? I tell you what though, if he looses, I’ll be right here the next day. How about you?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
What if he loses to Duran
You won’t be right the next day if you see that fight, you’ll coming down off some serious stuff!
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like Duran in a street fight with me.
Whoops, wrong thread…. ;)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
I was here before you, I'll be here after you.
And I don’t think Floyd can lose to Duran now, but a peak Duran would have eaten his lunch AND kicked sand in his eye….
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
slow
You obviously never saw Duran fight in his prime at 135. Even when he fought leonard in montreal at 147 he wasnt slow, just ask Leonard. Duran would have destroyed Mayweather. So would have Hearns, Leonard, and Hagler.
by johnnyurrotten on Apr 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
plus
let’s not forget floyds no spring chicken it’s not like floyd is 20 he ducked manny and now he’ll pay for being a coward an lose to shane which is fine by me manny and shane is the fight we’ll end up seeing like it or not but if your a true fight fan this is the fight you want b/c any fight with floyd will be boring he’s a runner always have been always will be
Yes, he is a runner, but an expert counterpucnher while running—and his body is very rested.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not just counterpunching
But being able to turn on a dime into a lead right hand. He can lay that punch down like nobody’s business, and I don’t think Mosley would have much luck against it.
"I fought Sugar Ray so much, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic."
-- Jake LaMotta
Exactly
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
age
I agree, everybody talking about shane being 38. Yes he is ,and Floyd is 33. No spring chicken. Bottom line is if tou take care of your body in and out of the ring then 38 isnt shit. Shane is always in shape. Bhop is the exact same way, thus still fighting at 45.
by johnnyurrotten on Apr 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Graeme Barrow via email from New Zealnad
Thanks. I agree, although I’m an admirer of Mosley, his attitude and behaviour. Still have a lingering doubt about Floyd, though. How will he react under real, relentless pressure – ie Manny Pac?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
thanks
for the talks guys but i gotta go talk to ya later
OK Tom, thanks for dropping buy mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
eer by
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
Something I am noticing here
A lot of the posters on all of the recent threads seem to be coming on for the first time. Is this my omagination or is BLH becominh hot in plain sight?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
It’s a wonderful thing to be part of.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the ref will play a big part in this fight. Will Shane be ‘allowed’ to physicaly move Floyd to the ropes or inforce his size on the smaller man? If he gets inside and Mayweathers elbow comes up will he be docked a point at some stage? We all seem to agree that if Shane were to win this fight it will be on pressure and size, things that can be taken away or enhanced depending on the ref.
I still have my mind set on a Mosley upset
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Ali
Good post.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 28, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only way Mosely wins is if Floyd breaks his hand. Age is one factor, but no one is talking about the very long layoff for Mosely. How long will it take him to get up to speed? If he does come out on a tear, when will his stamina and fitness come to play?
Every fighter has a game plan until he get's punched in the mouth.
-Mike
DRMULLEN
If the fight is legit.. I can see a great fight. If Mosley fights half as good as he did vs margs it should be very interesting.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 2:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mayweather by lopsided UD
—I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Mayweather by lopsided unanimous decision.
I think the ‘X’ factor could be Naazim as Shane’s trainer. I’ve got a ton of respect for that guy’s ability to game plan.
Look at my signature.
Will Shane be ‘allowed’ to physicaly move Floyd to the ropes or inforce his size on the smaller man? If he gets inside and Mayweathers elbow comes up will he be docked a point at some stage?
Shane will be allowed to move Floyd, but will Floyd allow himself to be moved is the real question. Floyd is a master of creating space to slip in strong shots in the clinch. I’m not necessarily worried about Shane’s hooks from the pocket because Floyd will smother those shots and reciprocate with shots of his own. Floyd’s forearm, not elbow, will create the much needed space for that specific punch to do the correct amount of damage on Shane’s chin.
How will he react under real, relentless pressure – ie Manny Pac?
I’m more curious about the relentless pressure of the Doctor trying to insert the needle into Pacquiao’s arm to draw blood.
Floyd is also a crafty veteran when it comes to spending his energy. Generally he’ll spend very little energy for the first 4-5 rounds while his opponent expends tons of energy. Then down the stretch, when Floyd’s amazing conditioning kicks in, he turns up the heat and dominates. He did this in the DLH, Hatton and Judah fights. He’s so good he can basically take it easy for the first third of the fight and still come out of those rounds ahead on the cards, even against all-World competition.
Couldn’t of said it better myself. The opening rounds are definitely a feeling out process. Depending on Mosley’s choice of action, coming out swinging is not the way to defeat Mayweather. I highly doubt Brother Nazim’s gameplan will be effective on a Boxer of Shane’s caliber. However, if anyone has a chance to dethrone Mayweather, that man would have to be"Sugar" Shane Mosley because I can’t see that inaccurate, arm punching, overhyped psuedo #1 Welterweight & #1 P4P Boxer Manny “PacMan” Pacquiao doing much of anything but getting embarrassed by Mayweather down the stretch.
"I do no speak of the future. Your demise is already an inescapable fact of the past. " - Aizen
"Forty have tried, all forty had a gameplan." — Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 40-0-0 (25 KOs)
Mayweather Hitlist: "Sugar" Shane Mosley, Manny Pacquiao
DRMULLEN
Uncle Ted, I will be on much earlier today. I had fun playing email tag earlier.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 4:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t buy the discombobulation theory about Margarito at all(Mosley was just much too quick) and i though Mosley v Cotto was a close fight where both fought well.
Mosley is a t his best at 147 but is definitely in the twilight of his career and i pick Mayweather by UD 115-113.
One of the best parts about the after fight reports will be to see what Doug Fischer has to say after he seems so adamant that Mosley is gonna win.
This is Floyd we are taliking about.No one is a sure thing to beat him,far from it.
He may have picked the right guy but i just don’t see it and i can’t stand his arrogant stance on this and his obvous bitterness towards Mayweather.
Who, me?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
As Waldo or someone was saying before,i like Fischer’s fight previews where he is unbiased and usually dead on but his mailbag section is just so anti-Mayweather/pro-Valero it makes me lose a bit of respect for the guy.
He was all over Margarita too,before he was found to be a cheata.
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
whew!
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
who is that in your avatar?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
,Doug Fischer. I have never read any of his stuff. Do you have a link? Thanks, Matt.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is is most recent mailbag. This one isn’t too bad since there isn’t too much Valero ball-gaging or any Mayweather hating.
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1775/dougies_massive_monday_mailbag/
by Waldo Rastel on Mar 29, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for ther link, Waldo
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, I said “partially.” Surely, it must have had some impact on both he and Capatillo—some. Moreover, SSM was aware of it as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think it is? …..Me! :)
Fischer writes for the Ring over at www.ringtv.com.Go to the blog section and his monday mailbag will be up.
I thought you would have heard of him Ted.
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Like i said i rate the guy as a writer but he’s heavily tipping Mosley and going on about how he(Fischer) is gonna prove everyone wrong.I just can’t see it myself.
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i know what you mean about it maybe knocking Margarito’s confidence knowing he didnt have the extra help in his gloves but i don’t think the result would have been much different.I think Margo’s style is made for Shane and at 147 is where Shane is at his best/most fastest,as you know.
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to say though Mosley v Margs was so one-sided it was almost untrue so maybe he was effected pyschologically.
It just seems unfair to Mosley to be looking for excuses for the guy who cheated?
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I also tend to stay away from commneting on other writers unless I have something good to say.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as a writer. It’s one of my personal rules or standards. I try to stay away from commenting on other writers. It like hunting. I hate it, but I don’t condem others for doing it. It’s just the way it is and it will not change.I have other rules as a writer.
I also have rules as a poster, but don’t always live up to them.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No comment
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Like i said,i mostly like Fischer’s stuff but he does seem to have his favourites like Valero,Mosley and Margs(in the past) who he will hardly ever pick against and guys who he dislikes,like Mayweather,who he always picks against (he even picked JM Marquez against him).
He just seems to let his personal preferences get in the way of professionalism sometimes,imo.
I have but I don’t read the Ring. I don’t like the Ring. It is conflicted as a result of being owned by Golden Boy. But I’ll take a look at him now that you peaked my interest.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Fischer he stays pretty impartial.
Like i said it’s his stance on Mayweather and Valero that puts me off him a bit.
by Matt Mosley on Mar 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even get me started on his Valero man-crush.It gets worse by the week in his mailbag section.
Fischer will be telling us Valero will KO both Klitshcko’s soon.
Last time i read,he reckoned Valero comes out on top handily from the 140 group of Bradley,Alexander,Khan.Maidana,etc.Every serious boxing fan knows that set of fights would be very hard to call,much like the Super6 is.
I had to stop reading after his Valero love letters just became too much.
What is it with this guy??Is he on the payroll or what?
DRMULLEN
Baldamir was a bum. Oscar damn near beat floyd. Hatton was almost ko’d in the 12th by collazo…wanna hear Packy going Wacky on top fighters?
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 7:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
Uncle Ted, please get outta bed. Wah! Wah! Wah!
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 7:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
OK, I’m out and ready to rock and roll.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN
I got Leviathan MXHDW Style…rollin’ with Richard Crenna, GOD Bless Mr Crenna I really miss his acting. Peter Robo-Cop Weller.. Meg Foster, Ernie Hudson, Amanda Pays who? Hector Elizondo…etc….interesting fact, was a Rap beat bouts Robo-cop in the late 1980s..
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 8:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
Watched the Cake Eaters earlier. Kristen Stewart did a great job as a teen who is dying from a degenerative disease, but first she wants to experience sex. Sad movie. Nite cats !
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 29, 2010 8:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So a question here...
Not for nothing, but I’m seeing people comment here that Mosley’s age will be contribute the most to his defeat. Make no mistake, I do think it’d be a factor, and the way I see it, Mosley is the number 1, 2, or 3 welterweight and number 3, 4, or 5 pound-for-pound… but would people count that as an excuse?
I don’t think of it as an excuse. It’s just a reality. Shane Mosley is a very old welterweight, and just plain old for a boxer. It’s not the only factor though. I think the style matchup has always favored Mayweather, but Father Time isn’t helping Shane’s cause.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Not an excuse. Just a factor—one of many. His ring age is different from his actual age. That’s the point. He has been in with some real rugged opponents and has taken some heavy shots.
Ring age is the key when it comes to age.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
That was meant for Fj-3
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Shane’s style isn’t exactly the kind you grow old gracefully with. The reason we all know Shane has such a hard chin is because we’ve seen so many guys try to chop it off.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
It's been a year since Mosley KO'd Margo,
and about the only similarity between Floyd and Margo is they both piss standing up, although Antonio’s proven to be a bit of a sheila so who knows?. Shane has a great trainer – wonder if he’s been sparring with Bernard? – get him aquainted with those feints and shoulder rolls Ted mentioned. Mosley will go at him hard but Floyd has that versatility and under-rated toughness. Always thought at 130 Shane would’ve had him but that was then.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Richardson will work on SSM’s positives and remid him (Shane) what they are and how they should be used, but I doubt he will teach him any NEW tricks. By his own admission, that’s not what he does. He takes solid fighters and makes little adjustments to make them more solid. IMO
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll go with Roger as the better trainer in this PARTICULAR fight. He knows his man much better than Richardsin knows his. He also knows how to prepare his man for a fight. Very underrated trainer due to the fact he is so weird.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Really?
I never thought I’d see anyone say that. Roger Mayweather over Nazim Richardson? Wow.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Read the post, Chaos. “I’ll go with Roger as the better trainer in this PARTICULAR fight..” Nazeem, who I know pretty well, is a great adjuster, but he does not change fightes all that much. He won’t do much with SSM. As for Roger being a solid trainer, 40-0 speaks for itself.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
change fighters
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
As for Roger being a solid trainer, 40-0 speaks for itself.
Wes Ferguson speaks for Roger, too. Roger is Enzo Calzaghe except he can’t even claim to have really molded the young Floyd the way Enzo molded Joe. And Roger has less success apart from his one great fighter, too. Roger and Floyd are a great team, but I think mostly they work so well simply because they get along very well and don’t get in each others hair. Happy familiarity and easy comfort is underrated with trainer/fighter duos. Floyd could train himself at this point so long as someone else knows that pad routine he does for “24/7.”
I honestly don’t see the trainers being a factor at all in this fight, other than to say that Naazim is better than Mosley’s dad would be in the same spot.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
other than to say that Naazim is better than Mosley’s dad would be in the same spot.
I think you could say that about a lot of guys.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
most guys
But Shane’s dad was the guy in the corner before Naazim, so that’s why I made that comparison.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was in SSM’S CORNER IN THE mARGO SLAUGHTER? WAS IT HIS DAD, JACK?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
NO!
It was Naz.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Wow. That was a great difference indeed. He looked slow and sloppy against a slow and sloppy Mayorga until he sent him to Matadore Dreamland. Naz did indeed make a diffrence in the Margo fight. Points taken.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Naazim does not f**k around in the dressing room. It isn’t politics time for him, and he isn’t hobnobbing or chitchatting or muggin for a camera. He is like Kojak, and he’s in there for a goddamn purpose. That’s the guy I’d want in my corner.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Yes, he is all business. He is very old school and does not play head games.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He saved Mosley from a beating that night.
He had his guy’s back. That is the entire point of a second, and he epitomizes it. All the way pro. People make too much sometimes of the Trinidad handwraps, but you still want someone like Richardson on the case, watching every move like a hawk. Even if he is being a bastard, he is being a bastard in your interests. Good stuff.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Vey true. You know, once that bell rings, there are not too many people who can save you from disaster. It’s also one of the reasons you want the best referee you can get. I have seen corners let their man down at a terrible cost—terrible and tragic. What part of white flag did they not get? Hell, you essentially put your life in the hands of your corner and the referee. Nazeem is one to have in your corner.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Corner's who let their fighter down...
harry joe yorgey vs angulo comes to mind
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 30, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Jack Lowe was it not?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It was. And if memory serves, Loewe took over as his trainer to specifically train him for that fight.
I’m not going to lay the whole thing on Jack there. Yorgey is a very tough guy, but not really physically gifted in speed is an understatement. But still, the idea of calling in Jack Loew to prepare for a big fight is a little insane. And the idea of Loew matching wits with Naazeem Richardson in Hopkins-Pavlik was like Bill Parcells taking on a Pop Warner coach in Giants Stadium. He hit the lotto when Pavlik walked into his gym.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
big time $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the guy was dead meat for a good 3 minutes before the massive KO. it shouldve been stopped before the 3rd round even started. the thing i remember most about it was harold screaming that the entire commission fucked up
Texans 19-0 in 2010-2011 season PERIOD
by battle axe of doom on Mar 30, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The worse I have seen in many years was when Golden Johnsion fought Oscar Diaz. That was awful. Diaz should never have come back after that one and when he did, we all know what happened. A tragic tale.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Mayorga fight…that was bizarre. I mean Shane’s never been great at 154 and we all know that. The fact that he even did pretty well up there is a testament to his talent and his toughness. But the Mayorga fight was tough to figure because in spurts he was Shane Mosley, doing to bum Mayorga what you’d expect, and other rounds he looked like he was completely lost. The only reason that fight was close was Mosley all but giving some rounds away because he didn’t look like he knew what to do.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a very sytrange one indeed. However, that last left hook was (with a nod to Chaos) simply malefic.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
strange
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
One quality Mosley has is that he is a real killer in there when he has a man hurt. He goes after him like a Chicago cop goe after a hippie. No mercy whatsover. Some of his KOs have been savage affairs.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I am with you on that. Shane has the killer instinct. When he smells blood he is a dangerous guy. But he can also get lulled into a rhythm.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Yeah, Mosley’s a finisher. I’ve always said that Mosley fights like a Mexican — there’s a very typical “Mexican warrior” quality to the way Shane Mosley fights. His instinct after getting hit is to hit back as hard and fast as possible, and when he smells blood he’s going for the kill.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Great exchange, mates. Time to set up my trades for tomorrow. I can’t keep up with young guys the way I used to.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers Ted
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Thanks, buddy, After January, every day I wake up is a day I am ahead.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, that was Naazim. Their first fight together. Enormous difference between that fight and Shane’s last with Jack, which was the Mayorga bout. Shane and Jack were clearly not on the same page. They weren’t even in the same book that night.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe you were just making a point…
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
or that
Although I don’t know what that point would be.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The amazing thing Nazeem Richardson is that he had a stroke but worked through it. He is a very humble and religious man with a great following in Philly among the younger set. His son, Rock Allen, is a decent fighter as well.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Nazim Richardson over Roger Mayweather any day of the week, AND the day after.
Let’s talk about what Cotto and Mosley did differently against Margarito. Both outsped him, both hit him with some really nasty stuff, both looked like they couldn’t lose against the bigger but slower Margarito.
The difference? Cotto went first. Had Shane been in there with Toni that night I firmly believe Toni beats him too, and then that Cotto dismantles Toni straight after. Why? Because of the gameplan laid out in the first fight.
Cotto punched straight down the tubes, landing over and over again on the chin of Toni. Some of those shots made ME wince watching them. HE was unloading on Toni, knocking the fucking hell out of him, but it still couldn’t deter him.
So what did Mosley do differently? He listened to Nazim Richardson, who told him not to punch straight, not to hit Toni on the chin. Move sideways rather than backward and forward, and punch round corners. Mosley didn’t hit Toni on the chin until the 8th round, I think it was, and by then Toni’s head had been snapped round so many times he thought he was watching Wimbledon. Punching him to the temple was disorienting him, making him dizzy, and affecting his balance.
I wrote on here before about the difference between punch resistance and great ‘chin’, and this was a prime example. (Another was Andrade, who Bute could have whacked with a crowbar and it wouldn’t have bothered him until the fight was taken out of him elsewhere.) Nazim Richardson saw a way of proving this distinction, of giving Mosley a target to aim for that made Margarito human again despite that fucking granite chin.
The gameplan was flawless, and that was Nazim Richardson. He took a deservedly heavy underdog, and made him the welterweight champion.
Now, let’s have a quick look at Bernard Hopkins and his last legitimate fight. Remember that again, Bernard was a 4/1 underdog vs Pavlik, and the question seemed to be when Kelly would win, not whether or not he would.
So, how did we all see the fight going? I know that all the people I spoke to saw it as a chase-fest, with Pavlik going after Hopkins and Nard running backward until Kelly could land that big right hand…..
Instead, Nazim told Bernard not to take a backward step, to rely on superior head movement and hand-speed to hit without getting hit while going forward rather than backward. Within the first three rounds Pavlik knew this fight wasn’t going to go the way he’d envisioned, he was disillusioned, disheartened and practically beaten already. I say all this as a Kelly Pavlik fan, too.
Bernard put on the masterclass, there can be no doubt of that. However, there is no way in the blue fuck that Hopkins decided to do that on his own. That was a Nazim Richardson gameplan all over: Use the biggest strength/weakness disparity between you and your opponent in your favor. With Mosley it was lateral movement and speed combined with punching to one specific target area, and with Bernard it was hand-speed and elusive forward movement (because although we all suspected Pavlik doesn’t fight well going backwards, Hopkins proved it for us) combined with the element of surprise.
Both guys took the fight to a guy they were expected to be chased down by, both guys were heavy underdogs, given little to no chance by most of us on here and by boxing in general. Both guys were given a gameplan by Nazim Richardson, and both of them thoroughly dominated their opponents on the way to handing out some serious lessons in how to win boxing matches.
On the other hand, Roger has to work with Floyd, who has made it his business to not go in with a guy we don’t already know he’s going to beat. All Floyd has had to do in recent fights is be Floyd, and I think even Jack Loew couldn’t have fucked that training job up.
When Roger Mayweather takes a prohibitive underdog and shows them a way to win a fight that they shouldn’t by rights be able to win, then I’ll start to give him some more respect. Guiding Floyd to a boring points win over JMM doesn’t quite cut it.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Hmm, what about guiding Floyd to win, boring or otherwise, over Mosley? Keep in mind here, we (I) am only talking about this PARTICULAR fight. I might well agree with you on others—-might, but this is about PBF vs. SSM.
I am a great believer in symbiosis as an intangible in a guy’s trainer and in his corner. PBF and his uncle have that. Not sure SSM and The good Brother do.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But good post.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why thank you. :)
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
:)
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I satnd by my words about Roger, who by the way, was a a pretty fine boxer.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Stand-typo-ugh
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a hell of a fighter. I like Roger as a trainer just fine (and he’s also way, way smarter than he sometimes lets on). But I don’t quite consider him one of the very best trainers. I do think that of Naazim.
Bad Left Hook
"To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day..."
by Scott Christ on Mar 29, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I go a step further and say he is one of the top five cornermen of all time. Going into the fight of my life, it’s hard to think of a guy I’d rather have running my corner.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
I'll second that jrok
Brother Naazim lays it down between rounds, reads a fight and relays it to his fighter calmly and intelligently like few can. I love to watch him go to work and yeah he’s the guy I’d want waiting in the corner.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
THIS ^^^
I should have said this. This is a massive part of what I mean.
Now, Tweek, boxing is a Man sport. There is nothing in the world more Man than boxing. It is Man at his most Man. So when you spar with Ned here, just dig deep into that most Man part of you. (Uncle Jimbo, South Park: Tweek vs Craig)
Naz, I mean. Not Roger.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Roger is reasonably calm in there, though he is somewhat hard to understand. Mfo this and mofo that gets old. But as Chaos said, he really doesn’t hvave to do much with PBF.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
symbiosis is very important.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant for SC
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Mosley is certainly not in his prime. If he loses to Floyd you’ve got to figure that people will claim age was the key factor. To a degree, that will be accurate. But I don’t know that the WW Mosley would have ever beaten Floyd. As Goatsnake said, at the lighter weights I could see Shane getting to Floyd, as Mosley was insanely quick then. But the 38 Mosley is a different fighter; still ferocious, but not as razor sharp.
I agree
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
8-5 right now
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Mayweather is all wrong for Mosley, old or not
But maybe that’s just me. Mayweather fights too cute for Mosley to deal with.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Floyd v Shane
Nice read as always “Da Bull” and nice to see you are back on form mate , i see this shaping up into a snoozer as well , this should like you stated have happened a few years earlier than it is ,lil Floyd in a dull UD imo , Ps hello to all of you, ( i see some of the crazy gang defected) lol . Regards Josey
Hey Josey, great to see you on BLH
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A very big hello to Wales’ premier poster and top fella to boot – Mr Wales .
Hope all is well mate ? You’d like it here . No rabid dogs allowed .
Nice One .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Or morons who have puckerd “you know what” and panties in a bucnh.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
Shout out to Ray Gordon Reid , the Southerney Sheriff rides again .
by Sir Jack Daniels on Mar 29, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't
judge what Shane has left on the Margo fight.
I believe the mind will be wiling, but. ….
Correct
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Breakdown Ted
Good Morning Ted , blokes. I actually reckon its in Moselys’ best interest to make it a boring fight unfortunately . He has to basically use De La Hoyas tactic of jabbing , jabbing , jabbing for say the first 6 or 7 rounds and he has to extremely disciplined. Floyd isnt a natural attacker so the idea is to give him absolutely nothing and frustrate him until he has to take risks. Its no coincidence Junior has never faced a prime, tall, FAST boxer with a razor jab ala a young Vernon Forrest . Its very difficult if not impossible to fight off the back foot and beat a great jabber , look at King Pin Johnson v Klitschko . The other thing is Floyds lack of hard fights , how mentally prepared for a close hard fight is he? All that said Ted’s on the money and Floyd is the obvious fave being 6 years younger. I’m with Goaty ‘Id have backed the 135 pound version of Shane to beat Mayweather 9 times out of ten . He had a great style to give Floyd hell. Floyds record isnt exactly full of very fast handed , heavy fisted blokes that are naturally stronger than him and in their primes . I haven’t quite made up my mind on this one but at this stage Floyd is obviously the fave. Cheers Fellas .
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me. " Hunter S Thompson.
Good stuff mate
I like your jab strategy. It’ll be interesting to see whether Shane has developed that jab into more of a shotgun as opposed to the rapid fire pistol he normally brings to the ring.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
BTW
you were pretty bloody close with Dirrell – maybe I’ll just send you a six pack!
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
Hi JC
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 29, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
DRMULLEN
In my opinion everything points to mayweather winning a ud. but if mosley has one of those nites like against margs, this fight would very interesting..
DRMULLEN
I Learned Mate. what in the heck is a Bloke???
You're a top bloke Doc.
"Anytime you go thirty rounds with a guy, try to kill each other, and have the utmost respect for each other, no one understands that, but guys who have been to war understand it." - Micky Ward on Arturo Gatti.
A bloke is a man
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
as in mates
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
or buddies or dogs
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
From web, Doc
Bloke is a British slang term for a man, also commonly used in Ireland, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Bloke is good, Doc
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the welcome
Nice one lads great to see some quality "Faces " Here ,Let’s hope Shane can do himself justice in this fight . Ps Goaty & JC Ya mad pair of buggers i see Tua v Friday on um wednesday shaping up into a decent affair .
Yes, we have used a special filter process invented by Don from Prov to strain out some of the imbeciles. Wish T-Bone, bikermike, etc would get on here. They get frustrated by the registration process which usually means they don’t acknowledge the confirmation link.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers to Josey Wales. Good to see you on here, finally.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
And cheers to Goatie as well.
"Boxing is the only sport you can get your brain shook, your money took and your name in the undertaker book"
-- Joe Frazier
Yeah and Rabdy Loathsome is on as well. Wow! Talk about legends.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We have our own good posters too you know....
I’m just saying ;-)
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 30, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no intent to seperate new posters from old ones. None whatsoever. I think it’s a great thing that we are getting a lot of the better ones from ESB, They would not be here if they did not think this was a quality place to be and the reason it is a quality place to be is because of the posters. I engage with the old posters just as much as I do with the new ones. No difference in my mind whatsoever. WE ARE ALL POSTERS ON BLH, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus jrok is a legend on both sites.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't being entirely serious
Of course I’m happy to see a lot of new posters here.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Peace DC
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN
Bloke, can make you broke. Things go better with coke…wink.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 30, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
Messing around. Bloke, means Man. On later chaps.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 30, 2010 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
MOSLEY vS MAYWEATHER
Ted, nice article mate. This Mosley Vs Mayweather is the fight of the year . 2 Great fighters who have dominated World Boxing for a long time. I will go with Mosley to win this one & Mayweather to have his first loss.
This Weekend , I’m tipping Jones to beat Hopkins.
Cheers Buddy.
by AUSSIE VLADIMIR on Mar 30, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
Vlad, you will oe me some nice you know what, mate.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN
Got two and a half men rollin’ funny stuff. Martin was a very funny show.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 31, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
Uncle Ted, no Gambling !
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 31, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
8-5 RIGHT NOW, BUT SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS WE GET CLOSER TO mAY 1.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN
Mosley vs Mayweather and Jones vs Hops the winners are……ha I never get a cut.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 31, 2010 12:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
Yeah, eastersideboxing forums is slowly going down hill. One freak said Lampley got a big weiner. Bang! Bang! Bang!
by DRMULLEN2010 on Mar 31, 2010 12:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
What freak was it, Doc?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
spelling test
I am now on Mozilla. I will no longer make spelling errors as Mozilla has an automatic spell check.
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Mar 31, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Mozilla is king
Barely related but amusing picture:
I wouldn’t be suprised if Pac turned out to be the incredible hulk in a very good disguise. - Sigidy
by Drunken cutman on Mar 31, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
DRMULLEN
Prehaps it was Jim himself. Who else seen his pecker?
by DRMULLEN2010 on Apr 1, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
DRMULLEN
The Expendables, looks nuts. Sly, arnold, that crack dude Jason, Jet Li, Mickey Rourke, it goes on and on with the actors.
by DRMULLEN2010 on Apr 1, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
how are you Doc?
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Mozilla Rules
"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant"
---Vernon Forrest 2006
by The Midnight Rambler on Apr 1, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
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